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KwarK
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States43343 Posts
May 19 2008 15:38 GMT
#21
Very well written and BackHo is <3
One thing I will beg of you is to spell paid correctly. That mistake, repeatedly made by people who really should know better, makes me cry.
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ffs
Profile Joined October 2007
18 Posts
May 19 2008 15:42 GMT
#22
predictions vs. results. always fun to compare.
Plexa
Profile Blog Joined October 2005
Aotearoa39261 Posts
May 19 2008 15:42 GMT
#23
Your 100% right kwark thank god there was only one instance of it in my post...
Administrator~ Spirit will set you free ~
EGoldman
Profile Joined May 2008
United States110 Posts
May 19 2008 15:50 GMT
#24
Thanks for the writeup, it's always fun to see other people's views on the outcome. I was wondering, as a rabid Stork fanboy, did anyone else think he just totally threw that game on purpose?? I agree with Plexa's analysis on where the game turned, but I've seen MUCH sharper play out of Stork. It felt like he wasn't putting his full effort into the game. And the fact that the match was one that he chose for himself by picking Jangbi into his group, it just seemed really suspicious to me. Added on to the fact Stork was literally grinning from ear to ear after his loss, goes back to the break room, and is pointing at monitors, smiling and laughing w/ January seems quite odd considering the context of the game. His long, tragic history of #2... I'd think he was a lot more fired up about the OSL.
LordWeird
Profile Blog Joined November 2007
United States3411 Posts
May 19 2008 16:31 GMT
#25
Stork makes me want to die. WTF is wrong with him.

On that note, Jangbi ftw :>
Chains none
JWD
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States12607 Posts
May 19 2008 18:21 GMT
#26
Insane, in prison, or BOTH
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uppTagg
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
Sweden473 Posts
May 19 2008 18:25 GMT
#27
Jangbi looks like so fat in that picture oO
men du... Tagga!
MoNKeYSpanKeR
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
United States2869 Posts
May 19 2008 18:33 GMT
#28
Julyzerg is sex, he will golden mouse it and win life.

wait for it.
<3's Mani and Seraphim, thx for the second chance. TSL Name: TSL-mSLeGenD
MoNKeYSpanKeR
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
United States2869 Posts
May 19 2008 18:34 GMT
#29
BeSt is Legion.
<3's Mani and Seraphim, thx for the second chance. TSL Name: TSL-mSLeGenD
Descent
Profile Joined January 2008
1244 Posts
May 19 2008 18:44 GMT
#30
On May 19 2008 17:47 Plexa wrote:
Best-Kal-Jangbi might be the third generation of Protoss kings.

x3
I hope KTF's Lucifer makes the 3rd generation a group of four...Ehehe, those matches on Friday were painful for liquibetters. But still, nice write up~
「 Dream & Future 」 ※ 「 STX SouL 」
diehilde1
Profile Joined September 2006
Germany522 Posts
May 19 2008 19:08 GMT
#31
wtf ur disrespecting ggplay to much! "not in the same league as sea" ??? WTF? Did u watch Daum OSL ? I am sorry but if anything, sea is not in the same league as GGPlay. Those ZvTs he showed were FAR FAR better than any tvz series sea has ever shown in an individual league. In individual leagues GGPlay has shown his potential and his capability, something I unfortunately cannot say about Sea.
Last Romantic
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
United States20661 Posts
May 19 2008 19:13 GMT
#32
Third generation?

First generation I will assume to be Reach/Nal_rA/Kingdom

Second generation Anytime/Pusan/Stork

Third generation Free/Much/Bisu

I think...
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8882
Profile Blog Joined December 2003
2718 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-05-19 19:55:12
May 19 2008 19:54 GMT
#33
I havent found anything amazing in the Bisu's game. He just pressured early and Mind lost a lot of mining time (btw why didnt he wall, if he cant defend from such a typical attack? ok, the positions were cross and I havent noticed if he scouted the attack or not, but he definitely didnt look like a progamer, when he lost the tank). Then Bisu did a nice, but not important DT drop (like 3 scv kills +depot). Ok, for some weird reason Mind couldnt even kill the DT with mines... but I dont think such a DT drop would work vs Iloveoov for example.
And then Mind struggled to secure the center! He was flying around with an empty shuttle/shuttle with DTs instead of utilizing it to its full potential with zealots. Had Mind pushed smarter )(with more mines and more spread tanks), he would beat Bisu really badly and secured the center. Mind definitely had impressive macro and nice multitasking, but his micro wasnt impressive at all - with lots of zealots dying on mines. At some point it was clear that he had the game won, but it looked as if he could actually lose the center..
For me Bisu is much overhyped
I have returned
Kuja900
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States3564 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-05-19 20:19:17
May 19 2008 20:16 GMT
#34
Ok how is voting against july the safe bet? He is a veteran with experience as champion, he is 3-0 in osl, he beat one of the strongest if not the strongest zvzs in the world just a few days ago and he has the support of his team, rumble is just some unknown who got lucky on a buildorder and he really has no place in this group even with his new skt practice.
OMG you nasty gurl
Kuja900
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States3564 Posts
May 19 2008 20:18 GMT
#35
On May 20 2008 04:13 Last Romantic wrote:
Third generation?

First generation I will assume to be Reach/Nal_rA/Kingdom

Second generation Anytime/Pusan/Stork

Third generation Free/Much/Bisu

I think...


just outa curiousity where does garimto fall into that
OMG you nasty gurl
DamageControL
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
United States4222 Posts
May 19 2008 20:24 GMT
#36
On May 20 2008 04:54 8882 wrote:
I havent found anything amazing in the Bisu's game. He just pressured early and Mind lost a lot of mining time (btw why didnt he wall, if he cant defend from such a typical attack? ok, the positions were cross and I havent noticed if he scouted the attack or not, but he definitely didnt look like a progamer, when he lost the tank). Then Bisu did a nice, but not important DT drop (like 3 scv kills +depot). Ok, for some weird reason Mind couldnt even kill the DT with mines... but I dont think such a DT drop would work vs Iloveoov for example.
And then Mind struggled to secure the center! He was flying around with an empty shuttle/shuttle with DTs instead of utilizing it to its full potential with zealots. Had Mind pushed smarter )(with more mines and more spread tanks), he would beat Bisu really badly and secured the center. Mind definitely had impressive macro and nice multitasking, but his micro wasnt impressive at all - with lots of zealots dying on mines. At some point it was clear that he had the game won, but it looked as if he could actually lose the center..
For me Bisu is much overhyped

I agree that mind lost a lot of timing on a relatively simple attack, but not killing dts with mines was not really through his own fault. Simply, his mechanics could not deal with mining the dts, and at the same time putting up his macro. He deemed one supply depot insignificant. (For the record, i doubt iloveoov would have dealt with it much better)
I think bisu player well in the midgame, especially by countering, to make mind move around, and utilizing toss mobility.
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G5
Profile Blog Joined August 2005
United States2919 Posts
May 19 2008 20:34 GMT
#37
On May 19 2008 17:47 Plexa wrote:
Of course at this stage in the tournament, excitement is relatively low - and for good reason. The Razer TSL is entering the Semifinals this week and the lineup is amazing. You would have to be insane or in prison to miss these games so clear some space in your schedule this weekend! Anyway, because the TSL is so interesting right now, I'll forgive you for missing some for the games this upcoming week


...what the fuck???????
Descent
Profile Joined January 2008
1244 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-05-19 20:44:02
May 19 2008 20:42 GMT
#38
Are (P)free, (P)Much, and (P)Bisu really considered the Protoss kings of the third generation? I've read a few posts that consistently detail (P)Stork, (P)Anytime, and (P)Pusan as the generation following (P)rA, (P)Reach, and (P)Kingdom, but never anything about a third generation... xO?

>.> ...Lots of Protoss icons. x3
「 Dream & Future 」 ※ 「 STX SouL 」
thunk
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
United States6233 Posts
May 19 2008 21:33 GMT
#39
On May 19 2008 22:55 Polyphasic wrote:
fuck you best.

but the whole speed shuttle vs terran on that map happens all the time, and seems like toss always ends up ahead because speed shuttles are just so maneuverable, and the island is essentially an island map when you can kill assimilators like that.

MM vs speed shuttle reaver = . fuck that. even wraiths can't catch up to speed shuttles.



Don't hate on Best. A lesser toss would have been scared to seal himself in like that.
Every time Jung Myung Hoon builds a vulture, two probes die. || My post count was a palindrome and I was never posting again.
zer0das
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
United States8519 Posts
May 19 2008 21:36 GMT
#40
I stated earlier in the season in response to the final edit that this was STX's year that I didn't think they were quite ready for a breakout. The addition of July certainly changes things a bit... Calm has gotten a lot better a lot faster than I thought he would, and July's presence can only help. It also gives Kal and Hwasin another good practice partner on the team. And if July is comfortable enough, he might actually be (gasp) consistent, and July is pretty freaking scary in top form.

I'm still slightly concerned about their depth... they don't have a solid 2v2 beyond the aforementioned players... then again, no one in contention really seems to (except Khan), and it's not like their 2v2s have been abysmal. I'd be more worried about their depth, but with Bisu being traded to SKT1 no one really stands out as being absolutely stacked like MBC/CJ were last season. Even with the addition of GGPlay, I feel like CJ is substantially weaker than they were as they can't rely on Savior, Much is in a funk, and Iris hasn't been playing that well either.

The additional playoff slots also helps STX a lot. They don't have to worry so much about qualifying, they're practically a shoe in to get at least 6th place. After that anything can happen...

But I still think they're going to fall short somewhere along the line. Still, it'd be awesome if July helped lead STX to a title... :D
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