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[SPL] Round 3 Week 2 - Chaos Theory

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[SPL] Round 3 Week 2 - Chaos Theory

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February 9th, 2013 00:31 GMT

SKPlanet PRoleague

Table of Contents



Week 2 Lookback
Short Recaps


Fantasy Spotlight
Shorter this time


SK Planet Proleague table and results at Liquipedia

R3 Week 2 Lookback



By: Pokebunny and Zealously

Round three continues to turn everything on its head as former bottom teams Samsung KHAN and Team 8 have caught up with KT Rolster, showing absolutely stunning form. With the rankings still in flux, the only consistent thing in Proleague seems to be its inherent unpredictability. In the same week, ex-Failhoon Argo briefly became Acehoon, defeating Flash in a deciding match, only to transform back into Failhoon just a few days later as he lost against EG-TL piñata Puma. On the other hand, one might consider Proleague to be consistently inconsistent – and this strange form of consistency certainly showed in week two.

Note that because of the Korean New Year, there will be no matches this week. Matches will resume February 16th.

Feburary 1st, 3rd

3
KT Rolster
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Live Report Thread

(P)Zest (P7GAB/Wooki) <Cloud Kingdom> (Z)Savage (Ryul2)
(Z)Action <Akilon Flats> (T)TY (BaBy)
(T)Flash <Entombed Valley> (P)Argo (Jaehoon)
(T)Mind <Antiga Shipyard> (T)Cure (Speed)
(Z)Crazy <Neo Arkanoid> (Z)TRUE (Alone)
(P)Carno (Stats) <Neo Planet S> (P)Terminator
(T)Flash < Neo Bifrost> (P)Argo (Jaehoon)
4
KeSPA 8th Team
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KT Rolster vs. Team 8 was perhaps the most predictable match in a long time, with the better players on each team trading games while those with mediocre performances so far fell in, at least somewhat, predictable fashion.
Argo, whose newfound reliability under pressure cannot be mentioned enough times, fell against Flash's superior defenses, but clutch performances from Cure and Terminator allowed him another chance in the ace match against the KT ace.

This time, however, Argo emerged victorious after Flash misread the situation, taking a chance on blind-countering colossi when Argo was in fact going for a gateway-centric army. This allowed the Team 8 Protoss to take the win, grabbing his first ever ace-match win in Starcraft II. Although KT Rolster put up a good fight and got close to winning the series, their troubles will continue as long as they do not have an ace to reliably win that crucial seventh game. Although two (more on that later) ace match losses are only drops in an ocean of wins for Flash, KT seems to lose their edge when Flash is not performing up to expectations, and this could be a sign of trouble for KT Rolster.

4
Samsung KHAN
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Live Report Thread

(Z)RorO <CalDeum 3> (Z)Jaedong
(T)Reality <Cloud Kingdom> (Z)Zenio
(T)TurN <Antiga Shipyard> (T)PuMa
(P)Stork < Akilon Flats> (P)JYP
(P)JangBi < Neo Bifrost> (P)HerO
(Z)Shine <Neo Arkanoid> (Z)Revival
1
EG-TL
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Though EG-TL swept Samsung KHAN with a clean 4-0 in Round 1 and just narrowly lost 3-4 against a rampaging Jangbi in Round two, it seems that with the wave of momentum behind Samsung and whatever the opposite of momentum is behind EG-TL, KHAN is currently, by far, the superior team. Friday was a bad day for EG-TL, to put it mildly – with only JYP being able to take a game by out-coinflipping Stork on Akilon Flats. On Samsung KHAN's end, it was Jangbi who sealed the deal after perhaps the strangest game so far this season as a cannon rush went up against a two-gate and hilarity ensued.
Although both Jangbi and HerO inflicted serious damage to the other player which forced them both to slowly rebuild, Jangbi eventually found himself in a better position and killed EG-TL's ace with a bunch of stalkers.

More than anything else, this match put EG-TL's weaknesses for everyone to see. With Taeja, Stephano, Hero, Jaedong, JYP and Revival they have one of the strongest rosters in Proleague on a good day, but they are constantly plagued by an inconsistency that prevents them from realising the team's potential. With Taeja still not playing in Proleague and the dynamic duo of Puma/Zenio's apparent inability to win games, EG-TL looks no better as we head deeper into the season.

0
STX Soul
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Live Report Thread

(T)INnoVation (Bogus) <Entombed Valley> (P)Aria (NaGi)
(T)Classic < Neo Bifrost> (P)sOs (sHy)
(Z)hyvaa <CalDeum 3> (Z)ZerO
(T)Last <Neo Arkanoid> (T)Light
(P)Trap <Cloud Kingdom> (P)free
(P)Dear <Antiga Shipyard> (Z)Soulkey
4
Woongjin Stars
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”We came, we saw, we conquered” best describes Woongjin Stars in their third match against STX SouL as the highest ranking team in Proleague put on yet another convincing performance, rolling STX 4-0. The closest game of the series might have been InnoVation vs. Aria (NaGi), where InnoVation had several chances to attack and win but played all too passive and eventually lost to the Woongjin rookie. Other than that, the series was riddled with rather lackluster performances from the players that desperately need to perform.

In general, though, the result of this match was nothing but expected. The strongest team in Proleague, with the deepest roster and KeSPA's best GSL performer and several ace-quality players, going up against SouL, the lowest ranking team team in the league, their roster not reliable enough to stand up against Woongjin's almost unfairly deep roster. STX doubtlessly has the players to hang with the middling Proleague teams – but only on a good day. With this performance, along with others this season, they show that while they are capable of great highs, they can also achieve abysmal lows. In defense of STX, we've seen Samsung KHAN and Team 8 almost miraculously shape up recently, so we cannot count out SouL yet.

4
CJ Entus
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Live Report Thread

(Z)Hydra <Cloud Kingdom> (Z)soO
(Z)SonGDuri < Akilon Flats> (Z)Sacsri
(Z)EffOrt <Entombed Valley> (T)Fantasy
(P)herO <Antiga Shipyard> (P)ParalyzE
(P)Bong <Neo Arkanoid> (Z)s2
(T)sKyHigh <Neo Planet S> (P)Rain
(P)herO < Neo Bifrost> (T)Fantasy
3
SK Telecom T1
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Coming off their most recent win against arch-rival KT Rolster, things were looking up for SK Telecom T1 as they headed into their match against last season's champions in CJ Entus. The series did not disappoint, as the best players on both teams almost miraculously played to the best of the abilities. And, just like one would expect when some of KeSPA's (mildly inconsistent) best go up against each other, some of the better games of the season were produced. While CJ Entus may have taken the series after herO came through with the ace win people expected of him a while back, the highlight of the night was without even a shred of doubt the third set of the match, with Effort up against Fantasy, rating among the best games if not the best game of the season.

The match started off fairly standard, with Effort deflecting a slightly more economical 12/14 rax from Fantasy before they both went up to their desired three bases. Soon after, Fantasy went for his trademark bio aggression, attacking the CJ Zerg on multiple fronts. Effort defended well and the two players came out essentially dead even. With Fantasy going into marine/tank, Effort went for ling/bling/muta, using the mobility of the mutas to deny drops across the map. Fantasy came within an inch of winning the game as he sieged Effort's fourth, but he was pushed back and this eventually ended up being the turning point for Effort, who from then on exerted map dominance with a powerful broodlord/infestor force. In response to this, Fantasy brought nukes to the field, but questionable control (nuking a large part of his starved army, mostly) eventually ended up costing him the game.

February 4th - 5th

3
KT Rolster
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Live Report Thread

(P)Stats <Entombed Valley> (P)Stork
(T)Flash < Neo Bifrost> (T)TurN
(Z)Action <CalDeum 3> (Z)RorO
(Z)Crazy-Hydra <Neo Arkanoid> (Z)Shine
(P)MyuNgSiK <Cloud Kingdom> (P)JangBi
(P)Wooki <Antiga Shipyard> (T)Reality
(T)Flash < Akilon Flats> (Z)RorO
4
Samsung KHAN
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One storyline we've been following throughout the season is KT's search for a solid sixth player. Sure they have a solid core of Flash, Carno(Stats), Zest(Wooki/P7GAB), Action, and Crazy, but that coveted sixth slot is always up for grabs. MyuNgSiK took a stab at it this week and in his debut match of the season, he took down one of Samsung's strongest players in Jangbi. It might have appeared that MyuNgSiK would be the key sixth player KT had hoped for, but when you take a closer look at the game, you'll realize that MyuNgSiK was just a sniper, using a carefully planned out cannon rush to snipe Samsung's key player. The search continues.

In the end, KT Rolster and Flash couldn't finish the deed, losing to an on-fire RorO in the ace match. Samsung continues to rise with their stellar 3-0 performance thus far in Round 3, breaking into the upper half of the Proleague standings for the first time since their abysmal losing streak to start off the season. With RorO and JangBi finally living up to expectations and the supporting cast pulling in wins day in and day out, Samsung has definitely proven that they are no longer a cellar-dweller in what should continue to be an exciting long season of Proleague. For KT, the match was rough, but in reality not too much can be said - they just need to get back to their winning ways and they should be able to keep their playoff position.

2
KeSPa 8th Team
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Live Report Thread

(T)TY <Antiga Shipyard> (Z)Jaedong
(Z)Savage <CalDeum 3> (Z)Revival
(P)Terminator <Akilon Flats> (Z)Stephano
(P)Argo <Entombed Valley> (T)PuMa
(Z)TRUE <Neo Planet S> (P)HerO
(T)Cure <Neo Bifrost> (P)JYP
4
EG-TL
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After woes throughout much of Round 2 and Round 3, EG-TL desperately needed a boost, but a surprisingly solid Team 8 would not prove to be an easy opponent. Things looked to be going the way of previous weeks with two of their better performers, Jaedong and Revival, falling to TY and Savage. With Argo and Cure still waiting in the wings with favorable matchups for Team 8, things were looking grim for the foreign superstars. However, patient play from EG-TL stalwarts in Stephano, HerO, and JYP along with a flashback 1/1/1 from PuMa to upset Argo allowed EG-TL to pull through with a 4-2 victory. The PuMa and JYP victories were especially surprising, as PuMa had yet to record a single Proleague win (and Argo had been looking like a top Proleague player as of late) and JYP's infamous PvT going up against the impressive Cure didn't look too promising, but the original EG Koreans were both able to prove their worth with big wins.

It was a much-needed victory for EG-TL, as their recent skid had led many to question whether the team could hold up without ace TaeJa, and with Stephano's future plans uncertain, the team definitely looked to be in trouble. If PuMa can step up to be a solid contributor in weeks to come, EG-TL's prospects of success definitely seem to be looking up a little bit. Team 8's loss was particularly disappointing after big wins early on, with top Round 2 performers Argo and Speed both failing to win matches they were certainly expected to.

4
STX Soul
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Live Report Thread

(P)Trap < Neo Planet S > (P)herO
(Z)hyvaa < Neo Arkanoid > (P)Bong
(T)Classic < Neo Bifrost > (Z)EffOrt
(P)Dear < Cloud Kingdom > (Z)Hydra
(T)INnoVation (Bogus) < Antiga Shipyard > (T)sKyHigh
(T)Last < Entombed Valley > (Z)SonGDuri
1
CJ Entus
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After a painful sweep at the hands of Woongjin, STX headed into their match with CJ hoping to right the ship and continue clawing their way towards playoff contention. CJ's herO continued his strong performance after a relatively disappointing Round 2 with a PvP win over Trap, but that was to be the only bright spot in a 4-1 STX domination, with huge favorites EffOrt and Hydra falling to Classic and Dear. Classic's win especially was impressive, playing well to take a much-deserved victory over EffOrt, whose performance hasn't quite been up to par as of late.

STX's mashup of players with no clear big favorites has been scoring quite a few wins as of late, and all they really need at this point is for someone to step up as a real ace. INnoVation was expected to play that role earlier in the season, but fairly average performances have placed him among the ranks of what would be maybe a second or third best player on most teams. Still, life in camp STX is certainly looking up, while the same can't entirely be said for CJ. They did take a close win over SKT earlier in the week, but a 1-2 record especially highlighted with their loss to Samsung has caused them to trade places with Samsung in the rankings, falling out of the top half. With EffOrt and Hydra not being as reliable as in the past, CJ will need big contributions from players outside their top three to see continued success.

4
Woongjin Stars
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Live Report Thread

(P)free < Antiga Shipyard > (Z)soO
(Z)ZerO < CalDeum 3 > (Z)Sacsri
(P)sOs (sHy) < Akilon Flats > (P)Rain
(P)Flying < Entombed Valley > (P)BeSt
(Z)Soulkey < Neo Planet S > (T)FanTaSy
(T)BrAvO (hon_sin) < Neo Bifrost > (Z)s2
2
SK Telecom T1
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There was no clear favorite with this interesting set of match-ups for SKT vs Woongjin. With the teams looking fairly even going into what some might expect to be a match between two top teams. Unfortunately, the reality is that SKT just hasn't been that top contender team as of late that we still seem to expect them to be - at only one point in round three, SKT saw a ton of fantasy team picks from hopefuls that they would return to former glory, but they just haven't managed to put it all together yet.

The highlight of the night was Rain vs sOs, a battle between Proleague's top two performing Protoss. With both these players showing their typical solid standard styles, we were treated to a macro PvP the likes of which we'd never seen before, a modern extreme late game PvP. In an extremely close and nail-biting game, the two players smashed together some of the strongest PvP armies we'd ever seen. In the end, Rain won by the closest of margins by catching sOs's superior army out of position.

Unfortunately, despite SKT taking two highly contested match-ups between big guns early on, they weren't able to pull it together - Fantasy continued his horrible woes in Round 3 (falling to an 0-4 record) and BeSt and s2 were defeated in the battle between the supporting casts. This match marked yet another disappointing loss for SKT, especially considering that sOs and free both failed to win for Woongjin. The result in itself was not so disappointing as was the way the series went, with SKT completely unable to close out a hopeful start. They just can't seem to get all their players going full steam ahead at once, and that's going to continue to be a big problem, and their fall to 6th place in the rankings certainly shows their woes. Woongjin's depth was displayed once again, with their lineup being perhaps the most well rounded of all the Proleague teams in the traditional Proleague format.

Round 3, Week 2 Standings




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Fantasy Spotlight

by monk



Biggest Winners


(Z)RorO(21 points, +13), (P)herO[jOin](15 points, +12)
With three victories each including an ace match win, RorO and CJ's herO skyrocket to the top of the rankings. Both players remain undefeated this round. RorO especially is having a great round with 5 straight victories including two ace matches. Should he win his next game, he'll gain two extra points for his six game winning streak.

Woongjin Stars(8 points, +9)
Though they had a rough week one, Woongjin Stars came back in a big way, all-killing STX Soul and thrashing SK Telecom T1 with a 4-2 score. With these back-to-back victories, they start to show that they're truly the kings of the proleague format that rewards a deep, well-balanced line-up.

Biggest Losers


(T)FanTaSy(0 points, -1)
Though Fantasy was one of the best performing players in round one, round three has not been so kind to him as he now resides at the bottom of the barrel with a 0-4 score. To be fair, his opponents have been among the top players of Proleague including Effort, Soulkey, Crazy, and herO[jOin]. But for a player of his caliber, we at least expect him to take one victory.

The Optimal Team


This round's optimal team so far contain some of the most anti-teamed players that exist. Terminator was actually most anti-teamed player this round and both TY and Shine were also up there. It all goes to show that the general populace may not always have the best handle on matters of Fantasy Proleague.

Main TeamCostPointsAnti-TeamCostPoints
(P)herO[jOin]515(Z)Action50
(T)Reality38(T)Fantasy80
(Z)RorO821(Z)PenguiN10
(Z)Shine310
(P)Terminator48
(T)TY58
Samsung KHAN28
Subtotal:3083Subtotal:00
Rank:0Score:83




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Writers: monk, Pokebunny, and Zealously.
Graphics: HawaiianPig
Editors: monk and Waxangel.
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Zealously
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
East Gorteau22261 Posts
February 08 2013 20:24 GMT
#2
[SPL] Round 3 Week 2 - Consistent Inconsistency

I'm not very witty
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moskonia
Profile Joined January 2011
Israel1448 Posts
February 09 2013 00:43 GMT
#3
I almost given up on the FPL, I keep making the wrong choices...
VGhost
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States3613 Posts
February 09 2013 00:43 GMT
#4
The STX-Stars score is 4-0 when it should be 0-4.

Other than that, excellent write-up as always!
#4427 || I am not going to scan a ferret.
Kommatiazo
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States579 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-02-09 00:45:32
February 09 2013 00:43 GMT
#5
Did Wooki change his name AGAIN? Just when we were all getting used to saying "pee-chil-gab"

At least he's sticking with the inconsistency motif. The irony is palpable.




(P)Zest (P7GAB/Wooki) <Cloud Kingdom> (Z)Savage (Ryul2)
(Z)Action <Akilon Flats> (T)TY (BaBy)
(T)Flash <Entombed Valley> (P)Argo (Jaehoon)
(T)Mind <Antiga Shipyard> (T)Cure (Speed)
(Z)Crazy <Neo Arkanoid> (Z)TRUE (Alone)
(P)Carno (Stats) <Neo Planet S> (P)Terminator
(T)Flash < Neo Bifrost> (P)Argo (Jaehoon)


What is this Zest business?
"You must enemy don't know, and very good micro" - Bosstoss #Wet4Ret
larse
Profile Blog Joined March 2012
1611 Posts
February 09 2013 00:45 GMT
#6
This timing is awkward. There are no games to play this week due to the Chinese newyear.
Zenbrez
Profile Joined June 2012
Canada5973 Posts
February 09 2013 00:51 GMT
#7
SKT have the same match winrate as EGTL? That's actually frightening, considering how SKT started off
Refer to my post.
TheDougler
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada8304 Posts
February 09 2013 00:51 GMT
#8
It says 4-3 EGTL vs T8 not 4-2.
I root for Euro Zergs, NA Protoss* and Korean Terrans. (Any North American who has beat a Korean Pro as Protoss counts as NA Toss)
Evil_Sheep
Profile Joined September 2010
Canada902 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-02-09 02:02:59
February 09 2013 01:00 GMT
#9
If there's one thing we've learned from EGTL, it is that as soon as it looks like they have turned a corner, they proceed to immediately fall to pieces again. E.g. in round 2 they had just finished falling to once-bottom ranked Samsung only to take down top-ranked Woongjin Stars in their next match. And then last placed STX Soul smacked them around 4-1 twice in a row in two different formats (all-kill and proleague.)

Now EG has just come off a nightmare week where virtually their entire lineup has been dumped out of the GSL to code B status. HuK, Jaedong, and Revival were KO'd from code A in a 24 hour period to join their teammates JYP, Thorzain and Puma who were unable to fight out of code B. It is quite possible EG has never experienced a lower point. Only Stephano's GSL status is assured.

The main takeaway here is that EGTL simply are not very good, contrary to expectations. Most of their roster have earned their code B status and Taeja, arguably their strongest player, isn't playing for them. There is a shocking lack of depth in EGTL's lineup beneath their big 3 of Taeja, HerO, and Stephano, despite having seemingly a million players to call on. EGTL would actually start to be scary if they could send out Taeja, HerO, and Stephano, but so far these 3 have never played together. Instead in Taeja's absence, being forced to choose b/w Puma and Thorzain for the required terran spot is, as HerO meanly and correctly joked, effectively donating a free win every match.

It is at the point where EGTL should consider replacing its slumping code B koreans with foreigners. EGTL have an abysmal 1-6 record when fielding an all-korean roster (identical coincidentally to Puma's record.) With foreigners playing, they have been 6-4.

Meanwhile Proleague just about seems to exist in a universe of its own. Woongjin's Soulkey has been dominating GSL yet is the 6th best player on his team by win%, hovering just above 50. And after his remarkable GSL performances, some are calling Innovation the best terran in the world yet his record is also an undistinguished 13-11.

The last thing worth pointing out is that last week Proleague's two worst players in Puma (0-6) and Flying (0-4) both finally managed to get their first wins. In Proleague, even the worst can always hope.
ClairvoyanceSC2
Profile Joined February 2012
United States758 Posts
February 09 2013 01:17 GMT
#10
Why am I so bad at choosing my team. WHY MUST RORO AND REALITY BE ON MY ANTI :C
llIH
Profile Joined June 2011
Norway2143 Posts
February 09 2013 01:20 GMT
#11
Soulkey proving what he's worth. Just like in the GSL as well!
VKCA
Profile Joined September 2011
Canada391 Posts
February 09 2013 01:28 GMT
#12
puma is still good you retards... pinata...
there's no shame in loosing to puma...

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SatelliteNoodles
Profile Joined June 2011
220 Posts
February 09 2013 01:59 GMT
#13
Damn EGTL

Lol T1 :D
GIVE ME COMMAND... - Yell0w ­­­
Lovedoll
Profile Joined November 2011
Japan540 Posts
February 09 2013 02:31 GMT
#14
While I enjoyed the wittiness behind the name P7GAB, I can tolerate his new name as "Zest".

CARNO, however, is a terrible name change no matter which way you look at it.
Spread your eggs until they crack!
opterown *
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Australia54784 Posts
February 09 2013 03:34 GMT
#15
wow 83 points is pretty epic
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slowbacontron
Profile Joined October 2012
United States7722 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-02-09 04:19:59
February 09 2013 04:19 GMT
#16
Haha, I love the new name Zest! It's pretty much because of an in-joke between my circle of friends, though. Wooki never fails to disappoint with entertaining names
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CursOr
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States6335 Posts
February 09 2013 04:42 GMT
#17
Wow, the first all SC2 prolegue is hella chaotic... hmmm...
... the game will never have the distinct skill layers at the top like Broodwar did. The only people who would argue with that are the people who didn't really watch pro Broodwar. The top tier of SC2 is essentially a mess. A BO3 between any of the top 100 players in the world is essentially a crapshoot.
CJ forever (-_-(-_-(-_-(-_-)-_-)-_-)-_-)
i.of.the.storm
Profile Joined April 2009
United States795 Posts
February 09 2013 04:54 GMT
#18
Bah holidays are lame, I need my proleague fix

I wonder how many anti-teams Puma ruined?
Maru - The Terran hope is alive!
Eyzo
Profile Joined September 2011
Canada12 Posts
February 09 2013 07:00 GMT
#19
The inconsistency is amazing. take P7GAB. this guy all kills in round 2, just to go back to rocky performance in round 3. Or Terminator, who warranted many of the top teams to be on their anti, and yet here he is plowing the way for T8. Roro suddenly has decided to kick it up a notch and beast things while players like Revival who were expected more of are just playing moderate. CJ.Hero decided that there could be only one hero or something too.
If you can't beat them, I will
eqinf
Profile Joined May 2011
Germany100 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-02-09 07:03:12
February 09 2013 07:01 GMT
#20
duno why but i somehow think that eg/tl isn t focused on proleague as hard as other teams ....

when u just look what tl or eg Players accomplished so far in the last years , they should be complete favorites to win evry match and shouldnt be at the bottom of the rankin.

seriously hero taeja jyp have more code S seasons that all kespa Players code a+s togather
mvp for bonjwa
Release
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States4397 Posts
February 09 2013 07:25 GMT
#21
Roro does not belong on the anti
☺
figq
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
12519 Posts
February 09 2013 07:40 GMT
#22
Cool stuff, I have herO[join], Woongjin Stars as team, and TY from the optimal team here... but I also have Shine on anti-team, and he suddenly became as good as he was supposed to be from the start of Proleague.
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xmungam
Profile Joined July 2012
United States1050 Posts
February 09 2013 08:02 GMT
#23
I LOVE T8
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xmungam
Profile Joined July 2012
United States1050 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-02-09 08:03:31
February 09 2013 08:03 GMT
#24
AAAAAAAAAAAAA I LOVE PROLEAGUE
PROTIP roro will destroy your anti every time
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Sumahi
Profile Blog Joined January 2012
Guam5609 Posts
February 09 2013 08:09 GMT
#25
Puma as a pinata had to make me chuckle. I'm always glad to see him win though since he's on my cellar ranked Fantasy team.
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Archybaldie
Profile Joined June 2011
United Kingdom818 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-02-09 09:08:22
February 09 2013 09:07 GMT
#26
I did a little fun thing on FPL for my anti i ignored everybodys name and just picked based entirely on points and randomly. DO NOT DO THIS ... i ended up with "innovation(bogus), Terminator(sang) and trap as my anti. Needless to say this has not gone well for me.
I'm in the bubblewrap league ... i just keep getting popped
RouaF
Profile Joined October 2010
France4120 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-02-09 09:35:10
February 09 2013 09:34 GMT
#27
no proleague this week-end because chinese new year I guess ?

edit : nevermind it's in the article.
Slayer_Chessi
Profile Joined January 2013
Czech Republic30 Posts
February 09 2013 11:24 GMT
#28
On February 09 2013 13:42 CursOr wrote:
Wow, the first all SC2 prolegue is hella chaotic... hmmm...
... the game will never have the distinct skill layers at the top like Broodwar did. The only people who would argue with that are the people who didn't really watch pro Broodwar. The top tier of SC2 is essentially a mess. A BO3 between any of the top 100 players in the world is essentially a crapshoot.


So true currently the proleague games are not VERY MUCH different from random husky games, when in broodwar, u could be sure that only top 10 players have a chance to beat flash in bo5 (the same for fantasy,bisu, jd...), now u cant be too suprised when no-name white boy (thorzain i.e.) kill top korean pro.
monsta
Profile Joined November 2012
172 Posts
February 09 2013 11:29 GMT
#29
they shoiuld kick zenio and puma from the team -.-
PH
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
United States6173 Posts
February 09 2013 11:58 GMT
#30
SAMSUNG MAKING THAT COMEBACK!
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IcookTacos
Profile Joined December 2011
Sweden295 Posts
February 09 2013 12:15 GMT
#31
JYP winning against stork, and Jaedong, Puma, Zenio and Hero lost all their matches. Would have never called that one out.
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Zealously
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
East Gorteau22261 Posts
February 09 2013 13:42 GMT
#32
On February 09 2013 20:24 Slayer_Chessi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 09 2013 13:42 CursOr wrote:
Wow, the first all SC2 prolegue is hella chaotic... hmmm...
... the game will never have the distinct skill layers at the top like Broodwar did. The only people who would argue with that are the people who didn't really watch pro Broodwar. The top tier of SC2 is essentially a mess. A BO3 between any of the top 100 players in the world is essentially a crapshoot.


So true currently the proleague games are not VERY MUCH different from random husky games, when in broodwar, u could be sure that only top 10 players have a chance to beat flash in bo5 (the same for fantasy,bisu, jd...), now u cant be too suprised when no-name white boy (thorzain i.e.) kill top korean pro.


In fairness, the Starcraft II scene looks a lot different than the Brood War scene did (I might also add that M18M, who was hardly ever a top 10 player, beat Flash in a televised game). Unlike in Brood War, the KeSPA players are still playing the catch-up game with the eSF pros who have been playing the game for much longer and have much more experience. On another note, there aren't many "no-name white boys" that can beat Korean pros in Best of 5's. It's incredibly rare.
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Larkin
Profile Blog Joined January 2012
United Kingdom7161 Posts
February 09 2013 14:55 GMT
#33
Still looks pretty close. Plenty of time to put together a consistent string of results.
https://www.twitch.tv/ttalarkin - streams random stuff, high level teamleague, maybe even heroleague
Gruntt
Profile Joined August 2010
United States175 Posts
February 09 2013 15:05 GMT
#34
jaedong can't win!

why why

manti
Advocado
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Denmark994 Posts
February 09 2013 15:08 GMT
#35
Feburary 1st, 3rd spelled incorrectly - Thank you for the write up.
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00Visor
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
4337 Posts
February 09 2013 16:25 GMT
#36
EG-TL piñata Puma

gave me a laugh, thx
LowEloPlayer
Profile Blog Joined March 2012
United States205 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-02-09 16:47:51
February 09 2013 16:47 GMT
#37
on the optimal team thing, why does it say that reality has only 8 points? doesn't he have 13?

On February 09 2013 18:34 RouaF wrote:
no proleague this week-end because chinese new year I guess ?

edit : nevermind it's in the article.


lunar new year, yes
hmm... let's think about it
warmus
Profile Joined November 2010
United Kingdom196 Posts
February 09 2013 17:07 GMT
#38
Gah im going through PL withdrawal, I miss the format and the players. I think its quite clear at this point that the difference in skill between eSF and KeSPA is practically negligible bar life. SK and bogus made the round of 8 two times in a row, and continue being mediocre in PL (I mean SK is currently the 5th best player on WJS by PL stats, and at one point he was losing so much I was worried they will bench him for a while). Top level SCII is inconsistent for now, and I think this much is clear just by combining PL and GSL viewing experiences. I understand that life is amazing and no one can maybe touch him at this point, but remember? SK took him down 4-0 last season, and people were calling DRG the guaranteed winner of his ro16group too, but to no avail. I think this inconsistency makes it a very exciting season, where we are still uncertain who is going to be the king, or at least a clear "the one to beat". At the moment its only Life in all of SCII, but lets see if he can maintain this dominance, as I think he will really have his work cut out for him in the months to come.
Slayer_Chessi
Profile Joined January 2013
Czech Republic30 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-02-09 18:00:38
February 09 2013 17:59 GMT
#39
+ Show Spoiler +
In fairness, the Starcraft II scene looks a lot different than the Brood War scene did (I might also add that M18M, who was hardly ever a top 10 player, beat Flash in a televised game). Unlike in Brood War, the KeSPA players are still playing the catch-up game with the eSF pros who have been playing the game for much longer and have much more experience. On another note, there aren't many "no-name white boys" that can beat Korean pros in Best of 5's. It's incredibly rare.


Well, I was told that current foreign scene is already behind PL in terms of skill . And PL looks, as was said, extremly inconsistent. But I watch korean PL at most. Btw did u guys see Stephano in PL? I was laughing so hard when he took bases, build 20+ spines and just sit whole game till he had 200/200 broodlords. That was so boring and funny
MysterySC
Profile Joined October 2012
Andorra109 Posts
February 09 2013 18:14 GMT
#40
I really dont like pro league, in a BO1 literally anyone can win... It hardly showcases skill compared to GSL or any other at least BO3 matches
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Zenbrez
Profile Joined June 2012
Canada5973 Posts
February 09 2013 19:04 GMT
#41
On February 10 2013 03:14 MysterySC wrote:
I really dont like pro league, in a BO1 literally anyone can win... It hardly showcases skill compared to GSL or any other at least BO3 matches

So the only team league you like is... EGMCL?
Refer to my post.
Alryk
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United States2718 Posts
February 09 2013 19:58 GMT
#42
On February 09 2013 10:00 Evil_Sheep wrote:
If there's one thing we've learned from EGTL, it is that as soon as it looks like they have turned a corner, they proceed to immediately fall to pieces again. E.g. in round 2 they had just finished falling to once-bottom ranked Samsung only to take down top-ranked Woongjin Stars in their next match. And then last placed STX Soul smacked them around 4-1 twice in a row in two different formats (all-kill and proleague.)

Now EG has just come off a nightmare week where virtually their entire lineup has been dumped out of the GSL to code B status. HuK, Jaedong, and Revival were KO'd from code A in a 24 hour period to join their teammates JYP, Thorzain and Puma who were unable to fight out of code B. It is quite possible EG has never experienced a lower point. Only Stephano's GSL status is assured.

The main takeaway here is that EGTL simply are not very good, contrary to expectations. Most of their roster have earned their code B status and Taeja, arguably their strongest player, isn't playing for them. There is a shocking lack of depth in EGTL's lineup beneath their big 3 of Taeja, HerO, and Stephano, despite having seemingly a million players to call on. EGTL would actually start to be scary if they could send out Taeja, HerO, and Stephano, but so far these 3 have never played together. Instead in Taeja's absence, being forced to choose b/w Puma and Thorzain for the required terran spot is, as HerO meanly and correctly joked, effectively donating a free win every match.

It is at the point where EGTL should consider replacing its slumping code B koreans with foreigners. EGTL have an abysmal 1-6 record when fielding an all-korean roster (identical coincidentally to Puma's record.) With foreigners playing, they have been 6-4.

Meanwhile Proleague just about seems to exist in a universe of its own. Woongjin's Soulkey has been dominating GSL yet is the 6th best player on his team by win%, hovering just above 50. And after his remarkable GSL performances, some are calling Innovation the best terran in the world yet his record is also an undistinguished 13-11.

The last thing worth pointing out is that last week Proleague's two worst players in Puma (0-6) and Flying (0-4) both finally managed to get their first wins. In Proleague, even the worst can always hope.

not that I disagree with what is said here, but it amazes me how these long analysis' (whatever the plural is haha) are done on EGTL but not skt t1 who has as much star talent. &gt;:O
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LOLItsRyann
Profile Joined April 2011
England551 Posts
February 10 2013 03:00 GMT
#43
No Proleague tonight? Where is it
EG<3
XinAn
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
129 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-02-10 06:11:47
February 10 2013 06:10 GMT
#44
On February 10 2013 12:00 LOLItsRyann wrote:
No Proleague tonight? Where is it



Lunar New Years!

Everyone's with their family and eating a ton.

I think I ate enough to roll now x__x;

The inconsistency of this season is amazing xD;
VeronicaGibbs22
Profile Joined February 2013
United States5 Posts
February 11 2013 01:49 GMT
#45
--- Nuked ---
marxgarza
Profile Joined January 2011
United States373 Posts
February 11 2013 04:00 GMT
#46
when will this weeks lineups be posted?
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Eyzo
Profile Joined September 2011
Canada12 Posts
February 11 2013 07:55 GMT
#47
If anything, Proleague is showing us all exactly how volatile sc2 is compared to it's predecessor.
If you can't beat them, I will
hangarninetysix
Profile Joined August 2010
263 Posts
February 11 2013 14:03 GMT
#48
On February 10 2013 03:14 MysterySC wrote:
I really dont like pro league, in a BO1 literally anyone can win... It hardly showcases skill compared to GSL or any other at least BO3 matches


Sounds like you have a problem with team leagues in general.
Djaberdjasti
Profile Joined February 2013
Netherlands5 Posts
February 11 2013 14:24 GMT
#49
I can't believe how addicted I got 2 SPL...
Live is a game play more
hangarninetysix
Profile Joined August 2010
263 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-02-13 21:47:49
February 13 2013 21:47 GMT
#50
On February 11 2013 23:24 Djaberdjasti wrote:
I can't believe how addicted I got 2 SPL...


Same. I'm going through withdrawals. When are the lineups for this weekend going to be released!? It'll satisfy the urges just a little.
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