EPTno.... on carefoots stream, it is showing boxer vs kyrix. He + Show Spoiler +
lost to kyrix already...
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backtoback
Canada1276 Posts
no.... on carefoots stream, it is showing boxer vs kyrix. He + Show Spoiler + | ||
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Al Bundy
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Kyrix (yellow) @ 12" TheWind (red) @ 2" | ||
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Orome
Switzerland11984 Posts
On November 21 2010 12:41 Highways wrote: Is it me or does: Roach >>> Lings/Banes/Hydras ZvZ is gonna be become so one dimensional. MASS ROACH mostly, ling openers beat roach openers early-game. plus you can't forget muta in the equation, which force you into lings, plus infestors are always awesome. plus hydras are great once armies get big and fungal is in play. zvz definitely isn't a one-dimensional mu atm. | ||
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Fa1nT
United States3423 Posts
On November 21 2010 12:43 Durp wrote: LOL I go to post and everyone has said it as well- Hydralisk < Roach Even while fungal growth'ed, and on creep, hydras lose to roaches. Tier 1.5 dominates tier 2? God I hate the roach lol It's not that roaches are super strong, it's Hydra has no health for a 50 gas unit. DPS is not a good trade off in SC2 for being squishy, you need TIME ATTACKING to make the DPS matter. | ||
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EpiK-J
Australia78 Posts
They also do a lot of dps but they need roaches to tank. | ||
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happyness
United States2400 Posts
On November 21 2010 12:43 Kraz.Del wrote: Rofl, you guys are so wrong. Infestor hydra completely rapes roach, especially with the hydra range upgrade. Hydras have one more range than roaches so 10 hydras and 3 infestors can take out 20 roaches. The problem with this game was that kyrix was constantly reinforcing instead of just having a few battles. This wore down the numbers and made fungal growth less effective. I think it was too early in the game also for hydra/infestor to be fully effective. Thewind needed more infestors. | ||
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Orome
Switzerland11984 Posts
On November 21 2010 12:43 Gezz wrote: I'm no ZvZ expert, but isn't it widely considered a bad thing to spread creep in that match up? (obviously not connecting the nat and main is a mistake though, maybe just didnt waste the money on an extra queen?). no, it's good. gives you vision and makes your army movement that much smoother. especiall when you've got infestors/hydras. | ||
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blade55555
United States17423 Posts
On November 21 2010 12:43 Durp wrote: LOL I go to post and everyone has said it as well- Hydralisk < Roach Even while fungal growth'ed, and on creep, hydras lose to roaches. Tier 1.5 dominates tier 2? God I hate the roach lol If the roaches are fungled Hydra will shoot them and Roach can't fire back due to range  | ||
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Durp
Canada3117 Posts
On November 21 2010 12:43 happyness wrote: Macro is the ability to create units, and kyrix clearly had more. Kyrix PURPOSEFULLY didn't spread creep because he was going roaches and the wind was going hydra(w/queens and other stuff), and creep spread favors hydras more than anything. I really don't think that was clear- hydralisks cost twice as much as roaches, and are easier to produce. Given the similar numbers of roaches to hydras (when they first engaged, and there were infestors for theWind) it seems even more obvious he macro'ed better. Kept an equal army of more expensive/higher tech units, better creep spread, faster expo saturation- I was under the impression that defined macro... And not spreading creep across map is one thing. Not even connecting your mains so your queens can transfer, that's another. | ||
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ZenDeX
Philippines2916 Posts
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MrCon
France29748 Posts
On November 21 2010 12:42 Daray wrote: proxy pylon in the platform behind his nat and he didn't even have stim in time because he saw that tester was expanding. Not everything is black and white. oh but I agree with you on that  | ||
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backtoback
Canada1276 Posts
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darmousseh
United States3437 Posts
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Aegeis
United States1619 Posts
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wintergt
Belgium1335 Posts
On November 21 2010 12:45 EpiK-J wrote: hydras are good. They rape mutas They also do a lot of dps but they need roaches to tank. He did use roach+hydra after his first attack failed but still got beaten by the just roaches. Kyrix just stutter stepped his roached into the roach-hydra army and with their range 4 they win anyway. Atleast here. On November 21 2010 12:48 backtoback wrote: i don't get it! Is he restreaming kyrix vs boxer or the new games? I am so confused! Use this... http://www.ustream.tv/channel/datyoman | ||
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The.Imperator
138 Posts
On November 21 2010 12:35 MrCon wrote: doesn't matter in this argument, he says that tester can't punish a 1 rax fe with a 4 gate, that was proved wrong, the fact that tester was able to expand while killing foxer is showing this even more strongly. I don't see how game 1 has anything to do with what I said. In that game both went for FE , Foxer didn't scout the proxy pylon in the most obvious place ever and therefore he was not prepared for it at all and got totally owned. | ||
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happyness
United States2400 Posts
On November 21 2010 12:46 Durp wrote: I really don't think that was clear- hydralisks cost twice as much as roaches, and are easier to produce. Given the similar numbers of roaches to hydras (when they first engaged, and there were infestors for theWind) it seems even more obvious he macro'ed better. Kept an equal army of more expensive/higher tech units, better creep spread, faster expo saturation- I was under the impression that defined macro... He was at a higher tech but he had less units. I guess I would have to look at the game but I think their macro is pretty comprable to each other's. My point was that Kyrix didnt creep spread because it wouldnt have been advantageous for him. | ||
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Daray
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McDonalds
Liechtenstein2244 Posts
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peeeky
Canada631 Posts
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