EDIT: Hey motbob, can you put (maybe in spoilers) each player's record, so we know what's at stake for everyone without having to go to Results and Standings? Maybe it's not necessary if it's too much effort
On May 26 2011 08:33 Eschaton wrote: Getting my hopes up again for Artosis to show his true abilities.
Yeah! Artosis fighting.
OFFTOPIC : Can someone explain to me what is Artosis Pylon thanks.
A couple weeks ago, Artosis had one pylon powering most or all of his gateways and tech, and it got sniped, forcing him to gg. Since then that type of pylon has been dubbed an Artosis Pylon.
On May 26 2011 08:36 ThePowerHour wrote: A couple weeks ago, Artosis had one pylon powering most or all of his gateways and tech, and it got sniped, forcing him to gg. Since then that type of pylon has been dubbed an Artosis Pylon.
It's happened a lot more than once. It's something he does pretty consistently, so it got named after him! He's got a good understanding of the game, and there's definitely the potential for him to get really good at it...but there are simple things that he just does over and over that keep losing him games, too.
It's funny to think Grubby is the massive underdog against Kiwikaki. A few years ago, Kiwi would have a 1% chance of taking a boX against Grubby in an OrcvsOrc. I feel old o_0
Haha I can't stop laughing every time I see the Edwardstarcraft interviews. Not in a negative way. But it's so funny when he stares into the camera instead of looking at people he interviews.
Big fan of mr bitter wish it was him and incontrol casting though. Although incontrol was being kind of a douche to me on SOTG thread yesterday when i called him out on dissing huk for his height
Mr Bitter is nice to hear and fucking handsome :D Don't like TLO's build here, should've 16CC imo. (well, perhaps he would have lost as Moon went for an aggressive build)
Moon with some nice micro during that final engagement. Burrowing the infestors and running them away after the fungal is something every zerg player should be doing.
On May 26 2011 10:14 NPHarris wrote: Gretorp, I came here to say this: shut the fuck up. Please. Your commentary is fucking retarded and I cannot stand it. Fuck, it drives me mad how little understanding of the game you have, how many (read: every) times you judge situations completely wrong and just talk out of your ass all the time, reversing your opinion seconds later when you notice you completely misjudged everything. And it happens every day. I watched you stream last night and it was sad. Just sad. STOP FUCKING TALKING.
I am happy to receive my ban now, I will register new accounts momentarily.
On May 26 2011 10:14 NPHarris wrote: Gretorp, I came here to say this: shut the fuck up. Please. Your commentary is fucking retarded and I cannot stand it. Fuck, it drives me mad how little understanding of the game you have, how many (read: every) times you judge situations completely wrong and just talk out of your ass all the time, reversing your opinion seconds later when you notice you completely misjudged everything. And it happens every day. I watched you stream last night and it was sad. Just sad. STOP FUCKING TALKING.
I am happy to receive my ban now, I will register new accounts momentarily.
GO HUK
P.S.: You're worse than Husky.
You know if you didnt say anything about getting banned there is a good chance you wouldnt. But its called martyring and its stated in the rules, that if you say something and then follow it with something like "ban me if you want" no matter what you said weather it is appopriate or not you will get banned. Just an FYI
On May 26 2011 10:14 NPHarris wrote: Gretorp, I came here to say this: shut the fuck up. Please. Your commentary is fucking retarded and I cannot stand it. Fuck, it drives me mad how little understanding of the game you have, how many (read: every) times you judge situations completely wrong and just talk out of your ass all the time, reversing your opinion seconds later when you notice you completely misjudged everything. And it happens every day. I watched you stream last night and it was sad. Just sad. STOP FUCKING TALKING.
I am happy to receive my ban now, I will register new accounts momentarily.
On May 26 2011 10:14 short wrote: Mrbitter is doing really well. He sounds confident and calm. Actually, this combo makes Gretorp better for me as well.
Bitter takes the bitter taste out of Gretorp's inferior casting.
On May 26 2011 10:14 NPHarris wrote: Gretorp, I came here to say this: shut the fuck up. Please. Your commentary is fucking retarded and I cannot stand it. Fuck, it drives me mad how little understanding of the game you have, how many (read: every) times you judge situations completely wrong and just talk out of your ass all the time, reversing your opinion seconds later when you notice you completely misjudged everything. And it happens every day. I watched you stream last night and it was sad. Just sad. STOP FUCKING TALKING.
I am happy to receive my ban now, I will register new accounts momentarily.
On May 26 2011 10:14 NPHarris wrote: Gretorp, I came here to say this: shut the fuck up. Please. Your commentary is fucking retarded and I cannot stand it. Fuck, it drives me mad how little understanding of the game you have, how many (read: every) times you judge situations completely wrong and just talk out of your ass all the time, reversing your opinion seconds later when you notice you completely misjudged everything. And it happens every day. I watched you stream last night and it was sad. Just sad. STOP FUCKING TALKING.
I am happy to receive my ban now, I will register new accounts momentarily.
GO HUK
P.S.: You're worse than Husky.
I think you just about squeezed every pet hate on TL. Congratz, enjoy your ban.
Did anyone else listen to Huk say Moon was just bad and would suck at MLG? If TLO was a high placing competitor, shouldn't you expect moon to do well, too?
On May 26 2011 10:16 funkyfritter wrote: Moon with some nice micro during that final engagement. Burrowing the infestors and running them away after the fungal is something every zerg player should be doing.
agreed i think moon is underrated in korea (tasteosis) hes actually really good hes just gotten kind of unlucky in the GSL, Also he has a knack for playing against foreigners probably has something to do with his wc3 days.
On May 26 2011 10:18 Shellshock1122 wrote: Did anyone else listen to Huk say Moon was just bad and would suck at MLG? If TLO was a high placing competitor, shouldn't you expect moon to do well, too?
On May 26 2011 10:14 NPHarris wrote: Gretorp, I came here to say this: shut the fuck up. Please. Your commentary is fucking retarded and I cannot stand it. Fuck, it drives me mad how little understanding of the game you have, how many (read: every) times you judge situations completely wrong and just talk out of your ass all the time, reversing your opinion seconds later when you notice you completely misjudged everything. And it happens every day. I watched you stream last night and it was sad. Just sad. STOP FUCKING TALKING.
I am happy to receive my ban now, I will register new accounts momentarily.
GO HUK
P.S.: You're worse than Husky.
I share your general opinion but don't feel strongly enough about it to get so worked up. NASL would be orders of magnitude better if they replaced him.
Holy shit, get Day9 up in this motherfucker. Day9/anyone. God yes.
On May 26 2011 10:20 Flytothesky wrote: I honestly think MrBitter should be a permanent caster for NASL. He has really nice voice to hear plus good analysis of the game.
I dont think Gretorp is that good, I feel hes a but much acting more than thinking and sayin what he thinks...
On May 26 2011 10:14 NPHarris wrote: Gretorp, I came here to say this: shut the fuck up. Please. Your commentary is fucking retarded and I cannot stand it. Fuck, it drives me mad how little understanding of the game you have, how many (read: every) times you judge situations completely wrong and just talk out of your ass all the time, reversing your opinion seconds later when you notice you completely misjudged everything. And it happens every day. I watched you stream last night and it was sad. Just sad. STOP FUCKING TALKING.
I am happy to receive my ban now, I will register new accounts momentarily.
GO HUK
P.S.: You're worse than Husky.
I share your general opinion but don't feel strongly enough about it to get so worked up. NASL would be orders of magnitude better if they replaced him.
Holy shit, get Day9 up in this motherfucker. Day9/anyone. God yes.
On May 26 2011 10:14 NPHarris wrote: Gretorp, I came here to say this: shut the fuck up. Please. Your commentary is fucking retarded and I cannot stand it. Fuck, it drives me mad how little understanding of the game you have, how many (read: every) times you judge situations completely wrong and just talk out of your ass all the time, reversing your opinion seconds later when you notice you completely misjudged everything. And it happens every day. I watched you stream last night and it was sad. Just sad. STOP FUCKING TALKING.
I am happy to receive my ban now, I will register new accounts momentarily.
GO HUK
P.S.: You're worse than Husky.
Why do you dislike gretorp so much? He's actually a good player, likely better than you. He's also done nothing to deserve such hate, why are you so effected by his commentating, has he done anything to harm you?
Fuck MrBitter he came in my house and kicked my dog (7)
11%
No, I like NASL as it is. (6)
9%
65 total votes
Your vote: Should Bitter be a permanent caster?
(Vote): Hell yeah, A+ casting (Vote): Maybe, he has potential (Vote): No, I like NASL as it is. (Vote): Fuck MrBitter he came in my house and kicked my dog
On May 26 2011 10:14 NPHarris wrote: Gretorp, I came here to say this: shut the fuck up. Please. Your commentary is fucking retarded and I cannot stand it. Fuck, it drives me mad how little understanding of the game you have, how many (read: every) times you judge situations completely wrong and just talk out of your ass all the time, reversing your opinion seconds later when you notice you completely misjudged everything. And it happens every day. I watched you stream last night and it was sad. Just sad. STOP FUCKING TALKING.
I am happy to receive my ban now, I will register new accounts momentarily.
GO HUK
P.S.: You're worse than Husky.
Banhammer shall come.
Where is that post from I can't find it in this thread? I wanted to add to it.
On May 26 2011 10:14 NPHarris wrote: Gretorp, I came here to say this: shut the fuck up. Please. Your commentary is fucking retarded and I cannot stand it. Fuck, it drives me mad how little understanding of the game you have, how many (read: every) times you judge situations completely wrong and just talk out of your ass all the time, reversing your opinion seconds later when you notice you completely misjudged everything. And it happens every day. I watched you stream last night and it was sad. Just sad. STOP FUCKING TALKING.
I am happy to receive my ban now, I will register new accounts momentarily.
GO HUK
P.S.: You're worse than Husky.
I think you just about squeezed every pet hate on TL. Congratz, enjoy your ban.
It wasn't too bad I guess..though he neglected mentioning the metagame, balance, bumfighting, and the fact that Huk is going to be the next bonjwa...I'd give it a C..
OT: TLO going fairly heavy mech with seige tanks and hellions, while Moon is on roaches..now he supply blocks himself..not looking good for our hero TLO..
On May 26 2011 10:20 Flytothesky wrote: I honestly think MrBitter should be a permanent caster for NASL. He has really nice voice to hear plus good analysis of the game.
I dont think Gretorp is that good, I feel hes a but much acting more than thinking and sayin what he thinks...
plz read.. he is talking about bitter. gretorp<bitter
Ahh damn. I've seen TLO do this push a million times and roll his opponents a million times. Don't know why he got supply blocked there. That's just something that he does not do.
On May 26 2011 10:26 zyzq wrote: Does TLO even play anymore? this is embarrassing
They said he played this not long after his 24 hour of straight playing charity event. I'm not trying to make excuses, but it might have affected his play. His decision making seems a little worse than normal.
On May 26 2011 10:14 NPHarris wrote: Gretorp, I came here to say this: shut the fuck up. Please. Your commentary is fucking retarded and I cannot stand it. Fuck, it drives me mad how little understanding of the game you have, how many (read: every) times you judge situations completely wrong and just talk out of your ass all the time, reversing your opinion seconds later when you notice you completely misjudged everything. And it happens every day. I watched you stream last night and it was sad. Just sad. STOP FUCKING TALKING.
I am happy to receive my ban now, I will register new accounts momentarily.
GO HUK
P.S.: You're worse than Husky.
Banhammer shall come.
Where is that post from I can't find it in this thread? I wanted to add to it.
Made me lol pretty hard. wtf GO HUK at the end of it?
On topic: Loving Mr. Bitter. It's double analysis, but I don't really mind that much, I think partly because I watch Mr. Bitter's stream a lot and am used to his commentary. He definitely deserves the opportunity; hope he gets more like it in the future!
It's amazing how some new dude who barely even does casting as a hobby is miles and miles better than Gretorp... but then again who isn't? I like the male kelly reference the dude above me made, exactly how I see him.
On May 26 2011 10:25 Shellshock1122 wrote: MrBitter: As soon as this upgrade finishes Terran will push out. Gretorp: No I dont think so. *Stim finishes. TLO pushes out*
Gretorp is a genius. "Whatever he's gonna do, there is no war he's gonna drop another Gateway" 3 Gateways instantly.
It didnt exactly go very well though did it so just maybe gretorp was right that he shouldnt have.
When Gretorp said he wouldn't push, he meant that he thought TLO wouldn't because it would be a bad move due to the reasons he said. It got crushed, so he was right.
On May 26 2011 10:31 Hollis wrote: Don't think the banshees are going to do much with infestors on the field.
They're supposed to snipe said infestors. Fungal can kill them but it's an awful lot of energy to use per banshee, and if you sweep fast enough there will be no overseer. Like what happened, though Moon somehow botched his defense, I think.
GOSH!!! i know it did not matter, but why the heck did they not show the banshee kill the hive in Moon's main??? sorry, that just made me upset. good game.
He had reinforcements building at his base, why weren't they rallied to his forward siege line? Why was he supply blocked for like 2 and half minutes...?
I love TLO, but I imagine fatigue was a huge part of this. Games were played monday I think, the day after his marathon, so that would be an easy explanation.
On May 26 2011 10:33 Zath.erin wrote: TLO's play is really cringeworthy this game, supply blocked again at 145 for a good minute.
And again at 156.
Yeah TLO had that game in the bag, but those uncharacteristic supply blocks ended up being the nail in his coffin gotta hate playing on almost no sleep.
Fuck MrBitter he came in my house and kicked my dog (7)
11%
No, I like NASL as it is. (6)
9%
65 total votes
Your vote: Should Bitter be a permanent caster?
(Vote): Hell yeah, A+ casting (Vote): Maybe, he has potential (Vote): No, I like NASL as it is. (Vote): Fuck MrBitter he came in my house and kicked my dog
Am I allowed to bump my own posts for more exposure? I'm genuinely curious about what people think about Bitter.
Fuck MrBitter he came in my house and kicked my dog (7)
11%
No, I like NASL as it is. (6)
9%
65 total votes
Your vote: Should Bitter be a permanent caster?
(Vote): Hell yeah, A+ casting (Vote): Maybe, he has potential (Vote): No, I like NASL as it is. (Vote): Fuck MrBitter he came in my house and kicked my dog
Am I allowed to bump my own posts for more exposure? I'm genuinely curious about what people think about Bitter.
There's no point in this poll, he isn't going to be a permanant caster, he probably wouldn't want to either.
What a douchebag.. We all know he would've gotten stomped hard by Morrow but not even showing up when all these awesome players would've loved to be in this league is ridiculous.
Dude Morrow just destroyed Artosis. That was some of the most phenomenal zerg play in the history of starcraft 2, nay... brood war even. Move over Jaedong, Morrow is here.
Fuck MrBitter he came in my house and kicked my dog (7)
11%
No, I like NASL as it is. (6)
9%
65 total votes
Your vote: Should Bitter be a permanent caster?
(Vote): Hell yeah, A+ casting (Vote): Maybe, he has potential (Vote): No, I like NASL as it is. (Vote): Fuck MrBitter he came in my house and kicked my dog
Am I allowed to bump my own posts for more exposure? I'm genuinely curious about what people think about Bitter.
On May 26 2011 10:36 MaxField wrote: GOSH!!! i know it did not matter, but why the heck did they not show the banshee kill the hive in Moon's main??? sorry, that just made me upset. good game.
On May 26 2011 10:38 Mapleleaf wrote: What a douchebag.. We all know he would've gotten stomped hard by Morrow but not even showing up when all these awesome players would've loved to be in this league is ridiculous.
Dude, what is up with you being so negative? Chill out.
Artosis has been posting on FB that he's just moved house and literally got internet today or yesterday. That's why he couldn't play, I'd guess.
On May 26 2011 10:38 DarkPlasmaBall wrote: Morrow was gonna roll Artosis anyway >.> I love Artosis, but he's insanely weak and Morrow's insanely strong.
Is anyone running a tv/monitor setup so they can have the matches displayed on their tv while multitasking with the monitor?
If so, I have a question: Do you know of a way to get the sound for the matches to go through the TV while having everything else come through your main speakers? I'm trying to figure this out, but having no luck.
On May 26 2011 10:38 Mapleleaf wrote: What a douchebag.. We all know he would've gotten stomped hard by Morrow but not even showing up when all these awesome players would've loved to be in this league is ridiculous.
Totally his fault, whe he recently moved into a new house.. wait a minute...
I really wish that there weren't so many walkovers, we are missing so many good games. Gotta wonder how many players are gonna quit playing since they are out of the tourney anyways.
On May 26 2011 10:38 DarkPlasmaBall wrote: Morrow was gonna roll Artosis anyway >.> I love Artosis, but he's insanely weak and Morrow's insanely strong.
He's a good caster tho. - InControll
Don't forget perennial 2004-2005 WCG USA 3rd-4th place finisher!
On May 26 2011 10:41 deathly rat wrote: I really wish that there weren't so many walkovers, we are missing so many good games. Gotta wonder how many players are gonna quit playing since they are out of the tourney anyways.
It's not like we're missing some amazing match this time around, but I agree we've missed some potential great ones.
On May 26 2011 10:38 Mapleleaf wrote: What a douchebag.. We all know he would've gotten stomped hard by Morrow but not even showing up when all these awesome players would've loved to be in this league is ridiculous.
Dude, what is up with you being so negative? Chill out.
Artosis has been posting on FB that he's just moved house and literally got internet today or yesterday. That's why he couldn't play, I'd guess.
they have pcbangs but moving is really stressful and have more things to worry about than playing a game in a tournament that already looks over for him.
On May 26 2011 10:41 deathly rat wrote: I really wish that there weren't so many walkovers, we are missing so many good games. Gotta wonder how many players are gonna quit playing since they are out of the tourney anyways.
It's not like we're missing some amazing match this time around, but I agree we've missed some potential great ones.
July vs WhiteRa was the biggest miss . Sucks because they are #1 and 2 in their division as well.
On May 26 2011 10:38 Mapleleaf wrote: What a douchebag.. We all know he would've gotten stomped hard by Morrow but not even showing up when all these awesome players would've loved to be in this league is ridiculous.
Totally his fault, whe he recently moved into a new house.. wait a minute...
What are you talking about? I find it utterly disgraceful that he didn't move to a house that had internet all setup and a computer with Starcraft II installed. Pro-gamers these days... Don't make them how they used to :p.
On May 26 2011 10:41 deathly rat wrote: I really wish that there weren't so many walkovers, we are missing so many good games. Gotta wonder how many players are gonna quit playing since they are out of the tourney anyways.
Fix'd for you, it's Artosis we're talking about here =)
That is the kind of Zerg that i like to watch, great job holding the 2 gate and then just macroing hard. great game by vibe, Rainbow did not play to the best i think.
Wow Vibe SMASHED Rainbow in that engagement. His victory there was just so decisive the game was just about over right there and then. I mean, considering banelings have to kill THEMSELVES to win, you rarely see a zerg win a battle like that so decisively.
Between that and his surprisingly high APM, I'm impressed with Vibe. I may need to start paying more attention to him, I usually don't.
On May 26 2011 10:52 Monoamine wrote: Does anyone know what happened to the Fenix vs. MorroW match? I think it was originally scheduled to be played a couple weeks ago.
Lol I think it just disappeared....
And go Vibe!! that was sick, I hope to see him get bigger and better as time goes on :D
Also Mr Bitter is fantastic, love his voice and love his analysis.
On May 26 2011 10:52 MaxField wrote: That is the kind of Zerg that i like to watch, great job holding the 2 gate and then just macroing hard. great game by vibe, Rainbow did not play to the best i think.
On May 26 2011 11:00 AssuredVacancy wrote: how did rainbow make it to gsl finals? his decision making is terrible..
Back when he got that far most players were much worse at defending 2 rax bunker rushes and maps were mostly smaller, he probably would have killed most zergs with these builds that many months ago.
This is not Rainbow playing. I'd bet money on it. It's his younger brother or something, Rainbow probly had a date tonight or something. I'm not even kidding.
On May 26 2011 11:03 LynxKerr wrote: This is not Rainbow playing. I'd bet money on it. It's his younger brother or something, Rainbow probly had a date tonight or something. I'm not even kidding.
I'd be willing to agree with this. This looks so terrible it's not even funny.
On May 26 2011 11:03 LynxKerr wrote: This is not Rainbow playing. I'd bet money on it. It's his younger brother or something, Rainbow probly had a date tonight or something. I'm not even kidding.
Rainbow can't be THIS bad man. Supply cap, no SCV production, no siege tanks, CC built at 5min expanded at 11min. This can't be a GSL finalist decision making.
On May 26 2011 11:09 MaxField wrote: Casters are talking about being supply blocked, when Rainbow has been blocked for over 2 minutes twice, and at 110 supply for about 3 minutes.
They've mentioned Rainbow is playing like shit quite a lot already... No need to beat a dead horse.
Hats off to Vibe, but there were a few mistakes in that game (losing Mutas by directly engaging marines, running into tank fire and then back out again). I don't think it was so much Vibe's play as it was Rainbow's passive strategy that decided the game.
On May 26 2011 11:11 d(O.o)a wrote: vibe should at least show some respect for rainbow, he was such a great bw player :/
Yeah I agree. Come on vibe, yeah rainbow played horribly but it's like 4 am for him and he's playing with lag
Meh, vibe's bm was fantastic. rainbow wasn't even that amazing in SC1 compared to other greats like BoxeR. If vibe did this to BoxeR, NaDa, July, or another legend, then it would be a different story.
On May 26 2011 11:13 Golgotha wrote: wow rainbow has fallen mightily. sorry for being harsh but he has gone off the deep end. i cant believe he was actually a gsl contender.
It's not that surprising since a lot of high calibur SC2 players during the beta vanished now that the full game is out and it has progressed much further.
On May 26 2011 11:17 Kommander wrote: Lag ain't an excuse for expanding very late and making questionable decisions.
it seemed like to me he hadnt seen a zerg going that no gas expand style and thought he could just go kill him with banshees and then had no idea what to do after that with his original plans in tatters.
On May 26 2011 11:17 Kommander wrote: Lag ain't an excuse for expanding very late and making questionable decisions.
Yeah... I honestly think he was playing drunk...
It's ok. He has a hot girlfriend. These games mean nothing to him. Just ask Huk. He shouldn't be allowed to be a prestigious progamer if he has a hot gf. :D
Rainbow just doesn't strike me as a good player. If I was a Korean terran on the same team as Bomber, I would think I'd pick up alot things to make me a better player. I'm just underwhelmed every time I see him play.
On May 26 2011 11:11 d(O.o)a wrote: vibe should at least show some respect for rainbow, he was such a great bw player :/
Yeah I agree. Come on vibe, yeah rainbow played horribly but it's like 4 am for him and he's playing with lag
Meh, vibe's bm was fantastic. rainbow wasn't even that amazing in SC1 compared to other greats like BoxeR. If vibe did this to BoxeR, NaDa, July, or another legend, then it would be a different story.
On May 26 2011 11:13 Golgotha wrote: wow rainbow has fallen mightily. sorry for being harsh but he has gone off the deep end. i cant believe he was actually a gsl contender.
It's not that surprising since a lot of high calibur SC2 players during the beta vanished now that the full game is out and it has progressed much further.
Did you watch broodwar back then? Rainbow was known for his excelent reaver micro, he may not have had the longevity of skill but for a while he was great, and he played some amazing games like:
This is a must-watch for anybody who wants to watch broodwar.
Oh Grubby, how can you be a Protoss progamer and not know that the winner of stalker/zealot vs stalker/zealot is whoever focuses down the opposing stalkers better.
On May 26 2011 11:23 akalarry wrote: lol yes put your proxy pylon right outside his natural. so retarded
It was 4gate vs. 4gate he wasn't going to expand any time soon, the reason his pylon got discovered was because he moved his probe further into kiwi's base and he moved over to kill it thus finding the pylon.
On May 26 2011 11:24 partisan wrote: Dear Grubby, stop 4gating.
It's holding back your development
there isnt really any other options on taldarim
It's one of the biggest maps in the entire pool. There are more options for that map than most other maps.
Not in PvP. The lack of a forcefield-able ramp (by force-fieldable I mean with 1 FF) means that you either need to do something sneaky early game or 4gate to avoid dying to one.
Well, I already know the NASL has already received a lot of criticism about the casters.. but I have to say this new caster today has well... poor game intelligence.
Anyone know if he will be casting any of the games in the future? :/
On May 26 2011 11:33 SSLPrism wrote: Well, I already know the NASL has already received a lot of criticism about the casters.. but I have to say this new caster today has well... poor game intelligence.
Anyone know if he will be casting any of the games in the future? :/
As critical as I often get with casters mr bitter is doing a really great job, I'm very impressed. Wish the games were better lol but Sheth Fenix should be really good you would think.
On May 26 2011 11:33 SSLPrism wrote: Well, I already know the NASL has already received a lot of criticism about the casters.. but I have to say this new caster today has well... poor game intelligence.
Anyone know if he will be casting any of the games in the future? :/
On May 26 2011 11:33 SSLPrism wrote: Well, I already know the NASL has already received a lot of criticism about the casters.. but I have to say this new caster today has well... poor game intelligence.
Anyone know if he will be casting any of the games in the future? :/
wtf are u talking about hes doing fine
He just really does not know much about the game.. I'm not trying to be rude, just wondering if he'll be in any of the casts in the future. He doesn't really understand preparation either is the main thing I'd say..
On May 26 2011 11:33 SSLPrism wrote: Well, I already know the NASL has already received a lot of criticism about the casters.. but I have to say this new caster today has well... poor game intelligence.
Anyone know if he will be casting any of the games in the future? :/
30 pages in, is this the first MrBitter criticism? That might be a record. Oh, right, no, we hate articulate well spoken casters, boo, hiss.
On May 26 2011 11:33 Coolwhip wrote: Grubby should not have entered NASL. It's getting embarassing.
Both games were close though,,,, its not the same as when Rainbow is playing with eyes closed or Painuser who simply stopped practicing. Thats more embarrasing imo.
On May 26 2011 11:33 SSLPrism wrote: Well, I already know the NASL has already received a lot of criticism about the casters.. but I have to say this new caster today has well... poor game intelligence.
Anyone know if he will be casting any of the games in the future? :/
Are you pretending to be retarded?
Look, I'm just stating an opinion, there is NO need for you to bring up mental illnesses towards me, I hope this is not tolerated on TL.
On May 26 2011 11:34 DarkPlasmaBall wrote: I'd imagine Fenix vs. Sheth to be a good match.
Nope. If you can defend blue flame and banshee against fenix you win 99% of the time. Considering Sheth goes infestor/roach in zvt, he should 2-0 pretty easily.
On May 26 2011 11:33 SSLPrism wrote: Well, I already know the NASL has already received a lot of criticism about the casters.. but I have to say this new caster today has well... poor game intelligence.
Anyone know if he will be casting any of the games in the future? :/
Oh jesus -_-
That micro battle was nothing like in warcraft 3, Kiwi had zealots hitting zealots, grubby's position made it so two zealots were only hitting probes... It's like having your walkers tank the grunts!
On May 26 2011 11:33 SSLPrism wrote: Well, I already know the NASL has already received a lot of criticism about the casters.. but I have to say this new caster today has well... poor game intelligence.
Anyone know if he will be casting any of the games in the future? :/
Are you pretending to be retarded?
Look, I'm just stating an opinion
An opinion can very well be wrong.
Yours that Mr. Bitter is not knowledgeable of the game is 100% factually wrong.
On May 26 2011 11:33 SSLPrism wrote: Well, I already know the NASL has already received a lot of criticism about the casters.. but I have to say this new caster today has well... poor game intelligence.
Anyone know if he will be casting any of the games in the future? :/
wtf are u talking about hes doing fine
He just really does not know much about the game.. I'm not trying to be rude, just wondering if he'll be in any of the casts in the future. He doesn't really understand preparation either is the main thing I'd say..
That caster knows more about sc2 in his pinky than I will ever know...and I'm not too shabby.
On May 26 2011 11:33 SSLPrism wrote: Well, I already know the NASL has already received a lot of criticism about the casters.. but I have to say this new caster today has well... poor game intelligence.
Anyone know if he will be casting any of the games in the future? :/
30 pages in, is this the first MrBitter criticism? That might be a record. Oh, right, no, we hate articulate well spoken casters, boo, hiss.
Not tastetosis = insta-rage by half the TL community. Nothing you can do.
What needs to happen for Grubby look decent? I don't even say he "Grubby to win", just to look decent?
It's funny as fuck really. People have been laughing at Artosis all this time, and rightly so, but Artosis is a lot better than Grubby. That says a lot. And no, I don't buy "he only started in January" bullshit.
On May 26 2011 11:33 SSLPrism wrote: Well, I already know the NASL has already received a lot of criticism about the casters.. but I have to say this new caster today has well... poor game intelligence.
Anyone know if he will be casting any of the games in the future? :/
Are you pretending to be retarded?
Look, I'm just stating an opinion, there is NO need for you to bring up mental illnesses towards me, I hope this is not tolerated on TL.
The newer caster is Mr. Bitter. He's a high level player (is he in GM?), gives high level lessons, and is a featured stream on TL.
I think you're getting most of the flaming because Bitter most definitely has high game knowledge, he's eloquent and well spoken, and pretty much a composition of everything live reports claim to want in a caster.
I'm actually unbelievably impressed, but to each his own.
On May 26 2011 11:33 SSLPrism wrote: Well, I already know the NASL has already received a lot of criticism about the casters.. but I have to say this new caster today has well... poor game intelligence.
Anyone know if he will be casting any of the games in the future? :/
Are you pretending to be retarded?
Look, I'm just stating an opinion
An opinion can very well be wrong.
Yours that Mr. Bitter is not knowledgeable of the game is 100% factually wrong.
On May 26 2011 11:33 SSLPrism wrote: Well, I already know the NASL has already received a lot of criticism about the casters.. but I have to say this new caster today has well... poor game intelligence.
Anyone know if he will be casting any of the games in the future? :/
Are you pretending to be retarded?
What's wrong with you?
MrBitter isn't a progamer, and SSLPrism is more than entitled to giving his opinion.
On May 26 2011 11:33 SSLPrism wrote: Well, I already know the NASL has already received a lot of criticism about the casters.. but I have to say this new caster today has well... poor game intelligence.
Anyone know if he will be casting any of the games in the future? :/
Are you pretending to be retarded?
Look, I'm just stating an opinion
An opinion can very well be wrong.
Yours that Mr. Bitter is not knowledgeable of the game is 100% factually wrong.
And you can believe what you want to, I'll believe what I want to.
but any person that says a PROFESSIONAL gamer should just "freestyle" it in as important of a league as this simply does not understand the practice many go through. Then to say after the cheese that he should have played standard?(Well more so that that would be his mindset) He just can't make up his mind.
On May 26 2011 11:33 SSLPrism wrote: Well, I already know the NASL has already received a lot of criticism about the casters.. but I have to say this new caster today has well... poor game intelligence.
Anyone know if he will be casting any of the games in the future? :/
Are you pretending to be retarded?
What's wrong with you?
MrBitter isn't a progamer, and SSLPrism is more than entitled to giving his opinion.
Having the right to give an opinion is vastly separate than being correct in your opinion.
On May 26 2011 11:33 SSLPrism wrote: Well, I already know the NASL has already received a lot of criticism about the casters.. but I have to say this new caster today has well... poor game intelligence.
Anyone know if he will be casting any of the games in the future? :/
Are you pretending to be retarded?
Look, I'm just stating an opinion, there is NO need for you to bring up mental illnesses towards me, I hope this is not tolerated on TL.
The newer caster is Mr. Bitter. He's a high level player (is he in GM?), gives high level lessons, and is a featured stream on TL.
I think you're getting most of the flaming because Bitter most definitely has high game knowledge, he's eloquent and well spoken, and pretty much a composition of everything live reports claim to want in a caster.
I'm actually unbelievably impressed, but to each his own.
I never questioned his etiquette, simply disappointed in NASL having a caster with such low game knowledge.
But I'll end it there as people have clearly missed the point.
They should have know taldarim was going to be 4 gate v 4 gate before the game even statred and that the early gates were a way around the slower warpgate research time.
On May 26 2011 11:33 SSLPrism wrote: Well, I already know the NASL has already received a lot of criticism about the casters.. but I have to say this new caster today has well... poor game intelligence.
Anyone know if he will be casting any of the games in the future? :/
Are you pretending to be retarded?
Look, I'm just stating an opinion, there is NO need for you to bring up mental illnesses towards me, I hope this is not tolerated on TL.
The newer caster is Mr. Bitter. He's a high level player (is he in GM?), gives high level lessons, and is a featured stream on TL.
I think you're getting most of the flaming because Bitter most definitely has high game knowledge, he's eloquent and well spoken, and pretty much a composition of everything live reports claim to want in a caster.
I'm actually unbelievably impressed, but to each his own.
I never questioned his etiquette, simply disappointed in NASL having a caster with such low game knowledge.
But I'll end it there as people have clearly missed the point.
You're calling someone that is a top ranking Masters player who is featured for his coaching not knowledgeable of basic game ideas.
On May 26 2011 11:33 SSLPrism wrote: Well, I already know the NASL has already received a lot of criticism about the casters.. but I have to say this new caster today has well... poor game intelligence.
Anyone know if he will be casting any of the games in the future? :/
Are you pretending to be retarded?
Look, I'm just stating an opinion, there is NO need for you to bring up mental illnesses towards me, I hope this is not tolerated on TL.
The newer caster is Mr. Bitter. He's a high level player (is he in GM?), gives high level lessons, and is a featured stream on TL.
I think you're getting most of the flaming because Bitter most definitely has high game knowledge, he's eloquent and well spoken, and pretty much a composition of everything live reports claim to want in a caster.
I'm actually unbelievably impressed, but to each his own.
I never questioned his etiquette, simply disappointed in NASL having a caster with such low game knowledge.
But I'll end it there as people have clearly missed the point.
I understand where you're coming from. Not everyone is the SC encyclopedia that is Artosis, but Mr. Bitter does actually have a very high level of game understanding. I believe he is a zerg main, you may see better insight in this series.
On May 26 2011 11:38 Xxavi wrote: What needs to happen for Grubby look decent? I don't even say he "Grubby to win", just to look decent?
It's funny as fuck really. People have been laughing at Artosis all this time, and rightly so, but Artosis is a lot better than Grubby. That says a lot. And no, I don't buy "he only started in January" bullshit.
Artosis can't even make GrandMaster on the NA server, Grubby is like top 20 GrandMaster on EU, came 3rd recently at a major LAN (beating TLO and 3-0'ing Morrow along the way) and has won multiple series over top level players (2-0 over Demuslim, Tarson, Nerchio etc).
As for the "only started in January" thing it's a fact, not an excuse. It's only 2 months ago that he was getting owned by mid-master nobodies on his stream, now he can hang with the best players in Europe. He will catch up eventually, just like Thorzain eventually caught up to the ex-WC3'ers who switched much earlier than he did.
On May 26 2011 11:38 Xxavi wrote: What needs to happen for Grubby look decent? I don't even say he "Grubby to win", just to look decent?
It's funny as fuck really. People have been laughing at Artosis all this time, and rightly so, but Artosis is a lot better than Grubby. That says a lot. And no, I don't buy "he only started in January" bullshit.
Artosis isn't better than Grubby....
I would say in the NASL they are both playing pretty damn poorly with Grubby probably taking games closer off more people. Grubby however has some pretty good results in European tournies and Artosis has none
On May 26 2011 11:33 SSLPrism wrote: Well, I already know the NASL has already received a lot of criticism about the casters.. but I have to say this new caster today has well... poor game intelligence.
Anyone know if he will be casting any of the games in the future? :/
Are you pretending to be retarded?
What's wrong with you?
MrBitter isn't a progamer, and SSLPrism is more than entitled to giving his opinion.
Having the right to give an opinion is vastly separate than being correct in your opinion.
And having the right to have an opinion is vastly separate than explicitly calling someone a retard on this forum.
Some people aren't fans of every commentator. You don't have to agree with them, or even respect their opinion, but you don't need to approach it in the manner that you did.
On May 26 2011 11:38 Xxavi wrote: What needs to happen for Grubby look decent? I don't even say he "Grubby to win", just to look decent?
It's funny as fuck really. People have been laughing at Artosis all this time, and rightly so, but Artosis is a lot better than Grubby. That says a lot. And no, I don't buy "he only started in January" bullshit.
I think he needs regular practice partners, just playing ladder isnt going to cut it. Being on a team on his own is hurting him.
On May 26 2011 11:38 Xxavi wrote: What needs to happen for Grubby look decent? I don't even say he "Grubby to win", just to look decent?
It's funny as fuck really. People have been laughing at Artosis all this time, and rightly so, but Artosis is a lot better than Grubby. That says a lot. And no, I don't buy "he only started in January" bullshit.
Artosis can't even make Masters on the NA server, Grubby is like top 20 Grandmaster on EU, came 3rd recently at a major LAN (beating TLO and 3-0'ing Morrow along the way) and has won multiple series over top level players (2-0 over Demuslim, Tarson, Nerchio etc).
As for the "only started in January" thing it's a fact, not an excuse. It's only 2 months ago that he was getting owned by mid-master nobodies on his stream, now he can hang with the best players in Europe. He will catch up eventually, just like Thorzain eventually caught up to the ex-WC3'ers who switched much earlier than he did.
Uh, you do realize hes Masters on NA & Korea?
At least check before you make false statements, please.
On May 26 2011 11:33 SSLPrism wrote: Well, I already know the NASL has already received a lot of criticism about the casters.. but I have to say this new caster today has well... poor game intelligence.
Anyone know if he will be casting any of the games in the future? :/
Are you pretending to be retarded?
What's wrong with you?
MrBitter isn't a progamer, and SSLPrism is more than entitled to giving his opinion.
Having the right to give an opinion is vastly separate than being correct in your opinion.
And having the right to have an opinion is vastly separate than explicitly calling someone a retard on this forum.
Some people aren't fans of every commentator. You don't have to agree with them, or even respect their opinion, but you don't need to approach it in the manner that you did.
It appears I struck a pretty deep chord, so I'll drop it before this gets out of hand.
On May 26 2011 11:38 Xxavi wrote: What needs to happen for Grubby look decent? I don't even say he "Grubby to win", just to look decent?
It's funny as fuck really. People have been laughing at Artosis all this time, and rightly so, but Artosis is a lot better than Grubby. That says a lot. And no, I don't buy "he only started in January" bullshit.
Artosis can't even make Masters on the NA server, Grubby is like top 20 Grandmaster on EU, came 3rd recently at a major LAN (beating TLO and 3-0'ing Morrow along the way) and has won multiple series over top level players (2-0 over Demuslim, Tarson, Nerchio etc).
As for the "only started in January" thing it's a fact, not an excuse. It's only 2 months ago that he was getting owned by mid-master nobodies on his stream, now he can hang with the best players in Europe. He will catch up eventually, just like Thorzain eventually caught up to the ex-WC3'ers who switched much earlier than he did.
Uh, you do realize hes Masters on NA & Korea?
At least check before you make false statements, please.
On May 26 2011 11:43 Shellshock1122 wrote: dang 20 kill banshee. i guess i was wrong about minimizing harass
remember most of those kills are lings/banelings from sheth's attack, edit: definitely worth the banshee though, probably would have lost the game if he didnt get the banelings
On May 26 2011 11:33 SSLPrism wrote: Well, I already know the NASL has already received a lot of criticism about the casters.. but I have to say this new caster today has well... poor game intelligence.
Anyone know if he will be casting any of the games in the future? :/
Are you pretending to be retarded?
Look, I'm just stating an opinion, there is NO need for you to bring up mental illnesses towards me, I hope this is not tolerated on TL.
The newer caster is Mr. Bitter. He's a high level player (is he in GM?), gives high level lessons, and is a featured stream on TL.
I think you're getting most of the flaming because Bitter most definitely has high game knowledge, he's eloquent and well spoken, and pretty much a composition of everything live reports claim to want in a caster.
I'm actually unbelievably impressed, but to each his own.
I never questioned his etiquette, simply disappointed in NASL having a caster with such low game knowledge.
But I'll end it there as people have clearly missed the point.
For the record, "this new caster today has well... poor game intelligence." is not an opinion, it's a statement of fact, which can be either correct or incorrect (in this case, wrong). "I don't like this caster because it seems to me that he has poor game knowledge" is an opinion.
An opinion is a statement about how you feel about something, and thus cannot be wrong. That's as far as it goes: as soon as you start talking about how something is rather than how you feel it is, you're talking about facts.
On May 26 2011 11:33 SSLPrism wrote: Well, I already know the NASL has already received a lot of criticism about the casters.. but I have to say this new caster today has well... poor game intelligence.
Anyone know if he will be casting any of the games in the future? :/
Are you pretending to be retarded?
Look, I'm just stating an opinion, there is NO need for you to bring up mental illnesses towards me, I hope this is not tolerated on TL.
The newer caster is Mr. Bitter. He's a high level player (is he in GM?), gives high level lessons, and is a featured stream on TL.
I think you're getting most of the flaming because Bitter most definitely has high game knowledge, he's eloquent and well spoken, and pretty much a composition of everything live reports claim to want in a caster.
I'm actually unbelievably impressed, but to each his own.
I never questioned his etiquette, simply disappointed in NASL having a caster with such low game knowledge.
But I'll end it there as people have clearly missed the point.
For the record, "this new caster today has well... poor game intelligence." is not an opinion, it's a statement of fact, which can be either correct or incorrect (in this case, wrong). "I don't like this caster because it seems to me that he has poor game knowledge" is an opinion.
Oh, come on. Nobody qualifies their opinions by saying stuff like, "In my humble opinion, it appears to me that..."
On May 26 2011 11:38 Xxavi wrote: What needs to happen for Grubby look decent? I don't even say he "Grubby to win", just to look decent?
It's funny as fuck really. People have been laughing at Artosis all this time, and rightly so, but Artosis is a lot better than Grubby. That says a lot. And no, I don't buy "he only started in January" bullshit.
Artosis can't even make Masters on the NA server, Grubby is like top 20 Grandmaster on EU, came 3rd recently at a major LAN (beating TLO and 3-0'ing Morrow along the way) and has won multiple series over top level players (2-0 over Demuslim, Tarson, Nerchio etc).
As for the "only started in January" thing it's a fact, not an excuse. It's only 2 months ago that he was getting owned by mid-master nobodies on his stream, now he can hang with the best players in Europe. He will catch up eventually, just like Thorzain eventually caught up to the ex-WC3'ers who switched much earlier than he did.
Uh, you do realize hes Masters on NA & Korea?
At least check before you make false statements, please.
I meant GM and edited it before you posted.
He lives in korea I dont see how he could possibly make GM in NA.
On May 26 2011 11:33 SSLPrism wrote: Well, I already know the NASL has already received a lot of criticism about the casters.. but I have to say this new caster today has well... poor game intelligence.
Anyone know if he will be casting any of the games in the future? :/
Are you pretending to be retarded?
Look, I'm just stating an opinion, there is NO need for you to bring up mental illnesses towards me, I hope this is not tolerated on TL.
The newer caster is Mr. Bitter. He's a high level player (is he in GM?), gives high level lessons, and is a featured stream on TL.
I think you're getting most of the flaming because Bitter most definitely has high game knowledge, he's eloquent and well spoken, and pretty much a composition of everything live reports claim to want in a caster.
I'm actually unbelievably impressed, but to each his own.
I never questioned his etiquette, simply disappointed in NASL having a caster with such low game knowledge.
But I'll end it there as people have clearly missed the point.
For the record, "this new caster today has well... poor game intelligence." is not an opinion, it's a statement of fact, which can be either correct or incorrect (in this case, wrong). "I don't like this caster because it seems to me that he has poor game knowledge" is an opinion.
Oh, come on. Nobody qualifies their opinions by saying stuff like, "In my humble opinion, it appears to me that..."
Not in everyday speech no, when intonation, body language, and more can make up for that lack of qualification. In writing, it is important to differentiate if you want to be clearly understood and prevent people from misunderstanding you, and failing to do that makes it more your fault than theirs.
when you show the units killed tab, at least keep it open for more than 2 seconds. not everyone has highspeed eyes/brains. i was very annoyed by it happening twice within only one minute. hope you can use this criticism.
On May 26 2011 11:38 Xxavi wrote: What needs to happen for Grubby look decent? I don't even say he "Grubby to win", just to look decent?
It's funny as fuck really. People have been laughing at Artosis all this time, and rightly so, but Artosis is a lot better than Grubby. That says a lot. And no, I don't buy "he only started in January" bullshit.
Artosis can't even make Masters on the NA server, Grubby is like top 20 Grandmaster on EU, came 3rd recently at a major LAN (beating TLO and 3-0'ing Morrow along the way) and has won multiple series over top level players (2-0 over Demuslim, Tarson, Nerchio etc).
As for the "only started in January" thing it's a fact, not an excuse. It's only 2 months ago that he was getting owned by mid-master nobodies on his stream, now he can hang with the best players in Europe. He will catch up eventually, just like Thorzain eventually caught up to the ex-WC3'ers who switched much earlier than he did.
Uh, you do realize hes Masters on NA & Korea?
At least check before you make false statements, please.
I meant GM and edited it before you posted.
He lives in korea I dont see how he could possibly make GM in NA.
If you look at their streams it's very clear that Grubby is miles ahead of Artosis. He executes brilliant strategies, micros very well, has the apm to compete, and his decision making is getting better and better.
Artosis on the other hand looks like he barely belongs in master league. He gets stomped by random nubs quite often and looks terrible.
On May 26 2011 11:38 Xxavi wrote: What needs to happen for Grubby look decent? I don't even say he "Grubby to win", just to look decent?
It's funny as fuck really. People have been laughing at Artosis all this time, and rightly so, but Artosis is a lot better than Grubby. That says a lot. And no, I don't buy "he only started in January" bullshit.
Artosis can't even make Masters on the NA server, Grubby is like top 20 Grandmaster on EU, came 3rd recently at a major LAN (beating TLO and 3-0'ing Morrow along the way) and has won multiple series over top level players (2-0 over Demuslim, Tarson, Nerchio etc).
As for the "only started in January" thing it's a fact, not an excuse. It's only 2 months ago that he was getting owned by mid-master nobodies on his stream, now he can hang with the best players in Europe. He will catch up eventually, just like Thorzain eventually caught up to the ex-WC3'ers who switched much earlier than he did.
Uh, you do realize hes Masters on NA & Korea?
At least check before you make false statements, please.
I meant GM and edited it before you posted.
He lives in korea I dont see how he could possibly make GM in NA.
If you look at their streams it's very clear that Grubby is miles ahead of Artosis. He executes brilliant strategies, micros very well, has the apm to compete, and his decision making is getting better and better.
Artosis on the other hand looks like he barely belongs in master league. He gets stomped by random nubs quite often and looks terrible.
Ive never watched Artosis stream but yea grubby is fun to watch. Was just a purile thing to bring up a NA rank for Artosis.
Funny thing is that the only reason Fenix got so ahead was because his banshees caught Sheth by surprise (which almost never happens in TvZ anymore and shouldn't imo). If Sheth simply put down an evo chamber when he poked up and saw no landed expo, he could've put down 2 spores at each base and only lost 2 queens max.
On May 26 2011 11:38 Xxavi wrote: What needs to happen for Grubby look decent? I don't even say he "Grubby to win", just to look decent?
It's funny as fuck really. People have been laughing at Artosis all this time, and rightly so, but Artosis is a lot better than Grubby. That says a lot. And no, I don't buy "he only started in January" bullshit.
Artosis can't even make Masters on the NA server, Grubby is like top 20 Grandmaster on EU, came 3rd recently at a major LAN (beating TLO and 3-0'ing Morrow along the way) and has won multiple series over top level players (2-0 over Demuslim, Tarson, Nerchio etc).
As for the "only started in January" thing it's a fact, not an excuse. It's only 2 months ago that he was getting owned by mid-master nobodies on his stream, now he can hang with the best players in Europe. He will catch up eventually, just like Thorzain eventually caught up to the ex-WC3'ers who switched much earlier than he did.
Uh, you do realize hes Masters on NA & Korea?
At least check before you make false statements, please.
I meant GM and edited it before you posted.
He lives in korea I dont see how he could possibly make GM in NA.
He has a 50% win ratio on the NA server, which is notoriously weak. Idra, by comparison, had around an 80% win ratio when he was laddering on NA from Korea and I'm sure any of the top Koreans would have no problem making GM on there, even with the high latency.
Anyway, the point is Grubby is going through the exact same thing guys like Thorzain and Kas did, who took months after switching from WC3 before they were really competitive. The only difference is, they didn't have people pointing and laughing every time they lost a game during their transitional period.
Hey I wonder what an Idra/Bitter combo would be like. Probably pretty decent, since Bitter would be the emotion guy instead of the insight guy. Seems he can do either one but he'd be better at the emotion stuff.
Wow. Fenix just plays so well in his NASL games. I feel like I never see him look this great at other times. I wish I had IdrA's knowledge. He basically predicted this whole game already.
On May 26 2011 11:38 Xxavi wrote: What needs to happen for Grubby look decent? I don't even say he "Grubby to win", just to look decent?
It's funny as fuck really. People have been laughing at Artosis all this time, and rightly so, but Artosis is a lot better than Grubby. That says a lot. And no, I don't buy "he only started in January" bullshit.
Artosis can't even make Masters on the NA server, Grubby is like top 20 Grandmaster on EU, came 3rd recently at a major LAN (beating TLO and 3-0'ing Morrow along the way) and has won multiple series over top level players (2-0 over Demuslim, Tarson, Nerchio etc).
As for the "only started in January" thing it's a fact, not an excuse. It's only 2 months ago that he was getting owned by mid-master nobodies on his stream, now he can hang with the best players in Europe. He will catch up eventually, just like Thorzain eventually caught up to the ex-WC3'ers who switched much earlier than he did.
Uh, you do realize hes Masters on NA & Korea?
At least check before you make false statements, please.
I meant GM and edited it before you posted.
He lives in korea I dont see how he could possibly make GM in NA.
He has a 50% win ratio on the NA server, which is notoriously weak. Idra, by comparison, had around an 80% win ratio when he was laddering on NA from Korea and I'm sure any of the top Koreans would have no problem making GM on there, even with the high latency.
Anyway, the point is Grubby is going through the exact same thing guys like Thorzain and Kas did, who took months after switching from WC3 before they were really competitive. The only difference is, they didn't have people pointing and laughing every time they lost a game during their transitional period.
Idra also said he stopped playing on the NA server because the lag was so bad and wasnt good practice there is absolutely no point in even trying to get GM account in NA from korea. Last he played in NA was when he was home at christmas and was changing to protoss.
Anyway my point was that it was purile bringing up his NA rank not commenting on whether grubby is better or not. Thorzain and Kas both played in beta and switched earlier too so yep good point also look out for ToD.
On May 26 2011 12:11 MaxField wrote: There is a strong trend going on with Terrans today, it seems like every game i watch, they get supply blocked for at least a minute and a half.
Terrans have to micro their units the most. Hellions and marines in particular are some of the most micro-intensive units in the game, combine that with spreading out and sieging/unsieging tanks and you have a lot of work to do.
On May 26 2011 12:12 FeastOfThePoops wrote: Not a big fan of idra but I have to say he has the best analysis out of every commentator I've seen, even Artosis.
I agree. Also amazing is his sense. He doesn't miss much.
On May 26 2011 12:16 Shellshock1122 wrote: Wow. I'm impressed by morrow right now. He lost so many drones to harass early on but he's capitalizing on all of Fenix's mistakes
Fast mutas saved him. If fenix had pushed a few seconds earlier, he woulda won
I'm curious as to why these games are only being shown now. IdrA casted them and I remember him referring to these games during later games played the same day, so I can't imagine it was a rescheduling issue.
Editing issue maybe? Either way, kind of weird to see them now.
*edit : Different casters for game 2. That might be a reason lol, I guess the other games weren't played or they had a problem.
Game one was recorded 2 weeks ago, when idra was on. Game 2 (and 3 if it happens) were recorded this week, when mr. bitter was on. Not difficult, people.
I wonder how much Fenix having just defeated a strong player like Sheth is playing into this series. I can only imagine his confidence is much higher now, especially after winning a game against Morrow as well.
On May 26 2011 12:39 Chicane wrote: I wonder how much Fenix having just defeated a strong player like Sheth is playing into this series. I can only imagine his confidence is much higher now.
And it would need to be, considering Morrow is lightyears ahead of Sheth. Morrow is on the same Zerg tier as IdrA.
On May 26 2011 12:39 Chicane wrote: I wonder how much Fenix having just defeated a strong player like Sheth is playing into this series. I can only imagine his confidence is much higher now.
And it would need to be, considering Morrow is lightyears ahead of Sheth. Morrow is on the same Zerg tier as IdrA.
I'd put him a bit below Idra. His macro is as good but his decision-making is not as good as Idra's imo.
On May 26 2011 12:39 Chicane wrote: I wonder how much Fenix having just defeated a strong player like Sheth is playing into this series. I can only imagine his confidence is much higher now.
And it would need to be, considering Morrow is lightyears ahead of Sheth. Morrow is on the same Zerg tier as IdrA.
On May 26 2011 12:39 Chicane wrote: I wonder how much Fenix having just defeated a strong player like Sheth is playing into this series. I can only imagine his confidence is much higher now.
And it would need to be, considering Morrow is lightyears ahead of Sheth. Morrow is on the same Zerg tier as IdrA.
he is not at the same level as idra.
Yeah, it's not like Morrow has ever beaten Idra on a tournament level with solid play...
On May 26 2011 12:39 Chicane wrote: I wonder how much Fenix having just defeated a strong player like Sheth is playing into this series. I can only imagine his confidence is much higher now.
And it would need to be, considering Morrow is lightyears ahead of Sheth. Morrow is on the same Zerg tier as IdrA.
he is not at the same level as idra.
Yeah, it's not like Morrow has ever beaten Idra on a tournament level with solid play...
On May 26 2011 12:39 Chicane wrote: I wonder how much Fenix having just defeated a strong player like Sheth is playing into this series. I can only imagine his confidence is much higher now.
And it would need to be, considering Morrow is lightyears ahead of Sheth. Morrow is on the same Zerg tier as IdrA.
he is not at the same level as idra.
Yeah, it's not like Morrow has ever beaten Idra on a tournament level with solid play...
On May 26 2011 12:39 Chicane wrote: I wonder how much Fenix having just defeated a strong player like Sheth is playing into this series. I can only imagine his confidence is much higher now.
And it would need to be, considering Morrow is lightyears ahead of Sheth. Morrow is on the same Zerg tier as IdrA.
I would not say he is light years ahead of Sheth. I would definitely agree that Morrow is the better ZvT player, but that also happens to be Sheth's weakest match up and he is actually solid in ZvZ and very impressive in ZvP. It's hard to say who is better overall, but Morrow has definitely had more opportunities to show his skill (especially since Sheth hasn't shown up to so many MLGs) so I would agree that I feel Morrow is the better player.
On May 26 2011 12:39 Chicane wrote: I wonder how much Fenix having just defeated a strong player like Sheth is playing into this series. I can only imagine his confidence is much higher now.
And it would need to be, considering Morrow is lightyears ahead of Sheth. Morrow is on the same Zerg tier as IdrA.
I would not say he is light years ahead of Sheth. I would definitely agree that Morrow is the better ZvT player, but that also happens to be Sheth's weakest match up and he is actually solid in ZvZ and very impressive in ZvP. It's hard to say who is better overall, but Morrow has definitely had more opportunities to show his skill (especially since Sheth hasn't shown up to so many MLGs) so I would agree that I feel Morrow is the better player.
I would agree with this. Morrow is the better player, but I'm sure we can all agree that Sheth is improving and it was still a solid win for Fenix.
On May 26 2011 12:39 Chicane wrote: I wonder how much Fenix having just defeated a strong player like Sheth is playing into this series. I can only imagine his confidence is much higher now.
And it would need to be, considering Morrow is lightyears ahead of Sheth. Morrow is on the same Zerg tier as IdrA.
On May 26 2011 12:39 Chicane wrote: I wonder how much Fenix having just defeated a strong player like Sheth is playing into this series. I can only imagine his confidence is much higher now.
And it would need to be, considering Morrow is lightyears ahead of Sheth. Morrow is on the same Zerg tier as IdrA.
he is not at the same level as idra.
IdrA is no God.
Did I say he was? He doesn't have to be to be better than morrow.
On May 26 2011 12:39 Chicane wrote: I wonder how much Fenix having just defeated a strong player like Sheth is playing into this series. I can only imagine his confidence is much higher now.
And it would need to be, considering Morrow is lightyears ahead of Sheth. Morrow is on the same Zerg tier as IdrA.
he is not at the same level as idra.
IdrA is no God.
Did I say he was? He doesn't have to be to be better than morrow.
I've seen IdrA brutally lose on his stream to Fenix's banshee harass quickly followed by 1 tank a bunch of marines. I cannot conclude one player to be "better" than another, but I will conclude that Morrow uses better strategies vs aggressive Terrans.
i was surprised by mrbitter's casting, as I heard him cast solo a couple times and found him not that good at that. Today he did a wonderful job. Keep it up!
On May 26 2011 12:39 Chicane wrote: I wonder how much Fenix having just defeated a strong player like Sheth is playing into this series. I can only imagine his confidence is much higher now.
And it would need to be, considering Morrow is lightyears ahead of Sheth. Morrow is on the same Zerg tier as IdrA.
he is not at the same level as idra.
IdrA is no God.
Did I say he was? He doesn't have to be to be better than morrow.
I've seen IdrA brutally lose on his stream to Fenix's banshee harass quickly followed by 1 tank a bunch of marines. I cannot conclude one player to be "better" than another, but I will conclude that Morrow uses better strategies vs aggressive Terrans.
Any zerg can lose brutally to banshee strats. Just yesterday, a random terran who doesn't even go to tourneys 2port bansheed him and won. It's normal.
On May 26 2011 12:39 Chicane wrote: I wonder how much Fenix having just defeated a strong player like Sheth is playing into this series. I can only imagine his confidence is much higher now.
And it would need to be, considering Morrow is lightyears ahead of Sheth. Morrow is on the same Zerg tier as IdrA.
he is not at the same level as idra.
IdrA is no God.
Did I say he was? He doesn't have to be to be better than morrow.
I've seen IdrA brutally lose on his stream to Fenix's banshee harass quickly followed by 1 tank a bunch of marines. I cannot conclude one player to be "better" than another, but I will conclude that Morrow uses better strategies vs aggressive Terrans.
First of all, that's ladder. Second of all, seeing him losing one time is not indicative of anything. Morrow might have lost to that same push, maybe 50% of the time. Just that this time he was able to stop it.
I seriously think people should stop going mad at the person who said that IdrA and MorroW are ''on the same tier''.
Even in a tier, there will be a high and low and -at the moment- IdrA is higher up in this tier. But MorroW is sure as hell catching up, especially in ZvP. His ZvT is probably better than IdrA's at the moment. He also sure as hell is a lot better than Sheth. That he hasn't had ''many chances to show himself'' does not change that, performance-wise.
Just needs a solid ZvZ (which he clearly lacks but IdrA has until recent ZvZ losses in NASL) coupled with a little more consistency and I'd say he might pull ahead of IdrA unless he does something about it.
I like both IdrA and MorroW but really that snapping and putting words in his mouth is just ridiculous fanboyism.
I have to say mr.bitters talks almost identical to incontrol, even in some sayings like "i gotta say:--- So and so is in his back foot---" etc... etc... listen for it
On May 26 2011 12:56 Drazerk wrote: Fenix GGs and wins the series 2-1
Be wary of things like this please if you are giving live reports. I missed the game but was very interested in Sheth vs Fenix. The portion I quoted is easily read as fenix winning 2-1 (with some premature GG BM) but is incorrect given the way the game turned out.
I do thank you for attempting and for the most part successfully keeping me up with the game but it's just…annoying.
On May 26 2011 12:56 Drazerk wrote: Fenix GGs and wins the series 2-1
Be wary of things like this please if you are giving live reports. I missed the game but was very interested in Sheth vs Fenix. The portion I quoted is easily read as fenix winning 2-1 (with some premature GG BM) but is incorrect given the way the game turned out.
I do thank you for attempting and for the most part successfully keeping me up with the game but it's just…annoying.
My the mistake I have Corrected it and Thank you for pointing it out.
Nice to see almost perfect race distribution between the top 30 (T/P/Z 9/11/10). But of course might look very different after the week finishes (Ret the only Liquid player )
Only two more week (3 with this one) very exciting
On May 26 2011 12:39 Chicane wrote: I wonder how much Fenix having just defeated a strong player like Sheth is playing into this series. I can only imagine his confidence is much higher now.
And it would need to be, considering Morrow is lightyears ahead of Sheth. Morrow is on the same Zerg tier as IdrA.
he is not at the same level as idra.
Yeah, it's not like Morrow has ever beaten Idra on a tournament level with solid play...
*rolls eyes*
Pre-nerf reaper abuse is solid play?
Yes. Just because it was imba doesn't mean it wasn't solid.
On May 26 2011 13:17 Elem wrote: I seriously think people should stop going mad at the person who said that IdrA and MorroW are ''on the same tier''.
Even in a tier, there will be a high and low and -at the moment- IdrA is higher up in this tier. But MorroW is sure as hell catching up, especially in ZvP. His ZvT is probably better than IdrA's at the moment. He also sure as hell is a lot better than Sheth. That he hasn't had ''many chances to show himself'' does not change that, performance-wise.
Just needs a solid ZvZ (which he clearly lacks but IdrA has until recent ZvZ losses in NASL) coupled with a little more consistency and I'd say he might pull ahead of IdrA unless he does something about it.
I like both IdrA and MorroW but really that snapping and putting words in his mouth is just ridiculous fanboyism.
morrows ZvP is the best in europe, while idra was crying how impossible this match up is, morrow developed ling bling drop infestor play and rapes everyone now (in swe wcg he destroyed naniwa)
anyway both player are great and any of them can be better or worser then the other one, it all depends on their shape of that day ... the only thing u can say is that nestea is better then them
Although I put idra ahead of Morrow at the moment, the fact that Morrow is now living in the Swedish practice house can only help him, lets not forget he started Zerg months after Idra
On May 26 2011 13:25 heaven- wrote: I have to say mr.bitters talks almost identical to incontrol, even in some sayings like "i gotta say:--- So and so is in his back foot---" etc... etc... listen for it
As long as he doesn't start saying "to a certain extent" or something about the cosmos aligning to make his predictions wrong, I'm not hearing the similarity yet
Where can I find the tournament setup of NASL actually? How many players advance per group, what kind of knockout system is there etc? I couldn't find anything about this on the NASL website, if someone could PM me i'd be very thankful.
On May 26 2011 13:25 heaven- wrote: I have to say mr.bitters talks almost identical to incontrol, even in some sayings like "i gotta say:--- So and so is in his back foot---" etc... etc... listen for it
Interesting observation, I haven't noticed it but it's totally possible Bitter got some of his casting inspiration from MrGeoff.
Just wanted to drop in and say, Mr Bitter is an absolute natural. I know he's probably used to talking about SC on his stream, but a live experience is a little different and he's already great at it. Awesome awesome awesome.
On May 27 2011 02:27 Milvus wrote: Big fan of TLO but he really needs to take a decisive look and training at his macro
More like he needs to not me dead tired when playing these matches TT. He just casted and did TL:attack on saturday and then did his 24 hour doc thing on sunday. When he was more rested, he beat
Didnt see games vs Moon, but something else to keep in mind is that Darios TvT is FAR better than his TvZ, his TvT is downright MONSTROUS at times really, so much natural affinity for that mu.
On May 27 2011 02:27 Milvus wrote: Big fan of TLO but he really needs to take a decisive look and training at his macro
More like he needs to not me dead tired when playing these matches TT. He just casted and did TL:attack on saturday and then did his 24 hour doc thing on sunday. When he was more rested, he beat
His play was simply uncoordinated and overall messy. I've been watching his stream and he can deffo play way, way more solid than he did vs Moon. Pity that he played the series and couldn't bring his 'a-game' (for whatever reasons).
On May 27 2011 02:27 Milvus wrote: Big fan of TLO but he really needs to take a decisive look and training at his macro
More like he needs to not me dead tired when playing these matches TT. He just casted and did TL:attack on saturday and then did his 24 hour doc thing on sunday. When he was more rested, he beat
On May 27 2011 02:34 Liquid`Jinro wrote: Didnt see games vs Moon, but something else to keep in mind is that Darios TvT is FAR better than his TvZ, his TvT is downright MONSTROUS at times really, so much natural affinity for that mu.
Its like, whatever he does makes so much sense :p
Such a shame for him there are 2 other matchups too Ur right tho, his TvT is sick hopefully TLO can get TvZ and PvZ on the same level one day.
On May 27 2011 04:22 pred470r wrote: Mr.Bitter is a pretty good commentator, I like his voice, and the fact that he doesn't chit-chat to much with stupid jokes.
Yeah he is a pretty high ranked Zerg himself and he knows quite alot of the game and since he talks to the pros that play all the other races he knows alot of their tactics aswell.
Gotta give it to MrBitter here, I always enjoyed his 12 weeks with the pros things, and he casted this Amaaaaazingly. Really, really big props to him! Would really love to see him cast more stuff.
EPT
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