Spreading overlords over the map in mid game is imo really important. And unless opponent is going straight to some nasty air anti-ovierlord fleet, it is worth risking their lifes for scouting information. Also, really important thing is to remember about dropping creep from them, ideally on expansions that your opponent will want to take in future.

I would also like to hear some ideas how to smuggle changeling into opponent base/army in best way. I am failing with this so badly most of the times;P

Flix

Belgium114 Posts

August 23 2011 10:16 GMT

#22

One key use of Overlords is also to place them around the area of your base and natural to spot incoming drops, spread them to get maximum vision around. Also place one further into the path that a dropship would likely be coming from to give you more time to react. This is really important and someting that I and most zergs don't do enough. I've started doing this ALL the time now and it has greatly improved my ZvT. I hope this comes into the scope of your guide.

EneMal

United Kingdom78 Posts

August 23 2011 15:47 GMT

#23

@DnameIN Added what you said about pooping creep. When it comes to changelings, I find it best to just drop them in their base with the overlord while you scout and spread them as quick as you can like I said in the guide. Also, you can drop one in front of their base and run it in to their army when they are distracted with your overseer!

@Flix I did say you should spread overlords, if you've been doing it well you should be able to spot drops easily by the time they've got medivacs. Just use common sense with placing overlords.EDIT:Noticed I didn't say that was one of the main things to think about when positioning overlords so I added it to my guide.

Thanks for the feedback!

tablet

Finland116 Posts

August 24 2011 12:11 GMT

#24

That's a really nice basic guide on how to scout, even though players that need this kind of help would probably also benefit from tips about what to scout for, ex. no gas opener with terran means prolly 2 rax expo or on some cases 1rax expo or 6rax.

Also you might add poking up the ramp often with zerglings to see unit counts, WG timing and addons. No sentries and no WG chronos will mean some kind of tech cheese whereas lots of sentries are usually 3gate expo, fast reactor means usually hellions etc.

Neverplay

Austria532 Posts

August 24 2011 12:15 GMT

#25

july with a doable RO4 match!

Edit: Sry wrong thread :D

EneMal

United Kingdom78 Posts

August 24 2011 12:46 GMT

#26

Yes, the problem is that there is so much different things a race can do and a zerg can do to react to it, but I will try to add something like that in the future (with pictures I guess) but will be difficult for me =D

Polemarch

Canada1564 Posts

August 24 2011 13:01 GMT

#27

Another tip: 1 second after your opponent moves out (especially little pokes early game), try to sneak a zergling or two up their ramp behind their army. It won't work every time but you can often get complete scouting of their base for a bargain price.

arbitrageur

Australia1202 Posts

August 24 2011 13:04 GMT

#28

Good for diamond and under. There is SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO much you're missing that high level players use.

kickinhead

Switzerland2069 Posts

August 24 2011 13:15 GMT

#29

Really underused trick is IMHO the Mineral-Trick with a drone and a few Zerglings to soak up the initial Zealot-Hit against Protoss wall-in's. If you do it at around 4 mins to 4:30, you can easily get the drone in there and have a decent timing to scout for 4gates...

tablet

Finland116 Posts

August 24 2011 13:34 GMT

#30

On August 24 2011 22:15 kickinhead wrote:
Really underused trick is IMHO the Mineral-Trick with a drone and a few Zerglings to soak up the initial Zealot-Hit against Protoss wall-in's. If you do it at around 4 mins to 4:30, you can easily get the drone in there and have a decent timing to scout for 4gates...

Yeah and you don't even need those lings since the zealot doesn't kill the drone when it goes past. Also I don't think 4gate is worth worrying about anymore, at least I haven't seen it in ages.

MalditoKyo

France76 Posts

August 24 2011 14:47 GMT

#31

Keep up the good work! As a silver zerg, i'm always finding myself clueless about what i just scouted! I'll be definitely watching this thread for more information!

EneMal

United Kingdom78 Posts

August 24 2011 16:00 GMT

#32

Thanks a lot Maldito! I'll keep working on it. Add me btw EneMalicious.963

I'm going to take a picture of a forge fast expand and then work on some other builds =D

EDIT: Builds information removed for now. There is so much work to do if I do all of that. If/When I complete them all, I'll add it to the guide as a package. Still, add me maldito and I'll help you with that!