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Who is the best ever non-korean gamer? - Page 5

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Beyonder
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
Netherlands15103 Posts
January 24 2004 03:33 GMT
#81
I'm NTT fanboy
Moderator
Oxygen
Profile Blog Joined November 2003
Canada3581 Posts
January 24 2004 09:36 GMT
#82
GOD DAMNIT. IT'S GUILLAUME, NOT GIYOM.
Dont drink and derive. TSL: Made with Balls.
RouletteDares
Profile Joined July 2003
United States22 Posts
January 24 2004 10:06 GMT
#83
On January 24 2004 06:04 HowitZer wrote:
The best non korean is Elky because he has the skill and he managed to stay competitive in Korea for the longest. People like Sven and Slayer were very talented, but they didn't stay competitive long enough to be the greatest.


By that logic wouldn't you vote for giyom?
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RouletteDares
Profile Joined July 2003
United States22 Posts
January 24 2004 10:07 GMT
#84
On January 22 2004 15:26 RaSZi[s.R] wrote:
sVEN is so much fucking better than tsu. SO many people with there heads up their ass. That ain't even a matter of opinion. Sven is SO underrated.



ive got an old rep of tsu raping sven if you want it
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cRaCK.nS)
Profile Joined July 2003
United States10 Posts
January 24 2004 14:06 GMT
#85
sven was one arrogant fuck back in the day...and he didn't try in 70% of his games. that is why people don't like him and why you have a rep of "tsu raping sven"
T.T
Napoleon
Profile Joined March 2003
Poland81 Posts
January 24 2004 15:52 GMT
#86
should add:

"not very black BLACKMAN"
HowitZer
Profile Joined February 2003
United States1610 Posts
Last Edited: 2004-01-24 16:38:46
January 24 2004 16:38 GMT
#87
On January 24 2004 19:06 RouletteDares wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 24 2004 06:04 HowitZer wrote:
The best non korean is Elky because he has the skill and he managed to stay competitive in Korea for the longest. People like Sven and Slayer were very talented, but they didn't stay competitive long enough to be the greatest.


By that logic wouldn't you vote for giyom?


it's a close call, but I vote for Elky because he is a better player.
Human teleportation, molecular decimation, breakdown and reformation is inherently purging. It makes a man acute.
IntoTheClan
Profile Joined November 2003
Afghanistan207 Posts
January 24 2004 16:51 GMT
#88
[QUOTE]On January 25 2004 01:38 HowitZer wrote:
[QUOTE]On January 24 2004 19:06 RouletteDares wrote:
[QUOTE]On January 24 2004 06:04 HowitZer wrote:
The best non korean is Elky because he has the skill and he managed to stay competitive in Korea for the longest. People like Sven and Slayer were very talented, but they didn't stay competitive long enough to be the greatest.[/QUOTE]


Sorry thats simpley not true. Elky wasnt the one to stay the logngest time competitive in korea. That was definitely Grrrr... . It seems just, that this was before your time.

Grrrr... made around 6 X More money with bw then Elky.
He dominated the bw scene 2 years. And he is simpley the best non korean gamer ever.

Or how do u want to find the best without objectivity ?
He won the most $$$
He is the best
Or do u want to let count single games ? Maybe even online ?
Fergot it. The poll shows, that at least some people here have a clue.
Tu
Profile Joined January 2004
United States16 Posts
January 25 2004 07:19 GMT
#89
--- Nuked ---
why all the hate.
Tu
Profile Joined January 2004
United States16 Posts
January 25 2004 08:42 GMT
#90
--- Nuked ---
why all the hate.
NuclearAntelope
Profile Joined February 2003
United States1369 Posts
January 25 2004 10:18 GMT
#91
On January 25 2004 17:42 Tu wrote:
dude, *"there is no gamei launcher for mac" or some equally lame
excuse* tsun had already basically stopped playing before gamei was even out. moron, dont diss on tsu he is the greatest zerg of all time.

then who was it who posessed his hands and forced him to write on his website "there is no gamei launcher for mac".

and best zerg of all time? has he ever won ANY money ?
people are similar in nature. its the experience of life that makes them so different.
Suicide
Profile Joined December 2002
United States475 Posts
January 25 2004 10:31 GMT
#92
This poll, as many have pointed out is a fairly simple choice being Grrr as the #1. No one else even compares to achievments and time at the top.

Although, my personal preference leans towards Slayer becuase I think he would have been very impactful on the pro gaming scene if he didn't have to serve in the military.

Originality doesn't count for much if you can't win anything like NTT and Tsunami.
Life drags on
Aegis.nS)
Profile Joined June 2003
United States45 Posts
January 25 2004 11:52 GMT
#93
Yes Grrrr... is easy choice for #1

Yosh #1 1v1 and 2v2 wgt(saft sven nazgul still played at this time I believe) and 2000+ gamei at around the same time is pretty damn impressive

too bad he got banned from final tourney for abuse lol~ but he was still goodsu!
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Heat-0n
Profile Joined January 2004
Bulgaria60 Posts
January 26 2004 08:18 GMT
#94
well grrr>saft>x > all
Yes..OnLy God Can JudGe you....But im The One Who ArranGes The Audiences....
FBS1
Profile Joined April 2003
United Kingdom875 Posts
January 26 2004 12:25 GMT
#95
If you've been around since the start of BW then surely you must say Grrr
Sliggy
Profile Joined December 2003
Australia797 Posts
January 26 2004 19:01 GMT
#96
Grrrr... is the best.
But Hasudrone is my favourite.
Yes Im back to doing RWA. Most recent one: [GG99]Slayer vs NeO(E)sKy. Gogo http://sliggy.fwtf.com
Profile Joined July 2003
Sweden16 Posts
January 28 2004 03:41 GMT
#97
SaFt's feeling for the game is very fun to watch though Grrr has a steady goin P. I voted SaFt though.
Improvement
Profile Joined March 2003
203 Posts
January 28 2004 12:03 GMT
#98
I'd go for Slayer!
Hmm
KaXe
Profile Joined January 2003
Sweden19 Posts
January 28 2004 06:20 GMT
#99
On January 22 2004 13:29 IntoTheClan wrote:
Tsunami was a great gamer. But nothing more.
Sven was a great gamer, but i dont know.. i think Slayer is enough. Why Slayer and Sven ? I think some gamers are missing. But there is no doubt that in overall Grrrr... is the best non korean gamer of all time.

I think Blackman instead of Sven. And Fisheye or others instead of Tsunami


Why slayer? He was one of the best players in the world when he had his peak of gosuness...in this poll only grrr can match that
yes
Dick
Profile Joined October 2002
United States717 Posts
January 28 2004 10:11 GMT
#100
GIYOM the Charismatic Toss (547) 30%

NTT the chinese style SCV maker (293) 16%

SAFT the pride of the swedes (293) 16%

Sunglasses ELKY the Desperate Terran (282) 15%

Boxerless SLAYER the non korean (232) 13%

Tidal wave zerg TSUNAMI style (137) 7%

SVEN the viking (45) 2%

so far, I think results are pretty fair
Boxer will be in the US on the 16th - perhaps to give advice to South Korean President Roh, who is on state visit to the US this week, on how to handle any surprise tank pushes by North Koreans
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