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Whitewing
Profile Joined October 2010
United States7483 Posts
May 01 2011 07:24 GMT
#141
Are you joking about targeting the tech? You yourself have said repeatedly that advantages snowball. If you kill off 10 drones, that's 10 drones they have to remake, and it's 10 drones that aren't mining while they are remaking them, and it's 10 drones below where'd they be after they remake them, not counting the opportunity cost to other things etc.

It takes one drone to remake a tech structure, and zerg tech structures are cheap. Sure, if you could get the hive, I'd go for that over some drones, but that seems unlikely.
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Ruecks
Profile Joined September 2010
Canada60 Posts
May 01 2011 10:09 GMT
#142
On May 01 2011 16:24 Whitewing wrote:
Are you joking about targeting the tech? You yourself have said repeatedly that advantages snowball. If you kill off 10 drones, that's 10 drones they have to remake, and it's 10 drones that aren't mining while they are remaking them, and it's 10 drones below where'd they be after they remake them, not counting the opportunity cost to other things etc.

It takes one drone to remake a tech structure, and zerg tech structures are cheap. Sure, if you could get the hive, I'd go for that over some drones, but that seems unlikely.


You make a good point but the OP's point was also really well put. His example may have been off, but in late game when you rely on infestors to hold of marines for example, and he rolls in with a drop and he can choose between either the infestation pit or the workers, killing the infestation pit may provide an opening where the terran can roll in with everything and do a lot of damage without fear of all his marines dying to infestors. Remember, it is a strategy game and though damaging the economy is a sound strategy, it might not always be the best.

I know day9 has talked often about guaranteed damage (killing workers or attachments or supply is often times gauranteed), but taking minor risks when u "feel" you can guarantee some damage is far more worth it. Every little advantage can add up, but often times they'll never equal one huge advantage.
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zatic
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
Zurich15366 Posts
May 01 2011 11:03 GMT
#143
On May 01 2011 14:40 _Search_ wrote:
Here's a game I just played on ladder. It doesn't follow the Banshee example, but I thought it was funny because the game ending moment is when I snipe his Greater Spire with 4 Banshees, right before he can make BLs.

I killed like 20 drones, 100 zerglings and he didn't bat an eye (it's only econ and army...) but kill one tech building and he leaves the game! (as he should, that tech building was his only hope)

http://www.sc2replayed.com/replays/171198-1v1-terran-zerg-xelnaga-caverns

You killed like 10 drones over a 20 minute game, and maybe 30 zerglings.

And that was with mass blue flame hellions against a Zerg who didn't make anything but zerglings until hive. Clearly his idea was to get to BL at all costs and end the game with them. Yes, in that case (mech TvZ) killing the greater spire before he can get BLs out at the 20 minute mark is obviously better than killing X amounts of drones.

That does not mean your overall idea is any more valid though. Had you targeted ANY OTHER tech structure you would have made virtually zero impact on the game. On the other hand had you actually killed more drones the game would have been much more one sided. Look at your first attack. You killed way less than you should have with 10 blue flame hellions. After the attack where you killed maybe 6 drones you were just even in harvester. 10 more drones lost at that point would have made much more of a difference than losing any of his tech structures (which he didn't even but that's the point you are trying to make). Especially since this Zerg wasn't really making a lot of drones to begin with.

Independent of this particular replay: The perspective you take in looking at the game is interesting. The conclusions you draw from it however are just wrong. The majority of people in this thread and every able player in this thread is trying to tell you this. Yet post like

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=9003597
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=9048371

show that you are unwilling or unable to understand the criticism to your argumentation. If a high level master Zerg tells you killing drones hurts Zerg you can't just reply No it doesn't.

I am locking this thread. You can incorporate the critique given in this thread and rework the OP such that you don't give incorrect advice anymore if you want to, I'll reopen the thread then.
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Chill
Profile Blog Joined January 2005
Calgary26004 Posts
May 02 2011 16:49 GMT
#144
Vehemently disagree with the entire basis of this thread. All harassment is situational, and to try to paint a blanket statement of "Kill the tech vs Zerg; Kill the economy vs Protoss" is such a flimsy idea that isn't sound in theory or in practice.
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