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Essentia
Profile Joined July 2010
1150 Posts
December 22 2010 12:41 GMT
#281
On December 22 2010 21:40 IdrA wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 22 2010 21:39 Essentia wrote:
On December 22 2010 21:39 IdrA wrote:
On December 22 2010 21:38 Killmouse wrote:
On December 22 2010 21:37 IdrA wrote:
On December 22 2010 21:33 OutlaW- wrote:
mvp is too good
almost makes this stream boring

mvp has nothing to do with the results so far


so u think Terra imba ? lol

no
but zerg is fucking horrible


do you mean the zerg players are horrible or the race?

the race


idra if you HAD to switch races, would u pick toss or terran at this point in time?

(just curious)
netherDrake
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Singapore1831 Posts
December 22 2010 12:42 GMT
#282
Did Nestea pick SoW? What?
SC2 player for Flash eSports. twitch.tv/nether_drake, https://twitter.com/bryan_sum, http://www.facebook.com/pages/Bryan-Drake-Sum/468389706519567
FataLe
Profile Joined November 2010
New Zealand4556 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-12-22 12:54:39
December 22 2010 12:42 GMT
#283
On December 22 2010 21:39 rift wrote:
Greg Fields: will he build an infestor?
Will any of them?

Zenio built infestors.
Nullified by Siege Tanks bro.

Edit: Oh sorry, "bro" is a very commonly used word in New Zealand (slang) if you thought I was bringing in 4chan crap into TL then you are sorely mistaken, mod.
User was warned for this post
hi. big fan.
Dingotrold
Profile Joined July 2010
Denmark622 Posts
December 22 2010 12:42 GMT
#284
On December 22 2010 21:40 Mr. Nefarious wrote:
I really hope IdrA stomps MVP with some surprising builds. I'm sick of seeing the best Zergs in the world lose to vanilla marine/tank. While it's certainly a legitimate strategy, it seems like now that many pro players can properly execute marine micro it almost completely nullifies the baneling. I just watched Nestea lose about 50 banelings to about 20 marines and two tanks, one of which wasn't even sieged. When the best players in the world can't take a single game off of a talented terran player on their best maps... I'm genuinely concerned for the state of the game.


Well, NesTea DID run his banelings single-file style past sieged tanks to catch up to marines stimming and running away. You could see their troll-faces from here while the tanks were having a field day.

There are obviously things that you can do against this stuff, it's just hard as fuck. These zerg players need to play themselves out, instead of attacking sieged tanks.
Soft is the blade that is the heart || 万歳!
Asha
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom38257 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-12-22 12:43:51
December 22 2010 12:43 GMT
#285
On December 22 2010 21:39 FataLe wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 22 2010 21:36 Krallin wrote:
Just out of curiosity, who took MVP out of GSL3 ?

Last night in the YGosu Tournament, Choya beat MVP again but this time he was just outplayed, read perfectly, countered beautifully. Perhaps Choya is better than most think.


I think we learnt Choya was better than most thought when he played that series vs Jinro, silly mistake in the fifth game but he handled himself pretty well outside of that. Worth noting actually that MvP lost to Protoss (choya) and Terran (clide) in ygosu, but absolutely crushed the Zerg (Cezanne) who ended up winning the group.

I'd like NesTea to get a game here...and since you seem to browsing this thread, good luck when you play Idra.
FataLe
Profile Joined November 2010
New Zealand4556 Posts
December 22 2010 12:43 GMT
#286
On December 22 2010 21:41 derppp wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 22 2010 21:37 IdrA wrote:
On December 22 2010 21:33 OutlaW- wrote:
mvp is too good
almost makes this stream boring

mvp has nothing to do with the results so far

he was way better than you in bw and he probably is in sc2, you've got nothing on him
ps.
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You live up to your name.
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OutlaW-
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Czech Republic5053 Posts
December 22 2010 12:43 GMT
#287
On December 22 2010 21:41 Essentia wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 22 2010 21:40 IdrA wrote:
On December 22 2010 21:39 Essentia wrote:
On December 22 2010 21:39 IdrA wrote:
On December 22 2010 21:38 Killmouse wrote:
On December 22 2010 21:37 IdrA wrote:
On December 22 2010 21:33 OutlaW- wrote:
mvp is too good
almost makes this stream boring

mvp has nothing to do with the results so far


so u think Terra imba ? lol

no
but zerg is fucking horrible


do you mean the zerg players are horrible or the race?

the race


idra if you HAD to switch races, would u pick toss or terran at this point in time?

(just curious)

about 3 months ago in an interview with artosis (u can find it on artosistv i believe) he said that he played terran at the start and didn't like it, he said he would most probably switch to protoss
Delete your post underage b&. You're incestuous for you're onee-chan so you're clearly not a bad guy, but others might not agree
Byzantium
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States423 Posts
December 22 2010 12:44 GMT
#288
Game 2 on Steppes of War (really?)

Nestea opens gas before pool and expands only after zerglings are out. MVP goes 1 rax CC.

MVP also loves his early-game spam, going over 400 in-game APM for a few seconds while his first depot was building.
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Asta
Profile Joined October 2002
Germany3491 Posts
December 22 2010 12:45 GMT
#289
On December 22 2010 21:38 Killmouse wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 22 2010 21:37 IdrA wrote:
On December 22 2010 21:33 OutlaW- wrote:
mvp is too good
almost makes this stream boring

mvp has nothing to do with the results so far


so u think Terra imba ? lol


ugh...


You do realize that there do exist more than one map and more than one strategy, right? Even if there is one situation that is completely broken, it can't necessarily be properly described with "Terra imba . lol".
That would only be the case if there was a deterministic way for the beneficiary to reach that situation on every map.
On the other hand, even a "balanced" match up can be utterly broken.
ZeNd0kUn
Profile Joined October 2010
United States331 Posts
December 22 2010 12:46 GMT
#290
Fruitdealer picks Jungle Basin, Nestea picks Steppes of War ... very logical choices.
"Do not judge by appearances, but judge with right judgment." - Jesus
Mr. Nefarious
Profile Joined December 2010
United States515 Posts
December 22 2010 12:47 GMT
#291
On December 22 2010 21:40 OutlaW- wrote:
why is zerg terrible


Play as zerg for a week. When I started SCII I played as terran and I felt like I took games off of better players then myself with a basic MM stim push, or a slow tank push. Now as a zerg player, I routinely feel like I lose to players much worse than myself because of cheesy crap, decent marine micro (Press T and run away) or not having any fucking units that actually attack air except for the hydra which is pretty much a joke. Playing as a Zerg player is like walking a tightrope, do it correctly and you look like a genius, however even the slightest mistake will cost you the game as well as quite of few things completely out of your control.
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Killmouse
Profile Joined August 2010
Austria5700 Posts
December 22 2010 12:47 GMT
#292
On December 22 2010 21:45 Asta wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 22 2010 21:38 Killmouse wrote:
On December 22 2010 21:37 IdrA wrote:
On December 22 2010 21:33 OutlaW- wrote:
mvp is too good
almost makes this stream boring

mvp has nothing to do with the results so far


so u think Terra imba ? lol


ugh...


You do realize that there do exist more than one map and more than one strategy, right? Even if there is one situation that is completely broken, it can't necessarily be properly described with "Terra imba . lol".
That would only be the case if there was a deterministic way for the beneficiary to reach that situation on every map.
On the other hand, even a "balanced" match up can be utterly broken.


what re u talkin about?..

i didnt say terran imba, i said if he thinks that terran is imba since he said "mvp has nothing to do with the results so far"
yo
FataLe
Profile Joined November 2010
New Zealand4556 Posts
December 22 2010 12:48 GMT
#293
On December 22 2010 21:45 Asta wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 22 2010 21:38 Killmouse wrote:
On December 22 2010 21:37 IdrA wrote:
On December 22 2010 21:33 OutlaW- wrote:
mvp is too good
almost makes this stream boring

mvp has nothing to do with the results so far


so u think Terra imba ? lol


ugh...


You do realize that there do exist more than one map and more than one strategy, right? Even if there is one situation that is completely broken, it can't necessarily be properly described with "Terra imba . lol".
That would only be the case if there was a deterministic way for the beneficiary to reach that situation on every map.
On the other hand, even a "balanced" match up can be utterly broken.

I think it's to do with Terran coercing the Z into those Broken situations.
hi. big fan.
CalmDown.Breathe
Profile Joined June 2010
United States176 Posts
December 22 2010 12:48 GMT
#294
LOL MVP BATTLECRUISERRR
Rouel
Profile Joined March 2009
Sweden138 Posts
December 22 2010 12:49 GMT
#295
Cattlebruisers ftw!
BritishBeef
Profile Joined November 2010
United Kingdom372 Posts
December 22 2010 12:49 GMT
#296
On December 22 2010 21:45 Asta wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 22 2010 21:38 Killmouse wrote:
On December 22 2010 21:37 IdrA wrote:
On December 22 2010 21:33 OutlaW- wrote:
mvp is too good
almost makes this stream boring

mvp has nothing to do with the results so far


so u think Terra imba ? lol


ugh...


You do realize that there do exist more than one map and more than one strategy, right? Even if there is one situation that is completely broken, it can't necessarily be properly described with "Terra imba . lol".
That would only be the case if there was a deterministic way for the beneficiary to reach that situation on every map.
On the other hand, even a "balanced" match up can be utterly broken.



I guess the general jist of it is.. if you are a zerg player like me... it really FUCKS you off that when u 15 hatch you have to make a sunken + 10/12 lings to stop something that PROBLY isn't even coming but just incase it does you still have to build it...

Then after terran still has 3/4 options .. expand.. tech...(to either hellions or banshee which are complete opposite responses) or time a all-in

Then to top it off you can't even scout what hes guna do .. sorry for bringing balance into this thread but clearly you are not a zerg player and don't see the ACTUAL problem not theoretical
Essentia
Profile Joined July 2010
1150 Posts
December 22 2010 12:49 GMT
#297
seriously if ppl have never played zerg, try it for 20 games straight. Mechanically it is a million times harder than any other race. You have to constantly scout and prepare for your opponents attacks or units. You have to try to get your economy up while defending early..... if you over produce lings early you can get so far behind that you will lose.

There are so many other reasons zerg is a harder race to play as, and ppl who have never played as zerg really should try it just for fun and get a diff perspective.
IdrA
Profile Blog Joined July 2004
United States11541 Posts
December 22 2010 12:51 GMT
#298
On December 22 2010 21:40 OutlaW- wrote:
why is zerg terrible

because its early game is so bad that other races can fe, be completely safe, and apply dangerous pressure
and because its units are so bad that terran can then build a battle cruiser and still have the rest of his army, minus the bc, be superior to your
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Weavel
Profile Joined January 2010
Finland9223 Posts
December 22 2010 12:52 GMT
#299
MVP is my new favorite terran player. Amazing TvZ
Life/Seed//Mvp/NaNiwa fighting! ZeNEX forever!
Byzantium
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States423 Posts
December 22 2010 12:52 GMT
#300
MVP on 2 bases with marine/tank, attempted banshee harass but with no cloak damage was limited.

Nestea harasses with mutas but MVP is playing oddly passive... because he's built a fusion core. Battlecruiser out for MVP and it's again a tank/marine push but this time with a battlecruiser floating about blasting spine crawlers, overlords, and banelings.

Mutas take down the first BC but there's a second one lumbering towards the tank line.

MVP now pushing Nestea's third. Banelings do damage but there are still tanks and marines left and Nestea has nothing. GG!
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