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baoluvboa
743 Posts
On December 23 2010 21:35 IdrA wrote: we can be pretty sure anyone woulda won gsl like 30 times so far if they got to play vs z every time which is why zerg won twice.. | ||
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Maskedsatyr
Singapore1245 Posts
On December 23 2010 21:31 sleepingdog wrote: And now the scissors have owned the rocks (hydras) too....lesson of today: With enough scissors you can even cut stone. Hydras aren't really the counter to nix. They happen to be light armour too. Fungal+hydras however... | ||
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ch0c0b0fr34k
United States452 Posts
On December 23 2010 21:35 Elwar wrote: He never kited with them in that game though. In fact even in top-level games you rarely see players kite with phoenixes vs. mutas. Its actually not all that easy to do IMO (maintaining the 1range advantage without exceeding it since phoenixes decelerate fast). I never said anything about hard or easy lol. I said phoenix micro is very elegant, kinda like a dance. | ||
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FataLe
New Zealand4481 Posts
On December 23 2010 21:34 Erandorr wrote: Yeah this is actually very hard with phoenix.. what you need to do is spamm move commands on the map and not be confused that they still shoot at the enemies, since most units dont do that. Then you "box" the hurt phoenix', or if have apm higher than 50 select them individually and put them in the back. Took me minutes to perfect that . You're very skilled well done. | ||
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AndAgain
United States2621 Posts
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Cyanocyst
2222 Posts
On December 23 2010 21:34 ch0c0b0fr34k wrote: I said, "Phoenix micro is beautiful" you asked "What micro?" I told you the micro. you tell me.....micro is easier? what? You miss quoted your own quote lol. you said "phoenix outrange mutalisk. similar to terran banshee micro but alot more fluid" Greater range, of a particular unit makes it easier to micro vs other units of lesser range. | ||
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Elwar
953 Posts
On December 23 2010 21:35 IdrA wrote: we can be pretty sure anyone woulda won gsl like 30 times so far if they got to play vs z every time Have you considered switching races? Honest question. Even if Z is buffed in the future it'll still be a chore to play where the tempo is in your opponents hands. | ||
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Tachion
Canada8573 Posts
On December 23 2010 21:35 IdrA wrote: we can be pretty sure anyone woulda won gsl like 30 times so far if they got to play vs z every time Not all of them trip down ramps  | ||
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ParasitJonte
Sweden1768 Posts
On December 23 2010 21:35 IdrA wrote: we can be pretty sure anyone woulda won gsl like 30 times so far if they got to play vs z every time LoL. You're bitter  | ||
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wintergt
Belgium1335 Posts
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ch0c0b0fr34k
United States452 Posts
On December 23 2010 21:37 Cyanocyst wrote: You miss quoted your own quote lol. you said "phoenix outrange mutalisk. similar to terran banshee micro but alot more fluid" Greater range, of a particular unit makes it easier to micro vs other units or lesser range. yeah, i haven't in any post argued about the simplicity of micro-ing. Again, you asked "What micro?" I gave you an example of how phoenix can be microed (if u cant add 2+2 i dunno man) // longer range / short range = micro is involved You reply with "micro is easier"....so now you know there's micro involved (notice I dont say anything about the ease of micro-ing. . That's that. | ||
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DarKFoRcE
Germany1215 Posts
Watching the gisado games doesnt make it any better | ||
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sleepingdog
Austria6145 Posts
On December 23 2010 21:36 Maskedsatyr wrote: Hydras aren't really the counter to nix. They happen to be light armour too. Fungal+hydras however... What I meant was simply that it's all a matter of how much stuff you have - if you get hydras faster and in greater numbers (leenock continued to produce mutas after the initial heavy loss) then phoenixes don't stand a chance. But if you get the advantage with phoenixes, you can just keep on pumping them and don't have to bother transitioning into colossi. On December 23 2010 21:39 DarKFoRcE wrote: I kinda disliked idras bitterness for a long time, but i fully understand him here. In the last days i've also been considering to try out another race for quite a few times :/ Watching the gisado games doesnt make it any better Although all the constant QQ in LR-threads gets annoying, I'm highly interested why zerg-qq comes back now...AGAIN...even before the new patch. I'd fully understand (and even as a protoss player support) a nerf of phoenixes after they get buffed in the new patch to revert them to their status quo. But what changed, especially in PvZ, in the last days/weeks that makes it toss favoured again? Even after the roach buff and zealot nerf? | ||
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Erandorr
2283 Posts
:d no i didnt mean it like that .. all i wanted to say that for me at least its easier to control that nearly everything else | ||
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BritishBeef
United Kingdom372 Posts
Not that the gracken needs defending zerg developed faster then the other two races due to there "limited options" its pretty clear what a zerg will be doing 99% ofgames reacting and surving where as the other races are still coming up with tons of new timings to crush us.. the first GSL was really FD winning not really zerg it was clear cut that at that point in time he was a clear mile above any other player stratigically.. but now that this zerg phase is over .. Zerg feels weak at times. just what i think.. ! guess not that it matterz! | ||
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FataLe
New Zealand4481 Posts
On December 23 2010 21:37 Cyanocyst wrote: You miss quoted your own quote lol. you said "phoenix outrange mutalisk. similar to terran banshee micro but alot more fluid" Greater range, of a particular unit makes it easier to micro vs other units of lesser range. You're misunderstanding him. All he was saying was that there was micro because the other user (you?) asked what micro? Being hard or not he answered your question. | ||
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Elefanto
Switzerland3584 Posts
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Cyanocyst
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Telcontar
United Kingdom16710 Posts
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ch0c0b0fr34k
United States452 Posts
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