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meadbert
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States681 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-26 18:59:22
September 26 2012 18:47 GMT
#901
On September 26 2012 04:42 Ghanburighan wrote:
b) hotkeys in the replay (257216) matching previous uploaded games of Bad_Habit:
http://drop.sc/56357
http://drop.sc/54901

Did you confuse your replays? I just watched all 3. In 257216 you have FameToFlame playing with 150 APM, putting his Hatch on 1 and his army on 2.
In 56357 and 54901 you have Habit playing at around 80 APM with army on 1 and Hatchery on 4.
As near as I can tell the APM differs by a factor of 2 and the hotkeys are totally different.
I would hardly use this as evidence that the two accounts are played by the same player.
nSgNeverDie
Profile Joined March 2012
France13 Posts
September 27 2012 18:22 GMT
#902
Dudes... let's me say something.

I'm NeverDie, a protoss GM on EU server. I met Bad_Habit on the ladder, and he won with an early pool. At this time i were looking for an NA account.

Firstly, i BM'd him (understand me, 6 pool is not really skill'd...), but he stayed mannered and we get friends, finally.

15 minutes after i had BM'd him, he even shared his NA account (FameToFlame) with me, regardless to my old rage, when I were not even knowing him.
(no, I'm not the hacker.)

Today, it's one of my best friends, and i cant even imagine that's this guy is the hacker you're talking about.

Anyway, I hope that this message will make you understand that you are wrong accusing him.

NeverDie
Lazermonkey
Profile Joined June 2011
Sweden2176 Posts
September 27 2012 18:31 GMT
#903
On September 27 2012 03:47 meadbert wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 26 2012 04:42 Ghanburighan wrote:
b) hotkeys in the replay (257216) matching previous uploaded games of Bad_Habit:
http://drop.sc/56357
http://drop.sc/54901

Did you confuse your replays? I just watched all 3. In 257216 you have FameToFlame playing with 150 APM, putting his Hatch on 1 and his army on 2.
In 56357 and 54901 you have Habit playing at around 80 APM with army on 1 and Hatchery on 4.
As near as I can tell the APM differs by a factor of 2 and the hotkeys are totally different.
I would hardly use this as evidence that the two accounts are played by the same player.

This!

If Bad Habit is a hacker, he is the most pro hacker there ever was. You don't just change hotkeys/apm just like that. The evidence against him is quite weak and everyone should be considered innocent untill proven guilty.
Sonder
Profile Joined June 2011
Denmark2 Posts
September 28 2012 12:33 GMT
#904
I'm sonder, grandmaster on EU. I've been playing against habbit several times when he was active. And i have no intentions of taking any part in this discussion, but after getting owned to his 6 pool, i looked the replays and saw no evidence of any maphack, just very good micro.

I dont really find the evidence against him being valid, since as mentioned before, there is also evidence that he is not a haphacker.

I dont think someone should be banned just because someone thinks he is a maphacker.
rei
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States3594 Posts
September 28 2012 13:40 GMT
#905
what? unban him because of one evidence proving him innocent? fuck that, too much effort to click unban.
GET OUT OF MY BASE CHILL
timdoozy
Profile Joined October 2011
United States50 Posts
September 28 2012 14:17 GMT
#906
i still dont understand why he got banned, what page does it start at? after reading his original post in this thread eveyone of his games he scouted. And I don't understand what hacking comes of changing your hotkeys..wtf
"I GOT 2 SPINES MOTHA****, U CANT TOUCH DIS ****, IM ON FIRE ******" -Destiny<3
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
September 28 2012 16:40 GMT
#907
On September 28 2012 03:22 nSgNeverDie wrote:
Dudes... let's me say something.

I'm NeverDie, a protoss GM on EU server. I met Bad_Habit on the ladder, and he won with an early pool. At this time i were looking for an NA account.

Firstly, i BM'd him (understand me, 6 pool is not really skill'd...), but he stayed mannered and we get friends, finally.

15 minutes after i had BM'd him, he even shared his NA account (FameToFlame) with me, regardless to my old rage, when I were not even knowing him.
(no, I'm not the hacker.)

Today, it's one of my best friends, and i cant even imagine that's this guy is the hacker you're talking about.

Anyway, I hope that this message will make you understand that you are wrong accusing him.

NeverDie


Wait, how many people have access to this account? Apparently FlametoFlame is a person(with one post) who claims his account was hacked by some Darkmage character. But the account is also owned by Bad_Habit and loaned out to this guy, who also has very few posts? Which is real? Or are they all just different personalities of Bad_Habit himself, fighting for control? Maybe only one of the personalities is a hacker and the rest have no idea. Though, why would they all know the login for the same battle.net account?

What is real? What is REAL?


On September 28 2012 21:33 Sonder wrote:
I'm sonder, grandmaster on EU. I've been playing against habbit several times when he was active. And i have no intentions of taking any part in this discussion, but after getting owned to his 6 pool, i looked the replays and saw no evidence of any maphack, just very good micro.

I dont really find the evidence against him being valid, since as mentioned before, there is also evidence that he is not a haphacker.

I dont think someone should be banned just because someone thinks he is a maphacker.


And then there is this post by our boy Sonder. His only other post...defending Bad_Habit from claims of stream cheating months ago. He is a very focused member of team Liquid and is only intrested in posting in this thread, specificly about Bad_Habit. All other threads are not worth his time. This personality might be representive of Bad_Habit's ego and guilt, trying to justify and defendant the core personality from attack. It is unclear though, as there are only two posts.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
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crbox
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada1181 Posts
September 28 2012 17:18 GMT
#908
I don't understand why you posted the troll fight with beasty... He's obviously (with reason) kind of pissed that you 6pooled him, but you just failed to answer the question : What is your pro wc3 name lol?

Anyways I'm confused about this post, not about the 6pool part, I get it, 6pool is good, I get 6pooled all the time in GM, big deal, but your post is kind of twisted with like fame hunger or something.

-.-
nSgNeverDie
Profile Joined March 2012
France13 Posts
September 28 2012 17:24 GMT
#909
If u wanna check I'm myself, just PM me on battle.net, u can find me in the GM classment.
SCInfestor
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United States61 Posts
September 29 2012 03:39 GMT
#910
All I wanted to know is how to 6-pool effectively, but I stumbled across an interesting discussion about hacking and banning. Weird
http://www.youtube.com/user/infestedmothership
meadbert
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States681 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-29 15:39:45
September 29 2012 15:39 GMT
#911
On September 26 2012 04:42 Ghanburighan wrote:

The case is closed, Bad_HabitALT didn't manage to find the evidence to overcome a number of damning points against him and in a PM decided to leave it be: "I'll distance from sc2."

The evidence was mainly threefold:

a) replays of Bad_Habit's account FlametoFame hacking:
http://drop.sc/54898
http://drop.sc/256811
http://drop.sc/256902
http://drop.sc/257216

b) hotkeys in the replay (257216) matching previous uploaded games of Bad_Habit:
http://drop.sc/56357
http://drop.sc/54901
The other replays differ only marginally.

c) A number of cases of BM and claiming to hack (although those games were not deemed to be hacking games)
For example: Avilo http://li358-26.members.linode.com/54898

I see no evidence that would suggest Habit is a hacker.

54898 - Habit playing FlametoFame's account. THERE IS NO HACKING IN THIS GAME. 70 APM. Hatch on 4..
256811 - Hacker playing Protoss at 150 APM. Nexus hotkeyed to 5.
256902 - Hacker playing Zerg at 150 APM. Hatch hotkeyed to 5.
257216 - Hacker playing Zerg at 150 APM. Hatch hotkeyed to 1.

56357 - Habit playing Zeg. 80 APM. Hatch hotkeyed to 4.
54901 - Habit playing Zerg. 80 APM. Hatch hotkeyed to 4.


These replays provide no evidence of Habit hacking. We know that Habit once played on an account that is now used for hacking, but it is clear that these are different players. In no two games do Habit and the hacker use the same hotkey for their Nexus/Hatch and their APMs differ by a factor of 2.

Do we have any recent replays of Habit? Is there any evidence that he is even capable of playing at 150 APM?

Kaitokid
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Germany1327 Posts
September 29 2012 16:16 GMT
#912
On September 28 2012 03:22 nSgNeverDie wrote:
Dudes... let's me say something.

I'm NeverDie, a protoss GM on EU server. I met Bad_Habit on the ladder, and he won with an early pool. At this time i were looking for an NA account.

Firstly, i BM'd him (understand me, 6 pool is not really skill'd...), but he stayed mannered and we get friends, finally.

15 minutes after i had BM'd him, he even shared his NA account (FameToFlame) with me, regardless to my old rage, when I were not even knowing him.
(no, I'm not the hacker.)

Today, it's one of my best friends, and i cant even imagine that's this guy is the hacker you're talking about.

Anyway, I hope that this message will make you understand that you are wrong accusing him.

NeverDie


lol the guy who proxy gates or 4 gates every pvp says 6p is not very skilled. get real son
nSgNeverDie
Profile Joined March 2012
France13 Posts
September 29 2012 16:23 GMT
#913
On September 30 2012 01:16 Kaitokid wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 28 2012 03:22 nSgNeverDie wrote:
Dudes... let's me say something.

I'm NeverDie, a protoss GM on EU server. I met Bad_Habit on the ladder, and he won with an early pool. At this time i were looking for an NA account.

Firstly, i BM'd him (understand me, 6 pool is not really skill'd...), but he stayed mannered and we get friends, finally.

15 minutes after i had BM'd him, he even shared his NA account (FameToFlame) with me, regardless to my old rage, when I were not even knowing him.
(no, I'm not the hacker.)

Today, it's one of my best friends, and i cant even imagine that's this guy is the hacker you're talking about.

Anyway, I hope that this message will make you understand that you are wrong accusing him.

NeverDie


lol the guy who proxy gates or 4 gates every pvp says 6p is not very skilled. get real son


That's wrong, i can also photon rush =)

In fact, i hate PvP, but PvZ & PvT are nice !

Oh, and i think that my gameplay dont have anything to do on this thread, please post only to make feedbacks on Bad_Habit's ban.
Plexa
Profile Blog Joined October 2005
Aotearoa39261 Posts
September 29 2012 16:29 GMT
#914
On September 30 2012 00:39 meadbert wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 26 2012 04:42 Ghanburighan wrote:

The case is closed, Bad_HabitALT didn't manage to find the evidence to overcome a number of damning points against him and in a PM decided to leave it be: "I'll distance from sc2."

The evidence was mainly threefold:

a) replays of Bad_Habit's account FlametoFame hacking:
http://drop.sc/54898
http://drop.sc/256811
http://drop.sc/256902
http://drop.sc/257216

b) hotkeys in the replay (257216) matching previous uploaded games of Bad_Habit:
http://drop.sc/56357
http://drop.sc/54901
The other replays differ only marginally.

c) A number of cases of BM and claiming to hack (although those games were not deemed to be hacking games)
For example: Avilo http://li358-26.members.linode.com/54898

I see no evidence that would suggest Habit is a hacker.

54898 - Habit playing FlametoFame's account. THERE IS NO HACKING IN THIS GAME. 70 APM. Hatch on 4..
256811 - Hacker playing Protoss at 150 APM. Nexus hotkeyed to 5.
256902 - Hacker playing Zerg at 150 APM. Hatch hotkeyed to 5.
257216 - Hacker playing Zerg at 150 APM. Hatch hotkeyed to 1.

56357 - Habit playing Zeg. 80 APM. Hatch hotkeyed to 4.
54901 - Habit playing Zerg. 80 APM. Hatch hotkeyed to 4.


These replays provide no evidence of Habit hacking. We know that Habit once played on an account that is now used for hacking, but it is clear that these are different players. In no two games do Habit and the hacker use the same hotkey for their Nexus/Hatch and their APMs differ by a factor of 2.

Do we have any recent replays of Habit? Is there any evidence that he is even capable of playing at 150 APM?


I see this as well. Unless there is some new evidence showing habit is a hacker, I'm going to unban him.
Administrator~ Spirit will set you free ~
Geniuslol
Profile Joined September 2012
Canada1 Post
September 29 2012 22:59 GMT
#915
On September 30 2012 01:23 nSgNeverDie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 30 2012 01:16 Kaitokid wrote:
On September 28 2012 03:22 nSgNeverDie wrote:
Dudes... let's me say something.

I'm NeverDie, a protoss GM on EU server. I met Bad_Habit on the ladder, and he won with an early pool. At this time i were looking for an NA account.

Firstly, i BM'd him (understand me, 6 pool is not really skill'd...), but he stayed mannered and we get friends, finally.

15 minutes after i had BM'd him, he even shared his NA account (FameToFlame) with me, regardless to my old rage, when I were not even knowing him.
(no, I'm not the hacker.)

Today, it's one of my best friends, and i cant even imagine that's this guy is the hacker you're talking about.

Anyway, I hope that this message will make you understand that you are wrong accusing him.

NeverDie


lol the guy who proxy gates or 4 gates every pvp says 6p is not very skilled. get real son


That's wrong, i can also photon rush =)

In fact, i hate PvP, but PvZ & PvT are nice !

Oh, and i think that my gameplay dont have anything to do on this thread, please post only to make feedbacks on Bad_Habit's ban.


you play all-in two base in pvz and 4 gates in pvt lol
lol
nSgNeverDie
Profile Joined March 2012
France13 Posts
September 30 2012 10:18 GMT
#916
AS I SAID, this is not the topic of this thread. But i play 3 bases on PvZ

(nice unban)
Cheerio
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
Ukraine3178 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-30 10:35:57
September 30 2012 10:35 GMT
#917
this thread is perfect for ESL beta key contest. They should just link it in their OP
CodeskyE
Profile Joined January 2011
United States777 Posts
September 30 2012 11:44 GMT
#918
On September 30 2012 01:29 Plexa wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 30 2012 00:39 meadbert wrote:
On September 26 2012 04:42 Ghanburighan wrote:

The case is closed, Bad_HabitALT didn't manage to find the evidence to overcome a number of damning points against him and in a PM decided to leave it be: "I'll distance from sc2."

The evidence was mainly threefold:

a) replays of Bad_Habit's account FlametoFame hacking:
http://drop.sc/54898
http://drop.sc/256811
http://drop.sc/256902
http://drop.sc/257216

b) hotkeys in the replay (257216) matching previous uploaded games of Bad_Habit:
http://drop.sc/56357
http://drop.sc/54901
The other replays differ only marginally.

c) A number of cases of BM and claiming to hack (although those games were not deemed to be hacking games)
For example: Avilo http://li358-26.members.linode.com/54898

I see no evidence that would suggest Habit is a hacker.

54898 - Habit playing FlametoFame's account. THERE IS NO HACKING IN THIS GAME. 70 APM. Hatch on 4..
256811 - Hacker playing Protoss at 150 APM. Nexus hotkeyed to 5.
256902 - Hacker playing Zerg at 150 APM. Hatch hotkeyed to 5.
257216 - Hacker playing Zerg at 150 APM. Hatch hotkeyed to 1.

56357 - Habit playing Zeg. 80 APM. Hatch hotkeyed to 4.
54901 - Habit playing Zerg. 80 APM. Hatch hotkeyed to 4.


These replays provide no evidence of Habit hacking. We know that Habit once played on an account that is now used for hacking, but it is clear that these are different players. In no two games do Habit and the hacker use the same hotkey for their Nexus/Hatch and their APMs differ by a factor of 2.

Do we have any recent replays of Habit? Is there any evidence that he is even capable of playing at 150 APM?


I see this as well. Unless there is some new evidence showing habit is a hacker, I'm going to unban him.



also don't forget to remove the very end post of OP where it says something like "user was banned for maphacking"

the OP's icon says unbanned, but the end post still says banned.



Bad_Habit
Profile Joined August 2011
Germany243 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-30 14:25:15
September 30 2012 14:09 GMT
#919
Hello fellar Teamliquidans,

Its very nice to see alot of ppl, believing in me, taking their time to check the replays for any proof against my case.
Its only because of you people that i got unbanned and i am very thankful for that.

Yet i have bad news.

I still feel like this story hurt my reputation and my name alot. all my skype+icq is full of flames against me from people i used to like in the past. :/
Even tho it sadens me alot I will have take some time off from this community and from this game i used to love. i just dont think anything good can come out in the near future.

But if HotS just got released and you want to try out the new units but never reach them because of some fag 6pooling you every single game. Be certain the "King of Cheese" is back

Farewell, until those days.

For now i am off to a new project, you are more than welcome to follow on:

twitch.tv/cherry_skull (Poker+SM64 Speedruns (completely beginner))

keep it real and dont believe in the things the "terrorists" say.

Over and out.
H to the abit.

I only gg vs protoss when I'm winning
rogzardo
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
610 Posts
September 30 2012 14:34 GMT
#920
We're going to miss you, guy who cheeses, BM's, and either hacks or lets hackers use his account. You were a such a pleasant addition.
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