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SlayerS_BoxxY
Profile Joined June 2012
United States64 Posts
August 15 2013 23:50 GMT
#141
On August 16 2013 08:25 KarlSiegt wrote:
Modern T vs Z??!..
Ahahahaha.. terran make from beta of Wol marine marauder medivac blind against all , and now is one M more!.. M.M.M.M..


The core unit composition is the same, but the style is quite different actually...
RaiKageRyu
Profile Joined August 2009
Canada4773 Posts
August 15 2013 23:58 GMT
#142
Hell its about time!
Someone call down the Thunder?
TangSC
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada1866 Posts
August 16 2013 00:02 GMT
#143
Amaaaaaazing wow, what a compilation of resources...well written and well structured too.
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Dan26
Profile Blog Joined September 2012
Australia239 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-16 00:36:38
August 16 2013 00:36 GMT
#144
Very well done. Been struggling a bit with Zerg until yesterday when I tried the reaper-hellion into 4M build. That being said it was very rusty and I made lots of mistakes but it was so dam effective it took me by surprise.

Then I read this and thought 'of course...'.
Eat like a King, Train like a Champion, Sleep like a Baby
Nightsz
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Canada398 Posts
August 16 2013 01:15 GMT
#145
YES, finally a cheat code to beat this matchup. I've been struggling for the longest time
bvb
Profile Joined March 2013
22 Posts
August 16 2013 01:25 GMT
#146
Now I just can't wait for the TvP guide!
hansonslee
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States2027 Posts
August 16 2013 01:31 GMT
#147
It's a bad day to be zerg! :'(
Seed's # 1 fan!!! #ForVengeance
ZeromuS
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada13404 Posts
August 16 2013 01:44 GMT
#148
So glad this is finally out! Enjoy it guys!
StrategyRTS forever | @ZeromuS_plays | www.twitch.tv/Zeromus_
y0su
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
Finland7871 Posts
August 16 2013 01:50 GMT
#149
On August 16 2013 10:25 bvb wrote:
Now I just can't wait for the TvP guide!

As soon as there's a good strategy to use in TvP :D
ReachTheSky
Profile Joined April 2010
United States3294 Posts
August 16 2013 02:24 GMT
#150
So i recently got my hands on Hots and this is a huge help! Thanks a lot to everyone involved in making this guide possible.
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ChoDing
Profile Joined November 2009
United States740 Posts
August 16 2013 02:48 GMT
#151
Too many terrans anyways. Should have released this when T was on slump...oh wait never on hots o.o
관광 since 2008. Master of Cheese. God of Heartbreak Ridge.
9-BiT
Profile Blog Joined January 2012
United States1089 Posts
August 16 2013 03:48 GMT
#152
By the numbers boys.
kwark_uk: @father_sc learn to play maybe?
DinosaurPoop
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
687 Posts
August 16 2013 04:20 GMT
#153
Ehh I'm sure you could find a more creative name than "MMMM" or "4M"
Why not give it one of the cool protoss build names, like the "PartinG CHOO CHOO" or the "HuK YOLO Gateway ALLIN"
When cats speak, mice listen.
AxionSteel
Profile Joined January 2011
United States7754 Posts
August 16 2013 04:31 GMT
#154
Superbly written article. Will definitely help fine tune some of my builds!
Great to see a Terran guide for once!!
Defeat
Profile Joined March 2010
United States476 Posts
August 16 2013 05:19 GMT
#155
Under Roach/Baneling The replay: "TaeJa vs Hyun Set 2. From ASUS ROG Summer (Terran Win)" is actually a loss. It isn't marked loss in the replay pack as well.

Other than that I very much appreciate this guide, especially the detail and vods/replays.
"the metagame has really evolved to the point where the best chance to win the metagame is to game the metagame" -Bags
foRGe02
Profile Joined July 2011
United States14 Posts
August 16 2013 05:54 GMT
#156
On August 16 2013 14:19 Defeat wrote:
Under Roach/Baneling The replay: "TaeJa vs Hyun Set 2. From ASUS ROG Summer (Terran Win)" is actually a loss. It isn't marked loss in the replay pack as well.

Other than that I very much appreciate this guide, especially the detail and vods/replays.


Whoops, sorry about that. I'm glad you enjoyed the guide though ^^
SuPerFlyTNT
Profile Joined November 2010
United States145 Posts
August 16 2013 06:43 GMT
#157
Need a perpetually edited guide of this quality for each match-up, for each race, that is always up to date to the current meta, with the most 'standard' playstyle.

Then I could be good.
Every time my fingers touch brains.
DBS
Profile Joined July 2012
515 Posts
August 16 2013 07:18 GMT
#158
On August 16 2013 13:20 DinosaurPoop wrote:
Ehh I'm sure you could find a more creative name than "MMMM" or "4M"
Why not give it one of the cool protoss build names, like the "PartinG CHOO CHOO" or the "HuK YOLO Gateway ALLIN"


These names have been around for almost as long as the composition has been, it wouldn't make sense for them to make up a new name for it.
"a pitchfork is for hay. a trident is for killing bitches." -djwheat
KingofGods
Profile Joined July 2010
Canada1218 Posts
August 16 2013 07:43 GMT
#159
I like to use widow mines to cover my retreat path. Dart in with some mmm near edge of creep and take out creep tumours. When the zerg commit I run back behind my widow mines line. I find it works better for me rather than to have the mines with your army or even ahead of your army where banes can inadvertently blow them up as they are hitting your bio.
monk
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States8476 Posts
August 16 2013 07:50 GMT
#160
On August 16 2013 15:43 SuPerFlyTNT wrote:
Need a perpetually edited guide of this quality for each match-up, for each race, that is always up to date to the current meta, with the most 'standard' playstyle.

Then I could be good.

Unfortunately,this isn't really viable as it would take probably about the equivalent of three people working full time to accomplish.
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