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[GSL] Up/Down Matches: Group B (2013 S1)

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[GSL] Up/Down Matches: Group B (2013 S1)

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January 7th, 2013 02:23 GMT

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Up/Down Group B Preview


GSL Up/Down Matches brackets and results at Liquipedia

Up/Down: Group B Preview

by: Waxangel


(T)6. MVP.Dream

Dream caught our eye last year when he broke through MLG's online qualifiers, earnings tickets to America while Code S regulars could not. Dream played surprisingly well in his stateside tournaments, defeating players like Symbol, viOLet, and Losira, but didn't really get the exposure or top-two finishes to be remembered by the general international audience (he was a fringe Code A player in 2011, but wasn't particularly memorable there either). It was hard to know what to make of his American success, as he didn't get anything done back at home in the GSL, and seemed to be benched behind at least eight other MVP players in the GSTL.

The previous season of Code A was the first time Dream really made an impact, as he miraculously defeated Rain in the first round. Rain had already been knocked off his perch a little at the time after losing to Bomber at MLG Dallas, but no one expected him to lose 0 - 2 to a player who hadn't won a GomTV game in over a year. In an anti-climax, Dream lost his next series to BBoongBBoong 1 - 2, confusing everyone about his skill level once more.

Dream has never been in Code S, and he doesn't appear to really rise to the occasion in big matches. He did win one series against Rain where he looked really good, and his online qualifier records suggests he can be very good at times. Maybe he's just a player who's suffering horribly from nerves? Who knows, there's not much data to go by. Safe bet is six, but pencil him in as a potential spoiler.

(P)5. ST_Squirtle
2013 Code S players

'12 Season 5 Top Eight (8)
(P)Creator, (Z)HyuN, (T)Bogus, (Z)Soulkey, (T)MarineKing, (T)Ryung, (Z)Leenock
(Z)Sniper

Qualified through Code A (11)
(T)Noblesse, (P)PartinG, (Z)BBoongBBoong (T)Hack, (T)BaBy, (T)Mvp, (Z)Life
(Z)Curious, (Z)RorO, (T)KeeN, (T)GuMiho
(T)Polt (forfeited)

Code S Seed (1)
(Z)Stephano

Up/Down winners (2/10)
(P)MC, (T)YoDa

10 Spots Remaining
Up/Down winners (8), Up/Down wild cards (2)


If he evolved to Wartortle after making back to back finals at IPL4 and Code S Season Two, Squirtle is back to being plain old Squirtle to start 2013. At least he doesn't have Nestea publicly calling him out on having lost his passion to play like 2012's other momentary Protoss star in Seed, and to Squirtle's credit, he didn't crash nearly as hard as his LG-IM counterpart. But despite staying somewhat afloat, he's fallen a long way from being a championship candidate, and he might not even be a Code S lock at this rate. He was almost lucky to draw the notoriously broadcast-nervous Miya in the first round of the previous Code A, when he looked weak enough to fall to Code A if he faced a tough opponent.

While we really thought Squirtle was a great player for much of 2012, and think that he's more than capable of getting back to that spot, we're not ready to say that it's going to happen already. Also, he was eliminated from IPL5 by a foreigner in XiguA, which is an automatic one win-prediction ban.


(P)4. STX_Trap

While the star players from the BW days still get disproportionate hype, the rank and file of KeSPA are generally being treated the same as eSF players by now. Trap managed to ride the last wave of overarching KeSPA hype, winning two Code A rounds against Oz and SuperNoVa back in October. He then went on to the Season 5 Up/Down matches where he was eliminated alongside Flash, Terminator, and Mini, a turning point in squashing unrealistic expectations from KeSPA pros.

Trap looked to be a surefire Code A but not quite Code S player back then, and we're not sure if much has changed since then. He's lost to all his PL opponents who are recognized as KeSPA top tier in Rain, Fantasy, and soO, but he's looked comfortable defeating Speed, Flying, and Shine (the still employed one, not the one in this group), as well as FXOasd in Code A. That's just about the kind of achievements we expect from an Up/Down player, with nothing to suggest he is a particularly strong candidate out of the bunch. Luckily for Trap, there are no SKT players in this group, so perhaps he will be able to cause some noise.


(T)3.LG-IM_Happy

Big stars, rising prospects, and players with unique styles are naturally going to get a lot of attention, and thus overshadow some of their equally skilled, but not quite as interesting peers. The LG-IM Terrans YoDa and Happy are not the prettiest girls at the dance, but they sure have moves, or whatever would make this taxed analogy work. Yesterday, YoDa stole the show in a group of stars, reminding everyone that he actually fought his way to a handful of Code S spots in the past, unlike groupmates Flash and Jaedong.

Happy is in largely the same boat, having made four of five Code S seasons last year but somehow still fading into the background in this group. There might actually be something especially attention deflecting innate to Happy. Back when Rain was at the height of his hype, Happy actually defeated him first, before Mvp scored his famous victory on a bigger stage, not that anyone noticed. In any case, he's a good, highly underrated player, who I'll definitely regret putting in at #3 instead of #2.


(Z)2. Shine

Despite being obscured by Polt, then Symbol, and then HyuN, Shine has actually been doing fairly well for himself in murky zone between Code A and Code S. This is the third Up/Down group he's qualified for in a row, and each time he was only denied Code S due to tie-breaker rules (exactly like Flash, coincidentally). The quality of his games don't exactly scream "DEFINITELY CODE S," especially his ZvP, but his ZvT has been quite reliable with wins against Byun, Last, aLive, and Maru. Now, this being a three-Terran group, you can start to see the case for Shine to finally get his break. The fact that one of his opponents is TaeJa, with failure to win the Whirlwind Map lottery at that, puts a little damper on it, but the Liquid Ace is still a far better opponent for Shine than an equivalent Protoss player.

As with any teamless player, it has to be mentioned that Shine will be playing for a job, auditioning to all of the world. To our count, there's over a dozen Korean free agents out on the market, and Shine would quite frankly rate in the lower half right now in terms of combined skill + marketability (though admittedly, he's appealing to the hipster sensibilities of some TL writers). Even with a Code S spot he might have a hard time finding a suitor, especially considering that Symbol and HyuN are also up for grabs, so he really needs to get through this group if only to stay on par with his competition.


(T)1. Liquid`TaeJa

Once a player gains a reputation for being good in SC2, it takes quite a while for that to go away, and the Summer of TaeJa hasn't faded from people's memories even as the temperature has dropped a few dozen degrees. But TaeJa's stock has definitely fallen, and he's gone from being a lock to get through any Up/Down group to a player Liquid fans have legitimate reason to worry about.

Up until his loss to ST_Life in Code S Season Four, you could say TaeJa was one of the top Terrans in the world. But after he lost to the eventual Code S champ, he's had a hard time proving he belongs in that true upper crust. Sure, he beat a good array of top Europeans at DreamHack Winter, and been EG-TL's best Proleague player. But against top end competition, he's had a very hard time. TaeJa's lost to Life and Rain at MLG, Creator and Sniper at IPL, ace-class KeSPA players in Rain, Flash, and Hero[join] in PL, and also went 0 - 7 against HerO at DreamHack and NASL.

Okay, so perhaps TaeJa doesn't look as good anymore when faced with the very best players in the world. But if he can slaughter mid-tier citizens of the Proleague and make short work of the best Europe has to offer, surely he can top his Up/Down Group?

Part of the answer depends on how highly you rate foreigners and the KeSPA rank and file. We're inclined to say that while they might not be as good as the borderline Code S players that populate the Up/Downs, the fact that TaeJa has been crushing them (totally destroying players worse than him has been TaeJa's signature quality far before he started winning championships) suggests he's still mostly the same old guy. So the easy answer here is yes, you can still count on TaeJa to go through, but there's plenty of plausible and more entertaining scenarios that could happen as well.



Writers: Waxangel.
Graphics: Meko, hawaiianpig
Editor: Waxangel.
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Wivyx
Profile Joined May 2009
Norway624 Posts
January 07 2013 02:29 GMT
#2
That looks like a pretty reasonable ranking to me. Expecting Taeja and Shine to pull through.

Though I'd love to see good ol' Wartortle step it up
althaz
Profile Joined May 2010
Australia1001 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-01-07 02:36:21
January 07 2013 02:34 GMT
#3
No review of the Group A matches? .

P.S. Go Taeja!
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Waxangel
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
United States33465 Posts
January 07 2013 02:39 GMT
#4
afaik the record of unemployed players in 'auditioning for job' games is actually not that good, so I have no idea why I picked Shine
AdministratorHey HP can you redo everything youve ever done because i have a small complaint?
ZigguratOfUr
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Iraq16955 Posts
January 07 2013 02:39 GMT
#5
No obligatory joke about how Yonghwa eyes were cursed by Fionn? .

P.S Dream is underrated!
nickzilla
Profile Joined December 2012
Canada3 Posts
January 07 2013 02:39 GMT
#6
TaeJa gonna be on top
stuchiu
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Fiddler's Green42661 Posts
January 07 2013 02:41 GMT
#7
On January 07 2013 11:39 BrokenMirage wrote:
No obligatory joke about how Yonghwa eyes were cursed by Fionn? .

P.S Dream is underrated!


He already has the Artosis curse on his shoulders. Can a player be double cursed?
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Emzeeshady
Profile Blog Joined January 2012
Canada4203 Posts
January 07 2013 02:41 GMT
#8
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kochanfe
Profile Joined July 2011
Micronesia1338 Posts
January 07 2013 02:43 GMT
#9
4-1 Dream
3-2 TaeJa
2-3 Shine
2-3 Happy
2-3 Trap
2-3 Squirtle
Called it!
"The flame that burns twice as bright burns half as long." - Lao Tzu
Emzeeshady
Profile Blog Joined January 2012
Canada4203 Posts
January 07 2013 02:44 GMT
#10
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PhoenixVoid
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
Canada32742 Posts
January 07 2013 02:49 GMT
#11
Please Shine, at least one season in Code S, you cannot stay as the Code A/UnD Gatekeeper forever.
I'm afraid of demented knife-wielding escaped lunatic libertarian zombie mutants
HeadlessWonder
Profile Joined January 2013
United States1096 Posts
January 07 2013 03:04 GMT
#12
I like the rankings. I hope TaeJa can make it through
CIS Doto
ATiBright
Profile Joined August 2011
59 Posts
January 07 2013 03:19 GMT
#13
I honestly think Squirtle is being underrated heavily especially with his recent team league performances. Coulda swore he recently 3-0'd FXO including Leenock and Gumiho. I expect TL predictions to be wrong as usual and Squirtle to take 1st or 2nd. Squirtle and Taeja are my picks.
Proseat
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
Germany5113 Posts
January 07 2013 03:49 GMT
#14
Just by looking at the players' records, you'd pick Squirtle, TaeJa, and Happy as the top three. But I guess we'll see. As long as TaeJa goes back to Code S where he belongs I will be happy.
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eqinf
Profile Joined May 2011
Germany100 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-01-07 04:02:03
January 07 2013 04:01 GMT
#15
i call happy #1

followed by taeja

and somehow squirtle totaly underrated Oo
mvp for bonjwa
wklbishop
Profile Joined July 2011
United States1286 Posts
January 07 2013 04:04 GMT
#16
On January 07 2013 11:44 Emzeeshady wrote:
Also, about the Whirlwind lottery thing. I have never actually seen a Zerg win on it. I watched JD lose this morning and DRG lose on many different occasions. It seems drops are very hard to deal with.


Obligatory pointing to TvZ stats of 23-32 (42%) in Korea according to TLPD.

However, if we were going by feeling alone then you're right. Maybe it's because terran wins tend to be far more epic (Ryung vs DRG from GSL season 3 comes to mind) and memorable than zerg wins on Whirlwind. I mean... I know Life dominated MKP and Taeja on that map but it slips my mind easily.
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Emzeeshady
Profile Blog Joined January 2012
Canada4203 Posts
January 07 2013 04:07 GMT
#17
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sparklyresidue
Profile Joined August 2011
United States5523 Posts
January 07 2013 04:21 GMT
#18
This is one of the groups I'm least excited about, I hope the games are decent.
Like Tinkerbelle, I leave behind a sparkly residue.
paddyz
Profile Joined May 2011
Ireland628 Posts
January 07 2013 04:22 GMT
#19
No review of group A?. I wanted to see an excuse for putting Yonghwa at 1 now that he went 0-5.

Really though I wanted to be reminded of how my favorite player (MC) took down the titans JD and Flash to get back into code S.
EnumaAvalon
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
Philippines3613 Posts
January 07 2013 04:25 GMT
#20
Thanks for the write up. Do we have a recap of Group A?
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yuliuswin1
Profile Joined September 2012
Indonesia36 Posts
January 07 2013 04:25 GMT
#21
IM fightttttingggg yeah...
so happy , almost all up n down matches has IM player fighting...
have fun
ZigguratOfUr
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Iraq16955 Posts
January 07 2013 04:31 GMT
#22
On January 07 2013 13:22 paddyz wrote:
No review of group A?. I wanted to see an excuse for putting Yonghwa at 1 now that he went 0-5.

Really though I wanted to be reminded of how my favorite player (MC) took down the titans JD and Flash to get back into code S.


Well, according to MC (who often trains at IM house) Yonghwa's eyes are sick, so that might explain his bad performance.
LockeTazeline
Profile Blog Joined June 2012
2390 Posts
January 07 2013 05:03 GMT
#23
Taeja, then Squirtle. Shine goes to wildcard group.
NAMeCHa
Profile Joined March 2011
36 Posts
January 07 2013 06:06 GMT
#24
I don't think Squirtle is getting enough credit here, he clutched in Korea vs World and ST vs FXO in IPTL, (Stephano, Gumiho, Lucky, Choya, Leenock). Still high quality player here
X3GoldDot
Profile Joined August 2011
Malaysia3840 Posts
January 07 2013 06:38 GMT
#25
squirtle/taeja , trust me on this 1, i got yoda correct yesterday, and my pick for 2nd place got 3rd in the end so it wasnt far off
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Sumahi
Profile Blog Joined January 2012
Guam5609 Posts
January 07 2013 06:52 GMT
#26
Please Squirtle you must win this! You and Ace must be the Protoss line for Startale!
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FuzzyJAM
Profile Joined July 2010
Scotland9300 Posts
January 07 2013 07:33 GMT
#27
Squirtle worse than Trap?

Pfft.
Did you ever say Yes to a single joy?
dj_holgie
Profile Joined April 2012
Germany12 Posts
January 07 2013 07:52 GMT
#28
Squitle on 5th place and happy on 3rd place? I completly disagree and feel the predications are as wrong as yesterday. I dont like this champion bashing, SC2 is a game where you constantly cant win every game sometimes youre just out of luck because the smallest things makes the difference but youre still a goddamn champion player. Same like DRG he was never down if you ask me.
Pain is temporary glory lasts forever
DidYuhim
Profile Joined September 2011
Ukraine1905 Posts
January 07 2013 08:39 GMT
#29
Group has one Zerg and you place Squirtle fifth based on his PvZ? Continuing this logic, you might as well drop TaeJa to 6th place, well, he lost to Bong!
Koerage
Profile Joined April 2012
Netherlands1220 Posts
January 07 2013 09:12 GMT
#30
it's only someone's prediction/opinion and those differ, stop making a big deal out of it. im expecting squirtle to do better than wax but that doesnt mean im gonna go "omgusobad predicting".
my call: Taeja/squirtle 1/2, shine 3rd. Happy&dream to play for 5th/6th (happy played the worst 11/11 rax ever, untill he shows good play im gonna remember that) and mini to go 4th
KaiserKieran
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States615 Posts
January 07 2013 09:24 GMT
#31
Squirtle 3
Happy 2
Taeja 1
Ez pz
oneill12
Profile Joined February 2012
Romania1222 Posts
January 07 2013 10:58 GMT
#32
GO TAEJA!
FuzzyJAM
Profile Joined July 2010
Scotland9300 Posts
January 07 2013 11:21 GMT
#33
On January 07 2013 16:33 FuzzyJAM wrote:
Squirtle worse than Trap?

Pfft.

HOW SILLY DO YOU FEEL RIGHT NOW?!
Did you ever say Yes to a single joy?
terfand
Profile Joined June 2012
Russian Federation119 Posts
January 07 2013 11:49 GMT
#34
and Shine (the still employed one, not the one in this group)
not sure if it's true, if I recall it right, Shine has retired.
Fizzy
Profile Joined March 2012
Sweden388 Posts
January 07 2013 12:09 GMT
#35
Poor Waxangel, two wrong predictions in a row :p
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NovemberstOrm
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
Canada16217 Posts
January 07 2013 12:30 GMT
#36
On January 07 2013 13:22 paddyz wrote:
No review of group A?. I wanted to see an excuse for putting Yonghwa at 1 now that he went 0-5.

Really though I wanted to be reminded of how my favorite player (MC) took down the titans JD and Flash to get back into code S.


There is no excuse Yonghwa just under-performed unfortunately, sometimes players just over-perform then what they are expected to play like or under-perform.
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Mozzery
Profile Joined January 2012
United States140 Posts
January 07 2013 13:28 GMT
#37
On January 07 2013 20:21 FuzzyJAM wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 07 2013 16:33 FuzzyJAM wrote:
Squirtle worse than Trap?

Pfft.

HOW SILLY DO YOU FEEL RIGHT NOW?!


What's this all about... Squirtle advanced and Trap didn't...
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Hall0wed
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States8486 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-01-07 13:35:07
January 07 2013 13:34 GMT
#38
lmao I just read this for the first time, Squirtle at #5? -_-; He was a painfully obvious lock for this easy group since he has been practicing more these days instead of spending all that time with his girl.

tsktsk

lol didn't even realize you put Trap ahead of him too, wtf man. =/
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mRpolite
Profile Joined March 2012
189 Posts
January 07 2013 13:35 GMT
#39
lol for doubting squirtle so much
LiLSighKoh
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States588 Posts
January 07 2013 15:55 GMT
#40
On January 07 2013 14:03 LockeTazeline wrote:
Taeja, then Squirtle. Shine goes to wildcard group.

Right on the dot.
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Serelitz
Profile Joined April 2011
Netherlands2895 Posts
January 07 2013 16:13 GMT
#41
On January 07 2013 11:41 stuchiu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 07 2013 11:39 BrokenMirage wrote:
No obligatory joke about how Yonghwa eyes were cursed by Fionn? .

P.S Dream is underrated!


He already has the Artosis curse on his shoulders. Can a player be double cursed?



EG.Yonghwa
FuzzyJAM
Profile Joined July 2010
Scotland9300 Posts
January 07 2013 17:36 GMT
#42
On January 07 2013 22:28 Mozzery wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 07 2013 20:21 FuzzyJAM wrote:
On January 07 2013 16:33 FuzzyJAM wrote:
Squirtle worse than Trap?

Pfft.

HOW SILLY DO YOU FEEL RIGHT NOW?!


What's this all about... Squirtle advanced and Trap didn't...

I was quoting myself making fun of Wax.

It was after Squirtle completely dominated a game.
Did you ever say Yes to a single joy?
Laurens
Profile Joined September 2010
Belgium4550 Posts
January 07 2013 17:50 GMT
#43
To be fair I didn't expect Squirtle to do this well either
VKCA
Profile Joined September 2011
Canada391 Posts
January 07 2013 17:55 GMT
#44
well I was going to make a post about how you'd have to be crazy not to put this as taeja/squirtle first/second... then I realized that the actual results were already out...
surprise surprise, a gsl semi-finalist and finalist dominate a group of no-names (well I guess happy is a semi-finalist too, but that was quite some time ago)
ConGee
Profile Joined May 2012
318 Posts
January 07 2013 18:50 GMT
#45
On January 08 2013 01:13 Serelitz wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 07 2013 11:41 stuchiu wrote:
On January 07 2013 11:39 BrokenMirage wrote:
No obligatory joke about how Yonghwa eyes were cursed by Fionn? .

P.S Dream is underrated!


He already has the Artosis curse on his shoulders. Can a player be double cursed?



EG.Yonghwa


That implies he's won something significant first.
Jampackedeon
Profile Joined November 2010
United States2053 Posts
January 07 2013 19:11 GMT
#46
No one in this group looked even close to Teaja's level, just as I would have predicted if I had been able to post prior to watching the VODs. Also, I think the TL writers were really underselling Squirtle here, especially since this very write up questioned his Code S caliber while Squirtle certainly has a much better historical claim to both the skill and the mind set to make Code S.
VKCA
Profile Joined September 2011
Canada391 Posts
January 07 2013 20:20 GMT
#47
On January 08 2013 04:11 Jampackedeon wrote: Also, I think the TL writers were really underselling Squirtle here, especially since this very write up questioned his Code S caliber while Squirtle certainly has a much better historical claim to both the skill and the mind set to make Code S.

"HE'S NOT WINNING EVER TOURNAMENT HE'S ENTERING, MUST BE SLUMPING!!!"

seriously.. tl writers always talk about how the community has such a short memory about players achievements and how viewers are always bashing players for not winning anything recently. Yet all the articles published on this site do the exact same thing. And they wonder where the attitude comes from...

squirtle's been gosu as shit for so long. He took third at the iem wc and fifth at nasl s1 way back in early 2011, happened to not have many results because he didn't go to any foreign tournaments (although he was still wrecking faces in team leagues), then the next foreign tournament that he went to, ipl4, he takes second at. It's not like he's gotten significantly worse since then or anything.
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