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Sadly it seems I have to put this up yet again. Any of the following types of posts will be met with immediate bans:

Imbalance whine/Player bashing/Caster bashing/Stream complaining/Off topic arguing.

Stick to the games and enjoy the event and its free services and coverage.
wbirdy
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Singapore335 Posts
June 20 2011 14:16 GMT
#5381
MIND GAMES OMFG
become legendary
Arccotangent
Profile Joined October 2010
519 Posts
June 20 2011 14:17 GMT
#5382
Oh shit, so close on the scan
"Taste the zombie's drug, now you want more."
youngminii
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Australia7514 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-20 14:17:39
June 20 2011 14:17 GMT
#5383
On June 20 2011 23:16 youngminii wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 20 2011 23:15 youngminii wrote:
On June 20 2011 23:14 youngminii wrote:
On June 20 2011 23:13 youngminii wrote:
On June 20 2011 23:12 youngminii wrote:
On June 20 2011 23:12 youngminii wrote:
On June 20 2011 23:10 youngminii wrote:
On June 20 2011 23:10 youngminii wrote:
On June 20 2011 23:08 youngminii wrote:
On June 20 2011 23:07 youngminii wrote:
[quote]
4:30
Bomber sends his proxy Rax back into his ramp and then takes both his gas before starting a CC. July taking his own Hatch.

6:00
Bomber gets a Tech Lab on that Factory instead of making a Starport, starts siege tech. July making a Roach Warren.

8:00
Bomber gets his natural set up. July starts a Lair and moving out with just a few Roaches.

9:00
July just begins a Spire, still on two bases though, a Baneling Next with Burrow tech too. Bomber supply blocked for a good half minute or so.

11:00
July starts a third at the bottom right base. July starts production of 8 Mutalisks, Bomber doing a little drop at July's third and Bomber sieges up in the middle but July just sneaks in a ton of Lings inside July's base.

12:30
Bomber just leaves the Lings in his base and goes for a base trade.

13:00
July burrowing Banelings around inside his base and building a ton of Spine Crawlers around his base.

14:30
Bomber stabilises in his base and two of the burrowed banelings take out a few Marines. July's Zerglings and Mutalisks clean up Bomber's entire army.

15:14
Bomber asks for a pause.

16:30
Bomber's in a good defensive position, completely walled off with a few Barracks and Supply Depots. July starts his natural expansion again. The supplies are 52 for July against 61 of Bomber.

17:00
Bomber just moves back from Baneling landmines. He nearly scans it but they kill a good number of units anyway.
lalala
Sanguinarius
Profile Joined January 2010
United States3427 Posts
June 20 2011 14:17 GMT
#5384
i LOVE burrowed banelings!
Your strength is just an accident arising from the weakness of others -Heart of Darkness
Sarang
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Australia2363 Posts
June 20 2011 14:17 GMT
#5385
ohhhhh shit that was so unlucky, just barely missed the banelings T^T
"Killer helped me feel better before coming to the arena. He told me to say that." - Bomber
MrCon
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
France29748 Posts
June 20 2011 14:17 GMT
#5386
Raven ?
Drazerk
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United Kingdom31255 Posts
June 20 2011 14:17 GMT
#5387
Just got back to see a ton of marines die - what is going on in this game lol
Naphal
Profile Joined December 2010
Germany2099 Posts
June 20 2011 14:17 GMT
#5388
pls make a raven bomber TT
Jampackedeon
Profile Joined November 2010
United States2053 Posts
June 20 2011 14:17 GMT
#5389
Lag spikes all over the game for me, sheesh. Even on 360.
clazzi
Profile Joined June 2011
Japan122 Posts
June 20 2011 14:18 GMT
#5390
July is actually spreading cheep madness.
Badfatpanda
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States9719 Posts
June 20 2011 14:18 GMT
#5391
another suicide play? lolwut?
Music is a higher revelation than all wisdom and philosophy. -Beethoven | Mech isn't a build, it's a way of life. -MajOr | Charlie.Sheen: "What is sarcastic, kids who have no courage to fight?" | #TerranPride #yolo #swag -Naama after 2-0'ing MC at HSC VI
nihlon
Profile Joined April 2010
Sweden5581 Posts
June 20 2011 14:18 GMT
#5392
On June 20 2011 23:17 MrCon wrote:
Raven ?

NEVER!!
Banelings are too cute to blow up
Chessz
Profile Joined August 2010
United States644 Posts
June 20 2011 14:18 GMT
#5393
On June 20 2011 23:15 ChickenLips wrote:
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On June 20 2011 23:06 Kala23 wrote:
On June 20 2011 22:55 ChickenLips wrote:
On June 20 2011 22:44 Xception704 wrote:
On June 20 2011 22:36 ChickenLips wrote:
On June 20 2011 22:35 daxile wrote:
so many moon doubters, where are you now ^^?


Here I am, he went for extremely cheesy strategies in all 3 games and Bomber played right into his hands.


Wow are you serious.

1. Bomber goes 2 port banshee all-in first game and gets lucky.
2. Moon beats Bomber in a straight-up macro game in game 2.
3. Bomber plays like shit in game 3 and gets straight up raped by Moon.

1 + 2 + 3 = Moon went for extremely cheesy strategies .......?????

Don't be mad you lost money. Bomber was the cheesy one this series and Moon took advantage. I don't even like Moon (nor do I dislike him) but you're post is so full of shit; it's like you didn't even watch the game.


1. Baneling bust instead of teching to muta which is the correct response to 2 port banshee
2. Baneling bust, which got him a 30 drone lead, that he decided to drag out into a 37 minute game
3. Pure roach against Terran ... Need I say more? Had Bomber not suicided ALL his units into the fog of war + creep he would've won 100%.


1. According to Who ? Moon's reaction worked well until he underestimated mass banshees.
2. So you aren't allowed to respond to 3 CC Builds with some aggression (while having 3 bases and 40+ drones)
3. Moon responded to what he thought would be blue flame hellions.
Moon then brilliantly intercepted the tank marine force and denied Bomber the time to siege up and inch foward. Even if bomber had been more careful, counter drops in bombers base (4-8 roaches) probably would have won it too


1. According to any competent Zerg that has played against 2 base banshee on ladder a couple of times
2. He had exactly 31 drones when he started blindly massing lings. He didn't know that Bomber switched his Factory around 2 times and had no siege when the attack comes and he didn't know that Bomber had 3 CCs, get your facts straight if you're gonna discuss strategy.
3. BRILLiANTLY INTERCEPTED THE TANK FORCE

More like Bomber not clearing the watchtowers and then blindly walking all of his stuff onto creep. You should've seen Bomber's positioning before he moved out, he had 3 tanks on the high ground, that drop would've been denied hardcore. 2 Base Roach dies comically to 2 base Tank Marine



dude, you fail, stop. Accept that the better player, for this match, won. Because that's what happened.

lets focus on this july vs bomber craziness!
Fyzar
Profile Joined January 2011
Netherlands8010 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-20 14:19:18
June 20 2011 14:18 GMT
#5394
I'm wondering ChickenLips, what are you trying to prove? Do you genuinely believe Moon is a bad player? Or is it just that you are a fan of Bomber and didn't expect him to get knocked out by Moon?
Or are you just arguing for the sake of arguing?
It appears I have been chosen.
yamato77
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
11589 Posts
June 20 2011 14:18 GMT
#5395
Bomber helping Blizzard's case for choosing banelings over lurkers as space controlling cloaked units for Zerg.
Writer@WriterYamato
starcraft911
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
Korea (South)1263 Posts
June 20 2011 14:18 GMT
#5396
Every time i see burrowed banelings I wonder why no raven. easily wortht he cost.
FinnGamer
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Germany2426 Posts
June 20 2011 14:18 GMT
#5397
Bomber is so Paranoid
"hopefully swing the favor in your advantage." - Day[9]
Jyvblamo
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
Canada13788 Posts
June 20 2011 14:18 GMT
#5398
Ouch losing all the tanks and having to retreat.
youngminii
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Australia7514 Posts
June 20 2011 14:18 GMT
#5399
On June 20 2011 23:17 youngminii wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 20 2011 23:16 youngminii wrote:
On June 20 2011 23:15 youngminii wrote:
On June 20 2011 23:14 youngminii wrote:
On June 20 2011 23:13 youngminii wrote:
On June 20 2011 23:12 youngminii wrote:
On June 20 2011 23:12 youngminii wrote:
On June 20 2011 23:10 youngminii wrote:
On June 20 2011 23:10 youngminii wrote:
On June 20 2011 23:08 youngminii wrote:
[quote]
6:00
Bomber gets a Tech Lab on that Factory instead of making a Starport, starts siege tech. July making a Roach Warren.

8:00
Bomber gets his natural set up. July starts a Lair and moving out with just a few Roaches.

9:00
July just begins a Spire, still on two bases though, a Baneling Next with Burrow tech too. Bomber supply blocked for a good half minute or so.

11:00
July starts a third at the bottom right base. July starts production of 8 Mutalisks, Bomber doing a little drop at July's third and Bomber sieges up in the middle but July just sneaks in a ton of Lings inside July's base.

12:30
Bomber just leaves the Lings in his base and goes for a base trade.

13:00
July burrowing Banelings around inside his base and building a ton of Spine Crawlers around his base.

14:30
Bomber stabilises in his base and two of the burrowed banelings take out a few Marines. July's Zerglings and Mutalisks clean up Bomber's entire army.

15:14
Bomber asks for a pause.

16:30
Bomber's in a good defensive position, completely walled off with a few Barracks and Supply Depots. July starts his natural expansion again. The supplies are 52 for July against 61 of Bomber.

17:00
Bomber just moves back from Baneling landmines. He nearly scans it but they kill a good number of units anyway.

19:00
Bomber now moving with a huge army towards July's base. Both players engage but July's Banelings all get killed. The Tanks get killed off though so Bomber has to retreat.
lalala
PartyBiscuit
Profile Joined September 2010
Canada4525 Posts
June 20 2011 14:18 GMT
#5400
On June 20 2011 23:12 sc2guy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 20 2011 22:58 shizna wrote:
On June 20 2011 22:37 shikheh wrote:
On June 20 2011 22:36 shizna wrote:
i didn't want to say anything before, but bomber was hugely disappointing in this tournament.

i didn't see anything special. he's like julyzerg but terran. very aggressive and solid play, but so risky and cocky - cheese/hidden expo etc. consistantly disappointing even from his first group match, definitely not deserving of winning the tournament.


mana and happy could have beaten him in the group stages with a bit of luck.



You have got to be kidding me.

Is that why all the korean players in GSL are so scared of him?

Give me a break.


obviously he's a good player. but his demonstration of skill at dreamhack summer has been lacking.

i can't recall a single series in this tournament that bomber won through simply outclassing his opponent.

look at his first game versus happy on xel'naga caverns. happy's skill was easily on the level of bomber, but unfortunately happy failed to spot the hidden expo which cost him the game (and similar in game2 plus the cheese).

in the final game against MC, he won because MC was trying too hard to get the experimental archon composition right from the start. hence the mass zealots and almost skipping colossus, such a fragile build in PvT because you need sentry to survive but that makes your zealots weak as hell. bomber just went standard and practically won with an a-move.


players like MC, MMA, nestea and MVP look so good. you can tell it's them because of insanely good decision making, control and taking 'unusual' strategies and making them insanely good.

bomber's decision making looks sloppy.


> i didn't see anything special.
You look but you didn't see.

> i can't recall a single series in this tournament that bomber won through simply outclassing his opponent.
You did not follow him enough. Please refer to GSTL season where he all-kill the OGS

> mana and happy could have beaten him in the group stages with a bit of luck.
Echoing 'shikheh' sentiments, are you kidding?

> obviously he's a good player. but his demonstration of skill at dreamhack summer has been lacking.
I will agree to some extent since he lost afterall.

> in the final game against MC, he won because MC was trying too hard to get the experimental archon composition right from the start.
Luckily this is just your own observation.

> players like MC, MMA, nestea and MVP look so good. you can tell it's them because of insanely good decision making, control and taking 'unusual' strategies and making them insanely good.
MMA is currently not the same league as MC, nestea and MVP. Another flawed observation. MMA has alot of potential, but still 1 level below.

> bomber's decision making looks sloppy
That is why he lost, but it is only in this tournament. Please watch MVP vs Bomber Code A final.



People need to take a step back from auto-defending. OP is only saying that Bomber has been disappointing in THIS tournament.

He has. Watching most of his series, his Happy match and his MC matches were good, but so much of his play has been sloppy and inconsistent in THIS tournament for the guy with the #1 ELO in Korea. Compare this to say MMA in MLG or MC (in most of his foreigner runs) where they simply dominate and truly outclass.
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