• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 08:40
CEST 14:40
KST 21:40
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
[ASL22] Ro24 Preview: Summer's End6Serral wins HomeStory Cup 2915Serral wins Maestros of the Game 243ByuL, and the Limitations of Standard Play3Team Liquid Map Contest #22: Results and Winners7
Community News
Weekly Cups (August 10-16): SHIN doubles1GSTL Returns in 2026!43Weekly Cups (Aug 3-9): Protoss get shut out7RSL goes to London! 2026 Offline Finals Nov 21-2212Weekly Cups (July 27-Aug 2): SHIN's big week0
StarCraft 2
General
Weekly Cups (August 10-16): SHIN doubles Balance hotfix patch 5.0.16b (July 16) GSTL Returns in 2026! SC4ALL: II Talent Announcement! Protoss AoE skill expression
Tourneys
2026 GSTL Announcement PIG STY FESTIVAL 8.0! (13 - 23 August) WardiTV Mondays 2026 KungFu Cup Announcement Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament
Strategy
[G] Having the right mentality to improve
Custom Maps
Nexus Wars 2021 GUIDE [M] (2) Industrial Park
External Content
The PondCast: SC2 News & Results Mutation # 539 Thunder Dome Mutation # 538 Media Blackout Mutation # 537 Hostile Territory
Brood War
General
SC4ALL II: Brood War Player Announcement 3/4 - soO BW General Discussion Rush's Odyssey Controversy [ASL22] Ro24 Preview: Summer's End StarCraft 64 is coming to Philly at SC4ALL II
Tourneys
[ASL22] Ro24 Group B [ASL22] Ro24 Group A Small VOD Thread 2.0 CSLAN 4 is Coming!
Strategy
Odyssey Mineral Stack Saturation Fighting Spirit mining rates Any training maps people recommend? Simple Questions, Simple Answers
Other Games
General Games
Nintendo Switch Thread General RTS Discussion Thread Anyone here play Quakeworld back in the day? Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread EVE Corporation
Dota 2
Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
[TL LoL EUW IHs] Teemo shall perish TSM pausing esports and CLG Dead
Heroes of the Storm
Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug
TL Mafia
TL Mafia Power Rank TL Mafia Community Thread NeO.D_StephenKing vs This Guy From 1 Million Dance
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread The Letting Off Steam Thread Artificial Intelligence Thread Russo-Ukrainian War Thread European Politico-economics QA Mega-thread
Fan Clubs
MarineLorD Fan Club The ShoWTimE Fan Club The herO Fan Club!
Media & Entertainment
Movie Discussion! Anime Discussion Thread Series you have seen recently...
Sports
MLB/Baseball 2023 Football (Soccer) Thread TeamLiquid Health and Fitness Initiative For 2023 NBA General Discussion Formula 1 Discussion
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread Simple Questions Simple Answers FPS when play League Of Legend on laptop
TL Community
The Automated Ban List Northern Ireland Global Starcraft
Blogs
LOCKPICKING NOOB
LUCKY_NOOB
Chinese Gen Z: Between Dream…
TrAiDoS
Cathedral Of CS And NY pizza a…
FuDDx
Please support my new stand…
Peanutsc
Hello guys!
LIN1s
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 6055 users

[MLG] The Wonderful Wizard - Page 3

Forum Index > News
96 CommentsPost a Reply
Prev 1 2 3 4 5 Next All
Vandrad
Profile Joined November 2011
Germany951 Posts
August 23 2012 14:18 GMT
#41
Lets see if Stephanos training in korea paid off ...

Besides that I really like the new group system of MLG
And who are you, the proud lord said, that I must bow so low?
m0ck
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
4194 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-23 14:57:51
August 23 2012 14:28 GMT
#42
Great article, nice writing and interesting insight, but there's one point missing. Stephano simply didn't play very well the whole tournament. Dubious macro, many (more than usual^^) supply-blocks and wrong decisions seemed to be the name of the game. I think the Metropolis-game is a great example.

Oz gets an early advantage by blocking S's expansion and Stephano follows it up by neglecting to scout the entire map (like we usually see him do), which allows Oz to plant a pylon north of S's fifth. However, an overlord-scout spots the gates and the twilight council in Oz's base and S knows exactly what is coming. From there it is his game to loose. But he messes up - he runs slow roaches and splings halfway across the map towards ozs natural, turns around when he realizes that the natural is undefended (meaning that Ozs army is on the map), finally detects that Oz has moved to S's fourth and then very indecisively moves a handful of roaches back and fourth towards a group of stalkers positioned north of S's fifth base. His roaches are eventually caught in a pincer-move between the two forces of Oz, while the rest of the army is idling by the rocks connecting S's third and fourth. From that point on the rest of the game is something close to a formality. Not a great game from S by any measure. More decisiveness could have led to an attack on the unprotected natural of Oz or to an attack with the roaches on either small force of Ozs army. It would have either drawn a million forcefields, which would have made the following attack from Oz much less potent, or it would have pushed and killed the few stalkers, possibly even taken out the pylon to the north of S's fifth.

That is not to take anything away from Oz, who clearly outplayed Stephano on the occasion, but it is part of the picture. Another is, of course, that while Oz knew about Stephanos play, Stephano didn't know about Oz's.

It'll be interesting to see if Stephano has gotten back in shape while in Korea (from the improvement visible while watching his stream from the TSL-house, it seems so) and also, if he can break the P dominance in the PvZ-matchup that we're seeing in Korea at the moment. Despite the mellow reception of the list of participants, I think this will be a great tournament.

Game on!
antilyon
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Brazil2546 Posts
August 23 2012 14:30 GMT
#43
Wow, this one was a great read.
Both in terms of writing and game knowledge, thank you treehugger
MassHysteria
Profile Joined October 2010
United States3678 Posts
August 23 2012 15:13 GMT
#44
Good stuff writers ...Best sc2 tourney related stuff I have read in a while. It also got me hyped up (never watched their first series, will soon tho).
"Just ban all the J's...even jinklejoes" --unnamed source
Ollie
Profile Joined October 2011
United States144 Posts
August 23 2012 15:29 GMT
#45
An article on my favorite player? You're too kind, TL.

Nice to see Oz getting the recognition he deserves, but I wish he could be a bit more consistent.
Oz | HerO | Creator | Stork | DRG | Soulkey | Jaedong | Sniper | Byun | TaeJa | Fantasy
Snijjer
Profile Joined September 2011
United States989 Posts
August 23 2012 15:59 GMT
#46
Great article on Stephano

Seriously though I hope to read more of these kind of well written articles on here.
paddyz
Profile Joined May 2011
Ireland628 Posts
August 23 2012 16:03 GMT
#47
I still think it boils down to stephano "solved" protoss so he takes a safe quick 3rd when toss forge FE, gets up a few more workers then them because he can make them faster. Then makes mass roach ling to either defend his economic advantage or deny a quick protoss 3rd depending on what the toss decides to do.
He check for the 3rd and 4th gas for toss at 6 minutes to see if its a 6 gate or something and then just stops the drone phase for units phase slightly faster and gets ling speed if the gases were not taken. If they were he just goes for lair and does his usual thing.
Then yes if he cant keep his 3rd or if he cant deny the toss 3rd he techs to infestors and then broodlords. Thats practically what I see everytime.

I don't think Protoss have a "hard counter" to this as such but Oz just outsmarted and outplayed Stephano. If they meet again I really doubt that Stephano will come out with something brilliant and innovative that redefines starcraft2 as we know it. If he wins it will probably because Oz didn't play well enough vs stephano vs P. Or because Oz once again felt that he had to come up with something brilliant again just to win a PvZ and he did not consider some little detail.

Yorbon
Profile Joined December 2011
Netherlands4272 Posts
August 23 2012 16:22 GMT
#48
I'm hoping for another stephano - polt rivalry, where they both win/lose against each other multiple times. It's awesome to see.
Nice read btw, well written!
RolleMcKnolle
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Germany1054 Posts
August 23 2012 16:22 GMT
#49
great article, it's always nice to hear some strategical analysis
HaXXspetten
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Sweden15718 Posts
August 23 2012 16:45 GMT
#50
Wasn't quite the article I was expecting upon opening this, buy I enjoyed it nonetheless ^^
Was a really impressive series to watch for sure
snively
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States1159 Posts
August 23 2012 16:48 GMT
#51
On August 23 2012 19:12 tree.hugger wrote:
... Stephano and Oz are destined to meet again. Probably because they're in the same group.


lol.
My religion is Starcraft
MassHysteria
Profile Joined October 2010
United States3678 Posts
August 23 2012 16:52 GMT
#52
The [rewatch the series] link isn't working for me ...not a bad link, just MLG video player I guess boo.
"Just ban all the J's...even jinklejoes" --unnamed source
GhandiEAGLE
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States20754 Posts
August 23 2012 16:52 GMT
#53
On August 23 2012 20:52 Waxangel wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 23 2012 20:49 Bumblebee wrote:
On August 23 2012 19:55 Noam wrote:
On August 23 2012 19:28 bittman wrote:
Does each writer get an article like this?

I mean, I really like the article. It would be so great if a big tournament was hyped with a strong piece by a few writers leading up to it.

What I'm saying, as always, is: I <3 articles =P

I am not part of the writing staff so I don't know how they work exactly, but I can tell you that StarCraft is our passion and we naturally put more time into the tournaments and players we are most passionate about.

So I guess as readers, we just need to give positive feedback and reinforcements to our writers, so we can see more awesome articles like this one

This is false. Treehugger only likes Snute. No one else matters to him.


truth

Liquid' Snute?

Good write-up btw
Oh, my achin' hands, from rakin' in grands, and breakin' in mic stands
Advantageous
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
China1350 Posts
August 23 2012 16:53 GMT
#54
great write-up!
"Because I am BossToss" -MC ヽ༼ຈل͜ຈ༽ノ raise your dongers ヽ༼ຈل͜ຈ༽ノ I'm sure that all of my fellow class mates viewed me as the Adonis of the Class of 2015 already. -Xenocider, EG, ieF 2013 Champion.
Jampackedeon
Profile Joined November 2010
United States2053 Posts
August 23 2012 17:04 GMT
#55
Fantastic! I really love this preview as a look at two premier players going head to head. Also, I do not believe that Stephano only plays the one style (although I think you identified his overarching trends correctly), and like you I believe that he will be able to overcome the box Oz put him in last tournament. Even with some of the less well known and less popular people now being brought into the group stage by not having the KESPA players, I think this is going to be a fantastic tournament.
Chr15t
Profile Joined March 2011
Denmark1103 Posts
August 23 2012 17:08 GMT
#56
On August 23 2012 20:52 Waxangel wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 23 2012 20:49 Bumblebee wrote:
On August 23 2012 19:55 Noam wrote:
On August 23 2012 19:28 bittman wrote:
Does each writer get an article like this?

I mean, I really like the article. It would be so great if a big tournament was hyped with a strong piece by a few writers leading up to it.

What I'm saying, as always, is: I <3 articles =P

I am not part of the writing staff so I don't know how they work exactly, but I can tell you that StarCraft is our passion and we naturally put more time into the tournaments and players we are most passionate about.

So I guess as readers, we just need to give positive feedback and reinforcements to our writers, so we can see more awesome articles like this one

This is false. Treehugger only likes Snute. No one else matters to him.


truth


Oh hi Wax, how is the recap of IEM going along? ;D
Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.
Lazzi
Profile Joined June 2011
Switzerland1923 Posts
August 23 2012 17:12 GMT
#57
Amazing article , the best I've read in a while! I have to agree with all obsversation , but couldn't have find them myself. It's not only what is said but also how it's said which is amazing.
Such an amazing work!
Please do more of this
It's good to be back
Jaeger
Profile Joined December 2009
United States1150 Posts
August 23 2012 17:38 GMT
#58
Great article. Took me a minute to remember the Oz Stephano series then it all came back in a rush.
https://www.dotabuff.com/players/8137911
VictorJones
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States235 Posts
August 23 2012 18:01 GMT
#59
Great read. The master analogy was inspired
The Final Boss
Profile Joined February 2011
United States1839 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-23 18:29:28
August 23 2012 18:29 GMT
#60
Awesome write-up. Keep making stuff like this! ^^
Prev 1 2 3 4 5 Next All
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
GSL
11:00
2026 GSTL: Main Stage Day 1
IntoTheiNu 948
herO (SOOP)176
CranKy Ducklings SOOP148
Maru137
SHIN 127
Rogue118
Zoun (SOOP)80
Cure78
LiquipediaDiscussion
Afreeca Starleague
10:00
Ro24 Group B
Sharp vs Shinee
Action vs Shine
StarCastTV_EN73
Liquipedia
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
Lowko463
PiGStarcraft340
herO (SOOP) 176
Maru 137
SHIN 127
Rogue 118
Zoun (SOOP) 80
Cure 78
Rex 22
StarCraft: Brood War
Calm 9567
Shuttle 3529
Horang2 1106
EffOrt 633
Shine 610
Soma 526
Light 336
Soulkey 269
Mini 228
Stork 212
[ Show more ]
Rush 170
Larva 167
Snow 144
ZerO 133
Hyun 90
ToSsGirL 81
ggaemo 74
[sc1f]eonzerg 45
hero 38
Hm[arnc] 36
JYJ 34
Bale 30
Killer 30
Free 26
Sacsri 24
soO 23
sSak 22
zelot 18
sorry 18
IntoTheRainbow 15
Noble 14
ajuk12(nOOB) 13
Icarus 8
Shinee 1
Dota 2
Dendi1983
XBOCT1633
BananaSlamJamma410
canceldota147
Super Smash Bros
Mew2King112
Heroes of the Storm
Trikslyr31
Other Games
B2W.Neo804
crisheroes276
DeMusliM158
Liquid`LucifroN150
Hui .148
QueenE44
ZerO(Twitch)2
Organizations
Other Games
BasetradeTV33
StarCraft: Brood War
lovetv 12
[ Show 11 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• Migwel
StarCraft: Brood War
• HerbMon 13
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
Dota 2
• WagamamaTV1274
League of Legends
• TFBlade414
Upcoming Events
PiGosaur Cup
11h 21m
Replay Cast
20h 21m
Afreeca Starleague
21h 21m
BeSt vs Paralyze
Jaedong vs Speed
Kung Fu Cup
22h 21m
Replay Cast
1d 11h
The PondCast
1d 21h
KCM Race Survival
1d 21h
Replay Cast
2 days
Escore
2 days
PiG Sty Festival
2 days
[ Show More ]
CranKy Ducklings
3 days
PiG Sty Festival
3 days
Sparkling Tuna Cup
4 days
PiG Sty Festival
4 days
The Patches Monday
6 days
GSL
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

CSLAN 4
CranK Gathers Season 4: BW vs SC2 Team League
Eternal Conflict S2 Finale

Ongoing

KCM Race Survival 2026 Season 3
K-JUNGMAN
ASL Season 22
Super Anchor Qualifying S3
RSL Revival: Season 6
PiG Sty Festival 8.0
META DYMY #4
Esports World Cup 2026
Esports World Cup 2026: LCQ
BLAST Bounty Summer 2026
BLAST Bounty Summer Qual
Stake Ranked Episode 3
XSE Pro League 2026
IEM Cologne Major 2026

Upcoming

CSL Season 22: Qualifier 1
Escore Tournament S3: W8
CSL Season 22: Qualifier 2
CSL 2026 AUTUMN (S22)
Acropolis #5
Acropolis #5 - TRS
Blizzard Classic Cup 2026
HSC XXX
SC4ALL II: StarCraft II
Kung Fu Cup 2026 Grand Finals
RSL Offline Finals
Big Dog Cup 2026 Div 1
Stake Ranked Episode 5
PGL Masters Bucharest 2026
Thunderpick World Champ. '26
ESL Pro League Season 24
Stake Ranked Episode 4
1win Private Club #1
Logitech G Connect 2026
SL StarSeries Fall 2026
FISSURE Playground #5
BLAST Open Fall 2026
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2026 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.