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[GSL] Code S S1 - The MVP Team Kill

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[GSL] Code S S1 - The MVP Team Kill

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January 17th, 2012 00:20 GMT
  • GSL on Liquipedia
  • Group E in Review
  • Code S, Group F Preview

Group E in Review


By: Waxangel


Group E: (T)SlayerS_MMA, (T)FXOGuMiho, (Z)SlayerS_YuGiOh, (Z)Liquid`Zenio


Match One: MMA vs Gumiho

Game One –

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Metropolis

In one of the more hilarious build order + strategy mismatches we've seen in a while, MMA went for a proxy Barracks+Factory to perform a Marine+Tank push (similar to the ones he used to great effect against Mvp in the GSL October finals), while Gumiho did an extraordinarily greedy FE with extremely late scouting to boot. MMA walked into Gumiho's base, saw no units, and finished the game.

Winner: MMA
Game Two –
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Crossfire

By opening the match with a proxy Barracks Marauder rush, MMA started a chain of endless aggression and counter-attacks that didn't stop until the very end.

Gumiho countered the damage taken from that Marauders with a Banshee, which MMA then countered by backdooring with Reapers, which Gumiho countered with another Banshee, and so forth. Basically, the game was a repetition of one player gaining an advantage (economic or military), and the other player striking and regaining ground almost immediately. What enabled this was the extreme aggression on both players' part, which always left the backdoor open for some kind of counter-attack.

In the end, it was MMA's superior multi-tasking and battle micro that allowed him to accumulate enough small advantages to turn them into a victory. Also, Gumiho's sub-optimal use of his Viking army played into his defeat. Often, his Vikings would be caught in the incorrect location despite their mobility, and sometimes they were in the incorrect mode as well. However, considering how ragged MMA was running Gumiho with his aggression, it's hard to blame Gumiho too much.

Winner: MMA


Game Three –
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MMA won 2-0.


Match Two: Zenio vs Yugioh

Game One –
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Cloud Kingdom

Despite going expansion before Pool, Yugioh was able to hold off a ten Pool attack from Zenio very well. However, he the either misread Zenio's follow-up or played too greedily, getting three Drones instead of a Baneling nest ASAP. Zenio had gone completely all-in by following with a Baneling Nest and Zergling speed, and struck before Yugioh could deal with Banelings at all. As expected, the player with Banelings beat the player with slow Zerglings.

Winner: Zenio


Game Two –
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Daybreak

Opening Gas-Pool against Yugioh's fast expansion, Zenio smelled blood and pumped a large number of speedlings to try and deal some damage. Though he killed around ten Drones and two Queens, the game actually ended up evening out after his early assault due to Zenio's heavy investment in Zerglings.

From there, it was ZvZ on Daybreak as usual, with both players avoiding aggression until they both established solid three base economies and Lair stage tech. Yugioh went for a few Mutas before switching to the standard Roach + Infestor, but was unable to achieve much with his flying units.

The crucial battles of the game ended up being fought towards the right-center of the map, where Zenio tried to take a fourth base and Yugioh tried to deny it. Yugioh did manage to stop Zenio's expansion, but had his own fourth base countered as well during the melee. Overall, Zenio fought the Roach wars better than Yugioh, and had enough of a buffer to add a number of Hydralisks into his army as well.

With the addition of Hydralisks, Zenio created a force that Yugioh just couldn't beat. Though the defender's advantage from the long ground distances kept Yugioh alive for a while, it was only a matter of time before Zenio's superior armies battered him down.

Winner: Zenio


Game Three –
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Zenio won 2-0.


Winner's Match:

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Zenio vs MMA


Game One –
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Entombed Valley

MMA began to strangle Zenio from the get go and never let up. He followed a fast expansion with Reactor Hellions and a Banshee, using those units to constrain Zenio's creep spread while delaying his third base for a very long time. Back at home, MMA played with typical SlayerS greed, getting up a fast third Orbital Command Center while getting Mech units. Every step of the way, MMA simply had more units than Zenio, and used aggression at the right times to force him into tough situations where he could either fight or counter - both of which were bad decisions. Zenio was just overwhelmed by MMA's superior play and was forced to GG out.

Winner: MMA


Game Two –
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Bel'Shir Beach

Once more, MMA stayed ahead of Zenio from start to finish. Opening with an FE into Marines and blue flame Hellions, MMA never let up the aggression. A combination of drops and ground attacks constantly kept Zenio on his toes. Each time, it looked like Zenio had performed a great defense, but the supply counts showed that MMA was leading anyway. MMA kept throwing stuff in Zenio's general direction while he expanded and became stronger, as if the success or failure of his attacks didn't even matter. This continued until MMA had grown so massive that Zenio just couldn't keep up, as the small harassment forces had grown to the size of formidable armies.

Winner: MMA


Game Three –
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MMA won 2-0.


Loser's Match:

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Gumiho vs Yugioh


Game One –
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Entombed Valley

In a straight forward game, Gumiho lost to a two base Muta-Baneling bust after he got Siege Mode just a little bit too late after wasting units on fruitless harassment.

Winner: Yugioh


Game Two –
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Crossfire

This game was a bit confusing and very ugly. After both players opened with normal FE builds, Yugioh seemed to check out of the game completely as he let Gumiho simply kill his expansion attempts and do whatever he wanted. On the other hand, Gumiho was surprisingly passive for the large army lead he had, and fought rather poorly when he did choose to move out. Still, Gumiho couldn't really lose given what can only be described as a general lack of interest from Yugioh. A bizarre game in general.

Winner: Gumiho


Game Three –
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Antiga Shipyard

For the second game in a row, Yugioh looked very off. He did a great job to stop Gumiho's pressure and harassment in the early mid-game, successfully securing the fourth and fifth bases that are often difficult for Zerg to take on the Antiga. However, Yugioh played incredibly wastefully from this position. He was unaware of a hidden base Gumiho had secured, and thus thought Gumiho was near death when he was very much alive. Sloppy play from Yugioh saw him wasting units, losing bases to drops, and just slowly letting his lead dwindle away until Gumiho reversed the situation entirely.

Winner: Gumiho


Final Match:

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Zenio vs Gumiho


Game One –
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Daybreak

There were some interesting parallels to be drawn between this game and Zenio's game against MMA on Bel'Shir Beach. In both games, the Terran player fast expanded, and then followed with incessant pressure and harassment while trying to slowly build up his empire at home. However, Gumiho either wasn't as good as MMA at that aspect, or Zenio had figured out how to react much better. Whereas Zenio had stopped MMA's pressure and still found himself behind in many cases, he found himself swatting away Gumiho's attacks and slowly building up a comfortable lead. Eventually Zenio built up a strong enough economy and army that he was able to overwhelm Gumiho on all fronts to take the game.

Winner: Zenio


Game Two –
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Cloud Kingdom

Game two demonstrated how failing to stop Gumiho's initial harassment can cause an endless spiral of pain. Zenio's Queen, Zergling, and Baneling micro wasn't up to par against Gumiho's Marine-Hellion elevator, and he paid for it by losing eighteen drones. Losing Drones led to less units, less units led to less security against harassment, which in turn led to the loss of even more Drones and infrastructure. Rinse and repeat for Gumiho. Zenio just barely kept up with Gumiho's population count, which wasn't enough to stop him when the final death push came.

Winner: Gumiho


Game Three –
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Bel'Shir Beach

Gumiho opened with two semi-proxy Barracks against Zenio's fast expansion, and was rewarded by killing the Hatchery and getting massively ahead. Zenio pulled back slightly with a Baneling bust that did a little bit of damage, but Gumiho retained that little edge he needed to win the game. The game played out like the one on Cloud Kingdom, where Zenio managed to barely hang on until Gumiho decided to finish the game with an overwhelming army.



Notes and Comments

Disappointing, but advancing: Gumiho advanced as many people expected, but his performance was not the most inspiring. His TvT looked flat as usual, but even his vaunted TvZ wasn't looking so sharp. Against Yugioh – who was panned by Tastosis for showing quality of play that belonged in 2010 – Gumiho just barely got through after struggling for three games. Though he made it into the next round, it was still a disappointing outing for a rising player who has played much better in the past. Even FXO Head Coach Choya had to make a tweet to make up for Gumiho's uncharacteristic performance: @FXOChoya "today , gumiho's condition wasn't good so he didn't play well but , he practice very well and has really good skills so plz look foward to watch his ro16 !"

Let's not do the time warp again: Tasteless was a little bit too harsh when he said he felt like he was back in GSL Open Season III upon seeing Yugioh's play, but only just a little bit. Facing Gumiho on Crossfire, Yugioh moved his units around the map without a shred of purpose, allowing his Terran opponent to do whatever he wanted. His decisions to engage or back off seemed almost random at certain points in the game, and at no point did it seem like he had a long term strategy for winning. Yugioh has shown he can play much, much better, but at least for one game he seemed completely out of place in 2012.

An alternative to mech and bio: Mvp makes mech look stupidly solid and reliable in TvT. On the other hand, Polt might convince you that going bio will always let you be one good engagement away from winning the game. However, if we look at MMA's recent TvT games, I think we have a valid third option: Cheese. them. to. death.

After smashing Mvp at Blizzcon with some smart one base all-ins, MMA repeated that performance at the Blizzard Cup with even more cheesy tactics. Against Gumiho, he made it three TvT series in a row where all-ins factored in heavily (he even used one of the same builds he used to beat Mvp).

Obviously, MMA can only do this because he has good standard TvT which he can force opponents to prepare for while he goes for something sneaky instead. However, none of the other Terrans with good normal TvT mix in all-ins to the degree of MMA, even though you might think it would let them win a few more games. By my purely anecdotal analysis, it seems that all-ins are underutilized in TvT right now compared to their success rate. Maybe more GSL Terrans should take a leaf from MMA's book and make it a bigger part of their games.



Code S, Group F Preview


By: waxangel

The MVP Team-Kill.

Group F: (T)MVPsC, (P)EGJYP, (Z)MVPDongRaeGu, (P)MVPGenius


If Starcraft II is anything like its predecessor, then we should know to expect the unexpected from the MVP team-kill matches. It's been proven that when two players are familiar with each other's styles, they sometimes simultaneously try to play mind games to take advantage of that style, resulting in some very bizarre games. So keep your eye out for the MVP vs MVP games; you might see something unusual.

DongRaeGu is the obvious pick to top the group. Without a doubt, this is the best form he's ever been in. In his runs through MLG Providence, Blizzard Cup, and King of Kongs, we've seen that his ZvP has improved massively, and that his ZvT is even stronger than before – if that were even possible. Genius and JYP shouldn't pose that much of a threat, but sC can play some very brutal macro TvZ. DRG has had trouble in the past with Terrans that specialize in throwing endless waves if troops at him (as seen in his games against SuperNova or Ganzi), so a second place finish could be in the picture if sC can beat DRG in the winner's match.

I feel that sC should have been a GSL finalist months ago, but it never really materialized. Sure, he was coming up at a time when macro-abuse Terran was all the rage, but I would contend that he did it THE best out of anyone. Then he started suffering from chronic collapsed lungs, which put an end to his upward progress after a GSL top four finish. It's hard to say how much his medical condition affected his ability to improve as a player, but considering he's tweeted about days where he couldn't do anything but lie down and suffer, I'll assume it was pretty damn bad. Through all that, sC has somehow managed to stay in the upper echelon of Terran players, and has kept his place in Code S.

This isn't a sure-fire advancement group for sC by any means, though he's probably the second best player. JYP will be a PvT free-win until he proves otherwise, so sC can feel okay about his first game. Of sC's teammates, Genius might be distinctly average in a lot of people's eyes, but he does happen to play straight up, late game PvT extremely well. Add the team-kill complication, and that's anybody's game. As for DRG, I feel like sC has a decent shot against him in straight up games, as mentioned above.

JYP has been distinctly self conscious about his reputation as a vsTerran disaster, making frequent tweets about his determination to overcome that hurdle. Even so, he must have been jumping for joy after seeing he only got one Terran player in his group, with 46% of the players in Code S playing Terran. It would be a good baby-step for JYP to overcome one Code S caliber Terran opponent.

JYP scored a victory against DRG back in the days when DRG was known for being bad at ZvP/bad at GSL, but it's a distinctly changed DRG he'll be facing this time around. JYP's ZvP style resembles his friend, HerO's at times, and DRG has slight edge against the former oGs Protoss. Against Genius, well, that's PvP, so who knows how that could go? That leaves his game against the Terran of the group... I guess we'll see if he makes good on his promises to live up to expectations. Overall, JYP does seem like the weakest player in the group, but only by a slim margin.

Finally, we have Genius. He's the last in the class of Protoss players like Killer, HongUn and Tester, having been around forever yet receiving a strangely low amount of attention. Instead of waiting for JYP, HerO, and Sage to figure it out, why not support a reliable old warship for a change? Though not on MC's level, Genius can use all of the tried and true Protoss tactics proficiently. Two base all-ins in PvT. Turtle into Death-ball in PvZ. Flipping a coin in PvP. We've seen in the past that if you can execute those three things well, it's worth a semi-final run. I'm not saying it will be easy for Genius to get past monsters like DRG and sC, but we should give the veteran his due respect.

Predictions:

sC > JYP
DRG > Genius
DRG > sC
Genius > JYP
sC > Genius

DRG and sC advance
















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Writer: Waxangel.
Graphics and Art: Meko and Pony Tales (disciple and Lip the Pencilboy).
Editor: WaxAngel
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6d.Leek
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States76 Posts
January 17 2012 00:23 GMT
#2
Nice write-up! Thanks a lot for doing this for people who can't always watch the games.
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Olinimm
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1471 Posts
January 17 2012 00:25 GMT
#3
I agree with the predictions...pretty safe picks. sC is really good against Protoss I just can't see JYP winning even if he did improve.
Son of Gnome
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United States777 Posts
January 17 2012 00:29 GMT
#4
Nice write up :D
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Bulgaria908 Posts
January 17 2012 00:30 GMT
#5
Should be another great night of sc2!
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DestinedOne
Profile Joined December 2010
Canada84 Posts
January 17 2012 00:31 GMT
#6
I think the predictions are a bit harsh against JYP. He does have terrible PvT, and will likely lose to sC if he faces him, but I'm confident his PvZ and PvP are good enough for wins against DRG and Genius.
IMNotMvp
Profile Joined May 2011
Korea (South)530 Posts
January 17 2012 00:33 GMT
#7
1st game is sc vs jyp
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2943 Posts
January 17 2012 00:33 GMT
#8
that art is fucking adorable. god dammit.
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Waxangel
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United States33350 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-17 00:39:50
January 17 2012 00:38 GMT
#9
On January 17 2012 09:33 IMNotMvp wrote:
1st game is sc vs jyp


whoops, was working off an old edit of Liquipedia, my bad -_-

don't wanna mess up my 12/15 record D:
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Kazeyonoma
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States2912 Posts
January 17 2012 00:42 GMT
#10
agree with picks. sorry for team MVP, much like team oGs the week before. FIGHTING!
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silyaznfoo
Profile Joined December 2011
45 Posts
January 17 2012 00:48 GMT
#11
Yeah last night's matches were pretty disappointing except for MMA dominating like a b0ss. I have high hopes for all 4 of these guys, hopefully we'll see something sweet like Group A or B games.
red4ce
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States7313 Posts
January 17 2012 00:48 GMT
#12
I dunno. Protoss have been kicking ass lately. Even though I want DRG and sC to make it out it would not surprise me to see Genius top the group.
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Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States1528 Posts
January 17 2012 00:50 GMT
#13
I love you Wax.
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mrafaeldie12
Profile Joined July 2011
Brazil537 Posts
January 17 2012 01:03 GMT
#14
Honestly I think either JYP or Genius can get to code A Ro32,PvP is so coinflipy :x
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soulist
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States932 Posts
January 17 2012 01:09 GMT
#15
I don't feel like sC can beat JYP even though JYP has terrible pvt. sC just got out of surgery 3 weeks ago(something like that) and I don't feel like he can be in the best condition to practice. We shall see though. I hope that sC is in good shape, he is such a god terran and could possibly be the best if it wasn't for his constant health problems.
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Kompicek
Profile Joined May 2008
Czech Republic245 Posts
January 17 2012 01:11 GMT
#16
Not a single comment about zenio play? He is a liquid member is he not? Why? Dont really understand, was curious about his showing in code S.
Moka
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada942 Posts
January 17 2012 01:13 GMT
#17
Well written!

But i'm little bit confused with this statement on the home page of TL
''Code S action resumed with reigning GSL Champion MMA defending his title.''

Didn't Jjakji won the last GSL?
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babylon
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
8765 Posts
January 17 2012 01:13 GMT
#18
An alternative to mech and bio: Mvp makes mech look stupidly solid and reliable in TvT. On the other hand, Polt might convince you that going bio will always let you be one good engagement away from winning the game. However, if we look at MMA's recent TvT games, I think we have a valid third option: Cheese. them. to. death.

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mrtomjones
Profile Joined April 2011
Canada4020 Posts
January 17 2012 01:15 GMT
#19
I felt that MMA vs MVP was a lot of well done harass/timing pushes rather than all in's/cheese. If I remember right he just did early tank play that got him good advantages in a fair number of games...
LiamTheZerg
Profile Joined March 2011
United States523 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-17 01:18:13
January 17 2012 01:17 GMT
#20
DRG and sC GOGO

On January 17 2012 10:15 mrtomjones wrote:
I felt that MMA vs MVP was a lot of well done harass/timing pushes rather than all in's/cheese. If I remember right he just did early tank play that got him good advantages in a fair number of games...


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Waxangel
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
United States33350 Posts
January 17 2012 01:25 GMT
#21
On January 17 2012 10:13 Moka wrote:
Well written!

But i'm little bit confused with this statement on the home page of TL
''Code S action resumed with reigning GSL Champion MMA defending his title.''

Didn't Jjakji won the last GSL?


im confused too, but I like a good tagline
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Sitinte
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States499 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-17 01:46:03
January 17 2012 01:38 GMT
#22
I see Genius taking the set from DRG if he bribes him with bulgogi utilizes the dark arts of ZvP.
Gorlin
Profile Joined November 2010
United States2753 Posts
January 17 2012 01:38 GMT
#23
Really looking forward to tonight's group, it's quite hard for me to predict. Genius looked fucking sweet in his up and down group, so I am sorta hoping he does well. But then there's poor sC, and EG's JYP, and then of course zerg badass DongRaeGu. Too hard to choose who to root for.
Nethermind
Profile Joined April 2011
New Zealand445 Posts
January 17 2012 01:39 GMT
#24
Thanks, solid as always.
TheBengalTigger
Profile Joined August 2011
United States8 Posts
January 17 2012 02:14 GMT
#25
I feel kind of bad for JYP, who is a really creative player but probably the weakest in this group. I'll be surprised if he makes it out, with what are probably MVP's top 3 players up against him.
Mmm...fresh meat.
antzilla
Profile Joined June 2009
United States52 Posts
January 17 2012 02:19 GMT
#26
On January 17 2012 10:25 Waxangel wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 17 2012 10:13 Moka wrote:
Well written!

But i'm little bit confused with this statement on the home page of TL
''Code S action resumed with reigning GSL Champion MMA defending his title.''

Didn't Jjakji won the last GSL?


im confused too, but I like a good tagline


Perhaps the GSL All Stars event counts as a GSL?
Shebuha
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Canada1335 Posts
January 17 2012 02:22 GMT
#27
"Still, Gumiho couldn't really lose given what can only be described as a general lack of interest from Yugioh."

LOL!!!!!!!!! What a great writeup! I am most excited for this next group. Not the very best players, but a very interesting combination.

DRG: Very good and probably overrated Zerg player (because people won't STFU about how good he is EVER).
sC: Quite good Terran player who I want to see more of.
Genius: Has been around GSL forever and is interesting to watch.
JYP: Recently joined EG and did very well at HSC.
MildSeven
Profile Joined October 2010
Canada311 Posts
January 17 2012 02:30 GMT
#28
Zenio massively dissapoints, you can see some sprinkles of Code-S in Zenio, but i don't think he's great at adapting in early games at all, which is where we all know zerg is most vulnerable.
Hall0wed
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States8486 Posts
January 17 2012 02:32 GMT
#29
JYP shouldn't pose that much of a threat


wut.

JYP will beat DRG if they match-up. ez
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Bagration
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United States18282 Posts
January 17 2012 02:42 GMT
#30
MMA's play today was just very dominant. Some credit must also go to coach Ryu Won, who is the Slayers strategy coach, coming up with strategies that have crushed even players lilke MVP countless times.
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bittman
Profile Joined February 2011
Australia8759 Posts
January 17 2012 02:51 GMT
#31
On January 17 2012 11:32 Hall0wed wrote:
Show nested quote +
JYP shouldn't pose that much of a threat


wut.

JYP will beat DRG if they match-up. ez


You mean this guy? (Z)DongRaeGu

vP: 17-6 (73.91%)

To be fair, JYP's PvZ is good, so I don't think it'll necessarily be as one sided as it could be if it happens, but "ez"? To be honest, there is no-one in this group that should take a super easy victory, though DRG could potentially trounce Genius + sc
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Chunhyang
Profile Joined December 2011
Bangladesh1389 Posts
January 17 2012 03:10 GMT
#32
One factor working against sc: recent surgery.

One factor working in his favor: zero pressure, esp. since he has a legit excuse for bombing out.

So I think he will play excellently and advance.
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CeriseCherries
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
6170 Posts
January 17 2012 03:12 GMT
#33
Well JYP is pretty damn good at vZ so idk... its not that lopsided
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Sha1hulud
Profile Joined June 2011
United States18 Posts
January 17 2012 03:39 GMT
#34
DongRaeGu 싸움!
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Sha1hulud
Profile Joined June 2011
United States18 Posts
January 17 2012 03:40 GMT
#35
It seems like everyone is exaggerating JYP's effectiveness versus Zerg.
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Mawi
Profile Joined August 2010
Sweden4365 Posts
January 17 2012 03:46 GMT
#36
So looking forward too this great writeup
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VirgilSC2
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United States6151 Posts
January 17 2012 03:48 GMT
#37
On January 17 2012 11:51 bittman wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 17 2012 11:32 Hall0wed wrote:
JYP shouldn't pose that much of a threat


wut.

JYP will beat DRG if they match-up. ez


You mean this guy? (Z)DongRaeGu

vP: 17-6 (73.91%)

To be fair, JYP's PvZ is good, so I don't think it'll necessarily be as one sided as it could be if it happens, but "ez"? To be honest, there is no-one in this group that should take a super easy victory, though DRG could potentially trounce Genius + sc

JYP did knock DRG out of Code A a few seasons back.

I'm interested to see this group. I'm hoping Genius makes it out and surprises everyone. He looked really strong in his Up & Downs
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Witten
Profile Joined January 2011
United States2094 Posts
January 17 2012 04:12 GMT
#38
On January 17 2012 10:11 Kompicek wrote:
Not a single comment about zenio play? He is a liquid member is he not? Why? Dont really understand, was curious about his showing in code S.


It was bad.
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crazyweasel
Profile Joined March 2011
607 Posts
January 17 2012 04:13 GMT
#39
sc only cheeses. gogo drg and jyp
critique
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States135 Posts
January 17 2012 04:22 GMT
#40
I always learn so much from reading these; super convenient when im too busy to watch every game. Thanks for the great work wax.
GhandiEAGLE
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States20754 Posts
January 17 2012 04:55 GMT
#41
Meh, I think that JYP is going to pull through, because since he is on EG, he should be playing at the SlayerS house, where there are no shortage of top-level terrans for him to practice against.
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Olinimm
Profile Joined November 2011
1471 Posts
January 17 2012 05:16 GMT
#42
On January 17 2012 13:55 GhandiEAGLE wrote:
Meh, I think that JYP is going to pull through, because since he is on EG, he should be playing at the SlayerS house, where there are no shortage of top-level terrans for him to practice against.

Good practice partners doesn't mean you are necessarily going to be good.
gullberg
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Sweden1301 Posts
January 17 2012 05:28 GMT
#43
Expecting a second place finisher to advance. Massive mistake!
DYEAlabaster
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Canada1009 Posts
January 17 2012 05:55 GMT
#44
I think that if sC is feeling good enough to play well, he will clinch this group narrowly against DRG, but DRG and sC will advance
FuzzyJAM
Profile Joined July 2010
Scotland9300 Posts
January 17 2012 06:04 GMT
#45
Can't say I've ever really thought sC was nearly as good as he's hyped up to be. We'll see.
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tuho12345
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
4482 Posts
January 17 2012 06:32 GMT
#46
Both Protoss is gonna advance. Don't underestimate Genius when he's on fire lol.
Zinjil
Profile Joined February 2011
United States166 Posts
January 17 2012 06:45 GMT
#47
If there is any group that might screw up waxangel's amazing prediction record, I feel like it'll be this one. Genius has intermittently played like a superhero against people supposedly far above his level, and 3/4 people in the group being on the same team adds another huge layer of uncertainty, allowing for weird builds and cheeses that normally wouldn't work to get shoved in just because of the intimate knowledge of an opponent's playstyle and weaknesses.
Hall0wed
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States8486 Posts
January 17 2012 07:12 GMT
#48
On January 17 2012 11:51 bittman wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 17 2012 11:32 Hall0wed wrote:
JYP shouldn't pose that much of a threat


wut.

JYP will beat DRG if they match-up. ez


You mean this guy? (Z)DongRaeGu

vP: 17-6 (73.91%)

To be fair, JYP's PvZ is good, so I don't think it'll necessarily be as one sided as it could be if it happens, but "ez"? To be honest, there is no-one in this group that should take a super easy victory, though DRG could potentially trounce Genius + sc


Stats are cool and all, but DRG is pretty overrated ZvP atm. Maybe he'll show some different play today, but if he plays his standard ZvP and JYP and Genius studied then they both have a good chance to beat him.

Not that I want that to happen, DRG is one of the players I want to see win GSL the most. Whoever places top 2 of this group will deserve it and if it were possible I wouldn't mind having any of these 4 in the RO16.
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sickoota
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada918 Posts
January 17 2012 07:23 GMT
#49
Wouldn't count on Sc>JYP considering Sc's medical issues + JYP putting in a concerted effort to get better vs T. We'll see
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Seeker *
Profile Blog Joined April 2005
Where dat snitch at?37022 Posts
January 17 2012 07:55 GMT
#50
JYP please do good :[.....
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poboxy
Profile Joined October 2009
Canada48 Posts
January 17 2012 07:57 GMT
#51
Did I say that I like you Waxangel? No? O.K. I like you man!
Robinsa
Profile Joined May 2009
Japan1333 Posts
January 17 2012 08:21 GMT
#52
After reading the MVP coaches tweets after the Naniwa scandal I hope that as many MVP players as possible get eliminated in the first round.
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Lysanias
Profile Joined March 2011
Netherlands8351 Posts
January 17 2012 08:39 GMT
#53
On January 17 2012 13:55 GhandiEAGLE wrote:
Meh, I think that JYP is going to pull through, because since he is on EG, he should be playing at the SlayerS house, where there are no shortage of top-level terrans for him to practice against.


He's not at the slayers house yet, and even if he would be, don't expect a matchup problem to be fixed instantly by moving in with some good terrans ...

1. Sc (the guy knows how to abuse)
2. DRG
3. JYP
4. Genius (old warhorse or not never enjoyed his gameplay always to gimmicky for my liking)
Carbonthief
Profile Joined October 2010
United States289 Posts
January 17 2012 08:55 GMT
#54
I laughed at the alternative to mech and bio being CHEESE
yawnoC
Profile Joined December 2010
United States3704 Posts
January 17 2012 09:10 GMT
#55
On January 17 2012 09:38 Waxangel wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 17 2012 09:33 IMNotMvp wrote:
1st game is sc vs jyp


whoops, was working off an old edit of Liquipedia, my bad -_-

don't wanna mess up my 12/15 record D:

Stop padding your STATS!

Nice write up though. Enjoy these everytime :D
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weedhydra
Profile Joined October 2011
28 Posts
January 17 2012 09:14 GMT
#56
Good read, lots of information.

AgentChaos
Profile Joined July 2011
United Kingdom4569 Posts
January 17 2012 09:14 GMT
#57
jyp showed really good games in homestory cup so i believe in him
IM & EG supporter
Severian
Profile Joined September 2010
Australia2052 Posts
January 17 2012 09:30 GMT
#58
On January 17 2012 17:21 Robinsa wrote:
After reading the MVP coaches tweets after the Naniwa scandal I hope that as many MVP players as possible get eliminated in the first round.

So you want them to follow in Naniwa's footsteps?
Ladylou
Profile Joined January 2012
Denmark2 Posts
January 17 2012 09:41 GMT
#59
Nice write-up!
_Quasar_
Profile Joined October 2010
Russian Federation4405 Posts
January 17 2012 09:41 GMT
#60
That pic on the main page looks like Cheburashka. XD
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Waxangel
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
United States33350 Posts
January 17 2012 12:43 GMT
#61
8 - 0 streak for genius? wow :O
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lamo
Profile Joined March 2010
Lithuania17 Posts
January 17 2012 12:44 GMT
#62
well Genius destroyed the predictions And to top it off, was baller doing that loved that stalker dance and other celebrations ^^
Ollie
Profile Joined October 2011
United States144 Posts
January 17 2012 12:47 GMT
#63
I feel like these predictions have only been correct for week 1 xD
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NEOtheONE
Profile Joined September 2010
United States2233 Posts
January 17 2012 15:05 GMT
#64
I like how the predictions are consistently 50% accurate.
Abstracts, the too long didn't read of the educated world.
anApple
Profile Joined November 2011
Singapore275 Posts
January 17 2012 15:39 GMT
#65
Was hoping for sc to make it through but oh well
huehuehue
Miscellany
Profile Joined September 2011
Wales125 Posts
January 17 2012 16:49 GMT
#66
Very impressed with Genius, also excited to see more protoss representation later in the competition :D
Black.
Profile Joined August 2010
Brazil72 Posts
January 17 2012 18:32 GMT
#67
Great writeup! Agreed that DRG will ravage the group.

(minor correction: "He's the last in the class of players Protoss players like Killer, HongUn and Tester")
Lo and behold: the swarm is coming
shadowy
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Bulgaria305 Posts
January 17 2012 19:51 GMT
#68
Amazingly, I read that after watch the games. Wow..it's like Waxangel read the future.

Incredible analysis...gratz.

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Waxangel
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
United States33350 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-17 20:50:52
January 17 2012 20:50 GMT
#69
On January 18 2012 00:05 NEOtheONE wrote:
I like how the predictions are consistently 50% accurate.


With fionn near 0% and myself near 100%, that's a pretty fair assessment :D

well, not anymore after today
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Jonas :)
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States511 Posts
January 17 2012 20:51 GMT
#70
Awesome read. That LosirA-cat hugging a baneling picture at the end gets me every time
snively
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States1159 Posts
January 17 2012 22:00 GMT
#71
JYP fighting!

also: MMA totally crushed
My religion is Starcraft
Ruscour
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
5233 Posts
January 17 2012 22:08 GMT
#72
I like how the paragraph about Genius turned out to be as wrong as possible
hooahah
Profile Joined October 2011
3752 Posts
January 17 2012 23:06 GMT
#73
Genius is a baller, I don't get why he has such a bad reputation
Wyrd
Profile Joined May 2011
United States211 Posts
January 19 2012 05:18 GMT
#74
These are awesome, thanks so much. I can almost never watch GSL, so this is without a doubt the next best thing.
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ZergX
Profile Joined October 2010
France436 Posts
January 19 2012 18:09 GMT
#75
Genius was Excellent ! This group was amazing, had a lot of fun !
Nestea fightingg ! DRG fightingggg !! Sen fightinggg ! July fighting ! SoO fighting !
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