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WCS EU: Premier Ro32 - Group A Preview (S2)

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June 25th, 2013 03:25 GMT

2013 WCS Europe

WCS Europe Season 2 - Premier League



Ro32: Group A Preview
Mvp, elfi, Tefel, Beastyqt

Brackets and standings on Liquipedia

WCS Europe Season 2

Countdown:

After a very well-received first season, the second instalment of WCS Europe is now set to begin. While the first season was invite-heavy, the tournament composition has undergone quite a few changes, with new Koreans and previously snubbed Europeans flowing in, while some the old world's most established players have been relegated to the Challenger League. Three of these newcomers will get a chance to make a name for themselves on day one, as they go up against the defending champion, (T)LG-IM_Mvp.

But first, enjoy this nice promo video from ESL.



Group A Preview: Mvp, elfi, Tefel, Beastyqt

by Waxangel

The Plight of King Jürgen

(T)LG-IM_Mvp, the four-time GSL champion, the King of Wings, and reigning champion of Europe will be on hand to personally welcome in the second season of WCS Europe. However, it might not be a joyous occasion for our beloved monarch.

Despite having experienced the perils of trying to play cross server from Korea to Europe last season, where he was defeated 2 – 0 by DIMAGA and was just one game away from being dumped out of the tournament by Germany's Socke, Mvp has decided not expend the royal coffers for a trip to Europe. Instead, he will once again take on the debilitating lag that many players have called unplayable. A sure favorite to take the group in a live setting – if not the entire tournament – Mvp is now at risk of being the victim of a huge upset on opening day.

The one thing Mvp has going his way is that he's never been especially reliant on micro or multi-tasking – not that he doesn't enjoy dropping the hell out of opponents when he knows it will be effective. Even when his wrists were whole and uninjured, Mvp's strengths lay in strategy, mind games, and just having all of those intangibles we can't describe because we're not four-time GSL champs. After last season's close call, you have to think he'll bring a style of play that lets him roll to victory while minimizing the influence of lag. He's already shown he can come up with new tricks like the marine-tank builds he used against SaSe in the previous season, and catching his opponents off guard with an unusual playstyle could be his best weapon.

The Three Usurpers

Looking to hamper Mvp's progress are three players who fought their way up into the Premier League from the Challenger division.

First, there's the ever enigmatic (P)Ence.elfi, who will be Mvp's initial opponent. While elfi is famous for his incredibly low APM and affinity for cats, he is perhaps most well-known for his ability to cause big upsets and vex far more famous players. Even the most optimistic caster couldn't bring himself to say "great force-fields!" when he ended Stephano's 30+ game ZvP win-streak in 2012, but he found a way to leave even Stephano shrugging his shoulders at the end. Everyone said elfi was dead when he faced Life in TSL4, but he came within a map of knocking out the future GSL champion. Most recently, Elfi taught TaeJa a lesson in humility at DreamHack Summer, coming back to take a 2 - 1 victory after TaeJa's manner mules proved to be premature. Even though he doesn't have any GSL champion's pins, Elfi is the player most like Mvp in this group simply because he has that "he keeps winning games and I don't really know why" quality. Predicting both against and for elfi is very dangerous – it's best to just treat him as a force of chaos.

Then there's (T)Empire|Beastyqt, a player who almost made it into the Premier League in season one but fell just barely short in the qualifiers. Beastyqt gathered himself and made an impressive run through the Challenger League, falling to Shuttle in the bracket stage but defeating SaSe and groupmate Elfi to advance to the Premier League. Then, going up against an all-Protoss group (monchi completing the trio), Beastyqt brought out four unorthodox builds in a row, tearing through his opponents with a combination of tank pushes, factory-float fakes, and early hellions strikes. While that may just have been an indication of how he felt about the TvP match-up in general, it did show that he can come in with strategies that leave his opponents completely flat-footed. He faces a tougher task here, having to face opponents of every race, but perhaps he will have even more surprises in store?

And finally, we come to (Z)d.Tefel. Back when he surprised everyone in 2012 by qualifying for MLG Summer Arena and finishing in the upper half of the 32 participants, I wondered if we'd ever hear from him again. After nearly a year without any particularly noticeable tournament results (minus a so-so outing at IEM Singapore), Tefel is finally back at center stage, having blazed a trail through the Challenger League and into the top flight.

While NaNiwa might call Tefel the worst player in the world, the evidence does suggest otherwise. Not only did he beat TitaN, KrasS, and NaNiwa to advance from the Challenger League, but he's coming in off a really impressive DH: Summer performance where he reached the Ro16, going undefeated against non-Korean players. He had the misfortune of drawing Life in the Ro16, but hey, we can't all be Sjow. Of the three challengers in this group, Tefel has had the best results lately, and just might be the one who thwarts Mvp.

Predictions

Mvp > elfi
Tefel > Beastyqt
Mvp > Tefel
elfi > Beastyqt
elfi > Tefel

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Graphics: shiroiusagi
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Editor: Waxangel.
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Entirety
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
1423 Posts
June 25 2013 03:31 GMT
#2
Mvp is a clear favorite to take this group and the tournament.

Lag or no lag, I believe he will dominate this group. Long live the King!
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FrostedMiniWheats
Profile Joined August 2010
United States30730 Posts
June 25 2013 03:33 GMT
#3
oh crap this is tomorrow too D;

OSL into MVP's house of rape...I can't watch both live.
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redviper
Profile Joined May 2010
Pakistan2333 Posts
June 25 2013 03:48 GMT
#4
Pleae dear God, don't take it too easy. I will not be watching the games live but I'll be cheering for Him on my cellphone!
Chemist391
Profile Joined October 2010
United States366 Posts
June 25 2013 03:54 GMT
#5
Elfi v Life was one of the most confusing series of all time.

Careful, MVP.
Jaded.
Profile Joined June 2013
United States125 Posts
June 25 2013 03:55 GMT
#6
MVP basically guaranteed 1st unless lag kills him.

fight for 2nd looks mildly interesting. I'd like to see a FPVOD of Elfi to see if his low APM actually hurts him or if he's just really efficient and accurate.
The absence of evidence is not the evidence of absence. What I'm saying is that there are known knowns and there are known unknowns but there's also unknown unknowns, things that we don't know that we don't know
josiah
Profile Joined October 2012
United States4 Posts
June 25 2013 03:56 GMT
#7
I think Elfi's best chance will be early game cheeses that require lots of micro to defend against. That would be a great way to take advantage of the lag.
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aRyuujin
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States5049 Posts
June 25 2013 03:58 GMT
#8
the king is here
leggo
can i get my estro logo back pls
lichter
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
1001 YEARS KESPAJAIL22272 Posts
June 25 2013 04:08 GMT
#9
ALREADY?

Oh Mvp, as tempted as I am, I will not watch these games live for you
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Bumalate
Profile Joined January 2012
United States33 Posts
June 25 2013 04:17 GMT
#10
MVP wins the moment he makes it out of the group stages :D
Dongraegu <3
imallinson
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
United Kingdom3482 Posts
June 25 2013 05:04 GMT
#11
Mvp always seems to struggle in group stages barely making it through and when it gets to the playoffs he suddenly starts crushing everyone, he's kind of the anti-TLO. I could see someone else taking first in this group.
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Laryleprakon
Profile Joined May 2011
New Zealand9496 Posts
June 25 2013 05:29 GMT
#12
I hope Mvp doesn't have to many issues with the lag, should be pretty easy for him if it's ok.
Shellshock
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States97276 Posts
June 25 2013 05:30 GMT
#13
Mvp and Tefel. The best of WoL and "the worst player in the world" have this easy
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zmsFlood
Profile Joined April 2013
Finland169 Posts
June 25 2013 05:44 GMT
#14
Elfi is such a confusing player that I believe not even Mvp will be able to be prepared for the series against him.. Elfi advances in first place, Mvp in second
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Rosettastoned
Profile Joined September 2010
United States107 Posts
June 25 2013 06:13 GMT
#15
Long live the king!
Mewka
Profile Joined February 2011
Poland1458 Posts
June 25 2013 06:36 GMT
#16
why is it a brood:war news ?
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fishjie
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States1519 Posts
June 25 2013 06:39 GMT
#17
MVP has always been incredibly weak in the group stages, I am rooting for him to go through though, what a hero he is.
Chr15t
Profile Joined March 2011
Denmark1103 Posts
June 25 2013 06:56 GMT
#18
May the lag be on your side mvp ... lol
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Profile Joined August 2010
Romania693 Posts
June 25 2013 07:18 GMT
#19
i love these articles, very well written~!
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zeo
Profile Joined October 2009
Serbia6282 Posts
June 25 2013 07:30 GMT
#20
On June 25 2013 15:36 Mewka wrote:
why is it a brood:war news ?

Yeah, I have the SC2 part of the site blocked and this came up for some reason... Anyway nice to see Beastyqt still fighting
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zBro
Profile Joined March 2011
Finland448 Posts
June 25 2013 07:51 GMT
#21
Elfi said in his finnish blog that he always loses to tefel on ladder like he did at the last dh.
Schelim
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Austria11528 Posts
June 25 2013 08:13 GMT
#22
the champ is here!!!!

gonna be easy win for Mvp!!!
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emanresU
Profile Joined November 2012
Germany393 Posts
June 25 2013 08:35 GMT
#23
On June 25 2013 12:33 FrostedMiniWheats wrote:
oh crap this is tomorrow too D;

OSL into MVP's house of rape...I can't watch both live.


ESL vods are free though
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TheBloodyDwarf
Profile Blog Joined March 2012
Finland7524 Posts
June 25 2013 08:44 GMT
#24
elfi vs Mvp 2-1
tefel vs Beasty 2-0
elfi vs tefel 0-2
elfi vs Beasty 2-1
Fusilero: "I still can't believe he did that, like dude what the fuck there's fandom and then there's what he did like holy shit. I still see it when I close my eyes." <- reaction to the original drunk santa post which later caught on
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Profile Joined June 2013
Denmark32 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-06-25 08:44:49
June 25 2013 08:44 GMT
#25
On June 25 2013 12:33 FrostedMiniWheats wrote:
oh crap this is tomorrow too D;

OSL into MVP's house of rape...I can't watch both live.


Good thing the ESL vods are free of charge as far as I remember, then !! <3
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Sumahi
Profile Blog Joined January 2012
Guam5609 Posts
June 25 2013 08:58 GMT
#26
Cheering for anyone who isn't MVP to advance!
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gobbledydook
Profile Joined October 2012
Australia2602 Posts
June 25 2013 08:58 GMT
#27
On June 25 2013 17:58 Sumahi wrote:
Cheering for anyone who isn't MVP to advance!


That's treason. You need to die.
I am a dirty Protoss bullshit abuser
Musicus
Profile Joined August 2011
Germany23576 Posts
June 25 2013 09:27 GMT
#28
On June 25 2013 17:58 Sumahi wrote:
Cheering for anyone who isn't MVP to advance!


I think I'd get away with reporting this right? :D
Maru and Serral are probably top 5.
Schelim
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Austria11528 Posts
June 25 2013 09:34 GMT
#29
On June 25 2013 17:44 TheBloodyDwarf wrote:
elfi vs Mvp 2-1
tefel vs Beasty 2-0
elfi vs tefel 0-2
elfi vs Beasty 2-1

i won't get into the insanity of these predictions because you're Finnish, but you're missing a match there. namely the losers match. i guess you're implying that Beasty wins that (which is wrong), but just saying.

also i like how you predict the worst player in the world to make it through 4-0 :D i think you're just trying to make people angry with these predicitions
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Entirety
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
1423 Posts
June 25 2013 09:59 GMT
#30
On June 25 2013 18:34 Schelim wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 25 2013 17:44 TheBloodyDwarf wrote:
elfi vs Mvp 2-1
tefel vs Beasty 2-0
elfi vs tefel 0-2
elfi vs Beasty 2-1

i won't get into the insanity of these predictions because you're Finnish, but you're missing a match there. namely the losers match. i guess you're implying that Beasty wins that (which is wrong), but just saying.

also i like how you predict the worst player in the world to make it through 4-0 :D i think you're just trying to make people angry with these predicitions


Woah woah...

I disagree with his predictions too, but everyone is entitled to his/her opinion.
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hillman
Profile Joined February 2012
United States162 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-06-25 10:12:35
June 25 2013 10:10 GMT
#31
I hope MVP's wrists shatter....Er, I mean "GO FOREIGNERS"!!

Dima did make him look silly in group stages so hopefully he'll get beat down...nothing sadder than a once great player going to another country to stay relevant. He's like David Beckham playing in MLS in the states. Or if Jordan played ball in Europe (he would never go out like MVP though).
hillman
Profile Joined February 2012
United States162 Posts
June 25 2013 10:15 GMT
#32
On June 25 2013 18:34 Schelim wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 25 2013 17:44 TheBloodyDwarf wrote:
elfi vs Mvp 2-1
tefel vs Beasty 2-0
elfi vs tefel 0-2
elfi vs Beasty 2-1

i won't get into the insanity of these predictions because you're Finnish, but you're missing a match there. namely the losers match. i guess you're implying that Beasty wins that (which is wrong), but just saying.

also i like how you predict the worst player in the world to make it through 4-0 :D i think you're just trying to make people angry with these predicitions


Def. not worst player in the world, and you can't say anything is "wrong" until you have facts, dog. I.e., you can't call a prediction wrong until the actual event happens...that's how time works man.
TheBloodyDwarf
Profile Blog Joined March 2012
Finland7524 Posts
June 25 2013 10:18 GMT
#33
tefel is very good player
Fusilero: "I still can't believe he did that, like dude what the fuck there's fandom and then there's what he did like holy shit. I still see it when I close my eyes." <- reaction to the original drunk santa post which later caught on
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Profile Joined December 2011
4279 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-06-25 10:18:41
June 25 2013 10:18 GMT
#34
edit: wrong thread
Schelim
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Austria11528 Posts
June 25 2013 10:19 GMT
#35
On June 25 2013 19:15 hillman wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 25 2013 18:34 Schelim wrote:
On June 25 2013 17:44 TheBloodyDwarf wrote:
elfi vs Mvp 2-1
tefel vs Beasty 2-0
elfi vs tefel 0-2
elfi vs Beasty 2-1

i won't get into the insanity of these predictions because you're Finnish, but you're missing a match there. namely the losers match. i guess you're implying that Beasty wins that (which is wrong), but just saying.

also i like how you predict the worst player in the world to make it through 4-0 :D i think you're just trying to make people angry with these predicitions


Def. not worst player in the world, and you can't say anything is "wrong" until you have facts, dog. I.e., you can't call a prediction wrong until the actual event happens...that's how time works man.

the "worst player in the world" thing is a meme about Tefel. i'm not 100% serious, i actually think he's pretty good

and i'm saying the prediction is wrong because Mvp is 10 times better than those other guys. no disrespect to any of them but they are mid tier Europeans at best, all of them. i'm also saying it's wrong because i'm a huge Mvp fan and i'd be more than fine with him winning all the WCS EU seasons this year, then go back to Korea next year and win all four WCS KR seasons
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Adonminus
Profile Joined January 2012
Israel543 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-06-25 10:27:02
June 25 2013 10:23 GMT
#36
I'd say tefel is a beast in ZvP, elfi stands no chance against him. Probably MVP and Tefel advance.

My predictions:

Mvp > elfi 2-0
Tefel > Beastyqt 2-1
Mvp > Tefel 2-0
elfi > Beastyqt 2-1
Tefel > elfi 2-0
govie
Profile Blog Joined November 2012
9334 Posts
June 25 2013 10:34 GMT
#37
beastyqt and tefel advance
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Profile Joined February 2012
United States162 Posts
June 25 2013 10:38 GMT
#38
On June 25 2013 19:19 Schelim wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 25 2013 19:15 hillman wrote:
On June 25 2013 18:34 Schelim wrote:
On June 25 2013 17:44 TheBloodyDwarf wrote:
elfi vs Mvp 2-1
tefel vs Beasty 2-0
elfi vs tefel 0-2
elfi vs Beasty 2-1

i won't get into the insanity of these predictions because you're Finnish, but you're missing a match there. namely the losers match. i guess you're implying that Beasty wins that (which is wrong), but just saying.

also i like how you predict the worst player in the world to make it through 4-0 :D i think you're just trying to make people angry with these predicitions


Def. not worst player in the world, and you can't say anything is "wrong" until you have facts, dog. I.e., you can't call a prediction wrong until the actual event happens...that's how time works man.

the "worst player in the world" thing is a meme about Tefel. i'm not 100% serious, i actually think he's pretty good

and i'm saying the prediction is wrong because Mvp is 10 times better than those other guys. no disrespect to any of them but they are mid tier Europeans at best, all of them. i'm also saying it's wrong because i'm a huge Mvp fan and i'd be more than fine with him winning all the WCS EU seasons this year, then go back to Korea next year and win all four WCS KR seasons


ahh fuck it, you're right of course, he'll stomp 'prolly...I just find it stupid that koreans go to other regions 'cuz they can't cut the mustard in their country. I hope MVP pulls a Nestea to be honest. But I'm not an MVP dickrider
GreggSauce
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States566 Posts
June 25 2013 11:01 GMT
#39
On June 25 2013 19:38 hillman wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 25 2013 19:19 Schelim wrote:
On June 25 2013 19:15 hillman wrote:
On June 25 2013 18:34 Schelim wrote:
On June 25 2013 17:44 TheBloodyDwarf wrote:
elfi vs Mvp 2-1
tefel vs Beasty 2-0
elfi vs tefel 0-2
elfi vs Beasty 2-1

i won't get into the insanity of these predictions because you're Finnish, but you're missing a match there. namely the losers match. i guess you're implying that Beasty wins that (which is wrong), but just saying.

also i like how you predict the worst player in the world to make it through 4-0 :D i think you're just trying to make people angry with these predicitions


Def. not worst player in the world, and you can't say anything is "wrong" until you have facts, dog. I.e., you can't call a prediction wrong until the actual event happens...that's how time works man.

the "worst player in the world" thing is a meme about Tefel. i'm not 100% serious, i actually think he's pretty good

and i'm saying the prediction is wrong because Mvp is 10 times better than those other guys. no disrespect to any of them but they are mid tier Europeans at best, all of them. i'm also saying it's wrong because i'm a huge Mvp fan and i'd be more than fine with him winning all the WCS EU seasons this year, then go back to Korea next year and win all four WCS KR seasons


ahh fuck it, you're right of course, he'll stomp 'prolly...I just find it stupid that koreans go to other regions 'cuz they can't cut the mustard in their country. I hope MVP pulls a Nestea to be honest. But I'm not an MVP dickrider


Its not really dickriding if he is in fact one of the best players in the world. Sure MVP loses and looks weak but he wins and keeps winning. Did you not see him against life? Or him against innovation??

He gave it his all in those games and I think that's amazing.
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icydergosu
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
528 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-06-25 11:31:42
June 25 2013 11:07 GMT
#40
Does anybody have an IP of one of the korean servers the client is actually connecting to?
Not the logon servers.

found them
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Profile Blog Joined February 2012
United Kingdom14103 Posts
June 25 2013 11:12 GMT
#41
Mvp fighting as per usual!
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Profile Joined May 2010
Germany115 Posts
June 25 2013 11:19 GMT
#42
wasnt the Season 2 to be entirely offline? ... If MVP falls early due to lag he deserves it
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Profile Joined August 2011
Australia12 Posts
June 25 2013 11:32 GMT
#43
I dont know why everybody is counting Beastyqt out??? Hes been showing some good games and could cause some serious upsets especially against the elfi with his cool tvp pressure styles!
Shellshock
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States97276 Posts
June 25 2013 11:37 GMT
#44
On June 25 2013 20:19 TwiStEr wrote:
wasnt the Season 2 to be entirely offline? ... If MVP falls early due to lag he deserves it

I dont think it's supposed to be entirely offline until 2014
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Oddball28
Profile Joined May 2013
Denmark2121 Posts
June 25 2013 11:41 GMT
#45
Go MVP! You delivered some of the most entertaining matches last season, and i'm looking forward to a whole new set of cool games! My wish is for Flash and MVP to meet in the season finals. A dream come true.
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izen
Profile Joined September 2010
Sweden136 Posts
June 25 2013 11:42 GMT
#46
Come on MVP! Show them no mercy
a thousand screaming voices, Eager to watch you succeed Give them something real to believe
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Profile Joined July 2011
Germany1426 Posts
June 25 2013 11:50 GMT
#47
On June 25 2013 19:10 hillman wrote:
I hope MVP's wrists shatter....Er, I mean "GO FOREIGNERS"!!

Dima did make him look silly in group stages so hopefully he'll get beat down...nothing sadder than a once great player going to another country to stay relevant. He's like David Beckham playing in MLS in the states. Or if Jordan played ball in Europe (he would never go out like MVP though).



But Europe is not that bad. It's not that of an easy win.
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sabas123
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Netherlands3122 Posts
June 25 2013 11:56 GMT
#48
1484 days???
The harder it becomes, the more you should focus on the basics.
bypLy
Profile Joined June 2013
757 Posts
June 25 2013 12:01 GMT
#49
mvp fighting
Vansetsu
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States1454 Posts
June 25 2013 12:05 GMT
#50
Well, let's assuming Mvp gets past the lag and Elfi, he should be set.
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kedA
Profile Joined November 2011
France11 Posts
June 25 2013 12:08 GMT
#51
On June 25 2013 19:10 hillman wrote:
I hope MVP's wrists shatter....Er, I mean "GO FOREIGNERS"!!

Dima did make him look silly in group stages so hopefully he'll get beat down...nothing sadder than a once great player going to another country to stay relevant. He's like David Beckham playing in MLS in the states. Or if Jordan played ball in Europe (he would never go out like MVP though).


Why so hateful ?
I think 2-3 against innovation proves he's still pretty relevant.
Entirety
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
1423 Posts
June 25 2013 12:12 GMT
#52
On June 25 2013 21:08 kedA wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 25 2013 19:10 hillman wrote:
I hope MVP's wrists shatter....Er, I mean "GO FOREIGNERS"!!

Dima did make him look silly in group stages so hopefully he'll get beat down...nothing sadder than a once great player going to another country to stay relevant. He's like David Beckham playing in MLS in the states. Or if Jordan played ball in Europe (he would never go out like MVP though).


Why so hateful ?
I think 2-3 against innovation proves he's still pretty relevant.


I think Game 2 of that series is proof enough.
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Thrillz
Profile Joined May 2012
4313 Posts
June 25 2013 12:25 GMT
#53
Knowing Mvp, he'll probably fail to advance, only to come back the season after and win the whole thing after everyone starts doubting him.
Silvanel
Profile Blog Joined March 2003
Poland4725 Posts
June 25 2013 12:40 GMT
#54
Go Tefel Go!
Pathetic Greta hater.
ref4
Profile Joined March 2012
2933 Posts
June 25 2013 12:50 GMT
#55
we need more Mvp doubters for him to advance
karfussen
Profile Joined March 2011
Poland55 Posts
June 25 2013 13:14 GMT
#56
Tefel is really good - he is top1 in Poland right now. Would like to see him advance
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Ctesias
Profile Joined December 2012
4595 Posts
June 25 2013 14:07 GMT
#57
If Mvp is eliminated, so are my chances of watching WCS EU. Just saying.
Flash | Mvp
Irre
Profile Joined August 2010
United States646 Posts
June 25 2013 14:20 GMT
#58
On June 25 2013 19:10 hillman wrote:
I hope MVP's wrists shatter....Er, I mean "GO FOREIGNERS"!!

Dima did make him look silly in group stages so hopefully he'll get beat down...nothing sadder than a once great player going to another country to stay relevant. He's like David Beckham playing in MLS in the states. Or if Jordan played ball in Europe (he would never go out like MVP though).



yeah...thats why MVP got top 4 finish nearly beating innovation...he really needs to "stay relevant". MVP is the greatest player of Sc2, he could disappear for a year and would STILL be relevant.
HammerKick
Profile Blog Joined May 2013
France6190 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-06-25 14:50:42
June 25 2013 14:48 GMT
#59
I would say that:

MVP > Elfi
Beastyqt > Tefel
MVP > Beastyqt
Elfi > Tefel
Beastyqt > Elfi

Beastyqt doesn't play bio that much... am I wrong?
and I think he can do it against Elfi.
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PooLsharK
Profile Joined August 2011
Germany179 Posts
June 25 2013 14:51 GMT
#60
Jürgen hast this, no question about it!
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xbertssmiler
Profile Joined July 2012
Germany14 Posts
June 25 2013 15:09 GMT
#61
LONG LIVE THE JÜRGEN
Gorribal
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
Canada186 Posts
June 25 2013 15:10 GMT
#62
Does anyone have the source for MVP choosing to stay in Korea?

Normally I wouldn't doubt TL but it just seems so crazy, he's going to Europe anyways, and where he's staying whether it be SK or Acer or WCS EU house it can't cost him money, it would only cost him something if he went back to Korea before Ro16 but why would he, LG-IM has plenty of good players for GSTl and MVP was never a team league player, and on top of all that he has plenty of money to spare. Just seems unbelievable he would risk being knocked out of the tournament for something like that.
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Naphal
Profile Joined December 2010
Germany2099 Posts
June 25 2013 15:10 GMT
#63
best hots tournament hands down, perfect timezone, great production, and jürgen, my most favorite player of all time!
Gorribal
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
Canada186 Posts
June 25 2013 15:12 GMT
#64
On June 25 2013 19:10 hillman wrote:
I hope MVP's wrists shatter....Er, I mean "GO FOREIGNERS"!!

Dima did make him look silly in group stages so hopefully he'll get beat down...nothing sadder than a once great player going to another country to stay relevant. He's like David Beckham playing in MLS in the states. Or if Jordan played ball in Europe (he would never go out like MVP though).



Such a post is so ignorant, stupid and just shameful to exist on TL.

User was warned for this post
"PartinG keeps touching us and groping us (laughs)." - Rain
-NeBu-
Profile Joined September 2012
Poland107 Posts
June 25 2013 15:14 GMT
#65
gogogo Tefel!
IMScientist
Profile Joined March 2011
Italy125 Posts
June 25 2013 15:32 GMT
#66
GO MVP
This guy plays like he was sent down from heavens
goody153
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
44099 Posts
June 25 2013 15:34 GMT
#67
Mvp the foreigners last hope vs koreans
this is a quote
goody153
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
44099 Posts
June 25 2013 15:38 GMT
#68
mvp is my favorite but idk about him winning .. just look at what happened in osl group e & f earlier .. there were players who was surely gonna go through but didnt
this is a quote
Elucidate
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
205 Posts
June 25 2013 15:48 GMT
#69
MVP and elfi, ever the enigmas.
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Elucidate
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
205 Posts
June 25 2013 17:49 GMT
#70
Oh my goodness that first game between Tefel and MVP, that hurt to watch.
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Pino
Profile Joined June 2013
1032 Posts
June 25 2013 17:57 GMT
#71
omg Tefel...
Adonminus
Profile Joined January 2012
Israel543 Posts
June 25 2013 18:05 GMT
#72
People should stop underestimating Tefel. He's one of the top european zergs, would say he's even in top3 european zerg right now.
RevTiberius
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada353 Posts
June 25 2013 18:21 GMT
#73
Stream so laggy....
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Elucidate
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
205 Posts
June 25 2013 18:57 GMT
#74
I think that 2nd game of MVP v. Tefel was the most impressive thing I've seen in a while though from a mental standpoint. The fact that he didn't just utterly crumble is a feat in and of itself, but that he and was able to hold together then actually win a game is even more praise-worthy. He definitely gained my respect, which admittedly was a bit wavering given that G1 showing.
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bypLy
Profile Joined June 2013
757 Posts
June 25 2013 19:27 GMT
#75
wowser, superb play by mvp
hillman
Profile Joined February 2012
United States162 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-06-25 19:36:41
June 25 2013 19:34 GMT
#76
On June 26 2013 00:12 Gorribal wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 25 2013 19:10 hillman wrote:
I hope MVP's wrists shatter....Er, I mean "GO FOREIGNERS"!!

Dima did make him look silly in group stages so hopefully he'll get beat down...nothing sadder than a once great player going to another country to stay relevant. He's like David Beckham playing in MLS in the states. Or if Jordan played ball in Europe (he would never go out like MVP though).



Such a post is so ignorant, stupid and just shameful to exist on TL.

User was warned for this post


lol, must have hit a nerve on you man-crush or something...just my opinion, dawg. Care to elaborate on why MVP is not similar to David Beckham playing in the states?
hillman
Profile Joined February 2012
United States162 Posts
June 25 2013 19:35 GMT
#77
On June 25 2013 20:50 arkedos wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 25 2013 19:10 hillman wrote:
I hope MVP's wrists shatter....Er, I mean "GO FOREIGNERS"!!

Dima did make him look silly in group stages so hopefully he'll get beat down...nothing sadder than a once great player going to another country to stay relevant. He's like David Beckham playing in MLS in the states. Or if Jordan played ball in Europe (he would never go out like MVP though).



But Europe is not that bad. It's not that of an easy win.


You are right, Tefel took him to 3....And probably should have won but completely choked when he had double MVP's supply.
zelderan
Profile Joined May 2013
United States163 Posts
June 25 2013 19:47 GMT
#78
Anyone else catch that tragedy of a game between MVP and Tefel?? Holy shit that was crazy.
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Pegas
Profile Joined April 2012
Romania211 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-06-25 22:17:04
June 25 2013 22:16 GMT
#79
Biggest comeback I ever saw in a pro sc2 game, dayum, I mean he was on 5 SCV`s vs a 3 base Zerg .. that was crazy!
As a rule, men worry more about what they can't see than about what they can
Cattlecruiser
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
United States340 Posts
June 25 2013 22:46 GMT
#80
elfi loses! I can't get myself to cheer on low apm players, even if they are foreigners.
On June 26 2013 04:34 hillman wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 26 2013 00:12 Gorribal wrote:
On June 25 2013 19:10 hillman wrote:
I hope MVP's wrists shatter....Er, I mean "GO FOREIGNERS"!!

Dima did make him look silly in group stages so hopefully he'll get beat down...nothing sadder than a once great player going to another country to stay relevant. He's like David Beckham playing in MLS in the states. Or if Jordan played ball in Europe (he would never go out like MVP though).



Such a post is so ignorant, stupid and just shameful to exist on TL.

User was warned for this post


lol, must have hit a nerve on you man-crush or something...just my opinion, dawg. Care to elaborate on why MVP is not similar to David Beckham playing in the states?

Wishing injury to players is so classy...
Something that TL needs more of.
Dodgin
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada39254 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-06-25 23:09:52
June 25 2013 23:07 GMT
#81
On June 26 2013 00:10 Gorribal wrote:
Does anyone have the source for MVP choosing to stay in Korea?

Normally I wouldn't doubt TL but it just seems so crazy, he's going to Europe anyways, and where he's staying whether it be SK or Acer or WCS EU house it can't cost him money, it would only cost him something if he went back to Korea before Ro16 but why would he, LG-IM has plenty of good players for GSTl and MVP was never a team league player, and on top of all that he has plenty of money to spare. Just seems unbelievable he would risk being knocked out of the tournament for something like that.


I think the timing has a lot to do with it, if you look at the schedule for WCS EU you will see that the ro32 takes place over 4 weeks, unlike the 2 weeks for GSL/OSL. If Mvp went to EU for his group he would be staying there for a solid month before he has to play the ro16, he probably figured it was worth the risk to stay home because his group was relatively weak. This way he can train at the LG-IM house for a month before the ro16 instead of going to Europe where his practice conditions aren't nearly as good.

Regarding the source, Waxangel probably asked around, I can't imagine it was too difficult to get an answer.

On June 26 2013 04:35 hillman wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 25 2013 20:50 arkedos wrote:
On June 25 2013 19:10 hillman wrote:
I hope MVP's wrists shatter....Er, I mean "GO FOREIGNERS"!!

Dima did make him look silly in group stages so hopefully he'll get beat down...nothing sadder than a once great player going to another country to stay relevant. He's like David Beckham playing in MLS in the states. Or if Jordan played ball in Europe (he would never go out like MVP though).



But Europe is not that bad. It's not that of an easy win.


You are right, Tefel took him to 3....And probably should have won but completely choked when he had double MVP's supply.


Don't judge the entire region based on Tefel, that's silly. It's not that surprising that Mvp would lose a game playing with kr > eu lag.
igay
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
Australia1178 Posts
June 25 2013 23:38 GMT
#82
Mvp has got this
MVP <3 MKP <3 DRG <3
emPER12
Profile Joined June 2011
62 Posts
June 26 2013 16:08 GMT
#83
can someone explain me why if this is a european cup there are two foreigners competing?
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