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Liquibition #28 - Results + VODs
March 7th, 2009 16:02 GMT
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Belgium6771 Posts
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Hurry up Im ready to go!!!
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hell yeah really pumped. MUST MAKE FOOD TO WATCH ALL 7 GAMES!!
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7 games pl0x, either wins :D
EDIT: Chill + Artosis = Metagame Mindfuck
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YAY ARTOSIS!! Looking forward to this =] only 7 more minutesss
go Sterlock
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Aotearoa39261 Posts
as far as i understand, the players were instructed to play all 7 games even though they didn't need to (as this is just a Bo7). Thus if the series ends early, we'll still see more games!!
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On March 08 2009 01:08 Geo.Rion wrote:
Stream will go live once the timer in the green bar reaches zero!
i see no green bar, where is it?
look again ^^
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Dominican Republic463 Posts
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Woot. SHould be a great match up. I love TvZ 
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favourite matchup
favourite commentators
<3 TL
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On March 08 2009 01:05 Xeofreestyler wrote:
Fuck yeah!
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Plexa as your not casting this match I just want to say you've improved a ton since you started, I used to not watch them if you were solo casting but lately I've really enjoyed listening to you.
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In 5 seconds? I'm counting!
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Stream will go live once the timer in the green bar reaches zero!
the cake is a lie
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i woke up at 9 am on a saturday for this, it better be good =O
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to many f5f5f5 all time ^^
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I cant see the link??? Am I blind?
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Delayed again lol
look up top
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Link pls. !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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is all of china F5ing TL? Everything on this site is loading really really slow for me
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Aotearoa39261 Posts
We're having slight difficulties in putting up a multi-server stream. It won't be 15 minutes though, thats just the only increment i can increase in.
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how often they wil change counter to 15 min after now ? ^^
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What is the prediction of how long it will take?
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On March 08 2009 01:21 Tadzio wrote:
is all of china F5ing TL? Everything on this site is loading really really slow for me
LOL. i thought it was just me XD
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On March 08 2009 01:22 CoL_Drake wrote:
how often they wil change counter to 15 min after now ? ^^
every 15 mins it seems
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mmsh://hatchery.teamliquid.net 000/
you got an mmsh instead of mms
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Arabic dessert music oh yeah
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Can't wait to see F91 once again :o
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Hey ... was the BSG soundtrack music being played just before?
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F91 is one of the most creative zergs out there. I'm really looking forward to these games!
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i guess we will wait another 15 minutes
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and the urge to watch the good, the bad, and the ugly has overwhelmed me
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On March 08 2009 01:27 Itachii wrote:
Can't wait to see F91 once again :o
As much as I dislike F91 for losing me 10 liquibets, and sniping my favourite forienger (JF)- I hope he wins this one. GO F91!
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after so many delays, maybe TL should start 20 mins earlier next time
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dam-da-da-dam-da-da-dam weeeeweeooooooo I like this music
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Epic theme song for an epic match!!
Good luck to both of you!
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On March 08 2009 01:29 StalinRusH wrote:
and the urge to watch the good, the bad, and the ugly has overwhelmed me
me two haha im gonna watch it after this
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lol the good, the bad , and the ugly, ennio morricone, love it!
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holy shit.
Whats this music?
Reminds me of some commercial for Ennio Morricone.
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Awesome song. This used to be my ringtone before my phone got busted
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lol at everyone being surprised at 15 minute delays
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YES Artosis, great I hope I can learn something from his commentary todayyy
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ARTOSIS! Oh my god! This is so amazing.
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HERE IT COMES chilli and artrosis!
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argh they still use every version Blue storm ZvT statistics. Latest version is more balanced than those results.
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that strelok picture....
woah
hes definitely European ;D
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One of the strongest in Europe? Cmon, hes the world's best Terran outside Asia -_-
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isn't this bo7? or they just play to 7th match?
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The music volume is too high :/
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LOL "lets keep the chat quiet this goes on the stream remember"
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LOL talking about Artosis looool
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lol at the chat between ash and rage
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"No stream found to handle url "
Weird. I hope it comes up for me shortly.
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On March 08 2009 01:35 zhaoli86 wrote:
isn't this bo7? or they just play to 7th match?
All 7 games gets played
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Thanks for the great stream quality! I'm not used to being able to read text 
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does it lag for anyone else?
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How come none of the players are working for me?
edit: Hw come none of the video players are working for me?
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Does anyone else have this problem:
I hear audio perfectly, but the screen's black, and when I use the 'take screenshot' function in GOMPlayer the screenshot is normal aka. with perfect picture. I tried this with VLC and windows media player all have the same results, black screen, perfect audio.
Thanks guys.
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what was chat between ash and rage saying?
On March 08 2009 01:42 AssuredVacancy wrote:
Does anyone else have this problem:
I hear audio perfectly, but the screen's black, and when I use the 'take screenshot' function in GOMPlayer the screenshot is normal aka. with perfect picture. I tried this with VLC and windows media player all have the same results, black screen, perfect audio.
Thanks guys.
If you go full screen you should have video, I have this problem too
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Artosis and Chill united once again! YEAAAH!
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chill pronouncing longinus is killing me
lol
always thought it was lon-gin-us not long-gine-us
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music?
lol as soon as I pressed post the music came on.
Im GOD
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haha 5 rax LOL
The terran's 5 pool :D
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On March 08 2009 01:43 anderoo wrote:what was chat between ash and rage saying? Show nested quote +On March 08 2009 01:42 AssuredVacancy wrote:
Does anyone else have this problem:
I hear audio perfectly, but the screen's black, and when I use the 'take screenshot' function in GOMPlayer the screenshot is normal aka. with perfect picture. I tried this with VLC and windows media player all have the same results, black screen, perfect audio.
Thanks guys. If you go full screen you should have video, I have this problem too
=/ still doesn't work..
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On March 08 2009 01:49 G.s)NarutO wrote:
Score?
1-0 for F91
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Strelok going all-in in the first two games speaks volumes about his confidence, or rather lack thereof.
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oh artosis commentates ! cool :D
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F91 is so good
edit: would be fun to see F91 vs a korean progamer
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On March 08 2009 01:52 Scorch wrote:
Strelok going all-in in the first two games speaks volumes about his confidence, or rather lack thereof.
Can you blame him?
No offense to strelok but did ANYONE vote for him over F91? F91 is a freaking beast.
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On March 08 2009 01:56 Elvin_vn wrote:
wow
this is madness
This is SPARTA!!!
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F91 w00h00 :D 6-1 or 7-0 gogo
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whats up with tl-rage typing gg ? Kinda weird as he is not playing this series.
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2-0 for f91 will be a fast 4-0 pretty much
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On March 08 2009 01:57 Too_MuchZerg wrote:
whats up with tl-rage typing gg ? Kinda weird as he is not playing this series.
He's spectator. What's weird about that?
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On March 08 2009 01:59 uNiGNoRe wrote:Show nested quote +On March 08 2009 01:57 Too_MuchZerg wrote:
whats up with tl-rage typing gg ? Kinda weird as he is not playing this series. He's spectator. What's weird about that?
Why he is typing gg then?
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its so impressive how f91 dominates every game^^
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Pretty boring series but I strongly hope we'll hear Artosis and Chill again for the next one!
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pretty shitty not playing with lan lat
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both players doing some really bad attacks wtf
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So..F91 decided going lurk would be too easy?
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On March 08 2009 02:10 1030xxx wrote:
F91 3:0 now..........
2:1 actually
Strelok took the last game ...
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On March 08 2009 01:59 Too_MuchZerg wrote:Show nested quote +On March 08 2009 01:59 uNiGNoRe wrote:On March 08 2009 01:57 Too_MuchZerg wrote:
whats up with tl-rage typing gg ? Kinda weird as he is not playing this series. He's spectator. What's weird about that? Why he is typing gg then?
Specs telling the players that they played a GG is pretty standard.. have you ever played starcraft?
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luna is the most standard map python is only 99.9% standard
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weird... f91 saving about 1000/1000 to ultras from 3 hatch.
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Those are not bad games at all.
I am not in that level, so it's entertaining anyway.
Thanks Artosis and Chill for the comments, which are great.
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Streloks level of play so far has been awfully low tonight, I always thought of him being one of the best foreign terrans. :/
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On March 08 2009 02:14 inReacH wrote:Show nested quote +On March 08 2009 01:59 Too_MuchZerg wrote:On March 08 2009 01:59 uNiGNoRe wrote:On March 08 2009 01:57 Too_MuchZerg wrote:
whats up with tl-rage typing gg ? Kinda weird as he is not playing this series. He's spectator. What's weird about that? Why he is typing gg then? Specs telling the players that they played a GG is pretty standard.. have you ever played starcraft?
but both players are gone already when he types it, whats the point :D
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This looks like typical foregeiner vs korean match lol
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Games are kinda bad :/
Two agressive players = 12 mins max games lol
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On March 08 2009 02:19 Itachii wrote:
This looks like typical foregeiner vs korean match lol
So true...
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wasnt BAD LUCK z dodge the scv with running lings in middle cause he saw scv with overlord !!!
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On March 08 2009 02:18 NeOu wrote:
stream?
lol...
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On March 08 2009 02:18 Too_MuchZerg wrote:Show nested quote +On March 08 2009 02:14 inReacH wrote:On March 08 2009 01:59 Too_MuchZerg wrote:On March 08 2009 01:59 uNiGNoRe wrote:On March 08 2009 01:57 Too_MuchZerg wrote:
whats up with tl-rage typing gg ? Kinda weird as he is not playing this series. He's spectator. What's weird about that? Why he is typing gg then? Specs telling the players that they played a GG is pretty standard.. have you ever played starcraft? but both players are gone already when he types it, whats the point :D
No they weren't, one was still in every time.. it's reflex anyways.
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On March 08 2009 02:18 NeOu wrote:
stream?
please watch the first post dont embarrass me
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Go Strelok, let's make this go a real seven game series.
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massive face palm on python
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i think they are defending strelok too much... F91 is probably just the better play with or without lag... who knows maybe F91 plays langaems all day long in china ... or with china ppl with low latency..
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On March 08 2009 02:23 G.s)NarutO wrote:
Score?
3:1 for F91
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On March 08 2009 02:23 BalliSLife wrote:
massive face palm on python
I went to the bathroom and when I came back it was 3:1
:C
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On March 08 2009 02:20 inReacH wrote:Show nested quote +On March 08 2009 02:18 Too_MuchZerg wrote:On March 08 2009 02:14 inReacH wrote:On March 08 2009 01:59 Too_MuchZerg wrote:On March 08 2009 01:59 uNiGNoRe wrote:On March 08 2009 01:57 Too_MuchZerg wrote:
whats up with tl-rage typing gg ? Kinda weird as he is not playing this series. He's spectator. What's weird about that? Why he is typing gg then? Specs telling the players that they played a GG is pretty standard.. have you ever played starcraft? but both players are gone already when he types it, whats the point :D No they weren't, one was still in every time.. it's reflex anyways.
well for me it just looks like "yeah i am obsing good players and I want notify everyone watching that i am here"
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On March 08 2009 02:18 Too_MuchZerg wrote:Show nested quote +On March 08 2009 02:14 inReacH wrote:On March 08 2009 01:59 Too_MuchZerg wrote:On March 08 2009 01:59 uNiGNoRe wrote:On March 08 2009 01:57 Too_MuchZerg wrote:
whats up with tl-rage typing gg ? Kinda weird as he is not playing this series. He's spectator. What's weird about that? Why he is typing gg then? Specs telling the players that they played a GG is pretty standard.. have you ever played starcraft? but both players are gone already when he types it, whats the point :D
Get over it?
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Fuck i thought that it started 30 minutes ago and 4 games are already played, damn it
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did F91 put gas at 16 ?^^ that`s a first
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On March 08 2009 02:25 anderoo wrote:I went to the bathroom and when I came back it was 3:1 :C
lol, me too, sort of, what happened on Python?
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Hmm, I can't seem to see any video, can only hear audio.
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I think 1 rax with proxy acad and 2 rax would be really good against F91. He s eems to open hydra whenever T doesnt get a fairly quick cc.
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Oh my god what the fuck is Strelok drunk or what, this so ridiculously bad.
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On March 08 2009 02:26 538 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 08 2009 02:25 anderoo wrote:On March 08 2009 02:23 BalliSLife wrote:
massive face palm on python I went to the bathroom and when I came back it was 3:1 :C lol, me too, sort of, what happened on Python?
9 pool+gas>fail scout from the terran.
Zerglings all over terran's main->GG
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Hey guys, I can't see any video on neither VLC nor WMP. Does anyone else have this problem?
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Well... F91 pretty much has this game and the serie. Lets see if Strelok can redeem himself by winning the games that are left
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Chinese triangle... lol Chill!
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F91 is just too good. Or Strelok fails too hard.
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F91 uses the muta chinese triangle again
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Zerg 1a2a3a
Congrats to F91 on yet another victory.
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Bring out Nony or Mondragon!
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On March 08 2009 02:33 LunarDestiny wrote:
F91 use the muta chinese triange again
no.. he doesn't, why would he? its used to bug scourges and obviously Strelok has no scourges.
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4:1 for F91
Pretty much one-sided 
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This chinese zerg is smart...
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On March 08 2009 02:33 LunarDestiny wrote:
F91 uses the muta chinese triangle again
He's talking about the Scourges bugging out on Strelok's Valkrie. Chinese triangle is a technique you use with your mutas to kill scourge.
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On March 08 2009 02:33 Puosu wrote:Show nested quote +On March 08 2009 02:33 LunarDestiny wrote:
F91 use the muta chinese triange again no.. he doesn't, why would he? its used to bug scourges and obviously Strelok has no scourges.
Excuse me since I don't know much about the scourges bug. I am refering the "chinese triangle" to the spilting of F91's mutas into 3 groups forming a triangler shape.
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God.. Strelok, wtf.. Nony would be cool to play vs F91 becouse Nony has very strong mechanics while F91 has not.. Strelok either -_-
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On March 08 2009 02:36 LunarDestiny wrote:Show nested quote +On March 08 2009 02:33 Puosu wrote:On March 08 2009 02:33 LunarDestiny wrote:
F91 use the muta chinese triange again no.. he doesn't, why would he? its used to bug scourges and obviously Strelok has no scourges. Excuse me since I don't know much about the scourges bug. I am refering the "chinese triangle" to the spilting of F91's mutas into 3 groups forming a triangler shape.
lol you serious?now thats whole new definition for chinese triangle:D
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On March 08 2009 02:36 LunarDestiny wrote:Show nested quote +On March 08 2009 02:33 Puosu wrote:On March 08 2009 02:33 LunarDestiny wrote:
F91 use the muta chinese triange again no.. he doesn't, why would he? its used to bug scourges and obviously Strelok has no scourges. Excuse me since I don't know much about the scourges bug. I am refering the "chinese triangle" to the spilting of F91's mutas into 3 groups forming a triangler shape.
well that isn't the "chinese triangle" though, and I've never heard of spreading them like that, why would you do that?
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On March 08 2009 02:39 KOFgokuon wrote:
who is the obs?
I think it was Carnac last time at least, not sure this time.
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It is no surprise really. After F91 took out Idra, a practical pro, who practices with the members of CJ Entus, the current #1 in the WL, I think 5-2, you would think that Strelok wouldn't have much of a chance. I, myself didn't have to think too much, or worry either, about clicking down F91 for my liquibet.
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On March 08 2009 02:38 Puosu wrote:Show nested quote +On March 08 2009 02:36 LunarDestiny wrote:On March 08 2009 02:33 Puosu wrote:On March 08 2009 02:33 LunarDestiny wrote:
F91 use the muta chinese triange again no.. he doesn't, why would he? its used to bug scourges and obviously Strelok has no scourges. Excuse me since I don't know much about the scourges bug. I am refering the "chinese triangle" to the spilting of F91's mutas into 3 groups forming a triangler shape. well that isn't the "chinese triangle" though, and I've never heard of spreading them like that, why would you do that?
Oh, F91 was spilting his mutas into 3 group to dodge the valkryie missiles and attack it.
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On March 08 2009 02:40 Qwertify wrote:
It is no surprise really. After F91 took out Idra, a practical pro, who practices with the members of CJ Entus, the current #1 in the WL, I think 5-2, you would think that Strelok wouldn't have much of a chance. I, myself didn't have to think too much, or worry either, about clicking down F91 for my liquibet.
Ye I don't think anyone expected Strelok to win but really his execution so far has been soo bad, maybe he is just nervous or hasn't practiced at all.
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Bah, strelok plays just too predictable, f91 didnt didnt even scouted him past his wall and he skipped his lair and placed his 3rd hatch to wall off vults.
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I thought Strelok will win since he did so well in the World Cyber Game...
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On March 08 2009 02:38 Puosu wrote:Show nested quote +On March 08 2009 02:36 LunarDestiny wrote:On March 08 2009 02:33 Puosu wrote:On March 08 2009 02:33 LunarDestiny wrote:
F91 use the muta chinese triange again no.. he doesn't, why would he? its used to bug scourges and obviously Strelok has no scourges. Excuse me since I don't know much about the scourges bug. I am refering the "chinese triangle" to the spilting of F91's mutas into 3 groups forming a triangler shape. well that isn't the "chinese triangle" though, and I've never heard of spreading them like that, why would you do that?
I think he is just being inventive.
I don't know what 'Chinese triangle' refers to myself. I don't know why you use that kind of formation against a Terran. But whatever, I guess F91 did it someways or other.
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"F91 rolls dice to see what he's gonna go for" damn that made me laugh hard. It really feels so though and that's even more amazing, since standard play is kinda boring.
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It would be nice to get a korean to play F91 next.
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Hahahaha, "Strelok is going to have to hit the Vodka hard tonight."
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Nony or Mondragon should be an exciting pick for the next match. Koreans are too overpowered.
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On March 08 2009 02:44 PhorClayton wrote:
It would be nice to get a korean to play F91 next.
Definitely, his creative style would probably give him chances even versus a top level korean amateur/practice partner even.
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On March 08 2009 02:43 RA wrote:
"F91 rolls dice to see what he's gonna go for" damn that made me laugh hard. It really feels so though and that's even more amazing, since standard play is kinda boring.
The dice comes up.
The camera zooms in.
It is the picture of an infested Terran.
F91 raises an eyebrow and shrugs his shoulders. 'Ok.'
Strelok begins to sweat.
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omg the first good game
edit: lol
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Yet again Strelok has like 5~ marines queued in his barrackses, uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
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Amazing game, go Strelok!!!
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What is the score? Anyone?
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Huh, I wasn't watching for like 10 seconds and suddenly F91 has almost no base.. O_O xD
Score is F91 4:1 Strelok.. Probably 4:2 after this game
edit: Yea, 4:2 now
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On March 08 2009 02:49 Qwertify wrote:
What is the score? Anyone?
4:1 for F91
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On March 08 2009 02:49 kw31 wrote:
4:1 F91, going to 4:2 F91
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Ok, I looked back. I seems to be 4-1 F91.
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hahaah here are my lurkers please kill hahaha
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ROFL. Here's my lurkers, why don't you kill them? Artosis rocks.
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4:2 ... F91 playing a bit sloppy
didn't even care about the drops in his main
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These have been really wierd games so far o.0
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F91 had that game won but didn't care I guess.
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ITS 4:2 to F91 stop writing 4:1
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Games very different from what I am used to, to not say terrible :S
so far!
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It seriously looked like F91 didnt try at all there. That was god awful play by any standard. Much less someone at his level.
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and the steam goes down for the last game
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What happened? Stream is down or is it over?
I went for a quick bathroom stop and when I got back, where is it?! o_O
EDIT: Stream down... ok!
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woot last game stream dies
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almost went completely smoothly too haha
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On March 08 2009 02:53 TheFoReveRwaR wrote:
It seriously looked like F91 didnt try at all there. That was god awful play by any standard. Much less someone at his level.
Exact same happened when he won versus IdrA, the remaining games he just played casually trying out stuff.
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stream dead here
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"i wish my voice could penetrate space and time" chill is so poetic
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On March 08 2009 02:53 TheFoReveRwaR wrote:
It seriously looked like F91 didnt try at all there. That was god awful play by any standard. Much less someone at his level.
Well, up until he took the nat... Then, I guess he walked out for a Sprite.
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let's hope for an epic finish.
I want to see a 130+ supply game
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Actually yes, I've though so, too. He does kinda become more careless when he's 4 up.
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On March 08 2009 02:41 Puosu wrote:Show nested quote +On March 08 2009 02:40 Qwertify wrote:
It is no surprise really. After F91 took out Idra, a practical pro, who practices with the members of CJ Entus, the current #1 in the WL, I think 5-2, you would think that Strelok wouldn't have much of a chance. I, myself didn't have to think too much, or worry either, about clicking down F91 for my liquibet. Ye I don't think anyone expected Strelok to win but really his execution so far has been soo bad, maybe he is just nervous or hasn't practiced at all.
could be the lag. no LAN latency and it lagged anyway. im sure he's used to LAN latency and minimal lag. F91, being the lagger, is probably accustomed to lag
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On March 08 2009 02:55 malongo wrote:
"i wish my voice could penetrate space and time" chill is so poetic
Poetic?
All Chill wanted was to say "penetrate" in a live game!!!  hahaha
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On March 08 2009 02:53 Boblion wrote:
stream down
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On March 08 2009 02:55 RA wrote:
Actually yes, I've though so, too. He does kinda become more careless when he's 4 up.
Makes sense for this, although it doesn't really make sense for Broodsport, considering there was money on the line in each game.
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On March 08 2009 02:56 Liquid`NonY wrote:Show nested quote +On March 08 2009 02:41 Puosu wrote:On March 08 2009 02:40 Qwertify wrote:
It is no surprise really. After F91 took out Idra, a practical pro, who practices with the members of CJ Entus, the current #1 in the WL, I think 5-2, you would think that Strelok wouldn't have much of a chance. I, myself didn't have to think too much, or worry either, about clicking down F91 for my liquibet. Ye I don't think anyone expected Strelok to win but really his execution so far has been soo bad, maybe he is just nervous or hasn't practiced at all. could be the lag. no LAN latency and it lagged anyway. im sure he's used to LAN latency and minimal lag. F91, being the lagger, is probably accustomed to lag
Yeah thats true of course, I was surprised at how F91 was able to pull a few nice shots with the mutas in Tau Cross even though the latency is what it is.
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stleamu dlown
edit: stleamu upl!
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Nony challenge F91. You have a great PvZ
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looks like streams back up o.0
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Yay it's back! OGOGOGO GAME 7
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On March 08 2009 02:56 leandroqm wrote:Show nested quote +On March 08 2009 02:55 malongo wrote:
"i wish my voice could penetrate space and time" chill is so poetic Poetic? All Chill wanted was to say "penetrate" in a live game!!! hahaha
Chill also said that F.91 could take it both ways..
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"apparently our stream is dead..."
lol
artosis story time!!
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ROFL @ SKT commentator
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Artosis hurt my virgin ears. xD
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which commentator are they talking about? the one on GOMTV? Daniel "Super-daniel-man" Lee
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On March 08 2009 02:59 Chanted wrote:Show nested quote +On March 08 2009 02:56 leandroqm wrote:On March 08 2009 02:55 malongo wrote:
"i wish my voice could penetrate space and time" chill is so poetic Poetic? All Chill wanted was to say "penetrate" in a live game!!! hahaha Chill also said that F.91 could take it both ways..
Chill's very knowledgeable about the subject, huh?
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On March 08 2009 03:01 SweStorM wrote:
which commentator are they talking about? the one on GOMTV? Daniel "Super-daniel-man" Lee
No no no, he's a new korean commentator. Daniel Lee is a hero.
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On March 08 2009 03:01 SweStorM wrote:
which commentator are they talking about? the one on GOMTV? Daniel "Super-daniel-man" Lee
ex coach of SK Telecom T1, was kicked out about a year ago and now we know why!
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On March 08 2009 03:01 SweStorM wrote:
which commentator are they talking about? the one on GOMTV? Daniel "Super-daniel-man" Lee
No, he's awesome. And he casts in english, he was talking about a new Korean commentator.
(who had some position in SKT1? Did I hear that right? How is that possible if he's so lame?)
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Oh okay good. I like Daniel Lee hes a baller.
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On March 08 2009 03:07 NeVeR wrote:
Who won on Longinus?
F91
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On March 08 2009 03:07 NeVeR wrote:
Who won on Longinus?
F91 won on Longinus.Somehow there is a typo in first post's result spoiler, that says that nobody won on longinus and both players won on Tau
Right now it's:
F91 > Strelok Blue Storm
F91 > Strelok Longinus II
F91 < Strelok Tau Cross
F91 > Strelok Python
F91 > Strelok Medusa
F91 < Strelok Zodiac
F91 > Strelok Destination
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strelok is a pretty accurate depiction of foreign Terrans
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F91 with with 126 supply
Strelok with 47
gosh
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Same result as Idra vs F91 ?
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On March 08 2009 03:06 SweStorM wrote:
Oh okay good. I like Daniel Lee hes a baller.
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wooooooooooooooooot Nony!
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Fuck Yah. NonY
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Will there be replays from this Liquibition?
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Don't worry Strelok, you put up a great fight, fought fire with fire, unconventional play with unconventional play, it was -while somewhat short- very entertaining.
Also, practicing 12 hours a day (9,5 officially) for 9 months gets you the same result, so gj.
and:
OMG NONY!!!
epic! I can hardly keep myself from typing in all caps... 4-1 Nony gogo.
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Haha, the question is... Who's gonna dethrone Nony if he wins? lol
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Artosis:Nony's gonna roflsuffocate over that poor kid's face
LOL
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F91 5:2 Strelok
Duh, I voted 4:3, almost hit that one
Very nice games (and builds) from F91 tho.. And of course great commentary, thanks a lot for your work!
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On March 08 2009 02:57 -StrifeX- wrote:
Nony challenge F91. You have a great PvZ
I see you looked into the future
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On March 08 2009 03:19 Mista wrote:
Artosis:Nony's gonna roflsuffocate over that poor kid's face
LOL
no, it's "roflsupplecakes"
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sorry guys,but F91>>nony ( k,kill me now) ^_^
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Well if nony can't take him out, I don't think there is anyone else.
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On March 08 2009 03:23 NeVeR wrote:
Well if a protoss can't take him out, I don't think there is anyone else.
Fixed.
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It'll depend on the maps but I'm calling F91 5 - 2 Nony =)
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nope,a fire pokemon !! wait,what ? O_o
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On March 08 2009 03:25 mmdmmd wrote:
is nony terran?
No, he's a Night Elf...
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On March 08 2009 03:25 mmdmmd wrote:
is nony terran?
omg
Did you read any of the other posts on this page?
Did you not read? F91 v NoNy will make for a great PvZ?
Are you ever on this website?
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Didn't NoNy fail to get his Courage badge at the last tournament?
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On March 08 2009 03:27 Shikyo wrote:No, he's a Night Elf...
...come on.... is this really needed?
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On March 08 2009 03:29 Qwertify wrote:omg Did you read any of the other posts on this page? Did you not read? F91 v NoNy will make for a great PvZ? Are you ever on this website?
Calm down, the posts were fast after the nony announcement. By the time I type that out. It;s already been answered.
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On March 08 2009 03:27 Shikyo wrote:No, he's a Night Elf...
edit: i edited this out for good measure
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On March 08 2009 03:30 mmdmmd wrote:Show nested quote +On March 08 2009 03:29 Qwertify wrote:On March 08 2009 03:25 mmdmmd wrote:
is nony terran?
omg Did you read any of the other posts on this page? Did you not read? F91 v NoNy will make for a great PvZ? Are you ever on this website? Calm down, the posts were fast after the nony announcement. By the time I type that out. It;s already been answered.
sorry, that was a little uneccessary
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nony..
I cant forget his performance on the last PGL. Chinese audience like you, but I dont think you can win the best Chinese player.
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On March 08 2009 03:29 mmdmmd wrote:Show nested quote +On March 08 2009 03:27 Shikyo wrote:On March 08 2009 03:25 mmdmmd wrote:
is nony terran?
No, he's a Night Elf... ...come on.... is this really needed?
he's kidding, nony is undead
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Just a little nitpicking: in the results spoiler game 3 has both players bolded as winners.
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no liquidrama this time =[
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Wow, can any foreigner stop F91...
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On March 08 2009 03:37 miles wrote:
nony..
I cant forget his performance on the last PGL. Chinese audience like you, but I dont think you can win the best Chinese player.
I am convinced that the majority of TL's Chinese members registered their accounts specifically to talk down IdrA or NonY.
...you went through the entire registration process just to tell NonY he can't win? Way to go =/
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I personally don't see Nony winning against F91 either, but if any race has a chance, it's Protoss :X
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On March 08 2009 04:08 JWD wrote:Show nested quote +On March 08 2009 03:37 miles wrote:
nony..
I cant forget his performance on the last PGL. Chinese audience like you, but I dont think you can win the best Chinese player. I am convinced that the majority of TL's Chinese members registered their accounts specifically to talk down IdrA or NonY. ...you went through the entire registration process just to tell NonY he can't win? Way to go =/
What's wrong with supporting F91? You wouldn't be complaining if someone said that F91 had no chance against Nony... Anyways, congratulations F91, destroying all the best foreigners even WITH the Anti-zerg map pools!!!
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congrats to F91! he's definately my new favorite zerg player.
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I don't know how much nony is playing these days.. but if it isn't a bunch he won't give f91 a decent fight. Even in his best shape I'd favor f91 over him sadly
TL needs to get whitera, Lx, dreiven or someone..
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I honestly think Draco and F91 would be great for the next Liquibation..
was thinking of dreiven though.. but..
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On March 08 2009 04:16 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:
I personally don't see Nony winning against F91 either, but if any race has a chance, it's Protoss :X
Uh.
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On March 08 2009 04:17 Try wrote:Show nested quote +On March 08 2009 04:08 JWD wrote:On March 08 2009 03:37 miles wrote:
nony..
I cant forget his performance on the last PGL. Chinese audience like you, but I dont think you can win the best Chinese player. I am convinced that the majority of TL's Chinese members registered their accounts specifically to talk down IdrA or NonY. ...you went through the entire registration process just to tell NonY he can't win? Way to go =/ What's wrong with supporting F91? You wouldn't be complaining if someone said that F91 had no chance against Nony... Anyways, congratulations F91, destroying all the best foreigners even WITH the Anti-zerg map pools!!!
It wasn't so much what he said by itself, it was the context of him having signed up to say nony can't win in a blatant display of Chinese fanboyism. His post served no constructive value, if he was a long time member who said it no one would care.
I think the match will be good, but nony will win. Just back from Korea #2 courage, and was usually really good at PvZ.
edit: It bothers some people, not so much me, I just figured I would comment on it, I understand where the rational come from, I mean nony is a home town hero for us more or less, F91 is cool, but he isn't a posting regular who wears the Liquid' tag, etc. Plus he was foreign hope in Korea for a few months, and to just say he can't beat F91, even if he is really good, seems redundant.
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Replays for us poorer folks per chance?
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i donot think any foreigner can stop F91 now
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Why F91 is not in the TLPD yet?
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On March 08 2009 04:34 koreasilver wrote:Show nested quote +On March 08 2009 04:16 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:
I personally don't see Nony winning against F91 either, but if any race has a chance, it's Protoss :X Uh.
F91 has traditionally been weaker against Protoss than other races. That's where his old "cheesy" tag came from - from his habit of all-in'ing against Protoss. Not sure about now though. He does have Jaystar as a regular practice partner now...
But then again, he did lost 0:2 to Lx in the WCG China plays recently :X
Still gonna be cheering for F91 though. Woo.
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to be honest, based on recent plays, F91 definitely got more chance and confident to win the game vs Nony. I only know Nony performed bad on last PGL, and donot know if he still practice on Sc or not, but as a chinese fan, i almost saw F91 's online/offline games almost twice a week, although he lost LX, RUshgoon last week but his Zvp is quite good. not to mention that he lost 1-2 to stork but the 3rd game was close. I would rather believe he will win nony. at least i think he got 70% chance to win
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On March 08 2009 04:35 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:
I think the match will be good, but nony will win. Just back from Korea #2 courage, and was usually really good at PvZ.
Nony should totally win this one, because c'mon, I think he definitely has more experience than f91, after being in Korria & stuff.
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People should stop emphasizing the whole "Korea" thing. You have to realize that F91 and other top foreign pros aren't just people who play this casually, there's a reason they're called "pros:" they also spend 8+ hours a day practicing, and Lx and Pj used to be on Korean B-teams also, and they're on the same level as F91. Idra had the fabled "Korean training" but still couldn't hold a candle to F91, and he's an ACTIVE Korean B-teamer, as opposed to Nony who recently (retired?)
Just because someone's in Korea doesn't mean they're better or have more experience. No one can deny that as a nation, Korea is vastly superior to anyone else at Starcraft. But that doesn't mean that if someone went to Korea, they'd magically inherit the abilities of S-class gamers...
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On March 08 2009 04:38 cgrinker wrote:
Replays for us poorer folks per chance?
seconded, if possible.
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I'm excited for the VODs since I missed it live. I really enjoy the commentating of Artosis+Chill.
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On March 08 2009 04:54 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:
People should stop emphasizing the whole "Korea" thing. You have to realize that F91 and other top foreign pros aren't just people who play this casually, there's a reason they're called "pros:" they also spend 8+ hours a day practicing, and Lx and Pj used to be on Korean B-teams also, and they're on the same level as F91. Idra had the fabled "Korean training" but still couldn't hold a candle to F91, and he's an ACTIVE Korean B-teamer, as opposed to Nony who recently (retired?)
Just because someone's in Korea doesn't mean they're better or have more experience. No one can deny that as a nation, Korea is vastly superior to anyone else at Starcraft. But that doesn't mean that if someone went to Korea, they'd magically inherit the abilities of S-class gamers...
Um, no ones chalking improvement to the magical aura of being in Korea. They're chalking it up to following strict training regiments on a professional StarCraft team. That's much different than being an amatuer.
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On March 08 2009 04:50 Pheel0 wrote:
I think he definitely has more experience than f91, after being in Korria & stuff.
The guy above me, at least, said being in Korea = more experience. Not necessarily true.
And besides, Idra's strict training caused him to be unable to adapt to builds that he didn't expect, which basically cost him many of the games. My point is, someone shouldn't be proclaimed a favorite just due to Korean training.
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being in Korea means you have more chance to practice/train with the best sc players in korea, it has less to do with experience if you can only play with those B level players, I donot think if we put everyone in korea he will become a gosu, some time talent is needed. and own style is needed too.
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On March 08 2009 05:10 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:
And besides, Idra's strict training caused him to be unable to adapt to builds that he didn't expect, which basically cost him many of the games. My point is, someone shouldn't be proclaimed a favorite just due to Korean training.
idra was in the habit of doing the same build over and over again way before he went to kroea
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On March 08 2009 05:10 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:Show nested quote +On March 08 2009 04:50 Pheel0 wrote:
I think he definitely has more experience than f91, after being in Korria & stuff. The guy above me, at least, said being in Korea = more experience. Not necessarily true. And besides, Idra's strict training caused him to be unable to adapt to builds that he didn't expect, which basically cost him many of the games. My point is, someone shouldn't be proclaimed a favorite just due to Korean training.
Using one example to back up your logic is stupid. Being in Korea doesn't give you more experience; it gives you much greater access to the tools which give you more experience.
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GGs today, looks like Strelok did his best.
I didnt really enjoy today's games, but whatever^^
Nony next is nice, but I still think he can get 1 game max from F91, given F91's current vs P.
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On March 08 2009 03:29 Qwertify wrote:
Didn't NoNy fail to get his Courage badge at the last tournament?
yeah, he lost 2-1 in the finals though.
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On March 08 2009 04:38 pure)3.41 wrote:
i donot think any foreigner can stop F91 now wut i was thinkin lol
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Chill + Artosis! Great! Can't wait!
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On March 08 2009 04:31 {88}iNcontroL wrote:I don't know how much nony is playing these days.. but if it isn't a bunch he won't give f91 a decent fight. Even in his best shape I'd favor f91 over him sadly TL needs to get whitera, Lx, dreiven or someone..
I think LX is the best out of those three, but then, who would beat LX?
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lots of anti f91...so much for asian-foreigner support around here huh..sigh
gogo f91, didnt know of you before the last liquibition but now I do and I enjoy your games.
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can we invite Sea[shield] back?
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Why exactly is F91 NOT considered a foreigner??
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On March 08 2009 06:31 b3h47pte wrote:
can we invite Sea[shield] back?
So we can get rid of this "Chinese zerg?"
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Apparently F91 and Strelok were tied on Tau Cross, and no one won the second game .
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On March 08 2009 07:01 BisuBoi wrote:
Why exactly is F91 NOT considered a foreigner??
Because then europeans and americans who consider themselves good would lose there ranking  .
+ Show Spoiler +
China has its own league and scene they are pro's in all reality. With the lag issues that seperate china and russia from the rest of the world (most of the time) we just have very seperate communities.
Nony better train at least some games with no lan lat and/or extra high latency to make sure his micro and storm timing aren't off. oystein played f91 is severe lag a few weeks back and he still teched muta and sniped temps like nothing.
Also his builds were 3 hat muta -> 5 hat pure hydra. and 9poolspeed -> 2 hat muta. With lag it is impossible to dodge scourge with sairs.
I don't know if you guys realize but f91 does use lag to his advantage.
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On March 08 2009 05:03 Chill wrote:Show nested quote +On March 08 2009 04:54 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:
People should stop emphasizing the whole "Korea" thing. You have to realize that F91 and other top foreign pros aren't just people who play this casually, there's a reason they're called "pros:" they also spend 8+ hours a day practicing, and Lx and Pj used to be on Korean B-teams also, and they're on the same level as F91. Idra had the fabled "Korean training" but still couldn't hold a candle to F91, and he's an ACTIVE Korean B-teamer, as opposed to Nony who recently (retired?)
Just because someone's in Korea doesn't mean they're better or have more experience. No one can deny that as a nation, Korea is vastly superior to anyone else at Starcraft. But that doesn't mean that if someone went to Korea, they'd magically inherit the abilities of S-class gamers... Um, no ones chalking improvement to the magical aura of being in Korea. They're chalking it up to following strict training regiments on a professional StarCraft team. That's much different than being an amatuer.
It has yet to be proven that the korean approach to starcraft actually works with non-koreans.
There are amatuers that are better then any of the players who have been or are in korea also.
I agree with you sheep. People need to quit overrating the korean experience. Now nony is a different story then idra anyway, he went to korea as one of the best outside of korea anyway. I'm sure we will see more map dependent results then we have seen so far in nony vs f91.
Good Luck Nony!
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F91 vs Nony 4:0 (4:1 with some luck)
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On March 08 2009 08:11 ahswtini wrote:
I want vods :/
ETA on VODs?
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On March 08 2009 07:34 AttackZerg wrote:Show nested quote +On March 08 2009 07:01 BisuBoi wrote:
Why exactly is F91 NOT considered a foreigner?? Because then europeans and americans who consider themselves good would lose there ranking . + Show Spoiler +China has its own league and scene they are pro's in all reality. With the lag issues that seperate china and russia from the rest of the world (most of the time) we just have very seperate communities. Nony better train at least some games with no lan lat and/or extra high latency to make sure his micro and storm timing aren't off. oystein played f91 is severe lag a few weeks back and he still teched muta and sniped temps like nothing. Also his builds were 3 hat muta -> 5 hat pure hydra. and 9poolspeed -> 2 hat muta. With lag it is impossible to dodge scourge with sairs. I don't know if you guys realize but f91 does use lag to his advantage.
Ah that makes sense. Thanks for the explanation.
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does anyone know when the VODs r gonna be posted?
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so nony is the next challenger and chill and artosis are going to cast?
that's wicked. TL is pretty damn impressive, first they get idra to play in an ultimate showdown against f91, and then a month later they get the other recent progamer nony to play.
thanks so much for organizing this guys 
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On March 08 2009 04:50 Pheel0 wrote:
Nony should totally win this one, because c'mon, I think he definitely has more experience than f91, after being in Korria & stuff.
Idra?
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On March 08 2009 09:33 mmdmmd wrote:Show nested quote +On March 08 2009 04:50 Pheel0 wrote:
Nony should totally win this one, because c'mon, I think he definitely has more experience than f91, after being in Korria & stuff. Idra?
QFT. I think NonY is the last foreigner (other than maybe Mondragon) who has a realistic shot at taking down F91. If he fails, we be watching F91 on Liquibition for a long time .
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If Nony falls, send in ret.
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What's the ETA on Vods, and also F91 v Nony?
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if nony fails send in TOAD
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On March 08 2009 09:39 Centric wrote:Show nested quote +On March 08 2009 09:33 mmdmmd wrote:On March 08 2009 04:50 Pheel0 wrote:
Nony should totally win this one, because c'mon, I think he definitely has more experience than f91, after being in Korria & stuff. Idra? QFT. I think NonY is the last foreigner (other than maybe Mondragon) who has a realistic shot at taking down F91. If he fails, we be watching F91 on Liquibition for a long time .
like mog87 says, i'd assume a really well practiced ret would have a shot
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On March 08 2009 07:34 AttackZerg wrote:Show nested quote +On March 08 2009 07:01 BisuBoi wrote:
Why exactly is F91 NOT considered a foreigner?? Because then europeans and americans who consider themselves good would lose there ranking . + Show Spoiler +China has its own league and scene they are pro's in all reality. With the lag issues that seperate china and russia from the rest of the world (most of the time) we just have very seperate communities. Nony better train at least some games with no lan lat and/or extra high latency to make sure his micro and storm timing aren't off. oystein played f91 is severe lag a few weeks back and he still teched muta and sniped temps like nothing. Also his builds were 3 hat muta -> 5 hat pure hydra. and 9poolspeed -> 2 hat muta. With lag it is impossible to dodge scourge with sairs. I don't know if you guys realize but f91 does use lag to his advantage.
Just one mistake. F91 is the type of player who depends heavily on his micro. He can't control mutas well to take out SCVs or scourges if the lag is too severe. Terran players will have big advantage as they won't have to worry about F91's Muta harassment.
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On March 08 2009 10:48 Calvinbobo wrote:Show nested quote +On March 08 2009 07:34 AttackZerg wrote:On March 08 2009 07:01 BisuBoi wrote:
Why exactly is F91 NOT considered a foreigner?? Because then europeans and americans who consider themselves good would lose there ranking . + Show Spoiler +China has its own league and scene they are pro's in all reality. With the lag issues that seperate china and russia from the rest of the world (most of the time) we just have very seperate communities. Nony better train at least some games with no lan lat and/or extra high latency to make sure his micro and storm timing aren't off. oystein played f91 is severe lag a few weeks back and he still teched muta and sniped temps like nothing. Also his builds were 3 hat muta -> 5 hat pure hydra. and 9poolspeed -> 2 hat muta. With lag it is impossible to dodge scourge with sairs. I don't know if you guys realize but f91 does use lag to his advantage. Just one mistake. F91 is the type of player who depends heavily on his micro. He can't control mutas well to take out SCVs or scourges if the lag is too severe. Terran players will have big advantage as they won't have to worry about F91's Muta harassment.
whether there's lag (vs strelok) or not (vs idra) he still did waaaaaay more lurker builds than a normal zerg. his muta games were relatively weak, lag or not. so drop the future tense and watch some vods
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On March 08 2009 07:49 AttackZerg wrote:Show nested quote +On March 08 2009 05:03 Chill wrote:On March 08 2009 04:54 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:
People should stop emphasizing the whole "Korea" thing. You have to realize that F91 and other top foreign pros aren't just people who play this casually, there's a reason they're called "pros:" they also spend 8+ hours a day practicing, and Lx and Pj used to be on Korean B-teams also, and they're on the same level as F91. Idra had the fabled "Korean training" but still couldn't hold a candle to F91, and he's an ACTIVE Korean B-teamer, as opposed to Nony who recently (retired?)
Just because someone's in Korea doesn't mean they're better or have more experience. No one can deny that as a nation, Korea is vastly superior to anyone else at Starcraft. But that doesn't mean that if someone went to Korea, they'd magically inherit the abilities of S-class gamers... Um, no ones chalking improvement to the magical aura of being in Korea. They're chalking it up to following strict training regiments on a professional StarCraft team. That's much different than being an amatuer. It has yet to be proven that the korean approach to starcraft actually works with non-koreans. There are amatuers that are better then any of the players who have been or are in korea also. I agree with you sheep. People need to quit overrating the korean experience. Now nony is a different story then idra anyway, he went to korea as one of the best outside of korea anyway. I'm sure we will see more map dependent results then we have seen so far in nony vs f91. Good Luck Nony!
what? did you just mash the keys randomly when you published this masterpiece of nonsense, or what?
don't use labels like 'the korean approach' or 'the korean experience' to hide your meaning, even though i don't think you know what you're obfuscating; there is no magical approach, it's just rigorous practice, and to think that one particular culture will benefit from rigorous practice when another wouldn't is pretty stupid. rigorous practice is how every professional suceeds and excels at every sport.
even more stupid is somehow using the debatable success of foreign progamers in korea as being evidence towards rigorous practice not working for foreigners. just rofl man
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On March 08 2009 04:08 JWD wrote:Show nested quote +On March 08 2009 03:37 miles wrote:
nony..
I cant forget his performance on the last PGL. Chinese audience like you, but I dont think you can win the best Chinese player. I am convinced that the majority of TL's Chinese members registered their accounts specifically to talk down IdrA or NonY. ...you went through the entire registration process just to tell NonY he can't win? Way to go =/
i think the majority of chinese fans are good mannered and good sports!
there are a lot of them and a small percentage will be bad mannered. they stick out
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On March 08 2009 10:53 Liquid`NonY wrote:Show nested quote +On March 08 2009 04:08 JWD wrote:On March 08 2009 03:37 miles wrote:
nony..
I cant forget his performance on the last PGL. Chinese audience like you, but I dont think you can win the best Chinese player. I am convinced that the majority of TL's Chinese members registered their accounts specifically to talk down IdrA or NonY. ...you went through the entire registration process just to tell NonY he can't win? Way to go =/ i think the majority of chinese fans are good mannered and good sports! there are a lot of them and a small percentage will be bad mannered. they stick out
OMG, are u the guy that's going to play F91?
What you think of his games? How would you rate his
Offense
Defense
Micro
Macro
Multitasking
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RAWR me want VODs
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Hopefully VODs come out today.
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I missed the game
Btw, what does SOON mean, I have been waiting for a whole day
However thanks anyway
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On March 08 2009 11:48 mmdmmd wrote:Show nested quote +On March 08 2009 10:53 Liquid`NonY wrote:On March 08 2009 04:08 JWD wrote:On March 08 2009 03:37 miles wrote:
nony..
I cant forget his performance on the last PGL. Chinese audience like you, but I dont think you can win the best Chinese player. I am convinced that the majority of TL's Chinese members registered their accounts specifically to talk down IdrA or NonY. ...you went through the entire registration process just to tell NonY he can't win? Way to go =/ i think the majority of chinese fans are good mannered and good sports! there are a lot of them and a small percentage will be bad mannered. they stick out OMG, are u the guy that's going to play F91?
Yes, that Nony
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On March 08 2009 12:40 Lewis wrote:
I missed the game
Btw, what does SOON mean, I have been waiting for a whole day
However thanks anyway
VOD probably will be up about 15 hrs after the cast. At least that was about the amount of time it took last time.
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On March 08 2009 10:50 Liquid`NonY wrote:Show nested quote +On March 08 2009 10:48 Calvinbobo wrote:On March 08 2009 07:34 AttackZerg wrote:On March 08 2009 07:01 BisuBoi wrote:
Why exactly is F91 NOT considered a foreigner?? Because then europeans and americans who consider themselves good would lose there ranking . + Show Spoiler +China has its own league and scene they are pro's in all reality. With the lag issues that seperate china and russia from the rest of the world (most of the time) we just have very seperate communities. Nony better train at least some games with no lan lat and/or extra high latency to make sure his micro and storm timing aren't off. oystein played f91 is severe lag a few weeks back and he still teched muta and sniped temps like nothing. Also his builds were 3 hat muta -> 5 hat pure hydra. and 9poolspeed -> 2 hat muta. With lag it is impossible to dodge scourge with sairs. I don't know if you guys realize but f91 does use lag to his advantage. Just one mistake. F91 is the type of player who depends heavily on his micro. He can't control mutas well to take out SCVs or scourges if the lag is too severe. Terran players will have big advantage as they won't have to worry about F91's Muta harassment. whether there's lag (vs strelok) or not (vs idra) he still did waaaaaay more lurker builds than a normal zerg. his muta games were relatively weak, lag or not. so drop the future tense and watch some vods
Since you're reading this, I have to ask. Do you think the lag will affect your match with F91? I know this was an issue both against Jianfei and against Strelok. And since I'm guessing you're back in the US now, the lag issue really could come into play.
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It's taking every last ounce of self control that i possess NOT to click the "show spoiler" link lol >.< I will be refreshing my browser until i see those VODs Liquibition is secksi.
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On March 08 2009 18:21 besseriym wrote:It's taking every last ounce of self control that i possess NOT to click the "show spoiler" link lol >.< I will be refreshing my browser until i see those VODs Liquibition is secksi.
Don't even read this thread. You're gonna get spoiled.
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On March 08 2009 18:21 besseriym wrote:It's taking every last ounce of self control that i possess NOT to click the "show spoiler" link lol >.< I will be refreshing my browser until i see those VODs Liquibition is secksi.
I've been refreshing every 30-60 mins for the past 8 hours.... Why are VODs taking so long to be put up?
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i'm thinking this one's gonna be very close. nony does have an ace up his sleeve though, he has 14 replays of f91 to watch from TL alone, and i'm thinking that f91 hasn't seen him play probably since that tournament in china, correct me if i'm wrong but there are no replays available of nony in the last 6 months(at least). also nony's mechanics should be good enough to take advantage of the fact that, like chill is always pointing out, f91 for some reason persists with suboptimal builds, maybe nony can show us why the koreans stopped using those a year or two back..
on the other hand i dont think any foreigner has the understanding of the game flow, strategy, army positioning, tactics and excellent in-game decision making that f91 has shown in the games that mattered.
i'm gonna say 4:3 for either nony or f91
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i didnt watch this vids but i glad he has grown and his style is no longer just cheesy micro all in builds
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There's no need uploading the vods when you already spoiled it for us.
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On March 08 2009 11:48 mmdmmd wrote:Show nested quote +On March 08 2009 10:53 Liquid`NonY wrote:On March 08 2009 04:08 JWD wrote:On March 08 2009 03:37 miles wrote:
nony..
I cant forget his performance on the last PGL. Chinese audience like you, but I dont think you can win the best Chinese player. I am convinced that the majority of TL's Chinese members registered their accounts specifically to talk down IdrA or NonY. ...you went through the entire registration process just to tell NonY he can't win? Way to go =/ i think the majority of chinese fans are good mannered and good sports! there are a lot of them and a small percentage will be bad mannered. they stick out OMG, are u the guy that's going to play F91? What you think of his games? How would you rate his Offense Defense Micro Macro Multitasking
that was a great idea actually. like they did in GOM. let the community vote on that, and let the players rate eachother.
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my sig:< hopefully Nony proves me wrong.
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Usually how long it takes for vods to be uploaded?
I think last time it is much faster, maybe I remembered wrong.
Missed stream yesterday, now I am kicking myself.
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vods not soon enough:D......please hurry up
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vods pls
thx
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I need those vods before my pizza gets here
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On March 09 2009 01:14 Wotans_Fire wrote:I need those vods before my pizza gets here
I'm in exactly the same position!
Also Zoler, just hearing Chill's sexy voice is enough reason to DL those vods.
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Hmmmmm I wonder if now I also say "VODS plz!!" theyre actually gonna upload them way faster than they would otherwise...........
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On March 09 2009 01:21 Adeny wrote:Show nested quote +On March 09 2009 01:14 Wotans_Fire wrote:I need those vods before my pizza gets here I'm in exactly the same position! Also Zoler, just hearing Chill's sexy voice is enough reason to DL those vods.
Plexas voice is waay cooler ^^
So is Artosis, sorry Chill!
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What is going on with everyone doubting Nony? NONY FIGHTING, 7-0 baby!
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On March 09 2009 02:53 7mk wrote:
Hmmmmm I wonder if now I also say "VODS plz!!" theyre actually gonna upload them way faster than they would otherwise...........
plz do it, we´ll never know otherwise
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On March 08 2009 23:18 SnowFalling wrote:Show nested quote +On March 08 2009 11:48 mmdmmd wrote:On March 08 2009 10:53 Liquid`NonY wrote:On March 08 2009 04:08 JWD wrote:On March 08 2009 03:37 miles wrote:
nony..
I cant forget his performance on the last PGL. Chinese audience like you, but I dont think you can win the best Chinese player. I am convinced that the majority of TL's Chinese members registered their accounts specifically to talk down IdrA or NonY. ...you went through the entire registration process just to tell NonY he can't win? Way to go =/ i think the majority of chinese fans are good mannered and good sports! there are a lot of them and a small percentage will be bad mannered. they stick out OMG, are u the guy that's going to play F91? What you think of his games? How would you rate his Offense Defense Micro Macro Multitasking that was a great idea actually. like they did in GOM. let the community vote on that, and let the players rate eachother.
i would like to see what they think about each other and yeah is great idea let the players rate eachother
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Will the VODs be uploaded to YouTube? Would be great for all the poor university students with blocked ports.. what else to do during those boring lectures.
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On March 09 2009 03:02 Zoler wrote:Show nested quote +On March 09 2009 01:21 Adeny wrote:On March 09 2009 01:14 Wotans_Fire wrote:I need those vods before my pizza gets here I'm in exactly the same position! Also Zoler, just hearing Chill's sexy voice is enough reason to DL those vods. Plexas voice is waay cooler ^^ So is Artosis, sorry Chill!
actually, the accent kind of bothers me
im mean not like terrible, but i preffer the more informal, kinna casual commentary myself... where its funny but interesting. and not retarded (like so many commentators on you tube >.< ) i think tasteless is probably the very best english comentator in my opinion. i think if Plexa said "rape" one more time... in the F-91 games, i would have turned it off.
but in all fairness. of course, all of them do a better job then I ever could, im fully aware of that
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Why are the VOD's taking so long ? Usually they were uploaded quicker, at least I think so.
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On March 09 2009 04:48 Pheel0 wrote:Why are the VOD's taking so long ? Usually they were uploaded quicker, at least I think so.
Pretty please I'am so close to finding out the score.
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I hope the VODs are up soon, cause I won´t have time to watch them during the rest of the week
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vods pls or even better reps!
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On March 09 2009 03:02 Zoler wrote:Show nested quote +On March 09 2009 01:21 Adeny wrote:On March 09 2009 01:14 Wotans_Fire wrote:I need those vods before my pizza gets here I'm in exactly the same position! Also Zoler, just hearing Chill's sexy voice is enough reason to DL those vods. Plexas voice is waay cooler ^^ So is Artosis, sorry Chill!
I'll have to disagree. Chill is superior to Plexa in every aspect of commentating.
Not that Plexa isn't good, but Chill is just better imo =)
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Indeed. I hate to admit it, but Chill is >> than Plexa or anybody else that i've heard from tl and in combination with Artosis... it should be fun.
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On March 09 2009 05:25 FlamyDeath wrote:Show nested quote +On March 09 2009 03:02 Zoler wrote:On March 09 2009 01:21 Adeny wrote:On March 09 2009 01:14 Wotans_Fire wrote:I need those vods before my pizza gets here I'm in exactly the same position! Also Zoler, just hearing Chill's sexy voice is enough reason to DL those vods. Plexas voice is waay cooler ^^ So is Artosis, sorry Chill! I'll have to disagree. Chill is superior to Plexa in every aspect of commentating. Not that Plexa isn't good, but Chill is just better imo =)
Err what? What does that has to do with anything?
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On March 09 2009 05:57 QuickSandSlowly wrote:+ Show Spoiler +ARRGG WHERE ARE THEM VODS!!!
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On March 09 2009 06:17 Zoler wrote:Show nested quote +On March 09 2009 05:25 FlamyDeath wrote:On March 09 2009 03:02 Zoler wrote:
Plexas voice is waay cooler ^^
So is Artosis, sorry Chill! I'll have to disagree. Chill is superior to Plexa in every aspect of commentating. Not that Plexa isn't good, but Chill is just better imo =) Err what? What does that has to do with anything?
which part of "every aspect" don't you understand?
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When back to the thread again, I cannot believe the VODs still haven't come out
Next time it's better giving an estimated time, like three days later instead of soon
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On March 09 2009 04:55 Maenander wrote:I hope the VODs are up soon, cause I won´t have time to watch them during the rest of the week
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I want to watch this so badly. How soon is "soon"? The anticipation is killing me! =)
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On March 09 2009 05:25 FlamyDeath wrote:Show nested quote +On March 09 2009 03:02 Zoler wrote:On March 09 2009 01:21 Adeny wrote:On March 09 2009 01:14 Wotans_Fire wrote:I need those vods before my pizza gets here I'm in exactly the same position! Also Zoler, just hearing Chill's sexy voice is enough reason to DL those vods. Plexas voice is waay cooler ^^ So is Artosis, sorry Chill! I'll have to disagree. Chill is superior to Plexa in every aspect of commentating. Not that Plexa isn't good, but Chill is just better imo =)
Have to agree this.
Chill's game analysis is very good.
But Plexa always makes some mistakes here and there.
Accent thing is actually a turn off for me.
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On March 09 2009 06:45 Lewis wrote:
When back to the thread again, I cannot believe the VODs still haven't come out
Next time it's better giving an estimated time, like three days later instead of soon They should have been up by now, I'm not sure why they are not, but it was certainly not planned...
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Too much DotA makes for not enough VODs. Working on them now, I promise .
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oh how much I loathe DotA
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The suspense is killing me! lol.
I'm surprised i've been able to avoid spoiling the results for myself so far.
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On March 09 2009 07:47 R1CH wrote:Too much DotA makes for not enough VODs. Working on them now, I promise .
Another reason for me to hate DotA!!
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On March 09 2009 07:59 besseriym wrote:
The suspense is killing me! lol.
I'm surprised i've been able to avoid spoiling the results for myself so far.
Second that!
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I couldn't wait and read the spoilers, I still want to watch the vods though.
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On March 09 2009 08:05 AlphaxOmega wrote:
I couldn't wait and read the spoilers, I still want to watch the vods though.
Lol I waited all day and decided to bet on the 2 new liquibets, and I didn't expect the liquibition matchup to be so high on the screen so I saw it -.- Still wanting to watch as well.
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Fuck. The latest poll was a nice spoiler =[
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On March 09 2009 08:46 Roxen000 wrote:
Fuck. The latest poll was a nice spoiler =[
Wow lol I didn't even realize that.
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Nony isn't undefeatble but it would be great if he stick there a long time
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On March 09 2009 09:23 charcute wrote:
Nony isn't undefeatble but it would be great if he stick there a long time
Is it just me or am I the only who thinks nony is the major underdog here...
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depends on how much he played the last weeks
i'd say its pretty even
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On March 09 2009 08:46 Roxen000 wrote:
Fuck. The latest poll was a nice spoiler =[
Haha, that's how I got spoiled too.
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+ Show Spoiler +On March 09 2009 10:16 Djin)ftw( wrote:
depends on how much he played the last weeks
i'd say its pretty even I'll put Nony on the same level as JF, Idra and Stelok. To say its about even would suggest Nony would beat all 3 of them by a comfortable margin.
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+ Show Spoiler +On March 09 2009 10:23 fearus wrote:Show nested quote +On March 09 2009 10:16 Djin)ftw( wrote:
depends on how much he played the last weeks
i'd say its pretty even I'll put Nony on the same level as JF, Idra and Stelok. To say its about even would suggest Nony would beat all 3 of them by a comfortable margin. not really though they may be on the same level, they have different strengths and weaknesses. So because f91 beat them doesnt mean hell beat Nony, and they play different races as well which is an important factor. And its not to say if f91 replayed say idra that hed win 5-2 again. Either way I hope for a good series.
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mog87 is obviously right...
also how do you know what level nony is at, whats the last time you saw a match of him? surely a long time ago...
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On March 08 2009 10:53 CTStalker wrote:Show nested quote +On March 08 2009 07:49 AttackZerg wrote:On March 08 2009 05:03 Chill wrote:On March 08 2009 04:54 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:
People should stop emphasizing the whole "Korea" thing. You have to realize that F91 and other top foreign pros aren't just people who play this casually, there's a reason they're called "pros:" they also spend 8+ hours a day practicing, and Lx and Pj used to be on Korean B-teams also, and they're on the same level as F91. Idra had the fabled "Korean training" but still couldn't hold a candle to F91, and he's an ACTIVE Korean B-teamer, as opposed to Nony who recently (retired?)
Just because someone's in Korea doesn't mean they're better or have more experience. No one can deny that as a nation, Korea is vastly superior to anyone else at Starcraft. But that doesn't mean that if someone went to Korea, they'd magically inherit the abilities of S-class gamers... Um, no ones chalking improvement to the magical aura of being in Korea. They're chalking it up to following strict training regiments on a professional StarCraft team. That's much different than being an amatuer. It has yet to be proven that the korean approach to starcraft actually works with non-koreans. There are amatuers that are better then any of the players who have been or are in korea also. I agree with you sheep. People need to quit overrating the korean experience. Now nony is a different story then idra anyway, he went to korea as one of the best outside of korea anyway. I'm sure we will see more map dependent results then we have seen so far in nony vs f91. Good Luck Nony! what? did you just mash the keys randomly when you published this masterpiece of nonsense, or what? don't use labels like 'the korean approach' or 'the korean experience' to hide your meaning, even though i don't think you know what you're obfuscating; there is no magical approach, it's just rigorous practice, and to think that one particular culture will benefit from rigorous practice when another wouldn't is pretty stupid. rigorous practice is how every professional suceeds and excels at every sport. even more stupid is somehow using the debatable success of foreign progamers in korea as being evidence towards rigorous practice not working for foreigners. just rofl man
Wow its really funny you spent a while writing that pathetic extent of an arugment but I forgive you, but I never didn't think you were a fucking moron.
YES ACTUALLY I DO BELIEVE THE KOREAN APPROACH TO STARCRAFT IS NEGATIVE FOR ALOT OF NONE KOREANS RERKUL AND OTHERS HAVE SAID THIS THEMSELVES, ALONG WITH NONY ASKING FOR LESS PRACTICING HOURS. REKRUL SUMS IT UP AS A CRAZY INSANE INGRAINED/CULTURAL WORK EITHER.
Practicing alot or too much cannot make everybody good enough to compete or it can drain somebodys will to compete. Why do you think we've lost so many of our best players over the years? Maybe they played 1 game to long and burnt out?
Rofl at being a retard. Practicing like koreans has yet to show any positive effects for any non-koreans.
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On March 09 2009 13:13 AttackZerg wrote:Show nested quote +On March 08 2009 10:53 CTStalker wrote:On March 08 2009 07:49 AttackZerg wrote:On March 08 2009 05:03 Chill wrote:On March 08 2009 04:54 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:
People should stop emphasizing the whole "Korea" thing. You have to realize that F91 and other top foreign pros aren't just people who play this casually, there's a reason they're called "pros:" they also spend 8+ hours a day practicing, and Lx and Pj used to be on Korean B-teams also, and they're on the same level as F91. Idra had the fabled "Korean training" but still couldn't hold a candle to F91, and he's an ACTIVE Korean B-teamer, as opposed to Nony who recently (retired?)
Just because someone's in Korea doesn't mean they're better or have more experience. No one can deny that as a nation, Korea is vastly superior to anyone else at Starcraft. But that doesn't mean that if someone went to Korea, they'd magically inherit the abilities of S-class gamers... Um, no ones chalking improvement to the magical aura of being in Korea. They're chalking it up to following strict training regiments on a professional StarCraft team. That's much different than being an amatuer. It has yet to be proven that the korean approach to starcraft actually works with non-koreans. There are amatuers that are better then any of the players who have been or are in korea also. I agree with you sheep. People need to quit overrating the korean experience. Now nony is a different story then idra anyway, he went to korea as one of the best outside of korea anyway. I'm sure we will see more map dependent results then we have seen so far in nony vs f91. Good Luck Nony! what? did you just mash the keys randomly when you published this masterpiece of nonsense, or what? don't use labels like 'the korean approach' or 'the korean experience' to hide your meaning, even though i don't think you know what you're obfuscating; there is no magical approach, it's just rigorous practice, and to think that one particular culture will benefit from rigorous practice when another wouldn't is pretty stupid. rigorous practice is how every professional suceeds and excels at every sport. even more stupid is somehow using the debatable success of foreign progamers in korea as being evidence towards rigorous practice not working for foreigners. just rofl man Wow its really funny you spent a while writing that pathetic extent of an arugment but I forgive you, but I never didn't think you were a fucking moron. YES ACTUALLY I DO BELIEVE THE KOREAN APPROACH TO STARCRAFT IS NEGATIVE FOR ALOT OF NONE KOREANS RERKUL AND OTHERS HAVE SAID THIS THEMSELVES, ALONG WITH NONY ASKING FOR LESS PRACTICING HOURS. REKRUL SUMS IT UP AS A CRAZY INSANE INGRAINED/CULTURAL WORK EITHER. Practicing alot or too much cannot make everybody good enough to compete or it can drain somebodys will to compete. Why do you think we've lost so many of our best players over the years? Maybe they played 1 game to long and burnt out? Rofl at being a retard. Practicing like koreans has yet to show any positive effects for any non-koreans. "but I never didn't think you were a fucking moron." ROFL!
What is this jibberish? Half of this is completely unreadable.
If practicing like a Korean isn't the way to get to the top, what is? Good Kim-Chi? The vast majority of non-koreans have no set practice routine or schedule.
I refuse to believe that there aren't any naturally talented and capable human beings outside of Korea. If it isn't good practice habits that makes you improve, what do you suggest?
Most foreigners hate the reality that they have to practice hard to improve. Many don't have the time or patience for it. It's hard work. That's why you have people like AttackZerg QQ'ing everytime "practice" aka "work" is brought up.
Someone call the wahmbulance...
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Does anyone know why the VODs are delayed?
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On March 09 2009 14:19 DragoonPK wrote:
Does anyone know why the VODs are delayed?
I am wondering the same thing.
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R1CH said he was working on VODs hours ago. He might have gone back to playing DotA.
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Yeah really, I am trying to be patient but I am dying here.
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On March 09 2009 14:51 Resonance wrote:
Yeah really, I am trying to be patient but I am dying here.
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On March 09 2009 14:30 SearingShadow wrote:R1CH said he was working on VODs hours ago. He might have gone back to playing DotA.
Just finished an epic 90 minute game. They should be ready within the hour!
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Here's a theory. First take away replays to promote the VODs from the stream. Then take away the VODs for a while to promote the next stream!
Just messing around while I wait agonizingly for the VODs.
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On March 09 2009 15:11 R1CH wrote:Show nested quote +On March 09 2009 14:30 SearingShadow wrote:R1CH said he was working on VODs hours ago. He might have gone back to playing DotA. Just finished an epic 90 minute game. They should be ready within the hour!
Awesome, will watch hopefully before the 18:00 CJ vs KTF match ^^
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It looks like i'll have to stay up for another few hours then lol. Good thing i checked the thread before i went to sleep. I hope they're really good games
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Its becoming more and more difficult to dodge the spoilers. Godspeed R1CH =S
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YAY!!! Thanks R1CH! =D
Also, damn you; I was about to go to bed ^_^ I'm totally stoked to hear Artosis and Chill cast this.
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fugg yes !
Thanks!
I think it's pretty cool how you guys go through the trouble of attempting to keep the results hidden (as much as possible at least lol.) That is much appreciated ;o (as well as all the work you guys put into this stuff!)
Time to pause the other torrents and unthrottle the bandwidth overnight to share the wealth.
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hey guys, i just realized sumthing...
the whole seedler/leecher process is just like polymerase chain reaction. except with a couple of modifiers for electronic form
this should blow everyone's mind..
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On March 09 2009 11:03 7mk wrote:
mog87 is obviously right...
also how do you know what level nony is at, whats the last time you saw a match of him? surely a long time ago...
So... you are suggesting that by moving out of korea and not playing as much he has actually improved?
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Any chance for some special arrangements like the ones you made for broodsport for us that can't download torrents?
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Could someone please upload the VODs to FileFront. You don't have to upload each video by it self. Just go to the above link and click "Browse". Find the zip folder with the videos in it then click "Upload file".
To download from torrent would take me 10 hours and to download off FileFront would take be 15 minutes.
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On March 09 2009 16:44 SearingShadow wrote:Could someone please upload the VODs to FileFront. You don't have to upload each video by it self. Just go to the above link and click "Browse". Find the zip folder with the videos in it then click "Upload file". To download from torrent would take me 10 hours and to download off FileFront would take be 15 minutes.
I'll do it when my torrent finishes as long as someone doesn't beat me to it.
I started it just as it was available and I'm only at 31.6% finished, so we'll see =)
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yaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay vods =D, wow and some nice dl speed
Thanks!
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On March 09 2009 16:50 Delirium wrote:Show nested quote +On March 09 2009 16:44 SearingShadow wrote:Could someone please upload the VODs to FileFront. You don't have to upload each video by it self. Just go to the above link and click "Browse". Find the zip folder with the videos in it then click "Upload file". To download from torrent would take me 10 hours and to download off FileFront would take be 15 minutes. I'll do it when my torrent finishes as long as someone doesn't beat me to it. I started it just as it was available and I'm only at 31.6% finished, so we'll see =)
Thanks a lot. I always get slow torrent speeds.
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I'm converting to .rar now so I can get it up to FileFront.com
I will continue to seed this through tomorrow unless lag becomes and issue while I ladder.
EDIT: Uploading with Compression Ratio of 93% on final .rar. Not much of a loss in quality.
EDIT2: 6 minutes remaining until it's available from filefront.com
EDIT3: 3 minutes
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Loved the commentary by Chill and Artosis, great insights from both, well done.
As for the games.. most notably lag seems to have heavily effected the play. F91 also seemed to have superior gamesense - his early scout really seems to pay off because he can really react to what he sees well. Beyond that, I just havn't seen him be pressured by a terran with hardcore timing builds that can really test F91 more.
The only thing I can think of are the china vs korea replays in which F91 played, at least in the previous three I'm not sure about the recent fourth match.
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On March 09 2009 17:57 Delirium wrote:
I'm converting to .rar now so I can get it up to FileFront.com
I will continue to seed this through tomorrow unless lag becomes and issue while I ladder.
EDIT: Uploading with Compression Ratio of 93% on final .rar. Not much of a loss in quality.
EDIT2: 6 minutes remaining until it's available from filefront.com
EDIT3: 3 minutes
EDIT4: 1:30 left.
I will create a new post for the download link from FileFront
EDIT: Quote =/= Edit. Delirium is so fail T_T
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Okay. Download is now available from FileFront at:
http://files.filefront.com/Liquibition 28 F91 vs Skrar/;13435871;/fileinfo.html
I will continue to seed and;
if there are any issues with the download SEND A PM, as I will likely not check this thread very frequently anymore.
EDIT: Supposedly the quality is only up to 93% of the original folder from the torrent according to Winrar manager. If there's issues let me know.
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game 1: [url blocked]
strelok vs f91
sry, i hadn't seen ur post
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On March 09 2009 18:13 Delirium wrote:Okay. Download is now available from FileFront at: http://files.filefront.com/Liquibition 28 F91 vs Skrar/;13435871;/fileinfo.htmlI will continue to seed and; if there are any issues with the download SEND A PM, as I will likely not check this thread very frequently anymore. EDIT: Supposedly the quality is only up to 93% of the original folder from the torrent according to Winrar manager. If there's issues let me know.
Thank you so much. A lot of people have slow download speeds from torrent so this is a big help.
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On March 09 2009 18:59 SearingShadow wrote:Thank you so much. A lot of people have slow download speeds from torrent so this is a big help.
No problem. I PM'd Plexa seeing if he wanted to put this link up in the OP.
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On March 09 2009 19:10 Delirium wrote:Show nested quote +On March 09 2009 18:59 SearingShadow wrote:On March 09 2009 18:13 Delirium wrote:Okay. Download is now available from FileFront at: http://files.filefront.com/Liquibition 28 F91 vs Skrar/;13435871;/fileinfo.htmlI will continue to seed and; if there are any issues with the download SEND A PM, as I will likely not check this thread very frequently anymore. EDIT: Supposedly the quality is only up to 93% of the original folder from the torrent according to Winrar manager. If there's issues let me know. Thank you so much. A lot of people have slow download speeds from torrent so this is a big help. No problem. I PM'd Plexa seeing if he wanted to put this link up in the OP.
You did? I didn't get any PM?
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I think NonY will rape F91... if you look at the game at courage he played vs that SICK zerg... That was impressive. If NonY plays something like that, I guess F91 wont be so hard
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On March 09 2009 16:25 fearus wrote:Show nested quote +On March 09 2009 11:03 7mk wrote:
mog87 is obviously right...
also how do you know what level nony is at, whats the last time you saw a match of him? surely a long time ago... So... you are suggesting that by moving out of korea and not playing as much he has actually improved?
i think he's suggesting that nobody really knows how much better nony got in korea
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Watching VODs now.....guys, you are awesome. I almost pissed my pants watching the intro!
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Just watched VODs. Very enjoyable games. Artosis + Chill combo is funfunfun. Looking forward to seeing Nony. Keep it up guys!
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On March 09 2009 13:52 Phoned wrote:Show nested quote +On March 09 2009 13:13 AttackZerg wrote:On March 08 2009 10:53 CTStalker wrote:On March 08 2009 07:49 AttackZerg wrote:On March 08 2009 05:03 Chill wrote:On March 08 2009 04:54 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:
People should stop emphasizing the whole "Korea" thing. You have to realize that F91 and other top foreign pros aren't just people who play this casually, there's a reason they're called "pros:" they also spend 8+ hours a day practicing, and Lx and Pj used to be on Korean B-teams also, and they're on the same level as F91. Idra had the fabled "Korean training" but still couldn't hold a candle to F91, and he's an ACTIVE Korean B-teamer, as opposed to Nony who recently (retired?)
Just because someone's in Korea doesn't mean they're better or have more experience. No one can deny that as a nation, Korea is vastly superior to anyone else at Starcraft. But that doesn't mean that if someone went to Korea, they'd magically inherit the abilities of S-class gamers... Um, no ones chalking improvement to the magical aura of being in Korea. They're chalking it up to following strict training regiments on a professional StarCraft team. That's much different than being an amatuer. It has yet to be proven that the korean approach to starcraft actually works with non-koreans. There are amatuers that are better then any of the players who have been or are in korea also. I agree with you sheep. People need to quit overrating the korean experience. Now nony is a different story then idra anyway, he went to korea as one of the best outside of korea anyway. I'm sure we will see more map dependent results then we have seen so far in nony vs f91. Good Luck Nony! what? did you just mash the keys randomly when you published this masterpiece of nonsense, or what? don't use labels like 'the korean approach' or 'the korean experience' to hide your meaning, even though i don't think you know what you're obfuscating; there is no magical approach, it's just rigorous practice, and to think that one particular culture will benefit from rigorous practice when another wouldn't is pretty stupid. rigorous practice is how every professional suceeds and excels at every sport. even more stupid is somehow using the debatable success of foreign progamers in korea as being evidence towards rigorous practice not working for foreigners. just rofl man Wow its really funny you spent a while writing that pathetic extent of an arugment but I forgive you, but I never didn't think you were a fucking moron. YES ACTUALLY I DO BELIEVE THE KOREAN APPROACH TO STARCRAFT IS NEGATIVE FOR ALOT OF NONE KOREANS RERKUL AND OTHERS HAVE SAID THIS THEMSELVES, ALONG WITH NONY ASKING FOR LESS PRACTICING HOURS. REKRUL SUMS IT UP AS A CRAZY INSANE INGRAINED/CULTURAL WORK EITHER. Practicing alot or too much cannot make everybody good enough to compete or it can drain somebodys will to compete. Why do you think we've lost so many of our best players over the years? Maybe they played 1 game to long and burnt out? Rofl at being a retard. Practicing like koreans has yet to show any positive effects for any non-koreans. "but I never didn't think you were a fucking moron." ROFL! What is this jibberish? Half of this is completely unreadable. If practicing like a Korean isn't the way to get to the top, what is? Good Kim-Chi? The vast majority of non-koreans have no set practice routine or schedule. I refuse to believe that there aren't any naturally talented and capable human beings outside of Korea. If it isn't good practice habits that makes you improve, what do you suggest? Most foreigners hate the reality that they have to practice hard to improve. Many don't have the time or patience for it. It's hard work. That's why you have people like AttackZerg QQ'ing everytime "practice" aka "work" is brought up. Someone call the wahmbulance...
I think the main thing people are missing is that Korean practice style is different than the foreign approach. Yes it is long, rigorous hours which a lot of people can't handle. But it's also that the Korean approach is not the way that foreigners go, and when the foreigners do get over there, it's like trying to re-teach someone to ride a bike differently. For many athletes, adjusting from one coaching style to another in any sport is a tough adjustment. I went through it myself, and I couldn't take it from high school to college.
As for the whole "foreigners hate the reality that they have to practice hard to improve bit", I wouldn't go mocking them until you've experienced it yourself dude. It is a completely different way of living, and if you aren't used to it, it can be a tough challenge. There is a lot of sacrifice involved that can take a toll on someone.
I think the only way a foreigner can truly succeed (I'm talking about winning hardcore matches, not just winning Courage or making B-team) in the Korean system at this point is if they start out there. Otherwise by the time they are recognized for being skilled, they are set in their own form of training, whatever it is, and they're beyond the point of adaptation.
If you want to know where the whole "Korean training is different" sentiment is coming from, see this thread.
It was a rather interesting set of games between Strelok and F91.
Looking forward to NonY-F91.
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On March 09 2009 20:08 Plexa wrote:Show nested quote +On March 09 2009 19:10 Delirium wrote:On March 09 2009 18:59 SearingShadow wrote:On March 09 2009 18:13 Delirium wrote:Okay. Download is now available from FileFront at: http://files.filefront.com/Liquibition 28 F91 vs Skrar/;13435871;/fileinfo.htmlI will continue to seed and; if there are any issues with the download SEND A PM, as I will likely not check this thread very frequently anymore. EDIT: Supposedly the quality is only up to 93% of the original folder from the torrent according to Winrar manager. If there's issues let me know. Thank you so much. A lot of people have slow download speeds from torrent so this is a big help. No problem. I PM'd Plexa seeing if he wanted to put this link up in the OP. You did? I didn't get any PM?
Hmn, thought I did. People will find it in the OP anyway. =)
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On March 09 2009 18:13 Delirium wrote:Okay. Download is now available from FileFront at: http://files.filefront.com/Liquibition 28 F91 vs Skrar/;13435871;/fileinfo.htmlI will continue to seed and; if there are any issues with the download SEND A PM, as I will likely not check this thread very frequently anymore. EDIT: Supposedly the quality is only up to 93% of the original folder from the torrent according to Winrar manager. If there's issues let me know.
Thanks a lot, I don't like torrenting because my upload is really bad and I can't keep it on for a long time.
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wtf strelok
fucked up games all over the place
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The thing with the training styles is (that's just how i think it is):
We don't know and we never will know (at least until SC2 where the cards are mixed again) if the Korean approach is the right one. Nowhere else in the world you find as many "potentials" as in Korea (in other words: players, not even very good ones, just players).
If I remember correctly *my* community (Switzerland) consisted at his height of about ~100-150 players (that's 0.0019% of Switzerland's population), probably ~30-50 were *regulars that you saw every few days* about 10-20 people were the *core* (playing daily which would be 0.0002%)... .
If you got a giant amount of potential and therefore can really *take* the guys that *fit* with your training schedule and show promise in their initial game play it's not exactly hard to get better results than the "just in my free time" top foreigners which come from a pretty small community.
I mean it's like:
"The best of a few with part time training" VS "the very best of a lot with full time training"...
Actually the top foreigners sometimes beating/getting games from progamers show me that the Korean approach probably is flawed, at least to some extent. I mean, when was the last time you heard of a top #100 Golf/Swimming/Track/Tennis/Boxing/"Whatever 1on1 sport" player losing to a *talented and pretty devoted* amateur? In these sports people to even stand a chance need to train like a pro first and still they won't see even the slightest of a chance against the best until they are pro. Sometimes there are Talents that get high in the rankings faster, but there are no "part time" guys that beat professionals.
I highly doubt that playing a game 12 hours a day is doing you much better than playing 4-5 hours a day, at least after you reached a certain level of skill (well, it will help your muscle memory but you don't see musicians training 10h+ a day, probably because training this long is just stupid/futile...).
If I look at the foreigners that were/are in Korea there is nothing that could proof me wrong on this (until now).
Btw: The Korean training schedules really screams "ASIAN" (Korean/Japanese/Chinese sort of Asian... Don't hang me on that, pls) at me... I don't know any other place on earth were people even would consider such a trianing schedule as *good*.
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On March 10 2009 01:29 Velr wrote:
The thing with the training styles is (that's just how i think it is):
We don't know and we never will know (at least until SC2 where the cards are mixed again) if the Korean approach is the right one. Nowhere else in the world you find as many "potentials" as in Korea (in other words: players, not even very good ones, just players).
If I remember correctly *my* community (Switzerland) consisted at his height of about ~100-150 players (that's 0.0019% of Switzerland's population), probably ~30-50 were *regulars that you saw every few days* about 10-20 people were the *core* (playing daily which would be 0.0002%)... .
If you got a giant amount of potential and therefore can really *take* the guys that *fit* with your training schedule and show promise in their initial game play it's not exactly hard to get better results than the "just in my free time" top foreigners which come from a pretty small community.
I mean it's like:
"The best of a few with part time training" VS "the very best of a lot with full time training"...
Actually the top foreigners sometimes beating/getting games from progamers show me that the Korean approach probably is flawed, at least to some extent. I mean, when was the last time you heard of a top #100 Golf/Swimming/Track/Tennis/Boxing/"Whatever 1on1 sport" player losing to a *talented and pretty devoted* amateur? In these sports people to even stand a chance need to train like a pro first and still they won't see even the slightest of a chance against the best until they are pro. Sometimes there are Talents that get high in the rankings faster, but there are no "part time" guys that beat professionals.
I highly doubt that playing a game 12 hours a day is doing you much better than playing 4-5 hours a day, at least after you reached a certain level of skill (well, it will help your muscle memory but you don't see musicians training 10h+ a day, probably because training this long is just stupid/futile...).
If I look at the foreigners that were/are in Korea there is nothing that could proof me wrong on this (until now).
Btw: The Korean training schedules really screams "ASIAN" (Korean/Japanese/Chinese sort of Asian... Don't hang me on that, pls) at me... I don't know any other place on earth were people even would consider such a trianing schedule as *good*.
Why would the Korean method be flawed? Is the scientific method flawed? Koreans sit there and practice things like science. They drill and rehearse basic game plans over and over and then modify based on situations. That's what any person does when training for something. The Koreans just do it on a systemic level, while foreigners mostly have to get together w/ friends or clanmates and don't have 8 hr blocks to dedicate themselves to training the same exact build with another really skilled player over and over.
And I disagree with comparing physical sports to mental ones. They're not the same. Physical conditioning requires ridiculous amounts of time and energy that someone who's not pro can't dedicate to that. It's a limitation of the physical form. Try relating it to chess. Has a pro chess player ever lost to an amateur?
Sorry, but your analysis doesn't cut it for me. Your evidence consists of 3-4 people who tried to go to Korea and maybe 5-6 games that pros have lost to foreigners. Out of how many thousands of people who try and how many tens of thousands games played? And it's not at all like "Best amateurs vs Best pros" = Amateurs win sometimes.
Yeah, let's make a team of Stork, Flash, Bisu, Jaedong vs Nony, F91, Draco, Mondragon and see who wins. Anyone want to bet against the Koreans? If they played 100 matches, how many would the amateurs take in an KOF format?
p.s. Some of these Korean "pros" were wearing diapers when the top foreigners were playing SC.
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When the .torrent was uploaded, I seeded almost 4 GB. Hopefully UCLA doesn't cut my internet access for ridiculous bandwidth usage .
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On March 10 2009 01:29 Velr wrote:We don't know and we never will know (at least until SC2 where the cards are mixed again) if the Korean approach is the right one. Nowhere else in the world you find as many "potentials" as in Korea (in other words: players, not even very good ones, just players).
This is kind of pointless to point out. It would be akin to questioning the training methods of American Football players, or Indian Cricket players. When a sport is very regional, the best players all go through similar training. Sure there's going to be deficiencies because of cultural bias or traditions, but it's not as if anyone can point those out until the sport becomes global.
I mean it's like:
"The best of a few with part time training" VS "the very best of a lot with full time training"...
Actually the top foreigners sometimes beating/getting games from progamers show me that the Korean approach probably is flawed, at least to some extent. I mean, when was the last time you heard of a top #100 Golf/Swimming/Track/Tennis/Boxing/"Whatever 1on1 sport" player losing to a *talented and pretty devoted* amateur? In these sports people to even stand a chance need to train like a pro first and still they won't see even the slightest of a chance against the best until they are pro. Sometimes there are Talents that get high in the rankings faster, but there are no "part time" guys that beat professionals.
If you're making this statement, I'm guessing you've never even thought about the meta game of Starcraft. This is such flawed logic if you only think about some of the basic premises of the game and of other sports.
I highly doubt that playing a game 12 hours a day is doing you much better than playing 4-5 hours a day, at least after you reached a certain level of skill (well, it will help your muscle memory but you don't see musicians training 10h+ a day, probably because training this long is just stupid/futile...).
If I look at the foreigners that were/are in Korea there is nothing that could proof me wrong on this (until now).
This has been proven wrong again and again in both actual games and in progamer interviews. And why even the best players lose so often to snipers. Granted, 12 hours may be overkill due to physical limits of a body, but more practice does work.
Btw: The Korean training schedules really screams "ASIAN" (Korean/Japanese/Chinese sort of Asian... Don't hang me on that, pls) at me... I don't know any other place on earth were people even would consider such a trianing schedule as *good*.
Well, there is... US. Although I do agree that among developed countries, Europeans tend to be more relaxed.
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On March 09 2009 06:21 FlamyDeath wrote:Show nested quote +On March 09 2009 06:17 Zoler wrote:On March 09 2009 05:25 FlamyDeath wrote:On March 09 2009 03:02 Zoler wrote:
Plexas voice is waay cooler ^^
So is Artosis, sorry Chill! I'll have to disagree. Chill is superior to Plexa in every aspect of commentating. Not that Plexa isn't good, but Chill is just better imo =) Err what? What does that has to do with anything? which part of "every aspect" don't you understand?
Yet again when did I say that? I said in my post that I like Plexas voice not his commentating skills. See it now..?
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Wow i just saw the vods, I really like Artosis' commentary.
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probably cause more people play SC in korea, and when there's a higher number of players there is gonna be more people that are freakin good due to the competition, another plus if they see it as a career too. I don't know if it's a good analogy but It's like the NBA where you're starting to see a lot more international players because of the influence it has had in their own countries, and yes even though it is still dominated by african american players I still think my first point still sticks.
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On March 09 2009 16:25 fearus wrote:Show nested quote +On March 09 2009 11:03 7mk wrote:
mog87 is obviously right...
also how do you know what level nony is at, whats the last time you saw a match of him? surely a long time ago... So... you are suggesting that by moving out of korea and not playing as much he has actually improved?
what are you talking about Im not talking about his skill since he moved out of korea, but since he first left the US
And come on I mean your sentence
"I'll put Nony on the same level as JF, Idra and Stelok.
To say its about even would suggest Nony would beat all 3 of them by a comfortable margin."
is just stupid.. if Nony beat JF that might mean his PvP is better than JF's.... does that mean his PvZ is better also???? obviously not
(btw in those liquibition games after destination JF clearly played way worse than he usually does, so in another best of 5 between him and f91 it might look differently)
I actually voted in the poll "F91 will destroy Nony easily" cause that was my guess (and cause I'm naturally zerg biased ^^) but people should stop pretending like they know whats up...
Also afterwards I thought getting 2nd in courage isnt bad at all
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Just watched the vods, not the best games, but enjoyable. F91 is such a beast, idk if Nony can't beat him it will have to be Dreiven since Cloud has been pretty inactive lately I think. Also, the commentary was very enjoyable. Not that any of them are bad, but the Chill and Artosis are superior to Plexa and Rage in nearly every way possible as far as commentating is concerned. Their combined commentary and strategic insight made the games far more entertaining.
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I just wanna get my 2 cents in before this thread gets old and I feel like a dick for posting in it lol. We may be witnessing one of the most pointless arguments in the history of pro/semi-pro Starcraft. We all have opinions of the training regiments the players go through, as several people including Velr, baubo, and 7mk have proven, yet there's no way to prove anything. I invite someone to create a formula to show whether the 10hr/day training is as beneficial as it seems. The only thing we know is this: there are far superior players in Korea right now, and in a best of 100 or even 1000, they would absolutely obliterate(lol@ archon) any foreigners in a good majority of the games. We may have our favorites, we may root for others, for example I'd want F91 to take Stork or Leta in a match, but I simply doubt it would happen, and I most definitely wouldn't put money on him.
Let's just wait for SC2, and maybe we'll have new players eating everyone else alive. Who knows, the new guy could be German, American, Canadian, or anything. An SC2 female bonjwa from Zimbabwe is a possibility if she does it right(Granted, it's not likely), but it's all a waiting game. Let's stop bickering back and forth before it turns into a flame war, sit back, and enjoy the incoming playoffs of the WL.
*Edit* Oh, and the commentary was great for the set by the way. I'd love to see you guys pairing up again.
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yeha the commentary was great.
and i just want to reiterate that attackzerg is a moron
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On March 11 2009 04:11 MutaDoom wrote:
I just wanna get my 2 cents in before this thread gets old and I feel like a dick for posting in it lol. We may be witnessing one of the most pointless arguments in the history of pro/semi-pro Starcraft. We all have opinions of the training regiments the players go through, as several people including Velr, baubo, and 7mk have proven, yet there's no way to prove anything. I invite someone to create a formula to show whether the 10hr/day training is as beneficial as it seems. The only thing we know is this: there are far superior players in Korea right now, and in a best of 100 or even 1000, they would absolutely obliterate(lol@ archon) any foreigners in a good majority of the games. We may have our favorites, we may root for others, for example I'd want F91 to take Stork or Leta in a match, but I simply doubt it would happen, and I most definitely wouldn't put money on him.
Let's just wait for SC2, and maybe we'll have new players eating everyone else alive. Who knows, the new guy could be German, American, Canadian, or anything. An SC2 female bonjwa from Zimbabwe is a possibility if she does it right(Granted, it's not likely), but it's all a waiting game. Let's stop bickering back and forth before it turns into a flame war, sit back, and enjoy the incoming playoffs of the WL.
*Edit* Oh, and the commentary was great for the set by the way. I'd love to see you guys pairing up again.
dude why the hell are you mentioning me, your points dont even have to do anything with what I said... All I said was "who the fuck knows how nonys playing now" I didnt say anything about what I think about Korea's training regiments
On March 11 2009 03:52 Nick_54 wrote:
Just watched the vods, not the best games, but enjoyable. F91 is such a beast, idk if Nony can't beat him it will have to be Dreiven since Cloud has been pretty inactive lately I think. Also, the commentary was very enjoyable. Not that any of them are bad, but the Chill and Artosis are superior to Plexa and Rage in nearly every way possible as far as commentating is concerned. Their combined commentary and strategic insight made the games far more entertaining.
Yeah I also wanted to mention how great their commentary was, made not so great games (was there even a single dark swarm in any of these 7 games?) pretty interesting. And I mean it was perfect for the matchup, having a Zerg and a Terran player as commentators for a ZvT...hmmm I guess youll have to get Chill and Tasteless for F91 vs Nony now
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On March 10 2009 01:29 Velr wrote:
I mean, when was the last time you heard of a top #100 Golf/Swimming/Track/Tennis/Boxing/"Whatever 1on1 sport" player losing to a *talented and pretty devoted* amateur? In these sports people to even stand a chance need to train like a pro first and still they won't see even the slightest of a chance against the best until they are pro. Sometimes there are Talents that get high in the rankings faster, but there are no "part time" guys that beat professionals.
You are comparing apples to oranges.
I could teach my 10 year old cousin to 4 pool, and given enough practice, he could theoretically take a game off of a top foreigner given the element of surprise.
If you put a 10 year old kid vs Michael Jordan in a game of 21, I would bet my house that he wouldn't win 1 out of 100 games.
StarCraft =/= Physical Sports
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pretty dissapointing series to be honest, a lot of sloppy play from both sides, be it a major mismicro or letting a scouted dropship of marines wipe out the entire main
I really liked Artosis' anylysis though, learned a copuple of new things
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just watched the VODs
F91 is either extremely lucky or simply THAT good...................
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On March 14 2009 09:11 TheAZNChineseTiger wrote:
just watched the VODs
F91 is either extremely lucky or simply THAT good................... Or Strelok's TvZ wasn't very good.
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When is the next Liquibition?
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