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Did you confuse your replays? I just watched all 3. In 257216 you have FameToFlame playing with 150 APM, putting his Hatch on 1 and his army on 2.
In 56357 and 54901 you have Habit playing at around 80 APM with army on 1 and Hatchery on 4.
As near as I can tell the APM differs by a factor of 2 and the hotkeys are totally different.
I would hardly use this as evidence that the two accounts are played by the same player.
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Dudes... let's me say something.
I'm NeverDie, a protoss GM on EU server. I met Bad_Habit on the ladder, and he won with an early pool. At this time i were looking for an NA account.
Firstly, i BM'd him (understand me, 6 pool is not really skill'd...), but he stayed mannered and we get friends, finally.
15 minutes after i had BM'd him, he even shared his NA account (FameToFlame) with me, regardless to my old rage, when I were not even knowing him.
(no, I'm not the hacker.)
Today, it's one of my best friends, and i cant even imagine that's this guy is the hacker you're talking about.
Anyway, I hope that this message will make you understand that you are wrong accusing him.
NeverDie
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On September 27 2012 03:47 meadbert wrote:Did you confuse your replays? I just watched all 3. In 257216 you have FameToFlame playing with 150 APM, putting his Hatch on 1 and his army on 2. In 56357 and 54901 you have Habit playing at around 80 APM with army on 1 and Hatchery on 4. As near as I can tell the APM differs by a factor of 2 and the hotkeys are totally different. I would hardly use this as evidence that the two accounts are played by the same player.
This!
If Bad Habit is a hacker, he is the most pro hacker there ever was. You don't just change hotkeys/apm just like that. The evidence against him is quite weak and everyone should be considered innocent untill proven guilty.
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I'm sonder, grandmaster on EU. I've been playing against habbit several times when he was active. And i have no intentions of taking any part in this discussion, but after getting owned to his 6 pool, i looked the replays and saw no evidence of any maphack, just very good micro.
I dont really find the evidence against him being valid, since as mentioned before, there is also evidence that he is not a haphacker.
I dont think someone should be banned just because someone thinks he is a maphacker.
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what? unban him because of one evidence proving him innocent? fuck that, too much effort to click unban.
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i still dont understand why he got banned, what page does it start at? after reading his original post in this thread eveyone of his games he scouted. And I don't understand what hacking comes of changing your hotkeys..wtf
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On September 28 2012 03:22 nSgNeverDie wrote:
Dudes... let's me say something.
I'm NeverDie, a protoss GM on EU server. I met Bad_Habit on the ladder, and he won with an early pool. At this time i were looking for an NA account.
Firstly, i BM'd him (understand me, 6 pool is not really skill'd...), but he stayed mannered and we get friends, finally.
15 minutes after i had BM'd him, he even shared his NA account (FameToFlame) with me, regardless to my old rage, when I were not even knowing him.
(no, I'm not the hacker.)
Today, it's one of my best friends, and i cant even imagine that's this guy is the hacker you're talking about.
Anyway, I hope that this message will make you understand that you are wrong accusing him.
NeverDie
Wait, how many people have access to this account? Apparently FlametoFlame is a person(with one post) who claims his account was hacked by some Darkmage character. But the account is also owned by Bad_Habit and loaned out to this guy, who also has very few posts? Which is real? Or are they all just different personalities of Bad_Habit himself, fighting for control? Maybe only one of the personalities is a hacker and the rest have no idea. Though, why would they all know the login for the same battle.net account?
What is real? What is REAL?
On September 28 2012 21:33 Sonder wrote:
I'm sonder, grandmaster on EU. I've been playing against habbit several times when he was active. And i have no intentions of taking any part in this discussion, but after getting owned to his 6 pool, i looked the replays and saw no evidence of any maphack, just very good micro.
I dont really find the evidence against him being valid, since as mentioned before, there is also evidence that he is not a haphacker.
I dont think someone should be banned just because someone thinks he is a maphacker.
And then there is this post by our boy Sonder. His only other post...defending Bad_Habit from claims of stream cheating months ago. He is a very focused member of team Liquid and is only intrested in posting in this thread, specificly about Bad_Habit. All other threads are not worth his time. This personality might be representive of Bad_Habit's ego and guilt, trying to justify and defendant the core personality from attack. It is unclear though, as there are only two posts.
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I don't understand why you posted the troll fight with beasty... He's obviously (with reason) kind of pissed that you 6pooled him, but you just failed to answer the question : What is your pro wc3 name lol?
Anyways I'm confused about this post, not about the 6pool part, I get it, 6pool is good, I get 6pooled all the time in GM, big deal, but your post is kind of twisted with like fame hunger or something.
-.-
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If u wanna check I'm myself, just PM me on battle.net, u can find me in the GM classment.
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All I wanted to know is how to 6-pool effectively, but I stumbled across an interesting discussion about hacking and banning. Weird
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I see no evidence that would suggest Habit is a hacker.
54898 - Habit playing FlametoFame's account. THERE IS NO HACKING IN THIS GAME. 70 APM. Hatch on 4..
256811 - Hacker playing Protoss at 150 APM. Nexus hotkeyed to 5.
256902 - Hacker playing Zerg at 150 APM. Hatch hotkeyed to 5.
257216 - Hacker playing Zerg at 150 APM. Hatch hotkeyed to 1.
56357 - Habit playing Zeg. 80 APM. Hatch hotkeyed to 4.
54901 - Habit playing Zerg. 80 APM. Hatch hotkeyed to 4.
These replays provide no evidence of Habit hacking. We know that Habit once played on an account that is now used for hacking, but it is clear that these are different players. In no two games do Habit and the hacker use the same hotkey for their Nexus/Hatch and their APMs differ by a factor of 2.
Do we have any recent replays of Habit? Is there any evidence that he is even capable of playing at 150 APM?
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On September 28 2012 03:22 nSgNeverDie wrote:
Dudes... let's me say something.
I'm NeverDie, a protoss GM on EU server. I met Bad_Habit on the ladder, and he won with an early pool. At this time i were looking for an NA account.
Firstly, i BM'd him (understand me, 6 pool is not really skill'd...), but he stayed mannered and we get friends, finally.
15 minutes after i had BM'd him, he even shared his NA account (FameToFlame) with me, regardless to my old rage, when I were not even knowing him.
(no, I'm not the hacker.)
Today, it's one of my best friends, and i cant even imagine that's this guy is the hacker you're talking about.
Anyway, I hope that this message will make you understand that you are wrong accusing him.
NeverDie
lol the guy who proxy gates or 4 gates every pvp says 6p is not very skilled. get real son
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On September 30 2012 01:16 Kaitokid wrote:Show nested quote +On September 28 2012 03:22 nSgNeverDie wrote:
Dudes... let's me say something.
I'm NeverDie, a protoss GM on EU server. I met Bad_Habit on the ladder, and he won with an early pool. At this time i were looking for an NA account.
Firstly, i BM'd him (understand me, 6 pool is not really skill'd...), but he stayed mannered and we get friends, finally.
15 minutes after i had BM'd him, he even shared his NA account (FameToFlame) with me, regardless to my old rage, when I were not even knowing him.
(no, I'm not the hacker.)
Today, it's one of my best friends, and i cant even imagine that's this guy is the hacker you're talking about.
Anyway, I hope that this message will make you understand that you are wrong accusing him.
NeverDie
lol the guy who proxy gates or 4 gates every pvp says 6p is not very skilled. get real son
That's wrong, i can also photon rush =)
In fact, i hate PvP, but PvZ & PvT are nice !
Oh, and i think that my gameplay dont have anything to do on this thread, please post only to make feedbacks on Bad_Habit's ban.
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On September 30 2012 00:39 meadbert wrote:I see no evidence that would suggest Habit is a hacker. 54898 - Habit playing FlametoFame's account. THERE IS NO HACKING IN THIS GAME. 70 APM. Hatch on 4.. 256811 - Hacker playing Protoss at 150 APM. Nexus hotkeyed to 5. 256902 - Hacker playing Zerg at 150 APM. Hatch hotkeyed to 5. 257216 - Hacker playing Zerg at 150 APM. Hatch hotkeyed to 1. 56357 - Habit playing Zeg. 80 APM. Hatch hotkeyed to 4. 54901 - Habit playing Zerg. 80 APM. Hatch hotkeyed to 4. These replays provide no evidence of Habit hacking. We know that Habit once played on an account that is now used for hacking, but it is clear that these are different players. In no two games do Habit and the hacker use the same hotkey for their Nexus/Hatch and their APMs differ by a factor of 2. Do we have any recent replays of Habit? Is there any evidence that he is even capable of playing at 150 APM?
I see this as well. Unless there is some new evidence showing habit is a hacker, I'm going to unban him.
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On September 30 2012 01:23 nSgNeverDie wrote:Show nested quote +On September 30 2012 01:16 Kaitokid wrote:On September 28 2012 03:22 nSgNeverDie wrote:
Dudes... let's me say something.
I'm NeverDie, a protoss GM on EU server. I met Bad_Habit on the ladder, and he won with an early pool. At this time i were looking for an NA account.
Firstly, i BM'd him (understand me, 6 pool is not really skill'd...), but he stayed mannered and we get friends, finally.
15 minutes after i had BM'd him, he even shared his NA account (FameToFlame) with me, regardless to my old rage, when I were not even knowing him.
(no, I'm not the hacker.)
Today, it's one of my best friends, and i cant even imagine that's this guy is the hacker you're talking about.
Anyway, I hope that this message will make you understand that you are wrong accusing him.
NeverDie
lol the guy who proxy gates or 4 gates every pvp says 6p is not very skilled. get real son That's wrong, i can also photon rush =) In fact, i hate PvP, but PvZ & PvT are nice ! Oh, and i think that my gameplay dont have anything to do on this thread, please post only to make feedbacks on Bad_Habit's ban.
you play all-in two base in pvz and 4 gates in pvt lol
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AS I SAID, this is not the topic of this thread. But i play 3 bases on PvZ
(nice unban)
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this thread is perfect for ESL beta key contest. They should just link it in their OP
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On September 30 2012 01:29 Plexa wrote:Show nested quote +On September 30 2012 00:39 meadbert wrote:I see no evidence that would suggest Habit is a hacker. 54898 - Habit playing FlametoFame's account. THERE IS NO HACKING IN THIS GAME. 70 APM. Hatch on 4.. 256811 - Hacker playing Protoss at 150 APM. Nexus hotkeyed to 5. 256902 - Hacker playing Zerg at 150 APM. Hatch hotkeyed to 5. 257216 - Hacker playing Zerg at 150 APM. Hatch hotkeyed to 1. 56357 - Habit playing Zeg. 80 APM. Hatch hotkeyed to 4. 54901 - Habit playing Zerg. 80 APM. Hatch hotkeyed to 4. These replays provide no evidence of Habit hacking. We know that Habit once played on an account that is now used for hacking, but it is clear that these are different players. In no two games do Habit and the hacker use the same hotkey for their Nexus/Hatch and their APMs differ by a factor of 2. Do we have any recent replays of Habit? Is there any evidence that he is even capable of playing at 150 APM? I see this as well. Unless there is some new evidence showing habit is a hacker, I'm going to unban him.
also don't forget to remove the very end post of OP where it says something like "user was banned for maphacking"
the OP's icon says unbanned, but the end post still says banned.
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Hello fellar Teamliquidans,
Its very nice to see alot of ppl, believing in me, taking their time to check the replays for any proof against my case.
Its only because of you people that i got unbanned and i am very thankful for that.
Yet i have bad news.
I still feel like this story hurt my reputation and my name alot. all my skype+icq is full of flames against me from people i used to like in the past. :/
Even tho it sadens me alot I will have take some time off from this community and from this game i used to love. i just dont think anything good can come out in the near future. 
But if HotS just got released and you want to try out the new units but never reach them because of some fag 6pooling you every single game. Be certain the "King of Cheese" is back
Farewell, until those days.
For now i am off to a new project, you are more than welcome to follow on:
twitch.tv/cherry_skull (Poker+SM64 Speedruns (completely beginner))
keep it real and dont believe in the things the "terrorists" say.
Over and out.
H to the abit.
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We're going to miss you, guy who cheeses, BM's, and either hacks or lets hackers use his account. You were a such a pleasant addition.
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