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Sadly it seems I have to put this up yet again. Any of the following types of posts will be met with immediate bans:
Imbalance whine/Player bashing/Caster bashing/Stream complaining/Off topic arguing.
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i dont like this 
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On June 20 2011 21:31 Moonwrath wrote:Show nested quote +On June 20 2011 21:29 TheHova wrote:On June 20 2011 21:27 Imres wrote:On June 20 2011 21:24 TheHova wrote:On June 20 2011 21:15 Zyphen wrote:On June 20 2011 21:09 TheHova wrote:On June 20 2011 21:03 ChickenLips wrote:On June 20 2011 21:00 Jampackedeon wrote:On June 20 2011 20:53 CaptainTwig wrote:On June 20 2011 20:48 ChickenLips wrote:
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Yeah and it isn't about nationality but practice environment / scene.
People like iNcontroL and IdrA have been spouting nonsense like "Korea isn't the place to be"
Bullshit.
Yeah if you wanna feast on the scraps and be a B-class player, stay in the US or wherever, but if you wanna take the big tournies and be the best player you can be there is absolutely no alternative to going to Korea. Couldn't have put it better my friend. If us non-koreans ever establish anything close to the training/tournament system they have set-up. I might start taking iNcontrols, IdrA, demuslim etc comments seriously. This is just silly, InControl and the whole EG team have said that they really want to ramp up their practice schedule and will be creating their own team house to achieve a Korean-like regiment for the next MLG. Clearly they think that style of practicing has value. HOWEVER, what InControl and Idra were actually saying is that the TOURNAMENT scene of Korea isn't worth it because of the lack of tournaments and time commitment per payoff. The west has tons of cash up and way better opportunity for the team to do well and attract attention to them and their sponsors. Try to not misquote people when you have your axe to grind. Well, that's actually bullshit as well. If you look at the Korean vs Foreigner winnings statistics, Koreans have won far far more. And also it isn't just about playing the game and winning as much as possible as soon as possible. None of the US players are at the peak of their skill, they should go to Korea and get good. Once they feel that a skill plateau is incoming they can go to the West to take down the lesser tournies (which also pay out way less) Because it's that easy. Goodbye family and friends, whole lifestyle, bills, commitments/dependents, culture, girlfriend if i have one, country i love... etc etc... I'm just gonna drop everything and move over to a country where i don't speak a word of the spoken language and try and compete for 1 tournament. It will for a long time probably cost me more money than i make but what the hell, there's a chance i might be better for it so it's worth the risk. Well, Huk's investment just gave him a shot at winning Dreamhack so it's not just 1 tournament. There's nothing stopping people from taking the skills they acquire and competing in foreign tournaments. Think of it as a future investment in tournament winnings. Look at Idra. You think he would be doing as well as he does without the time and effort he put in while in Korea? He's basically been living off his training disparity for his entire SC2 career. He only needs 3 hours to maintain his edge over other foreigners. And now he just wants the easy money instead of continuing his quest to be the best. Yes, it is a investment that could pay off. But for some people, it's an investment they cannot do. For plenty of reasons like the ones i mentioned earlier. And there isn't even a guarantee you'll be better for it either. Ret went to Korea in BW a fantastic player but it didn't suit his lifestyle at all, and he didn't really improve. You can't just say 'If you want to be good you've got no choice but to go to Korea and if you don't. You have no ambition and just want the easy money.' Because that's just a ridiculous statement. I've been in competitive gaming for a long time now, played against the likes of NiP in CS and i'm in GM in SCII plus been to a ton of lans. During those i've met and spoken to a ton of Pro Gamers (Such as SeleCT from SCII <3).And in every genre the one thing every player i've met and spoken to has in common that is at the top, is that they all want to be the best. It doesn't mean they'd all go to Korea though because for some, it just isn't possible. People who want to be the best will do what's needed to be the best. People who desire to be the best will just be top players. Ambition is nothing if you've no will. Okay, so for pro gamers that for example that have a family... Children, a wife or long term partner. Or a mortgage, or anything of that sort. Are you really suggesting they should leave all that behind to move to Korea? And if they don't it's because they no ambition/will to be good at the game? -____- There's a very large difference between wanting to be the best and wanting to be good at the game. If you want to be the best, you make sacrifices and devote everything to that end.
To an extent. With so much growth happening outside Korea, making so many sacrifices begins to border stupidity. Huk and Jinro have done well in Korea, they had the benefit of teamliquid establishing a pro house with one of the best Sc2 teams in Korea. I'm sure if there were more tournaments happening in Korea, more opportunities to play so that an early exit wouldn't mean zero games for the next 3 months, then a lot more foreigners would be interested. As it stands, moving to Korea probably isn't the best move for someone's career.
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sick BO by Bomber
1-0 Bomber
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On June 20 2011 21:37 Nivity wrote:
If moon wins vs bomber I think huk will win.
If bomber wins I think bomber will win the tournament.
This. BUt i dont see moon winning vs Bomber.
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On June 20 2011 21:33 GaryBrackett wrote:
HuK is definitely not the best foreigner.
After losing to HasuObs in the TSL
Sjow in the last Dreamhack
Getting destroyed by Idra in a favorable extended series at MLG
Getting beaten by Socke so many times.
Now he beats PredY (arguably easiest draw) then Socke (about time he beat Socke once) and July (okay ONE good result) and he's the best :S?
That's more than what any other foreigner has accomplished in any important LAN tournament -- the fact that he beat a top korean player in a Ro4 Bo3 series. None has done that till now... give it up for Huk he totally deserves it.
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On June 20 2011 21:37 Drazerk wrote:Show nested quote +On June 20 2011 21:37 Drazerk wrote:On June 20 2011 21:36 Drazerk wrote:On June 20 2011 21:36 Drazerk wrote:On June 20 2011 21:35 Drazerk wrote:On June 20 2011 21:35 Drazerk wrote:On June 20 2011 21:34 Drazerk wrote:On June 20 2011 21:34 Drazerk wrote:Its starting!  Bomber vs Moon  Game One starting on Terminus In the left is Moon While in the south is Bomber 1:10 Extractor trick 1:40 Barracks on the way for Bomber 2:10
Hatch first for Moon fast gas for Bomber 3:30 Gas then pool for moon 4:00 Factory and second gas on the way for Bomber 5:00 Double star port for Bomber Speed for Moon
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Evo chamber on the way
Double tech lab
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On June 20 2011 21:38 Drazerk wrote:Show nested quote +On June 20 2011 21:37 Drazerk wrote:On June 20 2011 21:37 Drazerk wrote:On June 20 2011 21:36 Drazerk wrote:On June 20 2011 21:36 Drazerk wrote:On June 20 2011 21:35 Drazerk wrote:On June 20 2011 21:35 Drazerk wrote:On June 20 2011 21:34 Drazerk wrote:On June 20 2011 21:34 Drazerk wrote:Its starting! Bomber vs Moon Game One starting on Terminus In the left is Moon While in the south is Bomber 1:10 Extractor trick 1:40 Barracks on the way for Bomber 2:10
Hatch first for Moon fast gas for Bomber 3:30 Gas then pool for moon 4:00 Factory and second gas on the way for Bomber 5:00 Double star port for Bomber Speed for Moon
5:45Evo chamber on the way Double tech lab
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Double banshee on the way
One spore for Moon
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That evo chamber is amazing game sense by Moon.
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Is it me,or this is one of the ugliest map to look at?I wish it had that scrap station texture terrain or anything else but not this green-puke-ish one.
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On June 20 2011 21:38 ChickenLips wrote:
sick BO by Bomber
1-0 Bomber
What ? 2 port with hellion/marine pressure ? seems pretty standart (and all inish :D)
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On June 20 2011 21:38 Fionn wrote:Show nested quote +On June 20 2011 21:35 GaryBrackett wrote:On June 20 2011 21:30 Fionn wrote:On June 20 2011 21:28 GaryBrackett wrote:
HuK beats PredY Socke and July and everyone thinks he's the best Foreigner?
Talk about a bandwagon. He's also in Code S, the highest caliber tournament in the world, and is on one of the top teams in the world with oGs. He's never made it out of the group stages in Code S. Hardly impressive. Being on a top team also doesn't make you good. Can you say that any other foreigner could make it out of the group stages? Making out of the group stages in Code S is amazingly difficult now. The player quality has risen amazingly in the past few months. Even players like MVP have fallen from Code S to Code A. MMA isn't even in Code S.
Well jinro have been in Code S Semi finals twice.
MVP fell down but facerolled to the finals in code-A to get back into code-s.
Showing mvp did not belong in code-a at all.
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On June 20 2011 21:37 ReacH. wrote:
Anyone else getting a ton of lag on the stream?
Yes, video lag and skipping.
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Looking back at MC's loss to Bomber on Crevasse, would he been better off massing more chargelots and colossi rather than tech to templars that early? maybe make the switch to templar around the time he was maxed out with zealots and colossi/stalker/sentry, and wait till after the first major engagement to warp some templars into archons in the re-maxing moments, along with more chargelots and templars for storm...
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That would be the most ballsy overlord if it made it out lol
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On June 20 2011 21:39 Drazerk wrote:Show nested quote +On June 20 2011 21:38 Drazerk wrote:On June 20 2011 21:37 Drazerk wrote:On June 20 2011 21:37 Drazerk wrote:On June 20 2011 21:36 Drazerk wrote:On June 20 2011 21:36 Drazerk wrote:On June 20 2011 21:35 Drazerk wrote:On June 20 2011 21:35 Drazerk wrote:On June 20 2011 21:34 Drazerk wrote:On June 20 2011 21:34 Drazerk wrote:Its starting! Bomber vs Moon Game One starting on Terminus In the left is Moon While in the south is Bomber 1:10 Extractor trick 1:40 Barracks on the way for Bomber 2:10
Hatch first for Moon fast gas for Bomber 3:30 Gas then pool for moon 4:00 Factory and second gas on the way for Bomber 5:00 Double star port for Bomber Speed for Moon
5:45Evo chamber on the way Double tech lab 6:30 Double banshee on the way One spore for Moon
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baneling nest finishing
More spores going up
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On June 20 2011 21:34 Imres wrote:Show nested quote +On June 20 2011 21:30 RubiksCube wrote:On June 20 2011 21:28 Imres wrote:On June 20 2011 21:26 Ysellian wrote:On June 20 2011 21:15 Imres wrote:On June 20 2011 21:12 Ysellian wrote:On June 20 2011 21:09 Imres wrote:On June 20 2011 21:08 Ysellian wrote:On June 20 2011 21:06 Imres wrote:On June 20 2011 21:04 samaNo4 wrote:
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Do you see the sprints nad rythm changes where he breaks the defence? It's a product from La Masia.
yep, seems that drugs are better in Spain than in other countries nowadays (joking aside, it's a real problem in spanish sport, with a bigger extend than most of the other countries) So you believe Barcelona are doped?  Not disagreeing with you, but I think they just pay refs IMO XD Professionnal soccer is quite silly imo, there is like no control and so much money... Maybe we're going to see a lot of prematurate death in 20years ;D (surely) Indeed my love for the sport can't blind me from how horrible it has gotten lately. I love watching my childhood club fail time and time again (Feyenoord lol), but with even my beloved premiership falling to money Soccer/Football as a whole is starting to interest me less and less. I really hope the financial fairplay helps, but looking at the recent purchases by clubs I doubt it will. /off topic Didn't heard a lot about Feyenoord recently :/ Imo the recent purchases are just a reaction to the financial fairplay, last time that you can explode the chart. But anyway, FIFA/UEFA are fine with corruption( lol Qatar/Russia, brackets for the CL and so on) cause there is so much dirty money in soccer. The different agent and cie have such wierd contracts... no way that this is clean. /off topic But france is okay right? I think with all the different teams winning it must be incredibly fun to watch. /off topic No it's horrible. In fact there is 3 teams which have an offensive mindset, and 17 which consider that defense is the first step. Their is drama ect... because it's really okay, but the quality of the games >< /off topic All professional soccer is horrible because of no salary cap and teams just buying all the good players from diff. countries instead of investing into their own youth programs. :x /off topic. There is still nation matches, and Germany was great this last years 
/off topic: yeah the nations are fine because it all comes down to a homegrown talent pool, but the clubs need some sort of salary cap and quick.
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baneling from Moon and no DEFENSES
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