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On June 05 2011 11:12 StarStruck wrote:Show nested quote +On June 05 2011 11:11 StyLeD wrote:On June 05 2011 11:11 nam nam wrote:On June 05 2011 11:08 StyLeD wrote:On June 05 2011 11:06 redFF wrote:On June 05 2011 11:02 ffadicted wrote:
So at the end of championship pool play, final tally on Korea vs. The World (I've been keeping track since the start)
Moon: 3 - 2
MMA: 5 - 0
July: 4 - 0 (his loss was to a korean)
MC: 4 - 1
Losira: 5 - 0
Koreans: 21 - 3
If you take into account that Moon isn't even good enough for Code A, and that MC said he was extremely jet lagged against grack, I think we can end the argument here. The gap IS huge.
Korea FIGHTIN!! ^^; Well Moon is an average korean and he lost a bit. And the other 4 are without a doubt 4 of the very best players in Korea. If these guys were only playing 4 of the top top top foreigners e.g. IdrA, Thorzain, Nani and Whitera, I'm sure the results would be fairly balanced. The koreans are playing people who are not on their level and not the best the foreign scene have to offer. Ofcourse all of these code s calibre players are pwning random foreigners, but the best of the best are still fairly equal in my opinion. Uh, no. The foreigners you mentioned are the best of the best foreigners. The Koreans sent to MLG are 2nd tier (-MC) compared to the likes of MVP and especially Nestea. Nice try though... You calling July and Losira second tier? Second tier to MVP, Nestea, and MC, yes. You got to be joking. I think it is far too early to be saying such shit.
i dont think so...nestea and mc are fairly more consistant than both july and losira
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On June 05 2011 11:17 TofuFox wrote:Show nested quote +On June 05 2011 11:12 hugman wrote:
No one seems to be mentioning that Haypro actually got 2nd in his group
Unusually good performance from him! Yeah, Sweden seems to be doing some good for him. Also, his 2-1 loss to Losira was pretty close, if he had taken that ...
He also beat Terran hardcore.
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On June 05 2011 11:10 wei2coolman wrote:Show nested quote +On June 05 2011 11:06 Blasphemi wrote:On June 05 2011 11:05 wei2coolman wrote:On June 05 2011 11:02 ffadicted wrote:
So at the end of championship pool play, final tally on Korea vs. The World (I've been keeping track since the start)
Moon: 3 - 2
MMA: 5 - 0
July: 4 - 0 (his loss was to a korean)
MC: 4 - 1
Losira: 5 - 0
Koreans: 21 - 3
If you take into account that Moon isn't even good enough for Code A, and that MC said he was extremely jet lagged against grack, I think we can end the argument here. The gap IS huge.
Korea FIGHTIN!! ^^; Quit making excuses for Koreans. Freaking hate this. First its the server lags from cross country, then MLG decides to fly Koreans over for LAN, BUT NOOOOO That's not good enough for you. Now they have jet lag. Freaking deal with it. Top foreigners can easily take out Koreans, they aren't fucking Gods. Excuses? Koreans have destroyed foreigners so far. Yeah, you're including the wins of the tier 2 Foreigners, maybe if Gomtv sent over tier 2 koreans, we can start talking about wins and shit. But as far as I'm concerned the Top top foreigners are doing REALLY REALLY well against the Top foreigners, stop trying to feign Korean dominance when there isn't any.
Who are the top top foreigners? The pool of top top foreigners seems to change everytime a Korean crushes one of them. Literally the only victory a top foreigner has over a Korean (minus the substandard Moon) is MC/Idra. Compare that with Losira over Incontrol, July over Sjow, MMA over Sjow, MC over Tyler, MC over Select, MC over Thorzain, Losira over TLO, MMA over Kiwikaka, July over Kiwikaki and I really fail to see how 'top foreigners' have competed well at all.
This is the part where you pretend players like Select and Kiwikaki are not top foreigners so go ahead.
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On June 05 2011 11:15 bluestuff wrote:Show nested quote +On June 05 2011 11:12 Adreme wrote:On June 05 2011 11:05 doffe wrote:On June 05 2011 11:02 ffadicted wrote:
So at the end of championship pool play, final tally on Korea vs. The World (I've been keeping track since the start)
Moon: 3 - 2
MMA: 5 - 0
July: 4 - 0 (his loss was to a korean)
MC: 4 - 1
Losira: 5 - 0
Koreans: 21 - 3
If you take into account that Moon isn't even good enough for Code A, and that MC said he was extremely jet lagged against grack, I think we can end the argument here. The gap IS huge.
Korea FIGHTIN!! ^^; Its fun how ju count MMAs win against July but not Julys loss.... anyways 20-3 is still pretty awsome It kinda went how it was expected to go though it went pretty awesome for the Koreans. The way I see it only 3 people at MLG (in the pool play) have a shot at taking down MMA July MC and Losira. Those 3 are Naniwa, Idra and Thorzain. Idra and Nani won there groups and Thorzain was in Idras group. Now I know other players have a shot at taking a Bo3 off of them (Sjow who should have beaten MMA and Morrow if he can get out of the Losers Bracket) but lets not pretend they sent over just anyone MMA has possibly the best TvT in Korea and has shown that he can crush high level zergs as well. MC is the best protoss in Korea without question. Losira is probably the 2nd best zerg is korea and if hes not the 2nd best then Julyzerg is. So the only people who can beat the top koreans are the top non koreans. a certain someone named nestea might wanna disagree with you about being the number one zerg player in Korea >=/
I didnt say number 1 for either Losira or July. I said either one of them is up for debate for being the 2nd best zerg in korea fully aware that NesTea is the best. Its hard to argue that July and Losira are the 2nd and 3rd best zergs in korea.
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On June 05 2011 11:15 TheBrofessor wrote:Show nested quote +On June 05 2011 11:13 fartdra wrote:On June 05 2011 11:10 TheBrofessor wrote:On June 05 2011 11:08 StyLeD wrote:On June 05 2011 11:06 redFF wrote:On June 05 2011 11:02 ffadicted wrote:
So at the end of championship pool play, final tally on Korea vs. The World (I've been keeping track since the start)
Moon: 3 - 2
MMA: 5 - 0
July: 4 - 0 (his loss was to a korean)
MC: 4 - 1
Losira: 5 - 0
Koreans: 21 - 3
If you take into account that Moon isn't even good enough for Code A, and that MC said he was extremely jet lagged against grack, I think we can end the argument here. The gap IS huge.
Korea FIGHTIN!! ^^; Well Moon is an average korean and he lost a bit. And the other 4 are without a doubt 4 of the very best players in Korea. If these guys were only playing 4 of the top top top foreigners e.g. IdrA, Thorzain, Nani and Whitera, I'm sure the results would be fairly balanced. The koreans are playing people who are not on their level and not the best the foreign scene have to offer. Ofcourse all of these code s calibre players are pwning random foreigners, but the best of the best are still fairly equal in my opinion. Uh, no. The foreigners you mentioned are the best of the best foreigners. The Koreans sent to MLG are 2nd tier (-MC) compared to the likes of MVP and especially Nestea. Nice try though... MMA, Losira and July are not second tier. actually MMA losira are second tier. they are only just coming onto the scene as big time gamers, haven't established themselves yet, but are getting there, thus second tier. people like nestea, mvp, nada have established themselves at top tier and not flash in pan wonders who just do well for a season or two (cough jinro). That all depends on your definiton of 'top tier'. If your limiting it to the very top, thats just dumb. MMA and Losira have been beating some of the best koreans, and deserved to be recognized as top players.
In relation to the guy that listed essentially the 'very top' foreigners, then yes I think it is necessary to place a distinction between the very top foreigners beating the 'still top but not the best' Koreans.
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On June 05 2011 11:14 deadjawa wrote:
The Koreans have done well. But anyone who has been watching these games (especially MMO vs Sjow) realizes that a number of these games could have easily gone the other way. The Koreans are ahead, but maybe a half step ahead.
I kinda agree... most games were 2-1 and could easily have gone the other way. It was definitely a good showing by the koreans but let's not get carried away.
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On June 05 2011 11:15 travis wrote:Show nested quote +On June 05 2011 11:14 Gezuz wrote:On June 05 2011 11:11 travis wrote:On June 05 2011 11:10 Koshi wrote:On June 05 2011 11:09 Pudge_172 wrote:
Vibe eliminates Morrow. Fuck that. Morrow loses 2 in a row. Against Vibe??? Morrow is 5-1 in GSL, Vibe is bad there. Stamina I guess? im pretty sure vibe has been winning all his matches in nasl lately (i assumed u meant nasl not gsl) Vibe is 3-5 Morrow is 7-1 ok? 
Meaning Vibe is screwed in the NASL
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Does anyone know if any more games will be broadcasted?
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On June 05 2011 11:14 Zeri wrote:Show nested quote +On June 05 2011 11:13 Ocedic wrote:On June 05 2011 11:09 Balthazar wrote:On June 05 2011 11:06 Troopi wrote:On June 05 2011 11:05 Zeri wrote:![[image loading]](http://c0013799.cdn1.cloudfiles.rackspacecloud.com/x2_66d301b) More flooding! From sundance's twitter... Seriously MLG has the worst luck LoL what happened? IdrA pissed his pants after MC called him out. This quote deserves more attention. Nah it was actually a lame joke that he repeated already in the thread.
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On June 05 2011 11:17 shabby wrote:
Anyone have any idea about who plays next? Is it over? Any information or just spam?
they are waiting for matches to finish to see who plays next I believe
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On June 05 2011 11:16 koolaid1990 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 05 2011 11:11 nam nam wrote:On June 05 2011 11:08 StyLeD wrote:On June 05 2011 11:06 redFF wrote:On June 05 2011 11:02 ffadicted wrote:
So at the end of championship pool play, final tally on Korea vs. The World (I've been keeping track since the start)
Moon: 3 - 2
MMA: 5 - 0
July: 4 - 0 (his loss was to a korean)
MC: 4 - 1
Losira: 5 - 0
Koreans: 21 - 3
If you take into account that Moon isn't even good enough for Code A, and that MC said he was extremely jet lagged against grack, I think we can end the argument here. The gap IS huge.
Korea FIGHTIN!! ^^; Well Moon is an average korean and he lost a bit. And the other 4 are without a doubt 4 of the very best players in Korea. If these guys were only playing 4 of the top top top foreigners e.g. IdrA, Thorzain, Nani and Whitera, I'm sure the results would be fairly balanced. The koreans are playing people who are not on their level and not the best the foreign scene have to offer. Ofcourse all of these code s calibre players are pwning random foreigners, but the best of the best are still fairly equal in my opinion. Uh, no. The foreigners you mentioned are the best of the best foreigners. The Koreans sent to MLG are 2nd tier (-MC) compared to the likes of MVP and especially Nestea. Nice try though... You calling July and Losira second tier? Losira is pretty much 2nd tier to Nestea, everyone thinks of Losira as the protege of Nestea. I mean he did get 0-3ed by scFOU, Nestea beat scFou.
oh, so 2nd tier means "2nd best"
well geeze, we are ignoring that a lot of the players the koreans have been playing are 3rd, 4th, 5th, maybe even like 10th to 20th tier foreigners.
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On June 05 2011 11:16 d(O.o)a wrote:Show nested quote +On June 05 2011 11:11 StyLeD wrote:On June 05 2011 11:11 nam nam wrote:On June 05 2011 11:08 StyLeD wrote:On June 05 2011 11:06 redFF wrote:On June 05 2011 11:02 ffadicted wrote:
So at the end of championship pool play, final tally on Korea vs. The World (I've been keeping track since the start)
Moon: 3 - 2
MMA: 5 - 0
July: 4 - 0 (his loss was to a korean)
MC: 4 - 1
Losira: 5 - 0
Koreans: 21 - 3
If you take into account that Moon isn't even good enough for Code A, and that MC said he was extremely jet lagged against grack, I think we can end the argument here. The gap IS huge.
Korea FIGHTIN!! ^^; Well Moon is an average korean and he lost a bit. And the other 4 are without a doubt 4 of the very best players in Korea. If these guys were only playing 4 of the top top top foreigners e.g. IdrA, Thorzain, Nani and Whitera, I'm sure the results would be fairly balanced. The koreans are playing people who are not on their level and not the best the foreign scene have to offer. Ofcourse all of these code s calibre players are pwning random foreigners, but the best of the best are still fairly equal in my opinion. Uh, no. The foreigners you mentioned are the best of the best foreigners. The Koreans sent to MLG are 2nd tier (-MC) compared to the likes of MVP and especially Nestea. Nice try though... You calling July and Losira second tier? Second tier to MVP, Nestea, and MC, yes. So funny, you're not even Korean show some loyalty, back in broodwar we celebrated a foreigner taking a single game off of a korean. (And those were often second tier koreans to)
Funny, but true. XD
For my part, I'm just waiting for Sen to get back into the GSL. Or the Chinese players.
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On June 05 2011 11:12 BackSideAttack wrote:Show nested quote +On June 05 2011 11:10 TheBrofessor wrote:On June 05 2011 11:08 StyLeD wrote:On June 05 2011 11:06 redFF wrote:On June 05 2011 11:02 ffadicted wrote:
So at the end of championship pool play, final tally on Korea vs. The World (I've been keeping track since the start)
Moon: 3 - 2
MMA: 5 - 0
July: 4 - 0 (his loss was to a korean)
MC: 4 - 1
Losira: 5 - 0
Koreans: 21 - 3
If you take into account that Moon isn't even good enough for Code A, and that MC said he was extremely jet lagged against grack, I think we can end the argument here. The gap IS huge.
Korea FIGHTIN!! ^^; Well Moon is an average korean and he lost a bit. And the other 4 are without a doubt 4 of the very best players in Korea. If these guys were only playing 4 of the top top top foreigners e.g. IdrA, Thorzain, Nani and Whitera, I'm sure the results would be fairly balanced. The koreans are playing people who are not on their level and not the best the foreign scene have to offer. Ofcourse all of these code s calibre players are pwning random foreigners, but the best of the best are still fairly equal in my opinion. Uh, no. The foreigners you mentioned are the best of the best foreigners. The Koreans sent to MLG are 2nd tier (-MC) compared to the likes of MVP and especially Nestea. Nice try though... MMA, Losira and July are not second tier. MMA is not as good as Bomber, MVP, and MKP. July and Losira are nowhere near as good as Nestea.
MMA is definitely on the same level as those terrans. And if Nestea is the best zerg in Korea then Losira and July ( and drg) are right behind him.
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On June 05 2011 11:17 shabby wrote:
Anyone have any idea about who plays next? Is it over? Any information or just spam?
They don't know who is up next, it will probably be from Champion bracket round 1. It's not over yet, but close.
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On June 05 2011 11:15 Fionn wrote:Show nested quote +On June 05 2011 11:13 Vimsey wrote:On June 05 2011 11:02 ffadicted wrote:
So at the end of championship pool play, final tally on Korea vs. The World (I've been keeping track since the start)
Moon: 3 - 2
MMA: 5 - 0
July: 4 - 0 (his loss was to a korean)
MC: 4 - 1
Losira: 5 - 0
Koreans: 21 - 3
If you take into account that Moon isn't even good enough for Code A, and that MC said he was extremely jet lagged against grack, I think we can end the argument here. The gap IS huge.
Korea FIGHTIN!! ^^; ok annoying me now. I like how people are only counting the GSL invited koreans. Moonan went 0-5 and Select went 0-5. Neither of those play in the Korean scene. They're North American players.
So by that logic TLO is now swedish, QXC is now spanish, Huk is now Korean and Demuslim is now German amoung others. US loose understanding of nationality is a bit strange.
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On June 05 2011 11:15 Torte de Lini wrote:
Where is White-Ra btw?
well he is busy with his new sponsors i guess didnt event show NASL
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Cruncher
Vibe
Qxc
KawaiiRice
will be playing the 6th place pool guys.
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Cruncher, Vibe, QXC, KawaiiRice
VS.
Moonan, Gretorp, TLO, Select
Right? Just don't know who's playing who yet. Lots of Terrans. I wouldn't mind seing Cruncher vs. TLO.
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On June 05 2011 11:17 shabby wrote:
Anyone have any idea about who plays next? Is it over? Any information or just spam?
I think one more game, would like to know too.
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link for the championship bracket?
can't find it anywhere
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