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[GOM] Protoss Has Woes.

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[GOM] Protoss Has Woes.

Text byTadzio
May 20th, 2009 18:53 GMT
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What last Sunday lacked in Zerg action, it made up for with a succession of one-sided Protoss stompings, which is pretty entertaining in and of itself-- assuming you're a bit of a sadist when it comes to the performance of Protoss players. Fortunately for me, I am: I laughed out loud at (P)Index's play versus (T)sKyHigh.

Still, it's an alarming change from last season-- where Protoss seemed to dominate every round of play-- that halfway through GOM's round of 32, (P)Goojila is the only Protoss to have qualified for the round of 16, and there are only 6 Protoss left in the GOM Classic S3. In contrast, 7 Terran remain (6 of which have already qualified for the round of 16), and 11 Zerg remain (though only 1 has qualified for the next round).

What does this mean for GOM's future race-balance? Well, there's the potential for a Quarterfinals that lacks any Protoss presence whatsoever. It's just potential, though, and not set in stone. (P)Shuttle, for example, has a solid opportunity to reach the quarterfinals, as he's the favorite over (Z)ZergBong and should have a fair chance against (T)Hwasin (his Ro16 opponent). Goojila also has some chance to make it to the quarterfinals... though his Ro16 opponent, (Z)July, is significantly stronger vs Protoss than is Hwasin. The remaining Protoss' chances for a quarterfinals birth, however, are bleak.

(P)jjonga, for instance, has to get past (Z)Jaedong, which (let's face it) would be difficult even if Jaedong broke an index finger before the match. If (P)Much gets past (Z)Falcon in the Ro32, he'll likely face Jaedong in the Ro16, and that's bad news for the "old man". (P)Violet shouldn't be able to beat (Z)Luxury in the Ro32, let alone (T)Mind/(Z)EffOrt in the Ro16. And although (P)Tempest has a decent chance vs (Z)Hul, he should be stopped in the Ro16 by either (Z)forhitech or (Z)MenSol[ZerO].

Yup, the lack of (P)BeSt and (P)Bisu as well as the map changes has certainly altered GOM's looks! Considering how last season panned out, though, I can't say I'm not looking forward to a lot more Terran and Zerg matches.



Results
Ro32 - Day 2
(P)Index vs (T)sKyHigh
+ Show Spoiler [results] +
Index < sKyHigh
Index < sKyHigh

(T)MVP vs (T)Shine
+ Show Spoiler [results] +
MVP > Shine
MVP < Shine
MVP > Shine

(P)Stats vs (T)Berserker
+ Show Spoiler [results] +
Stats < Berserker
Stats < Berserker

(T)Flash vs (P)Reach
+ Show Spoiler [results] +
Flash > Reach
Flash > Reach


Recommended Game
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(P)Index vs (T)sKyHigh Game 2 on God's Garden.



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Bracket by GTR



Upcoming
Ro32 - Day 3
May 24, PDT 02:00
(Z)Calm vs (Z)HoeJJa
(P)Shuttle vs (Z)ZergBong
(P)jjonga vs (Z)Jaedong
(Z)Falcon vs (P)Much


I'd expect (Z)Calm to take his match against (Z)HoeJJa, but unless Jaedong's playing, you never can tell with ZvZ. Aside from his victory over (Z)sAviOr in his last GOM match, HoeJJa has shown absolutely no success in ZvZ, which automatically makes him the underdog here... but I wouldn't be surprised if HoeJJa upset Calm.

I do not expect (Z)ZergBong to make it into the next round, but that's really up to (P)Shuttle. Shuttle doesn't play PvZ in proleague and has a 5-9 record in the match up according to TLPD, but the majority of his losses came in the form of games against the likes of Jaedong, Luxury, and forhitech, which puts a big questionmark on his PvZ. I don't think he's as bad at PvZ as his record suggests and ZergBong is such a bad player that Shuttle gets to be the favorite in this series. 'Course... the last player I called bad ((T)MVP) beat (T)Shine 2-1, and ZergBong did take a game off of (P)Stork in GOM S1, so we'll see.

(Z)Jaedong should eliminate (P)jjonga. Period. End of story.

Jaedong's teammate, (Z)Falcon, showed some incredible mutalisk control as well as nerves of steel when he eliminated the legendary (T)NaDa 2-1 in the Ro64. I'm very interested in seeing what he can do in ZvP. Is Falcon a prodigy overshadowed by Jaedong's overwhelming dominance, or just some flash in the pan that caught Nada on an off-day? In my mind, (P)Much is the favorite by default, simply because I know next to nothing about Falcon, but this is a great opportunity for Falcon to make a name for himself. One thing's certain, if Nada didn't intimidate this rookie, I doubt Much will.



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Poll: What do you think about Protoss' chances?
(Vote): It's in Protoss' nature to fail.
(Vote): I blame the brackets!
(Vote): I blame the maps!
(Vote): I blame SK Telecom T1!
(Vote): You're not just wrong, but a Protoss is winning GOM S3!


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SoulMarine
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States586 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-05-20 19:20:08
May 20 2009 19:18 GMT
#2
ZvPs in the upcoming!

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thopol
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
Japan4560 Posts
May 20 2009 19:19 GMT
#3
Nice writeup. I love watching protoss lose too.
Here's to shuttle though...
Ideas
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
United States8097 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-05-20 19:25:23
May 20 2009 19:25 GMT
#4
outside the 6 dragons + much and backho, you REALLY don't expect any protoss to make it past the Ro32 in any league.
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Harem
Profile Joined November 2007
United States11390 Posts
May 20 2009 19:27 GMT
#5
On May 21 2009 04:25 Ideas wrote:
outside the 6 dragons + much and backho, you REALLY don't expect any protoss to make it past the Ro32 in any league.

Backho is out now, sadly.
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josemb40
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Peru611 Posts
May 20 2009 19:28 GMT
#6
hmm.. go jaedong?
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Archaic
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
United States4024 Posts
May 20 2009 19:29 GMT
#7
Wow, these games are so onesided, in terms of match ups.
JWD
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States12607 Posts
May 20 2009 19:43 GMT
#8
Thanks for the update Tadzio!

MVP is starting to look like S3's YoonJoong.
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R3condite
Profile Joined August 2008
Korea (South)1541 Posts
May 20 2009 19:44 GMT
#9
On May 21 2009 04:19 thopol wrote:
Nice writeup. I love watching protoss lose too.
Here's to shuttle though...

i agree, here's to shuttle
ggyo...
Macavenger
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
United States1132 Posts
May 20 2009 19:47 GMT
#10
Index v Skyhigh game 2 as the recommended game? Seriously? Not everyone likes seeing Protoss fail miserably, dude. I have to agree with Tasteless that that was about the worst professional game I've seen, probably ever.
Mania[K]al
Profile Joined May 2009
United States359 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-05-20 19:53:06
May 20 2009 19:49 GMT
#11
Maybe when the maps aren't so Zerg favored and the better Toss actually participate, the races will be more balanced out toward the end

Not to mention Stork/Jangbi being in huge slumps when they played. (Jangbi was outplayed by Baby though. God that kid is good.) And Backho having to play July relatively early compared to the other big-namers still getting to pick on the weaker prey.
Exteray
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
United States1094 Posts
May 20 2009 19:55 GMT
#12
I like when toss beats terran, but i want zerg to beat terran + PrOtoss =D

(Z)Jaedong fighting!~
Tadzio
Profile Blog Joined October 2006
3340 Posts
May 20 2009 20:13 GMT
#13
On May 21 2009 04:47 Macavenger wrote:
Index v Skyhigh game 2 as the recommended game? Seriously? Not everyone likes seeing Protoss fail miserably, dude. I have to agree with Tasteless that that was about the worst professional game I've seen, probably ever.


It's a concise summary of what happened that night... Protoss was steamrolled by Terran. Since people complained about my suggested game last week, too, allow me to provide a disclaimer: All the "suggested games" are subjectively chosen to be a fun feature of these articles and to encourage people that don't have the time to watch all of GOM's games to watch at least a few of them. They are not serious business and they are not democratically decided upon. Sometimes the games will be perfection, other times they'll be sloppy but entertaining, and occasionally they'll be hilariously bad. My choices aren't "the last word," nor are they all encompassing. Far from it. I only link to one game per week, though there are frequently multiple games/series worth watching, and what I enjoy may not be something you enjoy. I encourage TL members to use whatever medium they've access to in order to suggest their favorite games to their friends just as I'm doing.
Nemesis
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Canada2568 Posts
May 20 2009 20:19 GMT
#14
On May 21 2009 04:44 R3condite wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 21 2009 04:19 thopol wrote:
Nice writeup. I love watching protoss lose too.
Here's to shuttle though...

i agree, here's to shuttle

go shuttle!
The gom classics are so unpredicatable lol, which is what makes it fun =)
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fanatacist
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
10319 Posts
May 20 2009 20:19 GMT
#15
Needs more Bisu.
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Gliche
Profile Blog Joined August 2008
United States811 Posts
May 20 2009 20:57 GMT
#16
Since Bisu is MIA, JD vs Flash finals to revitalize both their weakest matchups please!
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Shizuru~
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
Malaysia1676 Posts
May 20 2009 20:58 GMT
#17
T1's withdrawal from S3 took bisu and best away from us, that alone is the biggest dissapointment of this season 3, but then again, because of a few team not participating we get the chance to see Idra play lol...

and samsung's protoss elimination just crushed any hope of protoss advancing further down the tourneys, its a sad day for protoss... before the season began i was so looking forwards towards a possible Bisu vs Jaedong rematch, the special match for gom wasn't decisive enough imo, round 5 is just..... lol


fanatacist
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
10319 Posts
May 20 2009 21:01 GMT
#18
On May 21 2009 05:57 Gliche wrote:
Since Bisu is MIA, JD vs Flash finals to revitalize both their weakest matchups please!

I'm pretty sure JD's weakest is ZvP.
Peace~
Ozarugold
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
2716 Posts
May 20 2009 21:04 GMT
#19
Come on Jaedong! S Class Zerg Power Activate!

Also it's too bad we won't get to see Jaedong vs. Bisu fight the REAL fifth match~
this is my quote.
tree.hugger
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Philadelphia, PA10406 Posts
May 20 2009 21:42 GMT
#20
What's with these match-ups, does GOM do themed days now?

Last week, not a zerg in sight, this week, no terran... Will there be no protoss in next weeks matchu-ups?

...

...

Oh wait. There won't BE ANY PROTOSS LEFT.
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vx70GTOJudgexv
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States3161 Posts
May 20 2009 21:43 GMT
#21

(P)Violet shouldn't be able to beat (Z)Luxury in the Ro32


I disagree. Have you seen Luxury play lately?
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Wolfwood.
Profile Joined May 2009
United States68 Posts
May 20 2009 22:03 GMT
#22
needs moar Jaedong vs Bisu.

:c
dhe95
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
United States1213 Posts
May 20 2009 22:05 GMT
#23
Since protoss is the strongest if it gets time to macro, and the maps now are all macro style, it appeals to people, which means more people playing it, so the other races have to get better at playing protoss, since more of their opponents are protoss. Therefore everyone can now beat protoss.
Tadzio
Profile Blog Joined October 2006
3340 Posts
May 20 2009 22:06 GMT
#24
On May 21 2009 06:43 vx70GTOJudgexv wrote:
Show nested quote +

(P)Violet shouldn't be able to beat (Z)Luxury in the Ro32


I disagree. Have you seen Luxury play lately?


lol... wow, buuuurn!
Shikyo
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Finland33997 Posts
May 20 2009 22:35 GMT
#25
Luxury, don't you dare to lose to violet...

And if Jaedong somehow manages to lose to jjonga... I'm predicting that to be the most lopsided liquidbet ever.
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Too_MuchZerg
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
Finland2818 Posts
May 20 2009 22:39 GMT
#26
On May 21 2009 07:35 Shikyo wrote:
Luxury, don't you dare to lose to violet...

And if Jaedong somehow manages to lose to jjonga... I'm predicting that to be the most lopsided liquidbet ever.


Then again there isn't liquibet for GOM it seems.
luckybeni2
Profile Joined October 2008
Germany1065 Posts
May 20 2009 22:52 GMT
#27
It's obvious Protoss do not have any presence. Bisu does not participate and except for kal all good Protoss players were caught in a super slump (look at stork and free who threw their games away very badly. Jangbi was really outplayed but he still is in a slump).
JohnBall
Profile Joined December 2008
Brazil1272 Posts
May 20 2009 22:53 GMT
#28
Luxury seems to be in a slump recently
On other news: Jaedong!!!!
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KillForce
Profile Joined March 2009
Sweden36 Posts
May 20 2009 23:06 GMT
#29
On May 21 2009 06:42 tree.hugger wrote:
What's with these match-ups, does GOM do themed days now?


They also seem to put a lot of players from the same team on the same day. I can remember an STX day and a Samsung day, maybe there's been more. (WeMade day?)

Pro-teams saving gas?

(also: no PvP final, yay)
Origami
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States266 Posts
May 20 2009 23:08 GMT
#30
Kal has the hardest bracket setup I've ever seen. Good god.

Ro64: Memory
Ro32: by.hero
Ro16: July
Ro 8: Skyhigh
Ro 4: Flash
Finals: Jaedong

Now it's possible that Skyhigh/Flash/Jaedong will lose before this, but just looking at what he actually has to play against even in theory makes my head hurt.
Mumblee
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Canada256 Posts
May 20 2009 23:29 GMT
#31
Yeah, that totally sucks that you have to face other players and beat them in order to win a tournament.
Dgtl
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Canada889 Posts
May 20 2009 23:34 GMT
#32
Wow, their might actually be chance for a Jaedong vs Flash final which would be amazing. Here's to hoping that will happen!
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tree.hugger
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Philadelphia, PA10406 Posts
May 20 2009 23:38 GMT
#33
This will happen.

(Z)Calm > (Z)HoeJJa
(P)Shuttle > (Z)ZergBong
(Z)Jaedong > (P)jjonga
(Z)Falcon > (P)Much
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Ftrunkz
Profile Blog Joined April 2007
Australia2474 Posts
May 21 2009 00:07 GMT
#34
"Protoss Has Woes"? Is that 4chan speak in a team liquid article heading? If so...
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blahman3344
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States2015 Posts
May 21 2009 00:08 GMT
#35
lol...
as much as i hate the toss-bashing, i think toss is really screwed this season w/o any of their better players =\

go jaedong!
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Tadzio
Profile Blog Joined October 2006
3340 Posts
May 21 2009 00:37 GMT
#36
On May 21 2009 09:07 Ftrunkz wrote:
"Protoss Has Woes"? Is that 4chan speak in a team liquid article heading? If so...


That's 4chan speak? I've never seen it.
bitchaRd[raGe]
Profile Joined August 2008
Russian Federation376 Posts
May 21 2009 00:56 GMT
#37
Flash should own S3 EZ.
You heard it first.
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nAi.PrOtOsS
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
Canada784 Posts
May 21 2009 01:20 GMT
#38
rofl i don't understand all these protoss bashers like fuck.
meegrean
Profile Joined May 2008
Thailand7699 Posts
May 21 2009 01:25 GMT
#39
I think other races are just playing better.
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Mykill
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Canada3402 Posts
May 21 2009 01:42 GMT
#40
well Much can beat Falcon ez
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Postaljester
Profile Joined December 2002
United States128 Posts
May 21 2009 02:24 GMT
#41
I am also confused why TL seems to hate protoss with a passion. Over the history of SC the race we have seen dominate the least is protoss.
oh well I love all races equally. Sucks that there was no Bisu!
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Zeridian
Profile Joined April 2009
United States198 Posts
May 21 2009 02:32 GMT
#42
what do you mean least dominent is protoss, there are plenty of protoss starleague wins... just look up bisu/anytime/reach and you'll easily find periods where toss owned.
JIJIyO
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Canada1957 Posts
May 21 2009 02:50 GMT
#43
Not that I care about STX or anything, but why did Gom's bracket's have basically all of the STX players on one side (and corner), so if they win, they'll end up facing teammate after teammate?
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Mullet_Power
Profile Joined December 2008
Canada64 Posts
May 21 2009 02:55 GMT
#44
On May 21 2009 11:32 Zeridian wrote:
what do you mean least dominent is protoss, there are plenty of protoss starleague wins... just look up bisu/anytime/reach and you'll easily find periods where toss owned.


Anytime and Reach only have 1 OSL title each. Though they are great players, I wouldn't say they were dominant. What he said is correct, Protoss are historically the least dominant race.
myrmidon2537
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
Philippines2188 Posts
May 21 2009 03:36 GMT
#45
On May 21 2009 08:08 Origami wrote:
Kal has the hardest bracket setup I've ever seen. Good god.

Ro64: Memory
Ro32: by.hero
Ro16: July
Ro 8: Skyhigh
Ro 4: Flash
Finals: Jaedong

Now it's possible that Skyhigh/Flash/Jaedong will lose before this, but just looking at what he actually has to play against even in theory makes my head hurt.


Wow... O_O I'm going to root for kal now.
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konadora *
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Singapore66159 Posts
May 21 2009 03:50 GMT
#46
Bisu > rest of Protoss
POGGERS
Harem
Profile Joined November 2007
United States11390 Posts
May 21 2009 04:12 GMT
#47
On May 21 2009 12:50 konadora wrote:
Backho > rest of Protoss

Word.
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ryuu_
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States1266 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-05-21 04:48:45
May 21 2009 04:45 GMT
#48
Poor protoss at least (Z)Jaedong can go Superdong vs the Z and T.

Waiting to see (Z)Falcon come out of Jaedong's shadow and actually show that OZ isn't a one man team.
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Profile Joined January 2008
India858 Posts
May 21 2009 06:21 GMT
#49
Awesome job by sKyHigh!
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Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Canada1430 Posts
May 21 2009 06:34 GMT
#50
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Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States3161 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-05-21 07:28:06
May 21 2009 07:07 GMT
#51
On May 21 2009 13:12 Harem wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 21 2009 12:50 konadora wrote:
Backho > rest of Protoss

Word.


I legit just fell off of my chair.
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vx70GTOJudgexv
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States3161 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-05-21 07:27:52
May 21 2009 07:16 GMT
#52
On May 21 2009 11:32 Zeridian wrote:
what do you mean least dominent is protoss, there are plenty of protoss starleague wins... just look up bisu/anytime/reach and you'll easily find periods where toss owned.


OSL:
Protoss - 8 titles (7 winners), 7 silvers (6 unique)
Terran - 10 titles (7 winners), 9 silvers (6 unique)
Zerg - 7 titles (4 winners), 10 silvers (6 unique)

MSL:
Protoss - 4 titles (2 winners), 9 silvers (7 unique)
Terran - 9 titles (5 winners), 3 silvers (1 unique)
Zerg - 7 titles (5 winners), 8 silvers (5 unique)

Other Events:
Protoss - 3 titles (3 winners), 7 silvers (5 unique)
Terran - 7 titles (6 winners), 4 silvers (4 unique)
Zerg - 11 titles (6 winners), 8 silvers (6 unique)

Total Counts:
Protoss - 15 titles, 23 silvers = 38 total finals appearances
Terran - 26 titles, 16 silvers = 42 total finals appearances
Zerg - 25 titles, 26 silvers = 51 total finals appearances

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NaDa is the only Terran to lose an MSL finals :o
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seppolevne
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Canada1681 Posts
May 21 2009 08:20 GMT
#53
Poor protoss T.T
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May 21 2009 09:07 GMT
#54
Hello there.I'm cristiano here.Nice to meet you.
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Jamaica11586 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-05-21 09:10:24
May 21 2009 09:09 GMT
#55
We got woes, we got woes
In different area codes, area codes
We got woes....

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Profile Joined August 2007
Poland376 Posts
May 21 2009 09:36 GMT
#56
very good, good writing
im protoss fan, but yeah - toss performances in last 3 month were weak. and basiclly, i can't see even one toss player in semifinals. that's not good for fans, but even more - very bad for young toss players. i really enjoy style and tactics that young and uknown but talented zergs do in korea nowadays. i think Zerg is race that will evolve once more soon, and there will be no more 'goons era'.

so, whenever i see young toss player in korea, i really cheer for him - just like i saw pure play in 2007 and im waiting for his "boom" till today, but you know - it's all happening too slow. zerg will dominate kespa top30 soon, i think

i can't wait to see violet vs luxury. and dude, im not so sure, if lux can take it. first of all, his proligue performance is just horrible - 5 losses streak (worst in his career), when violet is on 5 winning streak (best in his career). but it doesn't even mean so much if you remember thath both of them are teammates. and we saw it so many times - one young lion eating his friend 3:0, cause they know each other better than coach.

still, looking forward each game in gom
I apologize for all my english mistakes. I used to write really good senteces in this lenguage, but nowadays, i smoke too much weed and drink too much vodka. So you must forgive me :)
FieryBalrog
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
United States1381 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-05-21 10:00:04
May 21 2009 09:59 GMT
#57
On May 21 2009 04:25 Ideas wrote:
outside the 6 dragons + much and backho, you REALLY don't expect any protoss to make it past the Ro32 in any league.


Thats a lot for one race, actually. Last year I would be hard pressed to expect any Zerg but Jaedong to get anything done in the individual leagues.
I will eat you alive
FieryBalrog
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
United States1381 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-05-21 10:06:28
May 21 2009 10:03 GMT
#58
On May 21 2009 11:55 Mullet_Power wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 21 2009 11:32 Zeridian wrote:
what do you mean least dominent is protoss, there are plenty of protoss starleague wins... just look up bisu/anytime/reach and you'll easily find periods where toss owned.


Anytime and Reach only have 1 OSL title each. Though they are great players, I wouldn't say they were dominant. What he said is correct, Protoss are historically the least dominant race.


Part of the problem with Protoss is that during their most dominant era, which is 2007 to Now, they have made TONS of finals but failed to clinch a huge number of them- mostly due to two people- the Samsung twin towers Jangbi and Stork. Between them they have six Starleague silver medals out of 7 finals appearances. On top of that you have Kal & Best with silver medals in the last 2 years, and Bisu has one of his own, and he's the only one to have any sort of good success in the finals of Starleagues. Add that up and you get 9 Protoss 2nd place finishes over just 2 years.
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Vex
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Ireland454 Posts
May 21 2009 10:22 GMT
#59
JAEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE DONGGGGGGGGGGGGGG
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Geo.Rion
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
7377 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-05-21 11:09:20
May 21 2009 11:08 GMT
#60
isnt there I blame the government/God/financial-crize/ etc ?
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3 Lions
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States3705 Posts
May 21 2009 12:55 GMT
#61
There's always Fall...
Zoler
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Sweden6339 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-05-21 14:49:14
May 21 2009 14:49 GMT
#62
Skyhigh vs Index game 2 LOL hahaha
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foeffa
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
Belgium2115 Posts
May 21 2009 15:41 GMT
#63
Nice write-ups. I just hope the number of mirrors will be limited, especially zvz.
觀過斯知仁矣.
ghermination
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
United States2851 Posts
May 21 2009 16:03 GMT
#64
I blame the matchups in the game. Unfortunately all of the Protoss players who could advance are getting raeped by much better players before they even have a chance to advance and gain some momentum.
U Gotta Skate.
kiendudu
Profile Joined May 2008
Netherlands273 Posts
May 21 2009 16:19 GMT
#65
remember last season we have PvP final,

where are Bisu, Best, Jangbi and Stock
^^
Baddieko
Profile Joined October 2008
Singapore855 Posts
May 21 2009 16:49 GMT
#66
I dont think the protoss powerhouses are serious enough in GOM. Stork and Jangbi wouldn't lose to the 2 rookies if it was MSL/OSL and its PvT as well. SKT don't even give a damn. It would probably be the compy as least prestigious and only serve for foreign fans that they don't care.
Avidkeystamper
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
United States8552 Posts
May 21 2009 16:57 GMT
#67
On May 21 2009 16:16 vx70GTOJudgexv wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 21 2009 11:32 Zeridian wrote:
what do you mean least dominent is protoss, there are plenty of protoss starleague wins... just look up bisu/anytime/reach and you'll easily find periods where toss owned.


OSL:
Protoss - 8 titles (7 winners), 7 silvers (6 unique)
Terran - 10 titles (7 winners), 9 silvers (6 unique)
Zerg - 7 titles (4 winners), 10 silvers (6 unique)

MSL:
Protoss - 4 titles (2 winners), 9 silvers (7 unique)
Terran - 9 titles (5 winners), 3 silvers (1 unique)
Zerg - 7 titles (5 winners), 8 silvers (5 unique)

Other Events:
Protoss - 3 titles (3 winners), 7 silvers (5 unique)
Terran - 7 titles (6 winners), 4 silvers (4 unique)
Zerg - 11 titles (6 winners), 8 silvers (6 unique)

Total Counts:
Protoss - 15 titles, 23 silvers = 38 total finals appearances
Terran - 26 titles, 16 silvers = 42 total finals appearances
Zerg - 25 titles, 26 silvers = 51 total finals appearances

+ Show Spoiler [Interesting Fact I learned] +

NaDa is the only Terran to lose an MSL finals :o

What are some other events? Just everything else on the TLPD page?
Jaedong
Avidkeystamper
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
United States8552 Posts
May 21 2009 16:58 GMT
#68
On May 22 2009 01:49 Baddieko wrote:
I dont think the protoss powerhouses are serious enough in GOM. Stork and Jangbi wouldn't lose to the 2 rookies if it was MSL/OSL and its PvT as well. SKT don't even give a damn. It would probably be the compy as least prestigious and only serve for foreign fans that they don't care.

Highly coinincidental this only happened to protosses
Jaedong
goswser
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States3519 Posts
May 21 2009 21:33 GMT
#69
What announcers are those?
say you were born into a jungle indian tribe where food was scarce...would you run around from teepee to teepee stealing meat scraps after a day lazying around doing nothing except warming urself by a fire that you didn't even make yourself? -rekrul
Leath
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
Canada1724 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-05-22 01:42:14
May 22 2009 01:37 GMT
#70
Good reading. But the recommendation? What was special about that game? It was so uninspiring lol


On May 22 2009 06:33 Newguy wrote:
What announcers are those?


I think its:
Tasteless
Coach Daniel Lee (could be wrong)
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Grobyc
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Canada18410 Posts
May 22 2009 04:04 GMT
#71
Thanks for the writeup yo, really looking forward to all those Z games! ^^
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Balfazar
Profile Joined November 2008
Australia483 Posts
May 22 2009 06:40 GMT
#72
I don't see why the maps get so little attention, the maps are the main reason for the Protoss downfall in both the other leagues (see OSL prelims) and SPL. It seems that the maps swing between favouring Zerg and Protoss while Terran always does alright on them. I'm not even sure what would make a map anti-Terran, maybe some weird island map that was all air?
extracheez
Profile Joined January 2009
Australia151 Posts
May 22 2009 07:24 GMT
#73
The only reason why toss dominated so much last season is the maps. I'm glad to see Z and T getting back into action.
Aylear
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Norway3988 Posts
May 22 2009 13:57 GMT
#74
Yeah, the announcers are Nick "Tasteless" Plott and Daniel "SuperDanielMan" Lee.
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mog87
Profile Joined October 2008
United States1586 Posts
May 23 2009 08:31 GMT
#75
free fucked up, with no strong protoss, other than kal he could have won this tournament, the only one who who would be favored over him is Flash.
TwoToneTerran
Profile Joined March 2009
United States8841 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-05-24 06:33:32
May 24 2009 06:31 GMT
#76
Certainly not Jaedong. (Joking. I know Free has a positive record against JD, but I still wouldn't call Free the favorite)
Remember Violet.
malathion
Profile Joined March 2009
United States361 Posts
May 25 2009 01:43 GMT
#77
The main reason there aren't any Protosses in this tournament is that the SKT1 protoss lineup isn't participating. GOM shouldn't be blamed for that.
ProberoO
Profile Joined November 2008
United States88 Posts
May 25 2009 04:52 GMT
#78
Well... last season got slightly dull with all the protoss domination. And TvZ is my favorite match up to watch; I can't say I'm not looking forward to the next few rounds regardless of whether Protoss players are in them. Just hopefully the finals won't be tvt T-T
The pandabearguy should be in every map.
ThunderGod
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
New Zealand897 Posts
May 26 2009 14:28 GMT
#79
Solution: Jaedong should just offrace as toss to solve the race balance issue ;p
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