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Boundz(DarKo)
Profile Joined March 2009
5311 Posts
October 03 2010 00:26 GMT
#3621
Great games! Cool is just awesome reading the terran gameplay.
PartyBiscuit
Profile Joined September 2010
Canada4525 Posts
October 03 2010 00:31 GMT
#3622
Really glad Cool won it, I really think it needed to be him of all people to have taken the first GSL preseason. Still, I think it should've been a touch closer, like a 4-2 series. ITR seemed just shaken on scrap, letting his rax get smashed TWICE.
the farm ends here
nepeta
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
1872 Posts
October 03 2010 00:42 GMT
#3623
Good to see the hive is still being served Zerg forever hwaiting!!!
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McFoo
Profile Joined April 2010
United Kingdom180 Posts
October 03 2010 00:54 GMT
#3624
I figured out why FruitDealer is so much greater than the competition.
+ Show Spoiler +
It's the fruit.
Maeldun
Profile Joined May 2010
Australia169 Posts
October 03 2010 01:42 GMT
#3625
Never ever seen a SC2 player play like that before. It reminded me of a BW pro, multitasking and not missing a thing. People say ITR played bad. Really Fruit Dealer just shut him the fuck down. Hard. He was pretty flawless. ITR should have changed his style, yeah. But who's to say Fruit Dealer couldn't manage other styles of play as well? I think the result would have been much the same, if perhaps a little closer, even if ITR did some of the plays all these TL elitists say he should have done. Fruit Dealer was just in the zone, at the top of his game. In the interview he said he played at 130%, and it certainly showed.
JinDesu
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States3990 Posts
October 03 2010 01:48 GMT
#3626
On October 03 2010 10:42 Maeldun wrote:
Never ever seen a SC2 player play like that before. It reminded me of a BW pro, multitasking and not missing a thing. People say ITR played bad. Really Fruit Dealer just shut him the fuck down. Hard. He was pretty flawless. ITR should have changed his style, yeah. But who's to say Fruit Dealer couldn't manage other styles of play as well? I think the result would have been much the same, if perhaps a little closer, even if ITR did some of the plays all these TL elitists say he should have done. Fruit Dealer was just in the zone, at the top of his game. In the interview he said he played at 130%, and it certainly showed.


I agree with this part, especially if ITR has to use a style he has not practiced as much, and would cause more mistakes (i.e. that reaper build).
Yargh
eshlow
Profile Joined June 2008
United States5210 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-10-03 03:01:21
October 03 2010 03:00 GMT
#3627
On October 03 2010 03:27 Chen wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 03 2010 03:19 DeckOneBell wrote:
On October 03 2010 02:43 Caphe wrote:
On October 03 2010 02:43 Caphe wrote:
On October 03 2010 02:02 Jaguro wrote:
Cool is now like the richest progamer out there. I bet haha

New to SC scence?
Famous SC1 progamer make 200K+ a year(that's w/o all the tourney prize) on salary alone.



If by famous you mean S-class, which means, probably, the top 10 or so players. There's some actual statistics on it, but the gaps between the highest paid players and the average players is huuuge.

Cool's not the richest, but 85k for a month long tournament is pretty impressive. Assuming he lands in the money for a couple other GSLs, he'll be pulling in quite a ridiculous amount.

there are not 10 S-class players >.>
A-class is a good estimate. people like kwanro etc still make a decent 50-60K USD a year. so over 2-3 years they have earned more than cool.
S-class players like Flash/Jaedong/Bisu make a shitton. discounting tournament winnings they make 200k a year.


Flash is somewhere in the 350-400k USD range with his salary winnings + 1st and 2nd places.... THIS YEAR ALONE. He's won 4 golds, 2 silvers + 180k salary. MSL/OSL wins are about 35-40k each and silvers are 15-20k IIRC. At least I think it's 180k or so for salary... it might be around 230k actually.


Congrats to Cool. Very impressed by his play.
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Blyadischa
Profile Joined April 2010
419 Posts
October 03 2010 03:02 GMT
#3628
It sucks being a progamer, making so much money only to not spend it and continue playing 10 hours a day and living in a practice house.
Itzeddiieee
Profile Joined May 2010
Korea (South)787 Posts
October 03 2010 03:16 GMT
#3629
that women was hitting on cool at the end LOL
the trophy is so baller
junemermaid
Profile Joined September 2006
United States981 Posts
October 03 2010 03:37 GMT
#3630
whatever cool is eating, i want some. ITR was clearly outplayed. Just not even on Cool's level.

I think the only reason why he lost the 4th game was because he tried to defend his gold expansion. Didn't need to sacrifice everything there, especially nuking just one tank with about 10 banelings.

Other than that, Cool has such amazing game sense that ITR didn't really have a chance after the pace was established.

Very impressed by his play.
the UMP says YER OUT
Techno
Profile Joined June 2010
1900 Posts
October 03 2010 03:51 GMT
#3631
Im happy a zerg player won. I think we all are.
Hell, its awesome to LOSE to nukes!
wintergt
Profile Joined February 2010
Belgium1335 Posts
October 03 2010 03:54 GMT
#3632
On October 03 2010 07:52 Boundless wrote:
It wasn't necessarily "bad", it was just not "finals" level. He didn't play S-class, he played A-class. In the first two games, he went for cutesy harass tactics that Cool repeatedly shut down. However, he continued to go for them, and Cool happily warded them off.

ITR didn't do any of the things that really punishes Zerg, and didn't exploit any of the timings that Terran can pull off when the Zerg player is still in the "early game" stage; this stage is the one at which the Zerg race is very weak. Cool 14 hatched four out of the five games IIRC (four out of five for sure), and ITR did not adapt. He continued to let Cool tech, allowing him to speed to the stage of the game where Zerg is strong.

Case in point. TheLittleOne uses a refinery first build against Zerg that gets an insanely fast Hellion. If the Zerg player is going 14 hatch, then he is almost guaranteed to lose 4-5 drones before he can defend. From there, the Terran can take his natural at his leisure, because he has the units (Hellions) that hard counter the units (Zerglings) that the Zerg player can only make for at least 2-3 minutes. Then tech to Marauder/Thor, get turrets to fend off mutas, push, and win the game.

I would have liked ITR to go for some early attack build like this, since Cool demonstrated his willingness to keep 14 hatching. However, he stuck to hard harass builds until game 4. He then goes for 3 rax mass marine timing push, only to have it stopped by Cool going for an early baneling nest (this was pure luck). However, he manages to win game 4. Instead of saying "Wow, that actually worked" and sticking with it, goes back to his harass builds in G5, and Cool runs him over.

Just not smart.

Nice armchair analysis.. he did a tank ledge drop on LT, proxy reaper, early mass marine push.. and before this his strategies OHOK'd everyone.. what were you expecting exactly?
here i am
Tanatos
Profile Joined April 2010
United States381 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-10-03 04:22:03
October 03 2010 04:18 GMT
#3633
Awesome games!
Thank you Tastosis! You guys are awesome!
Let there be shine!
MockHamill
Profile Joined March 2010
Sweden1798 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-10-03 06:40:59
October 03 2010 06:27 GMT
#3634
How/Where can I watch the matches with English commentary or no commentary instead of Korean comments?
TheNessman
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States4158 Posts
October 03 2010 07:54 GMT
#3635
Where can i watch the mathces with KOREAN commentary even????
~~! youtube.com/xmungam1 !~~
Looky
Profile Joined April 2010
United States1608 Posts
October 03 2010 08:08 GMT
#3636
cool pretty much owned everybody except ogstop.
thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
October 03 2010 08:10 GMT
#3637
On October 03 2010 16:54 TheNessman wrote:
Where can i watch the mathces with KOREAN commentary even????


not sure how you've made it through this thread without already knowing the answer....

unless you haven't tried looking it up yourself. you should probably put more effort into it before asking for help.
"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
axwell
Profile Joined June 2010
62 Posts
October 03 2010 08:10 GMT
#3638
the presentating chick is hot
FlashIsHigh
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States474 Posts
October 03 2010 08:59 GMT
#3639
On October 03 2010 12:51 Techno wrote:
Im happy a zerg player won. I think we all are.

I dont think you can say that, i was rooting for ITR as was 'many' others but im guessing 'most' people wanted a zerg a to win.
KT Flash// WhiteRa/Scarlett/Naniwa/MC/Huk/Nony
thopol
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
Japan4560 Posts
October 03 2010 09:15 GMT
#3640
I've been thinking about it. It's like Flash doing his 14CC and not getting punished and then going ahead with an advantage. That's how most of those games were. The only reason I liken it to Flash was that there was the proxy rax vs 15hatch which should have been a BO win but was rebuffed nonetheless. ITR wasn't playing particularly badly, just getting his much needed aggression stifled by immaculate defense. He was also getting read like a book so that type of thing was possible.

Good series overall. Having a clear winner and a clear loser doesn't necessarily make a bad series. It was some very classy SC2 with a lot of plays that nobody could have expected. I don't think GOM could have expected a better final. It was really enjoyable to watch.
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