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ItanoCircus
Profile Joined January 2013
United States67 Posts
August 16 2013 08:37 GMT
#161
I am highly impressed by the quality of the writeup, the depth undergone (including specific timing windows and objectives vs all MUs), the examples provided, and by the TL Strategy community in general. Although this is a Berlin Wall of text, it is surprisingly dense. I applaud the links to the various parts of the MU as it makes navigating this guide much easier.

My one nitpick is that the font color and size makes it difficult to read. Hah, large text = hard to read? Yes. I liked the dense introductory paragraph's font size much more. HOWEVER, that is a very SMALL detail in an otherwise IMPECCABLE writeup.

Thank you again for your (collective) efforts!
Better to be thought a fool and keep your mouth closed than to open it and remove all doubt.
anatase
Profile Joined May 2010
France532 Posts
August 16 2013 10:16 GMT
#162
impressive write up, the amount of work is tremendous and the guide is very well done.
I am a Z and I will have to hunt you down for providing a full guideline to TvZ to everyone out there.
Unless... unless you do the same for Z!
Damian_SC2
Profile Joined June 2013
Germany8 Posts
August 16 2013 10:38 GMT
#163
"The Terran cry for a TL guide has finally been answered"............. Terran cry??? im not happy with that one.... shame on u!
Whiplash
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
United States2928 Posts
August 16 2013 10:57 GMT
#164
Sick guide, now please do a TvT one :D
Cinematographer / Steadicam Operator. Former Starcraft commentator/player
Ragnarork
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
France9034 Posts
August 16 2013 11:11 GMT
#165
Holy... YES ! Finally a Terran guide !

Thanks so much TL Strategy ! Where can we send donations ?
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ShnAndrei
Profile Joined March 2011
Romania164 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-16 11:18:50
August 16 2013 11:15 GMT
#166
Brilliant guide! Thanks Vaderseven! I can't believe I was still using mech. ...Not anymore!
monk
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States8476 Posts
August 16 2013 11:20 GMT
#167
On August 16 2013 20:11 Ragnarork wrote:
Holy... YES ! Finally a Terran guide !

Thanks so much TL Strategy ! Where can we send donations ?

We're not accepting donations atm, but the author of the guide doesn't have TL+ yet, hint hint. I'm sure you could find a post of his in this thread.
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Nimix
Profile Joined October 2011
France1809 Posts
August 16 2013 11:45 GMT
#168
Awesome <3
Diks
Profile Joined January 2010
Belgium1880 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-16 12:20:56
August 16 2013 12:20 GMT
#169
I'm a zerg and I disapprove this guide
NEEDZMOAR
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
Sweden1277 Posts
August 16 2013 12:32 GMT
#170
On August 15 2013 23:42 Waxangel wrote:
suck it zergs




Pretty much this... Op why do you hate fun?
Dienosore
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Brunei Darussalam622 Posts
August 16 2013 12:52 GMT
#171
What an absolute terrible piece of work

I mean, just look at this weak writing:

Use medivacs and mines to ensure that you do not lose any units. The main target is creep and you should be using medivacs and mines to ensure that you do not lose any units.


The whole thing is riddled with redundancy and repetitiveness.

For the swarm!
Hemling
Profile Joined March 2010
Sweden93 Posts
August 16 2013 12:55 GMT
#172
Thanks alot, ill use some of this to adjust my old reaper hellion opener to the current meta as ive been struggling alot vs the popular roach allins lately
http://eu.battle.net/sc2/en/profile/246845/1/Hemligt/
Jer99
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Canada8157 Posts
August 16 2013 13:05 GMT
#173
Seeing all of these zerg tears makes me a happy terran!
StrategyTaeJa #1 || @TL_Jer99 || "seeker seeked out his seeking"
EngrishTeacher
Profile Blog Joined March 2012
Canada1109 Posts
August 16 2013 13:08 GMT
#174
Nice guide, I just hit high masters (top 3) yesterday playing random, and surprisingly a ton of TvZ wins got me there.

I usually follow up the reaper harass with a widow mine drop (cc factory cc starport) though, and I find it more effective when my zerg opponents aren't at the highest level. You force spores and early lair when the zerg player sees widow mines, and sometimes you even net quite a few drone kills if they aren't watching the minimap.

The damage done (drone kills, forced zerglings & spores) usually allows me to safely take my 3rd behind a few widow mines and some marines, and with the faster starport tech I can constantly drop safely (since no mutas would be out at that timing) or at least scout with the medivac saving a few scans.

Any thoughts on widow mine drops in TvZ?
Sogetsu
Profile Joined July 2011
514 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-16 18:01:03
August 16 2013 14:20 GMT
#175
TBH, even if the guide is aweseome (wich it is), I don't like it, because as Terran I would prefer a new build or something more else, not the most-used mix on the entire metagame, from pros to noobs on Ladder.

Anyway good guide, but please try to do others more useful about builds or mixes that are harder to play, require more skill, or at least are different from the bread and butter on TvZ nowadays =/
Raptor: "Es hora de salvar a los E-Sports..." http://i3.minus.com/ibtne3liprtByB.png
liberate71
Profile Joined October 2011
Australia10252 Posts
August 16 2013 15:01 GMT
#176
This is amazing and just what I needed right now! thank you so much <3
Minelord Stimfestor, also known as karma.
Zygno
Profile Joined August 2012
Austria276 Posts
August 16 2013 15:31 GMT
#177
Wow, thanks a lot TL ! :D
Slashiepie
Profile Joined May 2013
107 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-16 15:59:24
August 16 2013 15:57 GMT
#178
I loved it.
Any plans to do an article with this style for TvP! ?
Gudge
Profile Joined June 2013
542 Posts
August 16 2013 16:00 GMT
#179
such a fantastic guide! keep it up guys!
づ。◕‿‿◕。)づ ・。*。・゜✧・。*・゜゜・✧ *。・゜*✧
SpaceYeti
Profile Joined June 2010
United States723 Posts
August 16 2013 16:18 GMT
#180
Incredible well written. Great work, VaderSeven!
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