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October 12th, 2012 20:40 GMT

Table of Contents



Meet the Koreans
Mini-Preview


Unofficial
Power Rank

Outsourced to China.


Players, brackets, and schedules on Liquipedia



Meet the Koreans


by Fionn and Waxangel.

We'll be honest with you here. This tournament is probably going to end up with six Koreans playing PvP for six hours to decide how they split the money. If that's the sort of thing that interests you, then great! If not, then we don't blame you if you're a little disinterested in this continental final compared to the others. However, there could still be some interesting happenings yet, with the three Korean Zergs having a decent chance at crashing the Protoss Party. And who knows, PvP being what it is, a Chinese player might be able to sneak his way to the world finals.

While we're being honest, we have to say we don't really know much about Chinese StarCraft. Since we've done it for more than ten years, we decided to stick to what we do best: write lots of words about Korean professional gamers.



Wild Cards


kr (Z)SlayerS_Miya

Many of you may be wondering "Who the f*** is Miya?"

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Simply put, Miya is a 'practice bonjwa.' Back when MMA still looked like MMA, he would heap praise on Miya for being an amazing player, and mention how he could never beat him in practice. SlayerS management seemed to agree with him, giving him constant opportunities to play in team leagues. Anyway, if ten-plus years of Brood War tells us anything, it's that the track record for practice bonjwas isn't so great. Whatever barrier exists between turning results in practice to results before a live audience, it's high enough that it's prevented more than few talented players from spreading their wings.

In Miya's case, we'll say the jury is still out, though time may be running out on him. While he's only qualified for one Code A in his career (he was eliminated quickly in the first round), he somehow found a way to make it into WCS Korea, barely squeezing in at 10th place. His WCS Korea journey was fascinating to watch, as he went from 'kinda bad' to 'tolerably good' in the span of a few weeks as he got more experience in the booth. When we left off, he had barely defeated Polt 2 – 1 to win a trip to WCS Asia, and we haven't seen him play since.

WCS Asia will be an entirely new environment for Miya again, and we're not that optimistic about his ability to adapt on the fly. But even so, if SlayerS had faith in him for several months, then we can put a little bit of faith in him for a few days. If Miya can build on the experience he got at WCS Korea, then maybe he'll perform well enough in Shanghai to earn a ticket to the world finals.


kr (P)CJ_herO

CJ's Hero was one of the earliest KeSPA elephants to break out onto the scene, using WCS Korea – the first major clash between KeSPA and non-KeSPA players – to springboard himself into relevance. While many of the non-KeSPA players at WCS Korea played poorer than usual due to the pressure of defending their reputation as forerunners, you can't deny that herO had a pretty impressive tournament. He defeated YuGiOh, TAiLS, and Puzzle, suggesting he was most definitely a Code A level player, and a borderline Code S player as well. HerO then re-affirmed his credentials during the Proleague playoffs, going on a clutch four-win streak to help his team to the finals and secure a victory there.

However, those games are some weeks behind us, and herO failed to qualified to for either the OSL or GSL in the meanwhile. HerO was great when we last left off, and surely he has gotten better as all KeSPA players have gotten better with time, but without seeing his play, it's hard to say how much. It's worth noting that PvP seemed to be his best match-up when we did see him play – though you must keep in mind that small sample PvP results can be misleading at times.



Contenders if not for that one, tiny, little thing


kr (P)Liquid`HerO

Alas, Poor HerO. If this were a tournament with reasonable racial balance, we'd say he was one of the contenders to win it all. However, the best players in this tournament all happen to be Protoss, HerO's perennial bane. Protoss vs. Protoss is famous as a coin-flip, and not undeservedly so. However, over a long enough time, and over a large enough number of games, you can get a feel for the players who have a knack for the match-up and those who seem to be lost, and HerO has fallen into the latter category for most of his career.

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Presumably HerO's reaction after seeing Creator and Seed in his side of the bracket.

It's not that HerO can't play excellent PvP games occasionally, as showcased in his recent dismantling of Squirtle in the GSL. The thing is that there's really no consistency to his PvP performances, and whether you want to call that luck, skill, or whatever else, it doesn't really matter. The point is that HerO has had his tournament dreams crushed by PvP multiple times in the past, and there's no reason to believe this tournament won't be more of the same. It doesn't seem like HerO has much of a chance at winning it all, but he can at least look to earn a trip to the WCS world finals where he might have a better chance of avoiding the mirror match-up.


kr (Z)ST_Curious

Curious is the picture perfect textbook Zerg. He hive-rushes with brutal efficiency, being neither too hasty nor lingering at lair for too long. His brood lords are never unguarded, he's diligent about planting gardens of spore and spine colonies, and he always has a new expansion popping up somewhere while a different one goes down. On top of that, he mixes in all-in rushes ever-so-often enough that he doesn't become predictable, probably at a win-rate optimizing ratio he derived through a complex mathematical model.

Curious' problem isn't his game, it's his mind. He can beat famous players like MarineKing and MC with ease - just as long as it's before the Code S Ro16. Since time immemorial he's been stuck there, never making any progress. He crushes Code A, Up/Downs, and the Code S Ro32 like a championship contender, and proceeds to fall apart once he reaches the Ro16 group stage. It's no surprise that his nickname in the Korean community is "the Code S detector," as he effectively serves as gatekeeper in the first round of Code S.

So you can see why we're tentative about his chances to make top six and reach the WCS World Finals. Though not all of his games will be on stage, Shanghai will be the biggest, most watched, most pressure-packed environment he's ever played in. If he can't make it in the second round of Code S, then how well could he fare in China?


Limbo/Purgatory


kr (P)ST_PartinG

Parting enjoyed a nice run as the talented and insolent kid of StarCraft II. Sadly for him, Life recently came up and trumped him in both departments, showing that he's a better player, and that he's even more cocky - if that was even possible. While both players talked up their chances of beating Mvp at one point, Life was the one who dared to say the 4-time champ was 'not good' at macro games, and predicted a 4 - 1 victory for himself. While Life will surely run away with the L'Enfant Terrible ball if he should beat Mvp at the Code S finals next week, at least PartinG can keep himself in the picture with a good performance at WCS Asia this weekend (no, we don't mean a highly unadvised ceremony to invoke the wrath of the Chinese audience).

Like HerO, PartinG comes into this tournament with a glaring match-up hole in his PvZ, but it's far more easily covered for in this case. There's precious few good ZvP players in the competition, and if he does have to play PvZ, PartinG has a wonderful ace in the hole in his mastery of the immortal-sentry all-in, a build you could say he helped perfect. While PvP is certainly volatile, PartinG proved that he's at least middle of the pack, and he even took 3rd place at the WCS Korea tournament on the back of particularly good run. And of course, we don't need to say anything about his PvT, though it would be worth a laugh to see him face any of the Terrans at this tournament.


kr (P)ST_Squirtle

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What the ****, Squirtle.

The IeSF 2012 World Championships were made so you could finally win something. There may have been no tournament in the history of competitive StarCraft that was so perfectly gift-wrapped for one player to take. On the outside looking in, with his almost unbeatable PvP, Squirtle's only tough test was Sen, a player famous for getting third in every tournament he goes to. In a major upset, Squirtle first dropped a game to Zanubis from Israel in the Ro16, and then got eliminated in the quarterfinals by eventual winner (P)monchi.

MarineKing's silvers in GSL outweigh Squirtle's, but at least MKP has won some major foreign tournaments. With the massive amount of PvP's we'll see this weekend, interspersed with Koreans stomping other East Asians, Squirtle is quite possibly the biggest story of this tournament along with Rain. A championship at WCS Asia might not be a GSL or IPL, but it will still be a major tournament and finally get the monkey off his back after so many close second place finishes.


The Contenders


kr (P)LG-IM_Seed

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The previous GSL champion will have plenty to prove at WCS Asia. Seed's Code S championship came from a series of performances that were as brilliant as they were unexpected, but he will have to keep putting up such performances consistently to show that he was not a one-off like NSH's jjakji. He took a blow by dropping out of the Code S Ro16 this season, and then had much of the spotlight taken away from him by Rain's scorching run where he briefly threatened to win both the GSL and OSL. Winning the title of "Champion of Asia" would go a long way towards re-establishing Seed as the best Protoss in Korea.

Honestly, Seed is as strong as he ever was. He was in a very hard group in the GSL, and he happened to lose two series to the two best Zerg players in Korea: Symbol and Life (he lost 1 - 2 both times). It would have been enough to keep his position, if not for the fact that Rain's run was just so ridiculously out of the ordinary. Seed still looks like one of the best all-around Protoss players in the world with no bad match-ups, and Curious and Roro are the only Zerg or Terran players in Shanghai who even stand a chance of beating him. Seed is an incredible PvP player as well, having won his Code S title by defeating MC 4 - 1 in a series where he out-thought his opponent severely. With a 9 - 5 PvP record since June, he's one of the few players who could beat the coin-flip and win with skill.

Last, but definitely not least, Seed is the most proven player in pressure situations in front of huge audiences. He's won multiple series where he was trailing, and he's the only player among the Koreans to win in front of a large, live audience. And if the crowd in Shanghai should be less than impartial, that's okay, too - Seed beat TaeJa and HerO in front of a Liquid favoring audience to win IPL TAC3 for LG-IM.


kr (Z)Samsung_RorO

Rain's colossal figure hasn't just been overshadowing other Protoss players, it's been taking the luster off some of his KeSPA compadres as well. Before there was Rain's dual run through the OSL/GSL, there was RorO's run through WCS Korea. There, he beat a cross section of the GSL in Hack, Leenock, Miya, and Seed, and only barely lost to Squirtle and Creator to be eliminated from the tournament. A lack of tournaments to compete in forced RorO to go on a brief hiatus (god knows what would have happened if GSL had awarded their second Code S seed to RorO and not Jaedong), but he recently came back looking stronger than ever by crushing Ryung 2 - 0 in Code A. There's no question that RorO has some serious skills, and now it's time for him to grab some trophies.

RorO should be the player you're rooting for to break the Protoss hegemony in Shanghai, and he has just the right skillset to do so. While he's showed great all around play in every match-up, ZvP is where he's shined the brightest. Whether it's swarming his opponents with multi-directional attacks at lair, or executing some of the most infuriating turtle-hive play anyone has ever seen, RorO has what it takes to beat any of the Korean Protosses. What's scariest is that it was two months ago when he beat Seed and barely lost to Squirtle and Creator, and he might even be better now.


kr (P)CreatorPrime

You know how Life is destroying everyone in Code S and in the finals? The last person to really stop Life was Creator, the current WCS Korea champion, and the current holder of the title of best player in the world who is not in Code S. With his win over Life during TSL4, it seems like the timing of the final was a little off. At the time it was played, both players were reasonably known, but still hadn't reached their highest potential. Now Life is the talk of the town, Creator is hailed as the next Protoss great, and the two are leading the charge of the future.

For Creator, this tournament means less for him than his Korean counterparts. His spot in the World Championship is already booked, and he can go into this tournament knowing that nothing too bad can happen. With the weight off his shoulders, he should be able to play relaxed and up to the high level we've seen from him in the past three months. Creator along with Life are truly the next generation of stars in Starcraft 2, and another big title victory would give Creator some bragging rights over his fifteen-year-old rival before Life steps up to the plate to face Mvp next week.


kr (P)SKTelecom_By.Rain

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Getting to the OSL finals after falling down 0-3 and coming back with four straight victories was the high of Rain's Starcraft career, but he followed it up with a gut punching loss to Mvp in the semifinals the next night, losing in a 2-3 series behind a train of Mvp SCV's. Still, with another final on the horizon that he can capture, he still has the chance of having some sort of dual championship if he can take the Asian championship of WCS.

Unfortunately for the new KeSPA superstar, he will more than likely need to win the title through the volatile PvP, a match-up that he isn't entirely confident in. Yes, he beat HerO 3 - 0 in the GSL, but that's almost a rite of passage for elite Protoss players in GSL. With how well he has played against top end Terrans and Zergs, you would have to make him the favorite of the tournament if the field didn't lack so much depth when it came to anything that wasn't Protoss.

Rain's train of hype might have been derailed a bit by the greatest player in SC2 history, but if he can secure a title in Shanghai and head to the World Championship with the Asian crown, the train will be back on track. He proved his PvZ in WCS Korea, his PvT in Code S S4, and now he will need to excel in PvP in the Asian championships.

Writers: Fionn and Waxangel.
Graphics: HawaiianPig and shiroiusagi.
Front page image: Lip the Pencilboy (Pony Tales).
Editor: Waxangel.
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Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Australia54784 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-10-12 21:22:22
October 12 2012 20:45 GMT
#2
come on creator!!!

Poll: Favorite to Win WCS Asia?

Rain (417)
 
27%

HerO (276)
 
18%

Creator (270)
 
17%

Seed (143)
 
9%

Squirtle (131)
 
8%

Sen (79)
 
5%

RorO (68)
 
4%

PartinG (64)
 
4%

Curious (33)
 
2%

Toodming (26)
 
2%

Jim (23)
 
1%

Comm (19)
 
1%

1549 total votes

Your vote: Favorite to Win WCS Asia?

(Vote): Creator
(Vote): Seed
(Vote): PartinG
(Vote): Squirtle
(Vote): Rain
(Vote): HerO
(Vote): RorO
(Vote): Curious
(Vote): Sen
(Vote): Comm
(Vote): Toodming
(Vote): Jim

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Gatesleeper
Profile Joined June 2012
Canada300 Posts
October 12 2012 20:45 GMT
#3
hey its monchi
Indrium
Profile Joined November 2010
United States2236 Posts
October 12 2012 20:50 GMT
#4
ST fighting! I'm hoping that Curious has a big break here
KadaverBB
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Germany25657 Posts
October 12 2012 20:50 GMT
#5
Was waiting for this preview
gogo HerO <3
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Gatesleeper
Profile Joined June 2012
Canada300 Posts
October 12 2012 20:50 GMT
#6
Yes, he beat HerO 3 - 0 in the GSL, but that's almost a rite of passage for elite Protoss players in GSL.

cold, man.
hhS
Profile Joined March 2012
Chile33 Posts
October 12 2012 20:50 GMT
#7
many terran, so I will not see
Sumahi
Profile Blog Joined January 2012
Guam5609 Posts
October 12 2012 20:53 GMT
#8
Go Squirtle Parting or Curious!!!! I'm trying my best to be excited about this, but the prospect of so much PvP is eroding my soul.
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DOUDOU
Profile Joined October 2011
Wales2940 Posts
October 12 2012 20:54 GMT
#9
wake me up when there's only korean's left
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R3DT1D3
Profile Joined January 2012
285 Posts
October 12 2012 20:57 GMT
#10
No sad marine? What a disappointment.
isaachukfan
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
Canada785 Posts
October 12 2012 20:59 GMT
#11
Creator hwaitting!!!!! The wunderkind to take it all!!!
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Fuell
Profile Joined February 2011
Netherlands3111 Posts
October 12 2012 20:59 GMT
#12
PartinG! gogogo~
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oneill12
Profile Joined February 2012
Romania1222 Posts
October 12 2012 21:01 GMT
#13
GO HERO!!!
andaylin
Profile Joined August 2010
United States10830 Posts
October 12 2012 21:02 GMT
#14
Theres no Terrans in this WCS cause of the TvZ queen buff in Korea when qualifiers were going on right?
"Hard work beats talent when talent fails to work hard." - Kevin Durant
markrevival
Profile Joined January 2012
United States222 Posts
October 12 2012 21:04 GMT
#15
On October 13 2012 05:50 hhS wrote:
many terran, so I will not see
sarcasm? there are 4 terran out of 32 participants. too many PROTOSS!

that being said, Creator FIGHTING! Do it again, Creator. Show them how its done
red4ce
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States7313 Posts
October 12 2012 21:05 GMT
#16
I only care about one thing in this tournament, watching a match between Hero and herO. The casters would go nuts :D
PardonYou
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States1360 Posts
October 12 2012 21:05 GMT
#17
Thanks for the preview! Looking forward to Hero.
rkshox
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
Taiwan536 Posts
October 12 2012 21:07 GMT
#18
HerOOOOO!!!!!!!!
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Fionn
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States23455 Posts
October 12 2012 21:09 GMT
#19
On October 13 2012 06:02 andaylin wrote:
Theres no Terrans in this WCS cause of the TvZ queen buff in Korea when qualifiers were going on right?


Taeja didn't participate because of MLG.

MKP and MMA both got upset in the qualifiers.

Mvp lost to Polt and then quit for IEM.

Gumiho got trampled by elephants.

Polt beat Mvp and then only needed to win one Bo3 out of three to get in, but then forgot how to play.
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xmungam
Profile Joined July 2012
United States1050 Posts
October 12 2012 21:09 GMT
#20
omg what, with so many pvps and zvzs anyone could advance.... what happens if creator or sun or parting loose r1? wow anything can happen...

i just hope a terran does well, lol that could seriously surprise someone!!!

anyways, a kespa player will most probably / definitely win this. sun / hero / roro? who could beat that...
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Nerfed
Profile Joined May 2010
Russian Federation1132 Posts
October 12 2012 21:17 GMT
#21
I hope by.Sun wins this
tylerf
Profile Joined March 2012
739 Posts
October 12 2012 21:19 GMT
#22
For the love of god Squirtle, win this one!
snively
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States1159 Posts
October 12 2012 21:19 GMT
#23
hey its monchi
My religion is Starcraft
Advantageous
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
China1350 Posts
October 12 2012 21:21 GMT
#24
Great write up! TL HerO and Creator Fighting!
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bsdaemon
Profile Joined July 2012
618 Posts
October 12 2012 21:21 GMT
#25
nice write up, im having a hard time picking who will win but my guts go with seed
FuzzyJAM
Profile Joined July 2010
Scotland9300 Posts
October 12 2012 21:21 GMT
#26
It's so sad how badly WCS has been screwed over by the qualifying tournaments in Korea happening during a time when Terran couldn't win a game. I don't think I'll even bother watching.
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BlueBoxSC
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United States582 Posts
October 12 2012 21:23 GMT
#27
I really wanna see the eSF players stomp this.
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Proseat
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
Germany5113 Posts
October 12 2012 21:24 GMT
#28
Go HerO! Be strong!
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Share_The_Land
Profile Joined November 2011
Canada152 Posts
October 12 2012 21:26 GMT
#29
On October 13 2012 05:50 Gatesleeper wrote:
Show nested quote +
Yes, he beat HerO 3 - 0 in the GSL, but that's almost a rite of passage for elite Protoss players in GSL.

cold, man.


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YourGoodFriend
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States2197 Posts
October 12 2012 21:27 GMT
#30
HerO wins it all and shows everyone that with hard work and micro he can beat the best in PvP. Calling it here and now (and every tourny HerO is in)
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JKM
Profile Joined November 2011
Denmark419 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-10-12 21:43:20
October 12 2012 21:35 GMT
#31
Please stop calling so goddamn many different players pracc bonjwa's and similar bullshit. Koreans like to talk highly of their pracc partners, especially those from their own team. I can accept that maybe 2-4 "pracc bonjwa's" exist out there, but the term has been thrown around ever since SC2 came out. They would have made it further if they truly were that good.

Edit:
"Alas, Poor HerO. If this were a tournament with reasonable racial balance, we'd say he was one of the contenders to win it all"
Also Hero would most certainly not be a championship contender when taking part in a tournament with opponents of this caliber:
- Creator: Winner of TSL4.
- Seed: Winner of GSL3.
- Rain: OSL finalist.
- Squirtle: Runner-up of GSL2 & IPL4.

That is 4 players who has achieved more than Hero in 2012, with Parting's results being on par with Hero's. In a fantasy world where these players did not play protoss, Hero still would not be a true contender.

I think that was all the bile I had. Well-written and interesting article outside of those small issues :-),
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Gorlin
Profile Joined November 2010
United States2753 Posts
October 12 2012 21:36 GMT
#32
Go Seed, HerO, and Curious!
testthewest
Profile Joined October 2011
Germany274 Posts
October 12 2012 21:38 GMT
#33
At first look, i thought: Man, Squirtle has really changed his looks!!
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Snijjer
Profile Joined September 2011
United States989 Posts
October 12 2012 21:43 GMT
#34
Everyone has already met the Koreans...

I wanna meet the Chinese players.
sparklyresidue
Profile Joined August 2011
United States5523 Posts
October 12 2012 21:48 GMT
#35
What a weird mix of players. I'll watch a bit, though mostly cause Tastosis is gonna be casting. I bet enough of the games will unfold skillfully, but not so sure if they'll be that entertaining.
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Sabu113
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States11048 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-10-12 21:52:03
October 12 2012 21:48 GMT
#36
So much Toss. I want hero to do well but >< Parting too. What the hell man. I didn't expect Seed, Squirtle and hell Alicia to outshine you.

edit:
On October 13 2012 06:35 JKM wrote:
Please stop calling so goddamn many different players pracc bonjwa's and similar bullshit. Koreans like to talk highly of their pracc partners, especially those from their own team. I can accept that maybe 2-4 "pracc bonjwa's" exist out there, but the term has been thrown around ever since SC2 came out. They would have made it further if they truly were that good.

Edit:
"Alas, Poor HerO. If this were a tournament with reasonable racial balance, we'd say he was one of the contenders to win it all"
Also Hero would most certainly not be a championship contender when taking part in a tournament with opponents of this caliber:
- Creator: Winner of TSL4.
- Seed: Winner of GSL3.
- Rain: OSL finalist.
- Squirtle: Runner-up of GSL2 & IPL4.

That is 4 players who has achieved more than Hero in 2012, with Parting's results being on par with Hero's. In a fantasy world where these players did not play protoss, Hero still would not be a true contender.

I think that was all the bile I had. Well-written and interesting article outside of those small issues :-),



Well someone had to bring in results. T_T
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AzBozz
Profile Joined April 2011
Germany518 Posts
October 12 2012 22:00 GMT
#37
so sad no terrans TT
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Bupalumpa
Profile Joined October 2012
Venezuela24 Posts
October 12 2012 22:00 GMT
#38
Finals: Seed vs Curious. It shoud be great no matters who wins.
Everything changes when it find a purpose
HaXXspetten
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Sweden15718 Posts
October 12 2012 22:00 GMT
#39
gonna be one of Creator/Squirtle/Rain, maaaybe Seed
Vaalyr
Profile Joined June 2012
Canada16 Posts
October 12 2012 22:02 GMT
#40
Think about how quickly this tournament would have ended 2 years ago, every pvp a 4gate.
DRG is my religion.
speknek
Profile Joined February 2012
758 Posts
October 12 2012 22:06 GMT
#41
too many terrans, ghost nerf incoming
Sassback
Profile Joined September 2012
United States718 Posts
October 12 2012 22:09 GMT
#42
I hope roro and curios can save us from witnessing too many pvps!
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eMGmoG
Profile Joined March 2012
Switzerland244 Posts
October 12 2012 22:18 GMT
#43
wcs grand finals wont be better in terms of terran participation. from a spectator view, weird season 1.
DJHelium
Profile Joined December 2010
Sweden13480 Posts
October 12 2012 22:18 GMT
#44
"...and he's the only player among the Koreans to win in front of a large, live audience"

HerO has done that as well, so not entirely true.

Otherwise cool write up, nice to see some HYPE!
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m0ck
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
4194 Posts
October 12 2012 22:21 GMT
#45
Great preview as always, let the dice roll!
vorxaw
Profile Joined April 2011
Canada245 Posts
October 12 2012 22:24 GMT
#46
On October 13 2012 07:02 Vaalyr wrote:
Think about how quickly this tournament would have ended 2 years ago, every pvp a 4gate.


now its... neither of us can 1base the other to death? we shall part ways, reconvene in 25mins, with lazzsszzzerrrss
vorxaw
Profile Joined April 2011
Canada245 Posts
October 12 2012 22:26 GMT
#47
On October 13 2012 06:09 xmungam wrote:
omg what, with so many pvps and zvzs anyone could advance.... what happens if creator or sun or parting loose r1? wow anything can happen...

i just hope a terran does well, lol that could seriously surprise someone!!!

anyways, a kespa player will most probably / definitely win this. sun / hero / roro? who could beat that...


please let no terran do well lol, so tired of tournaments have 1/8th terran, then those guys make it to final or win, and people saying terran op
Cinquedea
Profile Joined July 2012
Canada144 Posts
October 12 2012 22:26 GMT
#48
wow. Rain has become so popular so fast..
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Footler
Profile Joined January 2010
United States560 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-10-12 22:29:23
October 12 2012 22:29 GMT
#49
I believe in you Parting! And also Squirtle a little bit.
I am The-Sink! Parting bandwagoner before it became a soul train.
Ryps
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Romania2740 Posts
October 12 2012 22:38 GMT
#50
Sad Zealot 2011, Never forget !
BoB_KiLLeR
Profile Joined September 2010
Spain620 Posts
October 12 2012 22:44 GMT
#51
Sad zealot always in my heart <3

I really really wanna see a sad Marine now.
niuage
Profile Joined October 2011
United States175 Posts
October 12 2012 22:47 GMT
#52
I want Rain or Squirtle to win this! Rain especially, I'm sad he didn't make it to the GSL finals...
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silent_owl
Profile Joined March 2011
Philippines3098 Posts
October 12 2012 22:48 GMT
#53
So sad I can't watch the games.
"If you know your enemy and yourself, you need not fear the results of a hundred battles." - Sun Tzu
Nyarly
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
France1030 Posts
October 12 2012 22:57 GMT
#54
On October 13 2012 05:45 opterown wrote:
come on creator!!!

Poll: Favorite to Win WCS Asia?

Rain (417)
 
27%

HerO (276)
 
18%

Creator (270)
 
17%

Seed (143)
 
9%

Squirtle (131)
 
8%

Sen (79)
 
5%

RorO (68)
 
4%

PartinG (64)
 
4%

Curious (33)
 
2%

Toodming (26)
 
2%

Jim (23)
 
1%

Comm (19)
 
1%

1549 total votes

Your vote: Favorite to Win WCS Asia?

(Vote): Creator
(Vote): Seed
(Vote): PartinG
(Vote): Squirtle
(Vote): Rain
(Vote): HerO
(Vote): RorO
(Vote): Curious
(Vote): Sen
(Vote): Comm
(Vote): Toodming
(Vote): Jim


come on, where is miya ?
Miya is good
OlSpiced
Profile Joined February 2012
Austria96 Posts
October 12 2012 23:01 GMT
#55
Monchi <3
Atrbyg
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United States513 Posts
October 12 2012 23:04 GMT
#56
I predict that Creator will take it all.
Frankenberry
Profile Joined February 2012
Denmark302 Posts
October 12 2012 23:44 GMT
#57
Well look at it on the bright side. Now we can get to know some foreign / Chinese terrans :D

But yeah in my personal opinion the 3 most entertaining matchup's involves terrans, so I seriously hope some Terran will step up and make it far in the tournament
FeyFey
Profile Joined September 2010
Germany10114 Posts
October 13 2012 00:11 GMT
#58
hope we will see some big blue lasers from one toss. On the other hand if only one choses the blue beam, while the rest sticks with red, then the tournament will end fast.
And now to end this with a Matrix joke ... nah
mordk
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Chile8385 Posts
October 13 2012 00:18 GMT
#59
Creator or Seed will win this no doubt
jpaolof
Profile Joined November 2011
28 Posts
October 13 2012 00:23 GMT
#60
GO Enderr!!!
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thirtyapm
Profile Joined January 2012
521 Posts
October 13 2012 00:25 GMT
#61
i dun give a f4rk. backing HERO 100%
Zane
Profile Joined January 2011
Romania3916 Posts
October 13 2012 00:53 GMT
#62
Come on Seed, this is yours for the taking.
NovemberstOrm
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
Canada16217 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-10-13 01:54:55
October 13 2012 01:49 GMT
#63
On October 13 2012 06:35 JKM wrote:
Please stop calling so goddamn many different players pracc bonjwa's and similar bullshit. Koreans like to talk highly of their pracc partners, especially those from their own team. I can accept that maybe 2-4 "pracc bonjwa's" exist out there, but the term has been thrown around ever since SC2 came out. They would have made it further if they truly were that good.

Edit:
"Alas, Poor HerO. If this were a tournament with reasonable racial balance, we'd say he was one of the contenders to win it all"
Also Hero would most certainly not be a championship contender when taking part in a tournament with opponents of this caliber:
- Creator: Winner of TSL4.
- Seed: Winner of GSL3.
- Rain: OSL finalist.
- Squirtle: Runner-up of GSL2 & IPL4.

That is 4 players who has achieved more than Hero in 2012, with Parting's results being on par with Hero's. In a fantasy world where these players did not play protoss, Hero still would not be a true contender.

I think that was all the bile I had. Well-written and interesting article outside of those small issues :-),


It's pvp anything can happen, HerO beat squirtle in gsl and has accomplished less this year, in terms of earnings HerO is 2nd with MC being 1st does that mean HerO is better than all of thhem? no no it doesn't, it sounds like you just want to shit on HerO because u mad.
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zyq88613
Profile Joined October 2012
2 Posts
October 13 2012 02:05 GMT
#64
I like Comm Chinese Balotelli
zyq88613
Profile Joined October 2012
2 Posts
October 13 2012 02:08 GMT
#65
get rid of Korean, Fighting Chinese
AlanFort
Profile Joined November 2011
United States5 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-10-13 02:28:24
October 13 2012 02:28 GMT
#66
On October 13 2012 11:08 zyq88613 wrote:
get rid of Korean, Fighting Chinese


We can see how good You`re in organize tournaments ( China !!!! ) .... 2 hours and still no stream, no games, only old commercials about sc2 WOL - im so dissapointed, worst WCS ever - that`s why China never should host any tournament since now.


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GolemMadness
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Canada11044 Posts
October 13 2012 03:35 GMT
#67
Roro all the way.
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magnaflow
Profile Joined August 2011
Canada1521 Posts
October 13 2012 04:05 GMT
#68
And we were always told Korean terrans are the best players in the world.
Lysanias
Profile Joined March 2011
Netherlands8351 Posts
October 13 2012 05:28 GMT
#69
No Sen in here ? come on o0
MCDayC
Profile Joined March 2011
United Kingdom14464 Posts
October 13 2012 06:44 GMT
#70
Rooting for Seed, hopefully he has a good time elephant slaying.
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Zerg.Zilla
Profile Joined February 2012
Hungary5029 Posts
October 13 2012 07:52 GMT
#71
Many of you may be wondering "Who the f*** is Miya?" Lol...anyway i think Creator or Seed's gonna take this...
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OkStyX
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
Canada1199 Posts
October 13 2012 09:05 GMT
#72
People are crazy if they think Creator isn't gonna win this . Kids a monster.
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Earawen
Profile Joined February 2011
France51 Posts
October 13 2012 09:47 GMT
#73
wtf how can you not be excited about that. rain, creator, roro, seed, hero squirtle, parting, curious, ... And btw how can you count roro or curious out... and I could even see miya in top6
Cattlecruiser
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
United States340 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-10-13 13:26:36
October 13 2012 12:51 GMT
#74
On October 13 2012 11:08 zyq88613 wrote:
get rid of Korean, Fighting Chinese


Koreans wouldn't lose to the likes of Sen and the nameless multitudes of your garb players.

I don't get how the Chinese think that they have the slightest chance to take the final, I understand maybe a spot or two to the WCS Finals based on seeding but win WCS Asia?

No chinese players has won a big foreign event and their best player, Sen, got knocked out of GSL by Boxer and jjakiji lol. Both of them aren't even in Code A anymore. What have they done outside of China to merit any credit? Koreans play on another level than they do, B teamers would demolish all the Chinese without a second thought, good luck against the elephants and GSL runner ups.
EnumaAvalon
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
Philippines3613 Posts
October 13 2012 13:29 GMT
#75
The upper bracket as well as the championship bracket is highly reminiscent of WCS Korea :p
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EnumaAvalon
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
Philippines3613 Posts
October 13 2012 13:36 GMT
#76
On October 13 2012 16:52 Zerg.Zilla wrote:
Many of you may be wondering "Who the f*** is Miya?" Lol...anyway i think Creator or Seed's gonna take this...


Well Miya has been fielded by Slayers on a lot of team leagues. Especially the last EG Cup.
(._.) ( l: ) ( .-. ) ( :l ) (._.) They see me rolling. They hating.
KillAudio
Profile Joined October 2010
1364 Posts
October 13 2012 14:31 GMT
#77
Asian PvP Championship. Ugh.
From a scale of sheth to idra, how mad are you?
Tomba
Profile Joined January 2012
Norway106 Posts
October 13 2012 16:47 GMT
#78
On October 13 2012 21:51 Cattlecruiser wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 13 2012 11:08 zyq88613 wrote:
get rid of Korean, Fighting Chinese


Koreans wouldn't lose to the likes of Sen and the nameless multitudes of your garb players.

I don't get how the Chinese think that they have the slightest chance to take the final, I understand maybe a spot or two to the WCS Finals based on seeding but win WCS Asia?

No chinese players has won a big foreign event and their best player, Sen, got knocked out of GSL by Boxer and jjakiji lol. Both of them aren't even in Code A anymore. What have they done outside of China to merit any credit? Koreans play on another level than they do, B teamers would demolish all the Chinese without a second thought, good luck against the elephants and GSL runner ups.


Sen beat Miya tho? And now Miya is out. Sen fighting!
StarStruck
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
25339 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-10-13 16:59:45
October 13 2012 16:55 GMT
#79
On October 13 2012 06:35 JKM wrote:
Please stop calling so goddamn many different players pracc bonjwa's and similar bullshit. Koreans like to talk highly of their pracc partners, especially those from their own team. I can accept that maybe 2-4 "pracc bonjwa's" exist out there, but the term has been thrown around ever since SC2 came out. They would have made it further if they truly were that good.

Edit:
"Alas, Poor HerO. If this were a tournament with reasonable racial balance, we'd say he was one of the contenders to win it all"
Also Hero would most certainly not be a championship contender when taking part in a tournament with opponents of this caliber:
- Creator: Winner of TSL4.
- Seed: Winner of GSL3.
- Rain: OSL finalist.
- Squirtle: Runner-up of GSL2 & IPL4.

That is 4 players who has achieved more than Hero in 2012, with Parting's results being on par with Hero's. In a fantasy world where these players did not play protoss, Hero still would not be a true contender.

I think that was all the bile I had. Well-written and interesting article outside of those small issues :-),


Yeah the practice thing is bullshit. Thank Dan for that. It's all about context.

Any who I wouldn't be listing just one feat of the given players so far to compare to cute toss because it looks silly.

Put everything into perspective. Rain has been on a tear, Creator has been lighting it up recently, Seed looks as strong as ever and I guess you could make an argument for Squirtle as well. With that said, let us not forget cutetoss still made it to the round of eight.

I wouldn't write him off completely yet and what do you know he + Show Spoiler +
beat seed today
whereas Squirtle and Creator are in the + Show Spoiler +
loser bracket
.
Jaaaaasper
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
United States10225 Posts
October 13 2012 16:58 GMT
#80
Gogo Rain!
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Interstellar
Profile Joined May 2012
Mexico67 Posts
October 13 2012 17:25 GMT
#81
Hero 2-0 over Seed? Did not expect that! Go Hero!!!
El que es chingon, es chingon.
neptunusfisk
Profile Blog Joined July 2012
2286 Posts
October 13 2012 18:05 GMT
#82
Rain. Take this.
maru G5L pls
sgt.18
Profile Joined August 2012
Israel14 Posts
October 13 2012 19:55 GMT
#83
OP u should change the title to [WCS Asia] Meet the Protoss.

protoss dominating wcs asia as well as wcs south korea.
why no1 talking about the non-existent terran representation on the tornument (4 terran, 15 protss, 13 zerg).
and the non existent terran representation on wcs world (4 terran, 14 protoss, 14 zerg).

this 1 sided results make u wonder how balanced really is this game regarding the terran race.
Frostlone
Profile Joined February 2012
Australia75 Posts
October 13 2012 20:03 GMT
#84
It's pvp and HerO will be in contention of that tiny little thing... After his excelent series vs Seed I think that tiny little thing has changed slightly
JKM
Profile Joined November 2011
Denmark419 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-10-13 20:26:51
October 13 2012 20:20 GMT
#85
On October 13 2012 10:49 NovemberstOrm wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 13 2012 06:35 JKM wrote:
Please stop calling so goddamn many different players pracc bonjwa's and similar bullshit. Koreans like to talk highly of their pracc partners, especially those from their own team. I can accept that maybe 2-4 "pracc bonjwa's" exist out there, but the term has been thrown around ever since SC2 came out. They would have made it further if they truly were that good.

Edit:
"Alas, Poor HerO. If this were a tournament with reasonable racial balance, we'd say he was one of the contenders to win it all"
Also Hero would most certainly not be a championship contender when taking part in a tournament with opponents of this caliber:
- Creator: Winner of TSL4.
- Seed: Winner of GSL3.
- Rain: OSL finalist.
- Squirtle: Runner-up of GSL2 & IPL4.

That is 4 players who has achieved more than Hero in 2012, with Parting's results being on par with Hero's. In a fantasy world where these players did not play protoss, Hero still would not be a true contender.

I think that was all the bile I had. Well-written and interesting article outside of those small issues :-),


It's pvp anything can happen, HerO beat squirtle in gsl and has accomplished less this year, in terms of earnings HerO is 2nd with MC being 1st does that mean HerO is better than all of thhem? no no it doesn't, it sounds like you just want to shit on HerO because u mad.


I didn't want to shit on Hero just to shit on him or be mad (or whatevs). I just didn't like how it was phrased as if he was the big contender if not for PvP ruining his chances*. As I wrote he is in with champions from multiple different tournaments and overall in 2012 Hero has 'only' shown consistently good play, but not reaching the championship winning levels, as opposed to some of the other participants in WCS.

* Notice it was not my words saying that PvP left him chanceless! It could be in his favor, except if Squirtle decides to become a god PvP again.

EDIT
On October 14 2012 04:55 sgt.18 wrote:
OP u should change the title to [WCS Asia] Meet the Protoss.

protoss dominating wcs asia as well as wcs south korea.
why no1 talking about the non-existent terran representation on the tornument (4 terran, 15 protss, 13 zerg).
and the non existent terran representation on wcs world (4 terran, 14 protoss, 14 zerg).

this 1 sided results make u wonder how balanced really is this game regarding the terran race.


It's because in 2011 we got fed up with terran winning everything and overall dominating, especially in Korea. Furthermore, basing your balance in WCS alone is statistically weak, especially considering how the terran-killing patch was rolled out shortly before / during WCS national quals. --> making established terran strategies weak against zerg and losing for it. TvZ has improved markedly since that time.
1338, one upping 1337
pigtheman
Profile Joined January 2009
United States333 Posts
October 13 2012 23:20 GMT
#86
who gets invite to the wcs world? is it top 4?
*rawr* d(^_^d)
DanceSC
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
United States751 Posts
October 13 2012 23:36 GMT
#87
IM SO HYPED :D :D :D YEAAHHH
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opterown *
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Australia54784 Posts
October 14 2012 00:12 GMT
#88
On October 14 2012 08:20 pigtheman wrote:
who gets invite to the wcs world? is it top 4?

top 6!
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cLAN.Anax
Profile Blog Joined July 2012
United States2847 Posts
October 14 2012 01:30 GMT
#89
Haven't heard news about Sen in quite awhile. Would like to see him succeed here.

But... well, Rain, lol.
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Creager
Profile Joined February 2011
Germany1895 Posts
October 14 2012 02:12 GMT
#90
it's really a shame there are no terrans left (and so few to begin with) :/
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Entirety
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
1423 Posts
October 14 2012 06:48 GMT
#91
Well, everyone predicted that Koreans would dominate.

10 Koreans invited

9/10 Koreans in the Top 10

1 Korean eliminated by Sen + another Korean

It's pretty safe to say that StarCraft 2 in Asia will revolve around Korea for a long time.
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Nakwa
Profile Joined August 2011
Sweden93 Posts
October 14 2012 08:58 GMT
#92
1/8 of the players in WCS world championship going to be terran, plz nerf more, should be 0/8.
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s200200300
Profile Joined June 2012
8 Posts
October 14 2012 11:39 GMT
#93
Damn. You don't beat Rain if your name is not MVP.
MyFirstProbe
Profile Joined April 2011
Netherlands294 Posts
October 14 2012 19:49 GMT
#94
On October 14 2012 20:39 s200200300 wrote:
Damn. You don't beat Rain if your name is not MVP.


Why does everybody forget Happy, it should be: You don't beat Rain if you're not an IM terran!
BaconofWar
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
United States369 Posts
October 14 2012 21:03 GMT
#95
Oh so Rain won? I'm predicting a 2-0 loss at the hands of the Gracken in the winners bracket.....
I kid, I kid. But that would be goddamn hilarious
Well, C9 is the best right now
Porcelina
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
United Kingdom3249 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-10-15 06:33:00
October 15 2012 02:36 GMT
#96
On October 15 2012 04:49 MyFirstProbe wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 14 2012 20:39 s200200300 wrote:
Damn. You don't beat Rain if your name is not MVP.


Why does everybody forget Happy, it should be: You don't beat Rain if you're not an IM terran!


Remembering Happy? I have a suspicion more people tlpd'ed the Empire Terran rather than remember the round of 32 match. You might be a bit of a dreamer. tt.
hhS
Profile Joined March 2012
Chile33 Posts
October 15 2012 04:39 GMT
#97
TOOSS OP... ZERG OPP.. TERRAN XX!!!!
SorrowShine
Profile Joined October 2011
698 Posts
October 15 2012 11:25 GMT
#98
Seed or Rain
Love PvP despite playing Z. Its gonna be lots of fun
SorrowShine
Profile Joined October 2011
698 Posts
October 15 2012 11:27 GMT
#99
On October 14 2012 09:12 opterown wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 14 2012 08:20 pigtheman wrote:
who gets invite to the wcs world? is it top 4?

top 6!


Is it like Creator plus Top 6. Or if Creator is in Top 6: 7th Place also goes to WCS Finals??
opterown *
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Australia54784 Posts
October 15 2012 11:28 GMT
#100
On October 15 2012 20:27 SorrowShine wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 14 2012 09:12 opterown wrote:
On October 14 2012 08:20 pigtheman wrote:
who gets invite to the wcs world? is it top 4?

top 6!


Is it like Creator plus Top 6. Or if Creator is in Top 6: 7th Place also goes to WCS Finals??

it's creator, sen, comm and top 6 not already qualified.
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GohgamX
Profile Joined April 2011
Canada1096 Posts
October 15 2012 14:05 GMT
#101
Rain is going to take this for sure.
Time is a great teacher, unfortunate that it kills all its pupils ...
nimdil
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Poland3748 Posts
October 15 2012 15:32 GMT
#102
Rain versus Stephano finals will be fun.
JoFeSboyAT
Profile Joined November 2010
Austria128 Posts
October 17 2012 17:14 GMT
#103
lol monchi beats squirtl so sad
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vgijamven
Profile Joined December 2011
Sweden95 Posts
October 17 2012 18:26 GMT
#104
WCS Asia? More like WCS PvPvZ >_>
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