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[NASL] Grand Finals Preview / Playoffs Recap

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(Wiki)North American Star League Season 1

NASL Playoffs Recap / Grand Finals Preview
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Why You Should Come to the NASL Grand Finals

Playoff Recap

Game of the Week

I, for one, welcome our new Korean overlords.

It's still hard to believe that all of this is really happening. Three months ago, NASL started as one of the most ambitious projects in this game's short history. Trials and tribulations, those there were no shortage of. From missed games to inexperienced announcers, or problems with the player pool, it seemed like everyone had a bone to pick with the NASL.

And yet, here we are, days away from the Grand Final, where the NASL is prepared to realize and maybe even surpass all of its lofty goals. The sixteen players assembled in the finals represent a breadth of talent and international diversity that is unlike anything we've ever seen on a live stage. At the very least, this will be a one of a kind experience.

This weekend, NASL will have all of the elements needed to make this one of the greatest tournaments ever held.

I hope they pull it off.

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To hype up the NASL Grand Finals, we have invited Xeris as a special guest contributor. Working behind the scenes, Xeris has been deeply involved in NASL since day one.

The North American Star League will be unlike any event we have seen. We will be witnessing the best players competing on the biggest stage, for the most money we've seen outside Korea. Unlike tournaments such as MLG and Dreamhack that have a foreign majority, or the GSL which has a Korean majority, both worlds will have an equal presence at the NASL Grand Finals. Moon, BoxeR, MC, July, Squirtle, Alive, Zenio, and PuMa will represent Korea while Ret, Sheth, MorroW, HasuObs, Sen, DarkForcE, and White-Ra will represent “The World,” [SeleCT is the middle-man, essentially representing both Korea and the World!].


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The biggest question, is of course, will a foreigner be able to come out on top? One of the most interesting facts about NASL season one has been that, barring BoxeR, every Korean player has lost a game to a foreigner. Sure, the Koreans may have faced some disadvantages such as playing their games at 4am through unpredictable latency conditions, but that didn't stop them from dominating the Open Tournament and Season 2 qualifiers. There's no way around it: The Koreans faced the very best the world had to offer during the regular season.

Three Koreans couldn't even make it this far – oGs’s Ensnare narrowly kept his spot in the league, Startale’s Rainbow finished at the bottom of his division, and ST_Ace fell to the German terror, HasuObs in a deciding playoff match.

Looking at the foreign players; Ret earned his stripes by taking down MC in the regular season, Sheth defeated Moon, MorroW beat both Rainbow and Moon, Sen bested Zenio, DarkForcE topped Ensnare, and HasuObs edged out Ace (in addition, Strelok took down both NaDa and Squirtle). In fact, SeleCT is the only foreigner in the finals who failed to defeat a Korean player, although in his words, he took it easy against MC in his final group stage match.

The LAN environment, however, is a game changer. Outside LiquidHuK's incredible tournament run last June, Koreans at LAN events have been almost unbeatable (and many will argue that HuK's success was due to his Korean training). Despite HuK taking 1st place, places 2nd through 4th were occupied by Koreans at DreamHack, while at MLG Columbus the top 3 place finishers were all Korean.


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There are some terrific match-ups in the first round. Sheth, a foreigner who has landed on the Korean home front matches up against Squirtle, the pioneer of international invasion himself. We have DarkForcE, an unexpected yet dangerous dark horse player takes on yet another surprise entrant, and team Korea's own underdog in Alive. HasuObs, whose dramatic victory over Ace gave him a coveted spot at this prestigious event is going to be playing Moon, whose seeks to purge himself of the regret from DreamHack.

If you’re a lover of ZvZ then you won’t want to miss Zenio against Sen, who are some of the best ZvZ players in the world. One player who won’t be playing ZvZ however, is Sweden’s MorroW, who has officially announced his switch to playing Terran against Zerg against the Brood War legend, July. A virtual unknown until a few weeks ago, TSL_PuMa has torn through all competitions lately, including Code-A, GSTL, and finally the NASL Open Tournament to earn a shot at regular season champion LiquidRet. Both players came from humble backgrounds, and in fact it is very likely that they were both practice partners in the eSTRO pro-gaming house at the same time in the fall of 2009. Interestingly enough, their paths cross again!

The Beast From the East, who managed to advance to the Grand Finals despite only playing six of his nine matches (two of which were forfeit losses, and one of which was a forfeit win) is going to duke it out with SeleCT, the in-betweener of the tournament. SeleCT and White-Ra both have incredibly unconventional styles based off of harassment and aggression. White-Ra is one of the most prominent user of the warp prism, oftentimes to deadly effect, while SeleCT himself has claimed that his multitasking is ‘the best’.

And last, but not least, we’ll be seeing MC, the head of the first very Starcraft II dynasty go up against the one known simply as the Emperor.


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These undoubtedly amazing games will be made even better by the stellar group of announcers who will cast the event. The casting archon, Tasteless and Artosis will be flying from South Korea to lend their unique flavor to the games. Their reputation has reached legendary status and they are widely considered the best English casting duo ever to pick up a mic. Joined by them will be Day9, who retired as a professional gamer in 2007 and has been one of the biggest community men ever since. His contributions range from running tournaments, providing countless insight and analysis for new players, and as we all know, using his charm and wit on the broadcast stage. And of course, where would we be without our own anchors, iNcontroL and Gretorp. These two full-time progamers have shouldered the burden and carried the league all the way from its inception until now. These five casters will enhance what already promises to be a most epic event.


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The Grand Finals are the culmination of a long labor of love that began in November of 2010. Back then, the NASL wasn't much more than a fantasy, a ‘wouldn’t this be cool?' idea. We had seen OSL and MSL for ten years, and we had just seen the creation of the new GSL as well. Could we, a ragtag group of e-Sports fans, with our motley agglomeration of talent and experience, re-create that pinnacle of e-Sports experience, for the first time in America? And so, we built this studio from the ground up and worked hard every day to prove that if you have enough passion, desire, and motivation, you can make anything a reality.

Whether the NASL lasts 3 seasons or 300, we believe that we're leaving a positive impact on the community. We've spent more nights than we care to count, working in the office until 4 AM, since we know that it's all worth it. Because as much as we're excited to run a tournament and crown a worthy champion, in the end we know that it's the members of the Starcraft II community who are the true winners.

So to all the long-time fans, casual viewers tuning in, or naysayers giving us a final chance: the NASL Season 1 Grand Finals will be one to remember. The greatest players in the world, in front of the greatest fans in the world, playing for a prize worthy of them. That's what we sought out to achieve, and we hope you will enjoy the weekend, the games, and all the fun.


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NASL Playoffs Recap


by confusedcrib

Bracket One

(Z)Zenio < 2 : 1 > (T)dde - Don't watch this, it was messy
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I no longer like to watch Zenio's ZvT. Although he managed to take games one and three off of DDE, his play style seemed so unrefined that I didn't very much enjoy it. In game one DDE was far ahead of Zenio after a big timing push, but Zenio relied on a hidden fourth base to keep his economy going. He nearly lost several times until he got enough broodlords out to finish off the vikingless DDE.

That takes us to game two, on Tal'Darim Altar, where DDE was able to clearly out play Zenio, using well timed pushes and positioning to whittle Zenio's army down enough to take the game. But if there is an opposite of Idra, it is Zenio, at least for this game. The game was pretty clearly decided for about the last five or ten minutes, but Zenio didn't gg until he was down to one base rebuilding his spawning pool.

Game three caused me some physical pain. DDE went for a maka two barracks, making it look like a one barracks expand and even got multiple bunkers up outside Zenio's main. Zenio pumped a ton of zerglings and was able to barely hold before the marines would have killed his hatchery. The speedling counter attack got to DDE's base just before his barracks landed for the wall off, and that was game.

Zenio man, I don't really like the way you've been playing lately. Watching this series made me want to take a shower. Zenio barely won his two games, and in such a messy way. He didn't scout very well, his aggressive timings didn't seem to be based on anything, and he didn't control very well in big army engagements.


(Z)IdrA < 2 : 0 > (P)MaNa - Moletrap summarized this series better than I can: "poor Mana." Poor Mana indeed. Watch it IF you like to watch Zerg dominating.
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In game one Idra was able to mess with Mana in the early game, using his drone and zerglings to scout everything and pressure early on. Mana's entire build got delayed as a result. Idra took advantage of the delay by doing his favorite thing - S n' D. Idra then exploded with huge numbers of roaches and hydras off his powerful economy, and was able to use a multi-pronged drop to kill of Mana's main base and third base. The game continued for a little longer as Mana tried to stabilize, but he was simply too far behind and was forced to gg.

It becomes really obvious when Idra thinks he has a game won and just stops trying. That's exactly what happened in game two, but Idra was so far ahead that it didn't matter. Idra was able to abuse Mana's unsafe opening with a roach ling timing that nearly killed Mana outright as he is tried to get his third base. Idra then just pulled back and sends wave after wave of roach baneling zergling infestor broodlord until Mana could no longer hold.

The casters constantly mentioned during these games that Mana feels very uncomfortable at PvZ at the moment, and it really showed. Mana's openings were hesitant in their execution and tended to go down every tech path at once. Hopefully Mana is able to improve as time goes on, as he's a great player to watch.


(Z)Zenio < 2 : 0 > (Z)IdrA - Cheesy games, but they're not so basic that they should be dismissed out of hand.
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Well, in game one Zenio opened with a ten pool into ling/baneling play against Idra's hatch first. Zenio got some good banelings hits off and took the game. Not that I need to say it, but there was no gg.

Zenio: Where's the gg?
Idra: Earn it

In game two, Zenio opened ling baneling into roach, and then delayed his third for a surprise mutalisk attack. Idra just wasn't prepared for the 13 sudden mutalisks and was forced to leave the game.

I really didn't like the way that Zenio played. He took a lot of risks and relied on surprise tactics for almost every ZvZ. I wouldn't expect him to beat Sen in the grand finals.



Bracket Two

(T)NaDa < 2 : 1 > (P)TT1 - Watch this series. Both played very aggressively, perhaps to a fault (but in a way that made for some dramatic games)
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For game one, TT1 went for a six gate timing attack, and since Nada was going for medivacs before adding on additional barracks he didn't have enough infantry, despite four bunkers, to hold the attack. Despite TT1 having a big advantage after the initial battle, he made a foolish decision to run into Nada's main and ignore his army. That puts TT1 in a terrible position where he ended up donating most of his army. After Nada cleaned up that army, he counter attacked for the win.

If there's such a thing as economic cheese, that's what TT1 executed in game two. He went for nexus first, and then grabbed a third when he only had three or four units. TT1 almost threw away his huge lead after losing a ton of units through another positioning error, but his warpgate reinforcements allowed him to kill Nada's army and secure the win.

In game three both players opened with some big one base aggression. Both players were defiant, doing their best to just not die to eachother. After one basing back and forth, both players were forced to expand. Nada was able to keep up with a better tempo, keeping TT1 on the defensive for the majority of the game. TT1 barely got his tech out in time (medivacs) for when TT1's big gateway push hit is front. Nada forced TT1's army to retreat and was able to chase it down and force TT1 to gg.


(Z)MorroW < 2 : 0 > (P)Socke - Amazing army composition by Morrow that was able to demolish everything Sock Tried. Watch it
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In game one Socke opens with air pressure into an expansion while Morrow just droned like crazy while defending against air with the bare minimum required. Socke pushes out at a nice timing with the standard colossus stalker composition, which Morrow completely rolled over with infestor zergling, barely losing any supply. Truly a must watch for Zergs.

In game two, Morrow got zergling speed at 8:30, and literally did not have a single fighting unit until 9:00. Morrow went for a massive speedling baneling drop while droning up to 95 harvesters. Socke held with fairly few losses and then pushes out with zealot, stalker, templar sentry, only to get rolled by an even bigger zergling, baneling, infestor army. Another must watch game - but feel free to fast forward to about 12 minutes in, up until then it's just drones and probes.


(T)NaDa < 1 : 2 > (Z)MorroW - Watch Morrow make a lot of drones and completely out play Nada. Watch it if you really like the matchup
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In game one, for whatever reason, Morrow decided to go for his well known early baneling bust, but due to Nada's bunker and marine spacing, it failed miserably. Morrow's follow up baneling bust was almost enough to break Nada, but Nada barely held on again. Once siege tech was finished, Nada prevented any further busts and forced Morrow to gg. A good demonstration of baneling bust defense.

In game two we saw Morrow completely outplay Nada, which is no easy task. After Morrow used the bare minimum of troops to hold Nada's initial push, he was able to drone up to ninety drones virtually uncontested. After Nada held off three waves of muta ling baneling, Morrow got infestors, corrupters, and Brood Lords up, finally able to force the gg.

Game three had Nada just not playing aggressive enough to make Morrow stop drone production. Despite his blue flame hellions doing some good damage, Morrow got into an incredibly good economic position. He was able to throw away his baneling muta army, use spine crawlers to delay, remake a new infestor - brood lord army and take the final game.



Bracket Three

(P)Ace < 2 : 1 > (T)BRAT_OK - Maybe Watch it. It's the sort of series were you want to fast forward to the big battles because they're pretty, but other than that, there really isn't too much action.
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Game One: Brat_OK went for a nicely timed ghost push that had the potential to win the game but he got overconfident and miss microed just enough to let Ace get the few extra shots he needed to come out ahead. Ace got his third base up earlier than Brat_OK but threw away his lead in a poorly planned attack. Brat_OK came out far enough ahead to just counter attack for the win.

Game Two: Brat_OK went for an inventive opener, involving a two barracks raven expand. He went to pressure Ace, but Ace used some amazing forcefields to kill half of Brat_OK's army for free, forcing Brat_OK to pull back. Ace then repaid the favor by getting into a poor engagement, donating a lot of his stalkers in turn.. Afterwards, Brat_OK's follow up push was almost enough to take the game, but Ace barely defended with warp in reinforcements.

Twenty minutes later...

With a mothership covering the battlefield, Ace comes out on top after the maxed armies clash.

Game Three: To wrap up an otherwise exciting series, Ace six gates! And it works!


(T)Fenix < 0 : 2 > (P)HasuObs - Fenix didn't show up, so HasuObs got to advance.


(P)Ace < 1 : 2 > (P)HasuObs - Pretty exciting PvP with both sides making some mistakes, but the series was still fun to watch.
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Game One: Ace got his third pylon inside his main, which indicated that he was not doing the most hardcore four gate on Tal'Darim Altar, a map where four gating is practically a requirement (no one-FF ramps anywhere). Meanwhile, HasuObs went four gate, and we all know who wins a four gate vs. a three gate where you can't block the ramp, so HasuObs took the game.

Game Two: Ace was able to contain HasuObs with blink stalkers and sentries while he expanded. HasuObs cancelled his robo bay after it was scouted and instead went for a four gate + immortal one base all in. By the time the engagement occurred though, Ace was up in production and economy and easily held the attack.

Game Three: Both players were very manner and copied eachothers expand based openings. While HasuObs did the more intuitive followup, with a third base and more colossi, upgrades, and stalkers; Ace instead proxied two stargates, researched air weapons and begins stockpiling Void Rays. HasuObs only scouted it once he was near maxed and unable to build anything in response. This doesn't really matter, however, as in the aftermath of a major engagement, HasuObs' warped in stalkers are more than a match for the voidrays. The composition ends up not panning out for Ace and he was forced to concede the win to HasuObs.



Bracket Four

(P)NaNiwa < 2 : 0 > (P)Axslav
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Game One: Axslav did a great hold of Nani's four gate, using his small probe advantage attained from doing a defensive four gate to come out ahead. Axslav added on his robo slightly after Naniwa but managed to squeeze in an expansion. It seemed like a pretty brilliant follow-up, netting himself an to force Naniwa to attack, but at the same time getting an equally timed colossus. Despite this great followup, Naniwa was actually ahead on probes, with Axslav cutting too many to hold an attack that never came. Naniwa just took it slow, turning the game around and taking the win later with a superior colossus count to win the game.

Game two can't be found on Justin.TV


(T)SjoW < 1 : 2 > (Z)DarKFoRcE - Sjow is amazing at slow pushing but DarkForce had good tech timings. Very good TvZ to watch.
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Game One: Sjow went for some Hellion pressure but due to some uncharacteristically poor micro he lost all of them for nothing. Darkforce almost went for a huge baneling bust to make use of his forced zerglings, but smartly pulled back after seeing Sjows large marine tank army. Sjow got his third base up and began a very well executed slow push down to DarkForce's base. DarkForce got brood lords out right before Sjow could prepared for them, and barely took the win.

Game Two: Sjow's opening push was shut down quite handily by Darkforce. Sjow followed up rather quickly with a slow push with turrets and bunkers that took multiple attempts from DarkForce to break. Sjow was able to get his third up quickly and just outpower Darkforce for the win.

Game Three: After a ling counter attack during a Terran two base timing push, both players come out wounded and pretty even ground. From there, the match turned into a 50 minute slugfest until the entire map was mined out. In the end, Sjow just couldn't put together the right composition to fight against infestor brood lord.


(P)NaNiwa <0 : 2> (Z)DarKFoRcE - watch these matches, Darkforce shows the strength of roach hydra corrupter when done creatively and with proper positioning.
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Game One: Naniwa opened stargate, but Darkforce did a nice job defending. In a close game the ensued, DarkForce was able to dismantle Naniwa with some great roach into infestor play.

Game Two: Naniwa again opened stargate, but this time Darkforce got a lot of mutalisks that did great damage to an unsuspecting Naniwa. He then put together an interesting mix of ling / hydra / muta. DarkForce got roaches and corrupters out just as Naniwa pushed, and due to some great positioning and micro, he is was able to dominate Naniwa's army and do some major damage in the counterattack before Naniwa can clean it up. In the second major engagement, with DarkForce again got the better of Naniwa with good army positioning. He transitioned to brood lords to secure the victory.



Bracket Five

(P)MC < 2 : 0 > (P)CrunCher - Pretty good PvP's, MC makes smart moves and has great micro.
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Game One: MC went blink stalkers while Cruncher rushed a little too quickly for colossus, not even getting an immortal first. MC managed to blink past a forcefield and the game was quickly over.

Game Two: Cruncher did a much safer robo build this game, getting immortals out before colossus. MC took advantage of that by expanding. There' was good micro from both sides as Cruncher moved out with his one base colossus, but MC was able to hold convincingly, with only the colossus surviving for Cruncher. Cruncher went for one more push that MC was able to beat with a ton of immortals and take the game.


(P)KiWiKaKi < 2 : 1 > (Z)MoMaN - Fun PvZ worth watching, both of the players used very creative styles.
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Game One: Moman went for a super early pool to force KiwiKaki to lose his forge and pylon from his forge FE. Kiwikaki decided to proxy three gateways at Momans third in response, but Moman was making enough speedlings to defend. The speedlings counter attacked and killed a lot of probes, as well as the one cannon KiwiKaki managed to get up. Kikikaki tried a quick air transition to change his fortune, but was finished off by a hydra-ling push.

Game Two: KiwiKaki went for a huge blink stalker timing and used some fantastic micro to come out ahead of Moman's roach-hydra with his +2 weapons upgrade.

Game Three: Moman almost got a lucky win, going for a hydra ling all in while KiwiKaki happened to be going for an air opening. Kiwi barely held on though with some great forcefields and emergency cannons. He followed up by rushing for colossus. Moman was behind in economy, and being forced to stay on roach hydra against a colossus based army cost him the game.


(P)MC < 2 : 0 > (P)KiWiKaKi - MC just outplayed Kiwikaki, not worth watching
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Game One: MC went for a four gate, but KiwiKaki was barely able to hold with his smart three gate into blink stalker. MC was able to pull back before he sustained too many losses though, getting robo tech without being too far behind. Both players went into four gate + immortal + blink off of one base, neither being able to expand without putting himself in immediate danger. MC choose to focus more heavily on immortals, and this handed him the victory once the two armies clashed in the decisive battle.

Game Two: MC offensive four gated while KiwiKaki defensive four gated. MC's micro was just slightly better in the initial engagement, and that is enough to take the game.

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KiwiKaki vs MoMan on Terminus


The highlight game of the play-offs is another great ZvP, thought I really think I ought to be giving other match-ups some love. However, they simply aren't producing the goods right now in NASL. The entire series between Kiwi and Moman is one well worth seeing, as both these players are very creative and fun to watch; the following game being a prime example.


The game begins with Kiwi spawning at the 9 o'clock position and MoMan at the 6 o'clock. The chess game begins almost immediately with the Zerg choosing to 8pool while Kiwi looks to going for a forge expand. Kiwi is the first to find his opponent and immediately scouts the early pool with MoMan's overlord scouting the low-ground pylon and forge seconds later.

The first round of lings pop and head right for the Protoss main, but Kiwi is one step ahead, he immediately throws down a cannon at his main mineral line, 6 lings run right by the forge and in to the Protoss main to be greeted by the warping cannon and MoMan decides that the unprotected pylon and forge are a better target for now.

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Meanwhile Kiwi has hidden a proxy pylon at the Zerg's 3rd location and follows it with 3 gateways, he cunningly places the gateways to make it almost impossible for the Zerg to attack the pylon.

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Kiwi builds an extra gateway back at his main, allowing him both to disguise his intent with the proxy gates and to provide some small protect for his main. Believing he has foiled Kiwi's plans, Moman begins to Drone pump and take his first gas. The lings run back in to Kiwi's main and this time are greeted by an operational cannon.

The proxy gates have now finished and Kiwi is Chronoing out Zealots as fast as he can while the last 3 lings continue to run around the Protoss main. Moman is still pumping drones, thinking he is completely safe, but a scouting ling spots 3 advancing Zealots as they run up the ramp from the 3rd to the nat. 5 Zealots waltz in to the Zerg's main completely uncontested and begin to go to work, 12 lings pop and moman pulls everything he has in to the defence. Some incredible kiting micro by Kiwi means that he only loses one zealot in the first engagement while Moman takes slightly more significant loses.

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Kiwi decides that his best move for the moment is to wait at the Zerg's ramp while he waits for his next round of Zealots to finish and Moman continues to pump lings. The Zealots move in once more and kill a morphing Spinecrawler but are then quickly surrounded by lings and drones. Having dealt with the pressure for now Moman sends his ling force out for a counter but then decides to go for the proxy gates instead. The placement of the gates and pylons prove to be too good for any significant damage to be done before Kiwi's Zealots are able to defend them however and the lings have to fall back to the Zerg main.

Kiwi has been making probes while Moman has been forced to make only lings and the Zerg is stuck on only 14 drones. The Zealots return to the Zerg main for another attack and once more get surrounded, but this time Kiwi manages to position them in a more effective formation.

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Just as it seems the Zealots will be cleaned up, 2 Stalkers arrive at the party but are also quickly surrounded and killed. It seems the rush is finally over as Moman has enough lings to deal with any newly spawning units while he works on killing the proxy gates.

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The worker count stands at 14 to 24 in favour of the Protoss, however Kiwi still only has 1 gateway, 1 cannon and a cyber core back at his base. With the Proxy gates gone it looks like he might be in some trouble and Kiwi decides that a Stargate is his best option for a follow up. With the rush now dealt with, Moman begins to pump drones once more and starts to level the playing field. The Zerg finally expands at the 11 minute mark as the first Voidray begins to build.

A huge ling force arrives at Kiwi's main, but some excellent worker micro allows the 1 stalker and 1 cannon to do significant damage and Kiwi cleans up the army losing only his cannon and about 8 Probes.

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Having seen the Stargate, Moman begins to build multiple Queens as he still only has a spawning pool and 2 Hatches. The creep spread has not yet connected the main and nat but MoMan already has 2 Queens in his main ready to fight. Upon reaching the Zerg main the first Voidray turns tail and instead begins to start picking off outlying Overlords. After making a second Voidray, Kiwi begins Phoenix production. Moman sends a ling counter to the Protoss main, Kiwi has very little defence but somehow manages to clean up the attack.

The supply and worker counts both favour the Zerg heavily but Kiwi has the tech advantage for now and keeps Moman occupied with the Voidrays. Kiwi finally expands as his Phoenix force becomes large enough to pick up the majority of Momans 5 Queens. The Hydralisk den has finished but Moman has yet to produce any, and the Voidrays roll in with Phoenix support and go to work on Momans Queens. However, Kiwi makes a huge misstep and doesn't lift all the Queens and instead allows them to transfuse, leading to the loss of BOTH his voidrays. Kiwi does manage to kill off 3 Queens with the Phoenix before Hydralisks arrive to drive them off.

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The game settles down as Kiwi finally has a small standing army back home of Sentries and Zealots. Moman is going for mass Hydras and sends them to the front of the Protoss nat accompanied by a small ling force. Kiwi throws down 3 more cannons just before the attack hits and the fight is on. The forcefields from Kiwi aren't great and combined the excellent range of the Hydras it spells doom for Kiwi's Zealots. The second set of FF's are much better but only delay the inevitable push forward in to the nat.

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Moman brings in more and more lings and Hydras along with some overlords to absorb cannon shots and distract the small flock of Phoenix. When the FF's finally break Kiwi is forced to pull all the probes from his nat in to the fight as he is left with only Sentries in his army. Moman decides to focus the Cannons as they are the only thing dealing significant damage at this point; once they fall the Sentries and Probes follow quickly. Kiwi warps in some last ditch Stalkers but there are simply too many Hydras for him to deal with and he is forced to GG.

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In our last article, I pointed out a few players in the Open Tournament whom I thought were interesting and could potentially qualify for Season Two. Well, a funny thing happened on the way to “press” -- an entire Korean proteam signed up for the event! So I was a little off with some of my predictions. ThorZaiN and NightEnD looked good in the tournament, both qualifying for next season, but the others didn’t do as well. Minigun ran into MajOr in the Round of 64, who then ran into a Korean (Heart). DeMusliM made it to the Round of 16 where he lost to LoWeLy. DIMAGA decided that chilling on TaKe’s couch was more important than the NASL qualifier, and YourFriend -- despite the best support I know you gave him -- lost to LzGaMeR in the first round.

Koreans have done pretty well the last few weeks. They went 33-0 by series against non-Koreans in the Open Tournament, and did phenomenally well in the Season Two Qualifier (all but three of the last sixteen players were Korean). Of the twelve players replaced by new qualifiers following last season, nine are Korean. Entire teams signed up for the tournaments and a chance to play in the NASL. The NASL is quickly becoming infused with Korean talent, and a lot of people seem to be worried, or at least seem to think that this is another opportunity to mock a foreign league. I think they’re missing a very important point.

Everyone wants to see the best players play against the best players. Everyone knows that you have to compete against the Koreans to be considered serious, and (up until now -- spoiler alert!) that Korea is the only place to do that. If you wanted to become great, you had to make the trip to Korea, the promised land, and see if you had what it takes.

That’s a great story, but TT1 here and Xeris here have noted the high costs involved in trying to get into the GSL as a non-Korean, costs that have nothing to do with Starcraft play. Even if you can play well, find success, and have a team to support you, you might begin to notice the value of having your friends and family less than thousands of miles away and decide that it’s not worth it to you (e.g., TLO, Ret). Even if you’re given a free ride to Code A (or are already safely in Code S!), it might not make sense to take it. And as explained in those posts, the economic incentives right now just don’t support a system whereby people who do well in the foreigner scene ought to try to “make it” in Korea and forsake all the potential income from other tournaments.

The core concerns in both Xeris’s and TT1's critiques of the then-status quo were the barriers to entry into the GSL from non-Korean players. NASL provides an opportunity for foreigners to play with Koreans -- the best in the world -- without imposing those barriers to entry, i.e., the costs of traveling to a foreign country, establishing yourself there, and cutting yourself off from friends, family, teammates, and (importantly) local events.

This isn’t a simple case of “to beat the best you have to play the best,” where foreigners will have an opportunity to play against Koreans. At most, players are going to play a couple of best-of-threes against Korean pros in the course of the eight week regular season, which by itself isn’t going to make anyone good. But there’s the opportunity to compete with the Koreans, to compare one’s performance to the Korean pros, and to be heartened by victories over them. Now, all the reasons to want to go to Korea to play exist in a venue where most of the costs have been mitigated or removed entirely. (And yes, some additional costs are imposed on the Koreans -- lag, inconvenient schedule, etc. But SlayerS, TSL, oGs, fOu, and StarTale don’t seem to consider them too onerous. Compare those to requiring the Koreans to move to Los Angeles to play and forsake Korean events.)

Is this good for the development of eSports in North America, or is it just the Koreans stealing our money? The NASL FAQ mentions that one of its goals is to “foster the prominence” of eSports, and I’d say that broadcasting a league with the top players in the world at North American “prime time” certainly counts -- look at that bar in Seattle that now hosts Starcraft nights. The NASL isn’t going to act as a farm system to let people get better so they can try their hand in tougher leagues, but why should it? They want to “bring [viewers] the best experience [they] can,” and including the best players in the world will certainly do that.

I’m sure some players in North America (and Europe, and Latin America) will be inspired to train hard and develop more institutional infrastructure to support Starcraft 2 because of the opportunity to play against Koreans presented by the NASL. (And don’t forget their sponsors, whose players will now be competing in a premiere league broadcast all over the world -- don’t fail to note that as more top Koreans enter the league, the critique that the NASL has a less talented player base loses its relevance.) It’s not that the NASL is becoming a “Korean” league -- it’s becoming a league with great players. For many years, that was synonymous with “Korean,” and due to the structure of the system, it involved physically being in Korea, but not anymore. Rather than work on integrating foreigners into the Korean pro-scene, the NASL addresses the issue from the opposite direction, creating an international league in which Korean pros may play. (Of course, it must be noted that the two approaches are in no way exclusive.) As the NASL develops, it’s going to provide an opportunity for the potential development of great players from all around the world. Which will lead to a larger and better developed Starcraft community; isn’t that what we all want?

The final criticism: what about its name, you say, the North American Star League? Well, it’s broadcast in North American prime time (and seemingly every other prime time, on re-run) and the offices are located in sunny Southern California -- isn’t that enough for the name? Remember that the GSL stands for “Global Starcraft II League,” and to play in it you basically have to live in one single country, if not one city in that country. If it’s disingenuous to call the NASL “North American,” maybe we could change its name to something more appropriate for what it really is . . . how about the Global Starcraft II League?


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KameZerg
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Sweden1764 Posts
July 07 2011 12:12 GMT
#2
Great write-up!
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Sweden187 Posts
July 07 2011 12:15 GMT
#3
Great read! Gonna tune in for this for sure! :D gogogo NASL!!
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July 07 2011 12:16 GMT
#4
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United States378 Posts
July 07 2011 12:16 GMT
#5
I think the GSL is called the Global Starcraft League because it's the best players in the Global.
Of course you have to live in Korea to be the best player in the Global - don't be silly.

That being said, NASL doesn't make sense because they aren't trying to figure out who's the best player in north america. It's also trying to find global winner
Playoffs? You're talking about playoffs?
Massing
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Germany354 Posts
July 07 2011 12:16 GMT
#6
On July 07 2011 21:12 ICanFlyLow wrote:
Great write-up!


read it in 2 minutes? wish i could read that fast
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Russian Federation131 Posts
July 07 2011 12:17 GMT
#7
angelic voice! lmao
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Czech Republic54 Posts
July 07 2011 12:18 GMT
#8
awesome article
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France1030 Posts
July 07 2011 12:19 GMT
#9
two minutes to read, you're the best icanflylow.
BlueSpace
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Germany2182 Posts
July 07 2011 12:20 GMT
#10
Apart from being super excited about the event and finally seeing the season come to an end... If Incontrol shows up with the hat from the banner at the event, I don't care if I only see 6 pools and cannon rushes. It will have been worth it
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probob
Profile Joined March 2011
Germany227 Posts
July 07 2011 12:20 GMT
#11
Thats some really creative stuff right there. Love the pictures of Day9 and Geoff.
Did anyone else try to click the bolded Watch this game? Haha
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Nivek
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United States119 Posts
July 07 2011 12:24 GMT
#12
Amazing job, but that picture of Day9 will haunt my nightmares.
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United States104 Posts
July 07 2011 12:27 GMT
#13
On July 07 2011 21:24 Nivek wrote:
Amazing job, but that picture of Day9 will haunt my nightmares.


QFT


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DisaFear
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Australia4074 Posts
July 07 2011 12:27 GMT
#14
Nicely done , hyperhyped again
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Sweden1126 Posts
July 07 2011 12:28 GMT
#15
Hyyyyyyyyyyyyype! =D
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China10928 Posts
July 07 2011 12:29 GMT
#16
On July 07 2011 21:27 FaiL_SaFe wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 07 2011 21:24 Nivek wrote:
Amazing job, but that picture of Day9 will haunt my nightmares.


QFT

I for one can't stop staring at it O_O
schben
Profile Joined June 2011
Germany60 Posts
July 07 2011 12:29 GMT
#17
I always thought GSL means Gom-TV Starcraft II league.
Great read and always something new to learn for me.
OminouS
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Sweden1343 Posts
July 07 2011 12:29 GMT
#18
On July 07 2011 21:24 Nivek wrote:
Amazing job, but that picture of Day9 will haunt my nightmares.


I agree, reminds me of the Hot & Pretty progamer girls thread. I'm afraid of going to bed.
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Korea (South)2582 Posts
July 07 2011 12:33 GMT
#19
Good write up and lol-worthy pictures.
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Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States37 Posts
July 07 2011 12:34 GMT
#20
I can't wait to tune in to Tastosis cast the NASL. Great write up! You never fail to impress
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Profile Blog Joined April 2011
5233 Posts
July 07 2011 12:39 GMT
#21
Team Liquid's journalistic quality is equal to the absolute value of Kotaku's.
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United States3248 Posts
July 07 2011 12:39 GMT
#22
For some reason I saw the body first so I was like "oh wow, what are they doing using tha... :<"
Malgrif
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Canada1095 Posts
July 07 2011 12:41 GMT
#23
i hope foreigners make a stand and don't just crumble!
for there to be pro there has to be noob.
Molarrr
Profile Joined January 2011
Denmark70 Posts
July 07 2011 12:41 GMT
#24
Have to go on vacation saturday
Would rather watch NASL
Wash your hands kids!
phanto
Profile Joined October 2010
Sweden708 Posts
July 07 2011 12:43 GMT
#25
I love the artwork in this article
Very nice hype. I hope the NASL guys can pull off a great stable stream and the players some really good matches!
Dispersion
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Korea (South)504 Posts
July 07 2011 12:44 GMT
#26
Casting archon is going to make this one of the best finals of all time!!
Don't worry. Taht's just Halo
Scereye
Profile Joined November 2010
Austria154 Posts
July 07 2011 12:47 GMT
#27
The only part i dont like is the "Dimaga decided chilling on takes couch..." etc. but whatever.

Nice read and good artworks. All in all kickass article
ishboh
Profile Joined October 2010
United States954 Posts
July 07 2011 12:51 GMT
#28
I love the world war II themed 'propaganda' type hype. lets hope that its not all hype and that the finals can be pulled off pretty decently...
leecH
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany385 Posts
July 07 2011 12:53 GMT
#29
wow nice read. im hyped now. i hope NASL will fill the hole convention center! america the rest of the world believes in you don´t dissappoint us :D

<3 NASL
hmc
Profile Joined July 2011
495 Posts
July 07 2011 12:54 GMT
#30
Amazing write-up as usual, always a fun read.

Thanks TL! <3
The KY
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United Kingdom6252 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-07 13:03:41
July 07 2011 12:54 GMT
#31
Wait WAIT WAIT WAIT WAIT.

Morrow is playing TvZ vs July?

What the fuck is he THINKING? July's ZvZ is famously bad! So is Morrows, but July's ZvT is famously good! You fucking lunatic Morrow!
JohnnyYen
Profile Joined September 2010
United States313 Posts
July 07 2011 12:55 GMT
#32
Goddamned if we aren't treated to the bestest graphics made by man! :D

Sweet that Inc and Gretorp will be back on casting duties, holy quacamole!

Without motbob, I thought the finals would never come!
Furycrab
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada456 Posts
July 07 2011 12:55 GMT
#33
Loved the Final comments write up!

I don't think it can be stressed enough that people on the east coast can actually watch good starcraft 2 games at reasonable times. Funny enough though... Since NASL started, I've phased out a lot of my GSL watching <.<.
Too tired to come up with something witty.
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Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States5684 Posts
July 07 2011 12:56 GMT
#34
Can the NASL schedule be put on the TL Calendar? I can't find it
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Klaent
Profile Joined October 2010
Sweden374 Posts
July 07 2011 12:56 GMT
#35
On July 07 2011 21:20 probob wrote:
Did anyone else try to click the bolded Watch this game? Haha

Yup =P

I agree with the whole Koreans in NASL thing. Bring more of them, the best of the best should be in the league.
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HellGreen
Profile Joined September 2010
Denmark1146 Posts
July 07 2011 12:58 GMT
#36
Thumbs up for NASL - thank you for season 1, looking forward to finals + season 2
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Czech Republic745 Posts
July 07 2011 13:00 GMT
#37
Whoever did the images for this article is a fucking genius. Now i shall read it ^_^
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Profile Joined February 2011
Germany50 Posts
July 07 2011 13:01 GMT
#38
I hope Boxer can somehow manage to make it far into the finals
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iNViCiOUZ
Profile Joined January 2011
Germany364 Posts
July 07 2011 13:01 GMT
#39
Nice writeup.
Sounds like some fun matches to watch!

I ahve to pay 25 bucks to watch the vods, right?
shangul
Profile Joined March 2011
Switzerland27 Posts
July 07 2011 13:04 GMT
#40
At first I thought there are to many Koreans in the NASL, but i changed my mind. It doesn't matter if they are Koreans Americans Europeans. What matters is that they are the best players in the world. And I want to see the best duke it out to find out who is the best.
I'm looking forward to seeing all the great battles this weekend.
Sweeeet

HelloxD
Profile Joined May 2011
378 Posts
July 07 2011 13:08 GMT
#41
moon will win this tournament
CTStalker
Profile Blog Joined November 2004
Canada9720 Posts
July 07 2011 13:16 GMT
#42
i like the format of these latest articles, but i think you guys should use different fonts. the fonts you've chosen just seem kind of out-of-place.

other than that bit of nit-picky criticism, great job!
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R0YAL
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
United States1768 Posts
July 07 2011 13:17 GMT
#43
So thats what Day[9] looks like in a thong..

Can't wait for the event! Super pumped.
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Flowjo
Profile Joined March 2011
United States928 Posts
July 07 2011 13:23 GMT
#44
wow confusedcrib, your comments against Zenio are ridiculous......like seriously.
IMNestea's biggest fan.
Bloodash
Profile Joined April 2010
Netherlands1384 Posts
July 07 2011 13:25 GMT
#45
definitely gonna make sure I'm all free for the weekend, bring it!
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Profile Blog Joined August 2010
4849 Posts
July 07 2011 13:26 GMT
#46
On July 07 2011 22:17 R0YAL wrote:
So thats what Day[9] looks like in a thong..

Can't wait for the event! Super pumped.


The worst part is that his "Angelic voice" seems to come from the rear end of the body...

Anyways, on topic:
Great writeup. NASL Finals will be exciting. Will be interesting to see MorroWs TvZ.
Faraday5001
Profile Joined May 2011
England51 Posts
July 07 2011 13:27 GMT
#47
that day[9] photoshop was just...wrong... yet so right
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wacksteven
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
United States139 Posts
July 07 2011 13:29 GMT
#48
This article is full of win. Elly the E-Sports Elephant?! COME ON! How can you NOT want a plushie now?!

I think the NASL was a very ambitious project and look forward to the finals. :D Foreigner upset! Calling it now.
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RageBot
Profile Joined November 2010
Israel1530 Posts
July 07 2011 13:32 GMT
#49
GJ GG GL HF!
Rococo
Profile Joined May 2011
United States331 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-07 13:45:38
July 07 2011 13:33 GMT
#50
The biggest question, is of course, will a foreigner be able to come out on top?


It is? To me the biggest question is WHO will come out on top, not what country he's from or whether he folds or crumples his toilet paper.

Boxer winning a major SC2 tournament would be way more than just a Korean beating foreigners again.
zul
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Germany5427 Posts
July 07 2011 13:41 GMT
#51
awesome awesome Article. and who the F made those grafics?! big UPs!
keep it deep! @zulison
zergtat
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Hong Kong853 Posts
July 07 2011 13:42 GMT
#52
Sen will win it all! Sen fighting!
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Wildantor
Profile Joined May 2011
Australia4 Posts
July 07 2011 13:46 GMT
#53
great article, come on Boxer i'd give anything to see you win
PiRate647
Profile Joined January 2011
Belgium187 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-07 13:48:45
July 07 2011 13:47 GMT
#54
OMG , if Ret wins this I`m going to build a church for every major religion !!!

+ Show Spoiler +
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mr.reee
Profile Joined November 2010
121 Posts
July 07 2011 13:50 GMT
#55
Good article - Go MorroW/Darkforce!!!
ComusLoM
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Norway3547 Posts
July 07 2011 13:53 GMT
#56
These finals are just going to be amazing. I'm rooting for the Europeans to pull out some clutch play! Morrow/Ret hwaiting!
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Pabi
Profile Joined March 2011
Germany126 Posts
July 07 2011 13:54 GMT
#57
Great write up, and awesome Day9 Angel Pic xD
TheDougler
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada8304 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-07 13:59:53
July 07 2011 13:59 GMT
#58
I'm halfway done reading this and it is absolutely brilliant. But the Day[9]t/harpie/angel/unholy abomination image will haunt my dreams forever more.
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Swap
Profile Joined February 2008
Sweden144 Posts
July 07 2011 14:47 GMT
#59
Superb writeup! Especially the purple part!
he he... ja
enemy2010
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Germany1972 Posts
July 07 2011 14:52 GMT
#60
Fail comparison with the "world war".

Don't like that.
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Profile Joined September 2010
Canada1046 Posts
July 07 2011 14:53 GMT
#61
Awesome read, really excited
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whatthefat
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States918 Posts
July 07 2011 14:59 GMT
#62
Nice, although the text in the playoffs recap section is very sketchy (lots of typos, changes in tense, awkward wordings, etc.).
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MrMotionPicture
Profile Joined May 2010
United States4327 Posts
July 07 2011 15:01 GMT
#63
So excited! Go Select! ^^
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Cellardoor
Profile Joined July 2010
United States71 Posts
July 07 2011 15:04 GMT
#64
Cool Article. I really liked the watch if _____ part.
ZAiNs
Profile Joined July 2010
United Kingdom6525 Posts
July 07 2011 15:08 GMT
#65
I haven't really watched any NASL so far, but I will watch from now until the end of the season!
xXFireandIceXx
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Canada4296 Posts
July 07 2011 15:25 GMT
#66
Man, sick advertising lol. love the style
aLt)nirvana
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
Singapore846 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-07 15:27:15
July 07 2011 15:26 GMT
#67
the grand finals main bracket is here if anyone is wondering.

http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/North_American_Star_League_Season_1/Main_Bracket

was looking all over the post but couldn't find it!

nice writeup love the gfx
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RykuX
Profile Joined March 2011
1200 Posts
July 07 2011 15:31 GMT
#68
hmm wondering how they will spread games out to last 3 days I guess like w/ a gstl day w/ only 2 teams playing each other can last up to 3 hours or so will be interesting
Psychobabas
Profile Blog Joined March 2006
2531 Posts
July 07 2011 15:32 GMT
#69
Good stuff. Easy money for the Koreans.
Mr Showtime
Profile Joined April 2011
United States1353 Posts
July 07 2011 15:33 GMT
#70
On July 07 2011 21:16 OPL3SA2 wrote:
I think the GSL is called the Global Starcraft League because it's the best players in the Global.
Of course you have to live in Korea to be the best player in the Global - don't be silly.

That being said, NASL doesn't make sense because they aren't trying to figure out who's the best player in north america. It's also trying to find global winner


It's the Global Starcraft League because that's what it used to be. Korea was the mecca of starcraft. As the days go on, that name gets less and less appropriate.
GrapeD
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Canada679 Posts
July 07 2011 15:36 GMT
#71
Dude this event is going to be baller. Like the kind of baller that makes up for getting hit by a car. Not that I've been hit by a car.
Some people hurt people. I defenestrate those people.
pRo9aMeR
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
595 Posts
July 07 2011 15:37 GMT
#72
the final criticism was the icing on the cake. bravo sir!
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Flik
Profile Joined February 2011
Canada256 Posts
July 07 2011 15:41 GMT
#73
Really well written. Thanks for the great recap.
mrRoflpwn
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States2618 Posts
July 07 2011 15:47 GMT
#74
Great hype thread- i wish we could have had some predictions in here as well. Nevertheless- Great Job! PUMPED!!!
Long live the Boss Toss!
Mr. Black
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
United States470 Posts
July 07 2011 15:49 GMT
#75
I can't believe that MorroW is switching to Terran to play July. I know he used to play Terran as his main, but I don't think he can beat one of the best ZvT players in the world using his second best race. I hope he proves me wrong!
Make more anything.
Morta
Profile Joined February 2011
Germany557 Posts
July 07 2011 15:56 GMT
#76
Excitement overload!

But......

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What has been seen cannot be unseen. O_O
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Vinx
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Canada259 Posts
July 07 2011 15:57 GMT
#77
that picture of day 9 goes to far... awesome write up
Starcraft 2 > RL ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Al Bundy
Profile Joined April 2010
7257 Posts
July 07 2011 16:00 GMT
#78
Nice article there, well done. Why is Incontrol in the banner? I thought he left NASL.

By the way Koreans own white dudes.
o choro é livre
kommunalka
Profile Joined February 2011
United States550 Posts
July 07 2011 16:01 GMT
#79
GGSL

Global Global Starcraft II League
rG
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
July 07 2011 16:09 GMT
#80
On July 07 2011 21:16 OPL3SA2 wrote:
I think the GSL is called the Global Starcraft League because it's the best players in the Global.
Of course you have to live in Korea to be the best player in the Global - don't be silly.

That being said, NASL doesn't make sense because they aren't trying to figure out who's the best player in north america. It's also trying to find global winner


that's like saying you have to live in england to win wimbledon. False assumptions are false. You can play starcraft anywhere in the world, why does a so called "global" tournament require all their players to live in a single country? Yes grandfinals should be held in Korea, no doubt, but by making the tournament ardously long, what you end up with is a near impossible barrier to entry for many foreigners.
liftlift > tsm
Brotatolol
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States1742 Posts
July 07 2011 16:09 GMT
#81
I cannot unsee angel version of day9
Aurdon
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States2007 Posts
July 07 2011 16:11 GMT
#82
NASL has a chance to cleanse all their sins and rise from the rocky months of their first season.

The Finals could be what all the pre-announcement hype was all about.

We'll be their to watch. Can NASL deliver?
Pulzlulz
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Germany412 Posts
July 07 2011 16:13 GMT
#83
When does this actually start? I can't find it in the calender.
skvabs
Profile Joined September 2010
Denmark1 Post
July 07 2011 16:20 GMT
#84
So.. There is only one american left in the North American Star League now? Cool
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Maynarde
Profile Joined September 2010
Australia1286 Posts
July 07 2011 16:21 GMT
#85
On July 08 2011 01:09 Brotatolol wrote:
I cannot unsee angel version of day9


Many a nightmare / wet dream to come in the near future D:

Seriously though, NASL!!!! HYPE!!!
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Discount_Glowstix
Profile Joined January 2011
42 Posts
July 07 2011 16:25 GMT
#86
I cant wait to see Zenio Dominate. People dont give him enough credit for his "risky" play style that is standard to him. probably wont win the tourney though!
YoYoBallz
Profile Joined May 2011
Canada11 Posts
July 07 2011 16:26 GMT
#87
GO GO PROTOS!!!!!!!
Less talking, More playing
knf
Profile Joined May 2008
Sweden282 Posts
July 07 2011 16:30 GMT
#88
A night to remember it shall be
I was born to fast expand!
Reapafied
Profile Joined February 2011
65 Posts
July 07 2011 16:34 GMT
#89
On July 08 2011 01:20 skvabs wrote:
So.. There is only one american left in the North American Star League now? Cool


Unless you count Select, Yeah. But I'm ok with it. Still worth watching 100%
Spacedude
Profile Joined April 2011
Denmark161 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-07 16:41:24
July 07 2011 16:35 GMT
#90
On July 08 2011 01:13 Pulzlulz wrote:
When does this actually start? I can't find it in the calender.


http://nasl.tv/Match

Edit: around 32 hours from now
Protoss win, Protoss OP. Terran win, Terran OP. Zerg win, Zerg OP. Less whine, more gg.
PartyBiscuit
Profile Joined September 2010
Canada4525 Posts
July 07 2011 16:40 GMT
#91
Loving the Korean Overlords article. "It’s not that the NASL is becoming a “Korean” league -- it’s becoming a league with great players." is an obvious and nice point.
the farm ends here
Laneir
Profile Joined September 2010
United States1160 Posts
July 07 2011 16:54 GMT
#92
Lmao great write up and images cant wait to see these games they will be amazing hope for great series
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ShatterZer0
Profile Joined November 2010
United States1843 Posts
July 07 2011 16:58 GMT
#93
Man.... I feel like the NASL champion has one of the worst bids.... I mean playing the open bracket winner means taking on the "Practice Bonjwa" of the era... which right now is PuMa or could have been someone like Dongraegu...

Also... SlayerS_BoxeR FIGHTTTTINGGGGGGGGGG!!!
SHOW US WHAT YOU LEARNED FROM HASUOBS IN TSL3 AND SMASH THAT ARROGANT GOD'S FACE WITH YOUR EPIC SCEPTER OF THE EMPEROR!
A time to live.
57 Corvette
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Canada5941 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-07 17:03:41
July 07 2011 16:59 GMT
#94
I am gonna go watch the NaDa vs TT1 vods, excuse me. (Edit: NVM, forgot you needed to pay to see the VODS)

Also, I laughed at the "Angelic Voices" banner, and Elly the ESPORTS Elephant.
Survival is winning, everything else is bullshit.
Turbo.Tactics
Profile Joined April 2010
Germany675 Posts
July 07 2011 17:02 GMT
#95
Love the Images, love the article, love the game! <3
Zerg - because Browders sons hate 'em
awwnuts07
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States621 Posts
July 07 2011 17:09 GMT
#96
+1 to Jim Lloyd's column. Most definitely agree. Besides, I think losing to the Koreans is better for the foreign scene in the long term. There's nothing like getting your ass handed to you to make you re-evaluate what changes need to be made in order to get that winning record.
I'm a noob
warbaby
Profile Joined May 2011
United States510 Posts
July 07 2011 17:12 GMT
#97
On July 08 2011 00:56 Morta wrote:
Excitement overload!

But......

[image loading]

What has been seen cannot be unseen. O_O


Both disturbing and NSFW. Going to have to clear my cache now.
It puts the GG in the basket. It does this whenever it's told or else it gets the Mutalisks again.
thragar
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Canada450 Posts
July 07 2011 17:15 GMT
#98
Is anyone making cheerfuls for these matchups? I saw the hype thread someone made but they weren't exactly cheerfuls for certain players. =]
GeorgeForeman
Profile Joined April 2005
United States1746 Posts
July 07 2011 17:18 GMT
#99
This is my favorite write-up on TL in a good while. Excellent work, guys!
like a school bus through a bunch of kids
Z3kk
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
4099 Posts
July 07 2011 17:21 GMT
#100
Pumped!

Sweet write-ups! :>
Failure is not falling down over and over again. Failure is refusing to get back up.
Jakalo
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Latvia2350 Posts
July 07 2011 17:21 GMT
#101
On July 08 2011 01:58 ShatterZer0 wrote:
Man.... I feel like the NASL champion has one of the worst bids.... I mean playing the open bracket winner means taking on the "Practice Bonjwa" of the era... which right now is PuMa or could have been someone like Dongraegu...

Also... SlayerS_BoxeR FIGHTTTTINGGGGGGGGGG!!!
SHOW US WHAT YOU LEARNED FROM HASUOBS IN TSL3 AND SMASH THAT ARROGANT GOD'S FACE WITH YOUR EPIC SCEPTER OF THE EMPEROR!


For the Emperor!

(Also Morrow and the rest of the europe!)
Nostalgia is not as good as it used to be.
Snidgel
Profile Joined April 2011
Sweden54 Posts
July 07 2011 17:23 GMT
#102
Angel version of day[9]. So good and tasteful capture of his inner beauty.
Spliffstar
Profile Joined May 2011
Jamaica68 Posts
July 07 2011 17:26 GMT
#103
Nice Review, but one think to critize for me. The "World War" with a picture of a soldier. War is the badest thing in the world. There is nothing heroic. Soldiers are murders! We dont need that in e-sports.

Looking forward to the event. Fair Play and a friendly, peaceful atmosphere.

lollyz
Profile Joined April 2011
218 Posts
July 07 2011 17:31 GMT
#104
Great : ) gj
ComaDose
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Canada10357 Posts
July 07 2011 17:36 GMT
#105
Wew what a write up.
So much NASL stuff right now its awesome.
I wish i was going to the finals at the bar in toronto this sunday
Im sad naniwa lost too.
But... Im gonna be sitting at home watching boxer in NA this weekend :D
BW pros training sc2 is like kiss making a dub step album.
JWD
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States12607 Posts
July 07 2011 17:40 GMT
#106
Graphics are sick sick sick.
✌
rickybobby
Profile Joined October 2010
United States405 Posts
July 07 2011 17:52 GMT
#107
cant wait foar this :D tastosis and all these great games is gonna be awesome!
KyoRai
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States134 Posts
July 07 2011 17:53 GMT
#108
Great write up, man am I happy I bought my pass :D I do wish I could go to the event though and meet all my sc2 heroes
それでもあなたの道を行け
Kurr
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada2338 Posts
July 07 2011 17:54 GMT
#109
Am I the only one thinking of the price is right with the Geoff banner?

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JoeAWESOME
Profile Joined February 2011
Sweden1080 Posts
July 07 2011 17:58 GMT
#110
Go Morrow! It's time for you to win something big as Zerg! Hopefully you play as Z vs July as he is known to have one of the shittiest ZvZ in the topscene
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starcraft911
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
Korea (South)1263 Posts
July 07 2011 18:03 GMT
#111
Damn, day9's got a nice body. I'd have never guessed he was so stacked!
p1cKLes
Profile Joined November 2010
United States342 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-07 18:12:16
July 07 2011 18:08 GMT
#112
Ok, I'm slightly confused. I live fairly close to where the Grand Finals are going to be, but they have no information what so ever on their own website about whether or not you can attend, buy tickets, event information such as how long each day is going to go, etc.? All I can find is Grand Finals starts Friday at 11AM PDT. Did they even sell tickets? Are they allowing people to attend? I would think so to help recoup some of the investment, but they have nothing on their site.


**edit** I found it, but not on NASL.TV... I found the link on Blizzard. They really need to make sure the link is easily accessable from their own website on the primary page. No one wants to go digging around trying to find a link that doesn't exist.

Just in case someone needs it http://nasl.eventbrite.com/
Samp
Profile Joined September 2010
Canada783 Posts
July 07 2011 18:13 GMT
#113
lol awesome =)!
I laughed so hard at the Angelic Voice picture with day9 hahaha xD
Banelings, "They're cute, they live in a nest". -Artosis
Defacer
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada5052 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-07 18:24:29
July 07 2011 18:23 GMT
#114
Thank you will at least trying to use a respectable typeface in your logos and graphics.

You guys should still settle down the 'chrome' and bling and all that silliness.
Hashmeister
Profile Joined April 2011
Germany238 Posts
July 07 2011 18:28 GMT
#115
lol epic picture of INcontrol :D :D very excited about this!!!
bit.ly/hashmeister
ValM
Profile Joined May 2010
India408 Posts
July 07 2011 18:29 GMT
#116
Very well written stuff......in the end NASL deserves all the hype it gets or maybe much much more for it HAS been successful in catching the koreans' eyes and is truly expanding its horizons.

Could anyone please update me on the open tourney and who was the winner 2nd place etc? Plus how did ThorZain fare in the open tourney?
The Terran Prince is now the king. Maru | MMA | Mvp forever
FourTone
Profile Joined October 2010
29 Posts
July 07 2011 18:31 GMT
#117
Rofl at Day9.
Inferno272
Profile Joined April 2011
United States19 Posts
July 07 2011 18:39 GMT
#118
i can not wait for this, going to be so awsome, a little sad i can't be there in person tho
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Vul
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States685 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-07 18:44:34
July 07 2011 18:39 GMT
#119
Just as a suggestion, I think it would be a good idea to include the team tags in the names of the players (like eg.Idra instead of Idra). I know that I often can't remember or don't know which team they're on, especially for the Korean players.

Edit: I scrolled up and saw this

Nice Review, but one think to critize for me. The "World War" with a picture of a soldier. War is the badest thing in the world. There is nothing heroic. Soldiers are murders! We dont need that in e-sports.


QFTrolling, I lolled.
Eufouria
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United Kingdom4425 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-07 20:24:58
July 07 2011 18:43 GMT
#120
Any word on how the casting is being split and whether we'll see some mixing up of the casters? Personally I'd like to see the 2 duos casting together and then rotating each of the 4 as a casting partner for Day[9].

Here are my predictions for the tournament as well.
Round of 16
Ret vs Puma - I don't think Ret can beat PuMa, but if he does he could potentially ZvZ his way to the finals.
Sheth vs Squirtle
Morrow vs July - If Morrow went Zerg I think he could win.
Hasuobs vs Moon
Sen vs Zenio
Darkforce vs Alive - Why American customs?
Select vs WhiteRa
MC vs Boxer

Round of 8
Puma vs Sheth
July vs Moon
Sen vs Alive
WhiteRa vs MC

Semi finals
Puma vs Moon
Sen vs MC

Third place playoff
Moon vs Sen

Grand final
Puma vs MC
ThaZenith
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada3116 Posts
July 07 2011 18:45 GMT
#121
Tastosis and Day9? Awesome. I can only hope vods are available for free viewers, or else I'll miss all but the first day.
iNCryo
Profile Joined August 2010
Norway5 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-07 18:48:56
July 07 2011 18:48 GMT
#122
Mistake:
+ Show Spoiler +

TT1 barely got his tech out in time (medivacs) for when TT1's big gateway push hit is front. Nada forced TT1's army to retreat and was able to chase it down and force TT1 to gg.
Xaxziminrax
Profile Joined April 2011
United States19 Posts
July 07 2011 18:48 GMT
#123
The Day[9] picture scares me O_O
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Mawi
Profile Joined August 2010
Sweden4365 Posts
July 07 2011 18:50 GMT
#124
Day9 sure got some big titties cannot be unseen
Forever Mirin Zyzz Son of Zeus Brother of Hercules Father of the Aesthetics
Loophole
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States867 Posts
July 07 2011 18:50 GMT
#125
Nice writeup. I feel ready!
"Fundamental preparation is always effective. Work on those parts of your game that are fundamentally weak." -Kareem Abdul-Jabbar
ComusLoM
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Norway3547 Posts
July 07 2011 19:01 GMT
#126
Loved the writeup but I was expecting a note about the lack of NA players making it. Sure it might be Korea against the world but EU against NA is just as good of a storyline.
"The White Woman Speaks in Tongues That Are All Lies" - Incontrol; Member #37 of the Chill Fanclub
Genovi
Profile Joined May 2010
Sweden388 Posts
July 07 2011 19:10 GMT
#127
Omg i didnt even notice that pic until i read Day9 was in it. I may be a bit too in love with him... Anyways great read as always!!!
We fucking lost team - RTZ
Xivsa
Profile Joined April 2011
United States1009 Posts
July 07 2011 19:13 GMT
#128
Excellent write-up with some nice 'artistry.' My biggest question is what the following quote means -

If it’s disingenuous to call the NASL “North American,” maybe we could change its name to something more appropriate for what it really is . . . how about the Global Starcraft II League?


Is the author saying the NASL is just a GSL lite? Or that it should merge with the GSL? How does it having the same name as the prestigious Korean tournament make any sense, let alone qualify as a more apt league name. Was just curious.
I don't know half of you half as well as I should like and I like less than half of you half as well as you deserve. - Bilbo
Ponyo
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States1231 Posts
July 07 2011 19:19 GMT
#129
I'll be there repping my Zerg and EG sc2 nerdgear. I'll wear my liquid gear when I start going back to the gym lol. Can't wait to see Idra live.
ponyo.848
Scrandom
Profile Joined February 2011
Canada2819 Posts
July 07 2011 19:19 GMT
#130
Awesome article, still wish it was double elimination since it's only 16 man but it's still going to be awesome
Myles
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States5162 Posts
July 07 2011 19:32 GMT
#131
On July 08 2011 04:13 Xivsa wrote:
Excellent write-up with some nice 'artistry.' My biggest question is what the following quote means -

Show nested quote +
If it’s disingenuous to call the NASL “North American,” maybe we could change its name to something more appropriate for what it really is . . . how about the Global Starcraft II League?


Is the author saying the NASL is just a GSL lite? Or that it should merge with the GSL? How does it having the same name as the prestigious Korean tournament make any sense, let alone qualify as a more apt league name. Was just curious.


His point was that the NASL is just as global, actually probably more-so, then the GSL.
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Mr.Brightside
Profile Joined October 2009
Australia317 Posts
July 07 2011 19:34 GMT
#132
Great Writeup, I especially enjoyed the Korean Overlords section, I think it showed some very positive thoughts/comments on the NASL and the involvement of Koreans. I hope that this season a foreigner can take it, but it could get harder with each consecutive NASL Season. But the game quality I'm sure will get better as a result! I hope NASL continues in popularity for the future, it doesn't suit my schedule atm to watch it but I think it's a fantastic tournament, hopefully more and more Koreans will wake up at crazy hours to watch it just like the NA people do for GSL
"Makin' Pylons, Makin' Probes, Fightin' Round The World" - Russell Crowe
JayDee_
Profile Joined June 2010
548 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-07 20:13:43
July 07 2011 19:37 GMT
#133
Zenio's play vs idra wasn't cheesy. He simply took advantage of idra's greed with well timed pushes
Mr Showtime
Profile Joined April 2011
United States1353 Posts
July 07 2011 19:38 GMT
#134
On July 08 2011 03:43 Eufouria wrote:
Any word on how the casting is being split and whether we'll see some mixing up of the casters? Personally I'd like to see the 2 duos casting together and then rotating each of the 4 as a casting partner for Day[9].

Here are my predictions for the tournament as well.
Round of 16
Ret vs Puma - I don't think Ret can beat PuMa, but if he does he could potentially ZvZ his way to the finals.
Sheth vs Squirtle
Morrow vs July - If Morrow went Zerg I think he could win.
Hasuobs vs Moon
Sen vs Zenio
Darkforce vs Strelok - Why American customs?
Select vs WhiteRa
MC vs Boxer

Round of 8
Puma vs Sheth
July vs Moon
Sen vs Darkforce
WhiteRa vs MC

Semi finals
Puma vs Moon
Sen vs MC

Third place playoff
Moon vs Sen

Grand final
Puma vs MC


Agree with a lot of that except Moon over July. July will have to play pretty terrible to lose to Moon, or just get incredibly unlucky. In my opinion, he's far and away a better player.....at least as of right now.
SaftKalasEmil
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Sweden213 Posts
July 07 2011 19:38 GMT
#135
Will this be Re-streamed in korea with korean comentators or will the korean fans tune in to the english stream? considering that the majority of the players are from south korea and you guys want to call it the real global starcraft 2 tournament? i'd be exited to read about what korean wievers think about this league =P

Other then that one question i am nothing but pumped about this tournament and will be watching every minute of the stream!!!

GL with hosting one of the best american tournament ever!
TeamLiquid CJ Entusman #27 SaftKalasEmil.
FairForever
Profile Joined February 2011
Canada2392 Posts
July 07 2011 19:52 GMT
#136
On July 08 2011 04:38 Mr Showtime wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 08 2011 03:43 Eufouria wrote:
Any word on how the casting is being split and whether we'll see some mixing up of the casters? Personally I'd like to see the 2 duos casting together and then rotating each of the 4 as a casting partner for Day[9].

Here are my predictions for the tournament as well.
Round of 16
Ret vs Puma - I don't think Ret can beat PuMa, but if he does he could potentially ZvZ his way to the finals.
Sheth vs Squirtle
Morrow vs July - If Morrow went Zerg I think he could win.
Hasuobs vs Moon
Sen vs Zenio
Darkforce vs Strelok - Why American customs?
Select vs WhiteRa
MC vs Boxer

Round of 8
Puma vs Sheth
July vs Moon
Sen vs Darkforce
WhiteRa vs MC

Semi finals
Puma vs Moon
Sen vs MC

Third place playoff
Moon vs Sen

Grand final
Puma vs MC


Agree with a lot of that except Moon over July. July will have to play pretty terrible to lose to Moon, or just get incredibly unlucky. In my opinion, he's far and away a better player.....at least as of right now.


July already lost to Moon at MLG. July's ZvZ is just subpar compared to his other matchups. I'd say if Moon and July make it out of Round of 16 Moon would be favoured in that one...
Mano
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States192 Posts
July 07 2011 19:54 GMT
#137
I'm super excited to be going to this. I think the winner of Ret vs Puma will go to the finals against MC most likely, though I expect him to play Alive in the semi's which i think will end up being a close match. See you all there.
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Elasticity
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
3420 Posts
July 07 2011 20:01 GMT
#138
Oh dear angelic voice haunts me T_T
nojok
Profile Joined May 2011
France15845 Posts
July 07 2011 20:06 GMT
#139
Wow a French win against one top level player! This is enough to shine to my eyes. I hope tod will do well in his 8th(!!!!!) WCG.

Really nice article I enjoyed reading it even if I don't understand the 5 brackets system to make itto grand finals, as I have not followed NASL. The format is not exciting enough.
"Back then teams that won were credited, now it's called throw. I think it's sad." - Kuroky - Flap Flap Wings!
Jimmy Raynor
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
902 Posts
July 07 2011 20:14 GMT
#140
Why can't I find any info on the calendar when are the finals going to be? Are they going to be in a watchable time for EU?
Oboeman
Profile Joined January 2011
Canada3980 Posts
July 07 2011 20:23 GMT
#141
Game two can't be found on Justin.TV


Good, if I recall correctly it was pretty embarassing.

Axlav went forge expand on Crevasse and Naniwa 4gated him, bullied past the cannons and warped on the highground in the natural.
LibertyNA
Profile Joined July 2011
13 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-07 20:36:42
July 07 2011 20:29 GMT
#142
Great write-up; i didn't read much of it, mainly because I have watched all the games and been following along the league from the start of it.

I agree with the final sentence of the post, it says that NASL should be GSL.

These two companies/organizations should merge and become GSL Korea, GSL North America, GSL Europe/Germany? or w/e else and fly these players out to somewhere in the middle for the finals?

I'm sure this has already been discussed, and hopefully you won't lose some kind of "i only support north america" sponsors. But getting funds for one global tournament of starcraft 2, rather than multiple ones could be beneficial.

That's like one binder of paperwork; instead of 3-5?

Partner up *****es

Kluey
Profile Joined April 2011
Canada1197 Posts
July 07 2011 20:40 GMT
#143
This is gonna be EPIC!
JustPassingBy
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
10776 Posts
July 07 2011 20:46 GMT
#144
articles on TL keeps getting better and better. thanks to all the people who wrote this, had a blast reading it. and now I'm hyped as hell.
drgonzhere
Profile Joined November 2010
United States447 Posts
July 07 2011 20:46 GMT
#145
Lol, PuMa not in Code-A guys (facepalm). Nice write up tho!
Dictator for Life of the PuMa Fanclub/ DRG, PuMA, Sage, Puzzle, MMA Fighting!
th3_great
Profile Joined March 2011
United Kingdom429 Posts
July 07 2011 20:58 GMT
#146
everyones saying the NASL finals start tomorrow, but its not on the TL calender. is it going to be prerecorded and then played back like the rest of the league?
did you read the script?
JerKy
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Korea (South)3013 Posts
July 07 2011 21:02 GMT
#147
Nice write up, thanks for the recommendations for the VODs
You can type "StarCraft" with just your left hand.
CeriseCherries
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
6170 Posts
July 07 2011 21:08 GMT
#148
Well.. boxer MC... Heart says boxer, brain says mc
Remember, no matter where you go, there you are.
xlat
Profile Joined August 2010
176 Posts
July 07 2011 21:19 GMT
#149
HawaiianPig just keeps getting better!
Awesome writeup by all involved.

Will be super-interesting to see how Gentle the Puma really is.
Hyren
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States817 Posts
July 07 2011 21:48 GMT
#150
Barely kept my frappuccino in my mouth due to angel-Day9
Power-tripping mod for Trump's stream
bkrow
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Australia8532 Posts
July 07 2011 21:51 GMT
#151
Super mega awesome hype! Go go go! I was hoping for Elly to pop up somewhere in article, but alas =P

I would be very surprised to see a foreigner walk away with the prize; but i am hopeful that they can compete. The grand stage with all the lights and the big crowd makes me believe PuMa will choke :p the bottom right bracket looks so incredibly epic but i feel sorry for SeleCT haha (SeleCT, White-Ra, MC, BoxeR)

Someone say hype?
In The Rear With The Gear .. *giggle* /////////// cobra-LA-LA-LA-LA-LA!!!!
Nus5
Profile Joined April 2011
Germany46 Posts
July 07 2011 21:52 GMT
#152
Really nice write up!
Towni
Profile Joined July 2010
Austria144 Posts
July 07 2011 21:54 GMT
#153
Pls just stop that Worlwar shit like picture in OP despite all your hype. Not funny at all.
pdd
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Australia9933 Posts
July 07 2011 21:55 GMT
#154
May want to edit a mistake. Puma didn't make it through Code A.
TI4 Champions: EE-Sama | B7-God | A-God_2000 | Kappa Lord | pieliedie
TORTOISE
Profile Joined December 2010
United States515 Posts
July 07 2011 21:57 GMT
#155
The face of NASL right there.
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Shawcross
Profile Joined July 2011
Norway4 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-07 23:50:45
July 07 2011 22:08 GMT
#156
Go BoxeR!
Tactics are like bikinis, show the most, hide the best.
drmaul
Profile Joined September 2010
United States51 Posts
July 07 2011 22:10 GMT
#157
In fact, SeleCT is the only foreigner in the finals who failed to defeat a Korean player, although in his words, he took it easy against MC in his final group stage match.


He destroyed Ace....He lost against MC and Ret...
MechKing
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States3004 Posts
July 07 2011 22:12 GMT
#158
I just realized that there are only four terrans left And three of them in the same bracket!
twndomn
Profile Joined September 2010
401 Posts
July 07 2011 22:42 GMT
#159
On July 08 2011 07:12 MechKing wrote:
I just realized that there are only four terrans left And three of them in the same bracket!


Good. After MMA won the MLG, we don't need more Terran games. We got it, Korean Terran is imba.
"If MC wins this, his name would not be SK MC, it would be ST MC, ST for Saint, performing miracles." - Artosis.
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
July 07 2011 22:44 GMT
#160
On July 08 2011 07:12 MechKing wrote:
I just realized that there are only four terrans left And three of them in the same bracket!

I think you just uncovered a conspiracy!
liftlift > tsm
ellirc
Profile Joined February 2011
Sweden3286 Posts
July 07 2011 22:54 GMT
#161
Great artwork in this one! Let's hope the finals go well in all aspects(yes that includes american internet)!
Tokk
Profile Joined June 2011
United States3 Posts
July 07 2011 23:09 GMT
#162
I'm planning my entire weekend around this. High hopes!
Perchloric
Profile Joined March 2011
Brazil163 Posts
July 07 2011 23:22 GMT
#163
So, Zenio is a cheesy bastard bacause he make mutalisks is a ZvZ?
Sound a little bias to me.
HEROwithNOlegacy
Profile Joined June 2010
United States850 Posts
July 07 2011 23:39 GMT
#164
looking forward to this tournament finals, NASL ftw. LOL @ the day 9 picture
SlayerS Fighting!
liam33
Profile Joined June 2011
Canada192 Posts
July 07 2011 23:49 GMT
#165
when is NASL grand finals?
Kaz.
Profile Joined October 2010
United States69 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-08 17:19:39
July 07 2011 23:50 GMT
#166
haven't read this yet, epic photo of geoff and day[9]

edit: I totally agree with Jim Lloyds article. The reason I've watched the NASL this season and will continue to watch is because of the matchups it has created, bringing korean and foreigners together on a consistent basis.
GL this weekend, Sheth fighting
Attitude is forever
Cosmos
Profile Joined March 2010
Belgium1077 Posts
July 08 2011 00:06 GMT
#167
Hopefully it is double elimination, would be sad to see MC or Boxer leave the tournament too quickly^^
http://www.twitch.tv/becosmos
Rodeo
Profile Joined December 2010
United States39 Posts
July 08 2011 00:27 GMT
#168
Trials and tribulations, those there were no shortage of.


Worst sentences in the English language, that this is one of.

But seriously, I'm psyched for the finals. Sheth fighting!
You say you want lurkers? I want scourge! Bye bye colossi.
PresenceSc2
Profile Joined February 2011
Australia4032 Posts
July 08 2011 00:41 GMT
#169
dayum day9 is sexy
Stephano//HerO//TaeJa//Squirtle//Bomber
Takezou
Profile Joined October 2010
United States320 Posts
July 08 2011 01:35 GMT
#170
On July 08 2011 08:22 Perchloric wrote:
So, Zenio is a cheesy bastard bacause he make mutalisks is a ZvZ?
Sound a little bias to me.


Yeah seriously 10 pool and mutas = cheesy?

Sounds like more than a 'little' bias.

Perchloric
Profile Joined March 2011
Brazil163 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-08 02:02:46
July 08 2011 02:01 GMT
#171
Takezou, I'm obviously talking about game 2, where Zenio open hatch first (not 10 pool like you said), and I fail to see how mutalisk usage is considered cheesy in any MU whatsoever.
xbankx
Profile Joined July 2010
703 Posts
July 08 2011 02:12 GMT
#172
Zenio comments are really biased. The guy is a ZvZ beast. Its like saying Nestea vs July, Nestea makes mutas=cheese. The game is revolved around calculated risk.
Perchloric
Profile Joined March 2011
Brazil163 Posts
July 08 2011 02:15 GMT
#173
On July 08 2011 11:12 xbankx wrote:
Zenio comments are really biased. The guy is a ZvZ beast. Its like saying Nestea vs July, Nestea makes mutas=cheese. The game is revolved around calculated risk.



I like the way you put it.
don_kyuhote
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
3006 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-08 02:25:49
July 08 2011 02:20 GMT
#174
confusedcrib wrote:

"Zenio 2 - 1 dde" Don't Watch This"...
"Zenio 2 - 0 Idra" Cheesy games"...

"I no longer like to watch Zenio's ZvT."....
"Zenio man, I don't really like the way you've been playing lately. "....
"I really didn't like the way that Zenio played."....


whats your deal?
For what shall it profit a man, if he shall gain the whole world, and lose his own soul?
Klogon
Profile Blog Joined November 2002
MURICA15980 Posts
July 08 2011 02:24 GMT
#175
Definitely gave me a legit preview. Thanks for the work guys
Irave
Profile Joined October 2010
United States9965 Posts
July 08 2011 03:45 GMT
#176
Brilliant write up as always! Expecting some great games from this!
twndomn
Profile Joined September 2010
401 Posts
July 08 2011 03:45 GMT
#177
Notice Sheth's the only American? Well..., Select is somewhat American, I guess.
"If MC wins this, his name would not be SK MC, it would be ST MC, ST for Saint, performing miracles." - Artosis.
confusedcrib
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States1307 Posts
July 08 2011 03:46 GMT
#178
On July 08 2011 08:22 Perchloric wrote:
So, Zenio is a cheesy bastard bacause he make mutalisks is a ZvZ?
Sound a little bias to me.


A 10 pool beating a hatch first is nothing new. If Idra sees it, he can cancel the hatch and win. If Idra sees the spire, he gets a couple spore crawlers, gets hydras out and wins. The nature of how Zenio played was crossing his fingers and hoping Idra didn't scout in time.

On July 08 2011 10:35 Takezou wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 08 2011 08:22 Perchloric wrote:
So, Zenio is a cheesy bastard bacause he make mutalisks is a ZvZ?
Sound a little bias to me.


Yeah seriously 10 pool and mutas = cheesy?

Sounds like more than a 'little' bias.



Yes, 10 pool and mutalisks in ZvZ at the professional level are cheesy (unless its on a map like Tal'Darim where it is a strategic choice).

On July 08 2011 11:01 Perchloric wrote:
Takezou, I'm obviously talking about game 2, where Zenio open hatch first (not 10 pool like you said), and I fail to see how mutalisk usage is considered cheesy in any MU whatsoever.


In ZvZ, mutalisks have a place in large maps where they can be used for map control in a small timing, the way Zenio used them was clearly meant to be a surprise and win the game. If Idra scouts it, Zenio was floating 1400 minerals and gas, so if Idra can deny, get out a couple of infestors and hydralisks, than he can easily counter push and win. The way Zenio went mutalisks on such a small map can be considered all in.

On July 08 2011 11:12 xbankx wrote:
Zenio comments are really biased. The guy is a ZvZ beast. Its like saying Nestea vs July, Nestea makes mutas=cheese. The game is revolved around calculated risk.


If the game you're referring to is on Tal'Darim altar, there is a point to using the mutalisks. On large maps they can deny expansions, kill overlords, and help contain.


On July 08 2011 11:20 don_kyuhote wrote:
Show nested quote +
confusedcrib wrote:

"Zenio 2 - 1 dde" Don't Watch This"...
"Zenio 2 - 0 Idra" Cheesy games"...

"I no longer like to watch Zenio's ZvT."....
"Zenio man, I don't really like the way you've been playing lately. "....
"I really didn't like the way that Zenio played."....


whats your deal?


I really didn't like the way Zenio played, and I'm allowed to say that. Unless you'd rather have me just blindly watching a replay and typing out every action that happens, there is going to be bias in any analysis of play. The way Zenio played in these two best of threes was very sloppy and luck oriented. It works, because it won, and he's obviously a good player to even pull off risky plays, but in my mind, that's not how Starcraft should be played. You only take risks if you have to, you don't take them because you're the better player.
I'm a writer for TeamLiquid, you've probably heard of me
twndomn
Profile Joined September 2010
401 Posts
July 08 2011 03:53 GMT
#179
I dislike the person who makes reference to Zenio vs Idra. Idra is simply an inappropriate reference to draw from. A win is a win, macro or 10 pool or 6 pool matters not. Idra did that to Sen and won that game, though lost the series. Please don't play the what-if-xyz-scouted game. Cheese is legi., regardless you like it or not.

Sen also did a Muta play against Zenio but Zenio's lone infestor missed the only available fungal and lost the game as a result. You can dislike a player's method of using certain unit, but that does not mean that player's wrong for that instance. As long as he wins, that's all that matters.
"If MC wins this, his name would not be SK MC, it would be ST MC, ST for Saint, performing miracles." - Artosis.
confusedcrib
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States1307 Posts
July 08 2011 04:04 GMT
#180
On July 08 2011 12:53 twndomn wrote:
I dislike the person who makes reference to Zenio vs Idra. Idra is simply an inappropriate reference to draw from. A win is a win, macro or 10 pool or 6 pool matters not. Idra did that to Sen and won that game, though lost the series. Please don't play the what-if-xyz-scouted game. Cheese is legi., regardless you like it or not.

Sen also did a Muta play against Zenio but Zenio's lone infestor missed the only available fungal and lost the game as a result. You can dislike a player's method of using certain unit, but that does not mean that player's wrong for that instance. As long as he wins, that's all that matters.


I never say Zenio is a bad player at all in the write up. All I said is that he "He took a lot of risks and relied on surprise tactics for almost every ZvZ. I wouldn't expect him to beat Sen in the grand finals." but apparently that means that I think he is a terrible player :/
I'm a writer for TeamLiquid, you've probably heard of me
saritenite
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Singapore1680 Posts
July 08 2011 04:28 GMT
#181
Rooting for Ra! Go Special Taktiks!
Dox
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Australia1199 Posts
July 08 2011 04:43 GMT
#182
Time to start a new thread: Day9's body.


Great write up! So much content!
@NvDox | Plantronics Nv: Rossi . mOOnGLaDe . deth . JazBas | @NvSC2 | @NvCoD | @NvLeague | @NvHearthstone | @NvDotA2 | @PLT_MF
tritium_3
Profile Joined July 2009
United States19 Posts
July 08 2011 06:09 GMT
#183
Im really excited for NASL, hopefully incontrol wont be BM like he was on TL attack.
nothing
FatBlackZombieMama
Profile Joined November 2010
France118 Posts
July 08 2011 09:11 GMT
#184
I love the Simpsons reference! In Rod We Trust!
EPIIIIC!
Adventurekid
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Sweden505 Posts
July 08 2011 09:12 GMT
#185
Absolutely fantastic writeup!
You should build a turtle fence!
WightyCity
Profile Joined May 2011
Canada887 Posts
July 08 2011 09:44 GMT
#186
i hope this weekend will blow my mind and be worth the 3 month lenght
90% watching it 8% talking about it and 2% playing it - sc2
Full.tilt
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United Kingdom1709 Posts
July 08 2011 10:27 GMT
#187
On July 08 2011 15:09 tritium_3 wrote:
Im really excited for NASL, hopefully incontrol wont be BM like he was on TL attack.


I'm guessing positivity and hype will be the order of the day during the first NASL live finals.

So hyped for this, really hope everything goes well, 7 and a half hours to go! Woohoo!
Dark Stalker
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
102 Posts
July 08 2011 10:32 GMT
#188
On July 07 2011 21:10 Waxangel wrote:
The biggest question, is of course, will a foreigner be able to come out on top?


To be honest my biggest question is whether there will be a huge fuck-up when the event happens. I hope not, but I don't have a lot of faith in the running of the NASL. Really looking forward to the games though in nine hours!
Champi
Profile Joined March 2010
1422 Posts
July 08 2011 10:41 GMT
#189
fun read, my favourite part was the angel day9 picture, it was disgustingly beautiful
DerBeefman
Profile Joined April 2011
Germany226 Posts
July 08 2011 10:42 GMT
#190
why u not now, nasl finals? T_T
extended thermal lances aka extended imbalances
Leviance
Profile Joined November 2009
Germany4079 Posts
July 08 2011 11:33 GMT
#191
This was a very nice read. "German terror HasuObs" :D
"Blizzard is never gonna nerf Terran because of those American and European fuck" - Korean Netizen
Griznah
Profile Joined September 2010
Norway65 Posts
July 08 2011 11:40 GMT
#192
Nice writeup! Great job=)
Do you feel lucky punk? Well, do ya?
Magorical
Profile Joined December 2010
Australia23 Posts
July 08 2011 14:22 GMT
#193
Laughed at the picture of Day9. =P

A great write up and very professionally done. Great job. And thank you to the people that made NASL possible!
'Just remember that you can beat your opponent just by having a lot of shit' - Day[9]
Rustug
Profile Joined October 2010
1488 Posts
July 08 2011 14:22 GMT
#194
Good Write-up, Love the Graphics.

It's a bit disappointing that the North American Star League only has 1 North American (Sheth) in the season 1 finals. North America players need to step it up for season 2.
Anyway, everyone who qualified did so fairly and 'to the victor goes the spoils'.

Best of luck to all the competitors and the NASL organization. Me and my Season Pass will be attending the stream all weekend. Let the awesomeness begin!!

Ret FIGHTING!!
Curious that we spend more time congratulating people who have succeeded than encouraging people who have not. 파이팅! ᕦ(ò_óˇ)ᕤ"
Spitmode
Profile Joined January 2011
Germany1510 Posts
July 08 2011 14:38 GMT
#195
nice looking forward to this will this be broadcasted on a low quality free stream aswell? or only one where i have to pay for it?
"Make house -> Robots come out of house -> Robots shoot lazers -> Someone wins"
tadL
Profile Joined September 2010
Croatia679 Posts
July 08 2011 14:42 GMT
#196
On July 08 2011 23:22 Rustug wrote:
It's a bit disappointing that the North American Star League only has 1 North American (Sheth) in the season 1 finals. North America players need to step it up for season 2.
Anyway, everyone who qualified did so fairly and 'to the victor goes the spoils'.


and if you think that nasl did everything to give NA every small advantage its even more disappointing. Well myb next season not just NA Server?
Beyonder
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
Netherlands15103 Posts
July 08 2011 15:13 GMT
#197
Jimlloyd, you are an awesome writer sir
Moderator
SoJu.WeRRa
Profile Joined June 2010
Korea (South)820 Posts
July 08 2011 15:36 GMT
#198
great write up!
나를 찢어갈겨이씨발놈아왜나를미치게만들어니가뭘아는데?
joshboy42
Profile Joined August 2010
Australia116 Posts
July 08 2011 15:56 GMT
#199
funny that out of a nice detailed write up like this, all I can think about is that picture of day[9] that's been burned into my brain
eat this cheese without farting and you can sleep with my sister
AxionSteel
Profile Joined January 2011
United States7754 Posts
July 08 2011 16:30 GMT
#200
Glad I wasn't the only one who picked up on that biased report about all of Zenio's games. He was the best player by some distance in his playoff bracket, and deserved to progress.
Existential
Profile Joined December 2010
Australia2107 Posts
July 08 2011 16:45 GMT
#201
Great write up :D
Jaedong <3 | BW - The first game I ever loved
ElusoryX
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Singapore2047 Posts
July 08 2011 17:11 GMT
#202
big shit is coming :D go foreigners!
xd
SafeAsCheese
Profile Joined June 2011
United States4924 Posts
July 08 2011 17:12 GMT
#203
On July 08 2011 13:04 confusedcrib wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 08 2011 12:53 twndomn wrote:
I dislike the person who makes reference to Zenio vs Idra. Idra is simply an inappropriate reference to draw from. A win is a win, macro or 10 pool or 6 pool matters not. Idra did that to Sen and won that game, though lost the series. Please don't play the what-if-xyz-scouted game. Cheese is legi., regardless you like it or not.

Sen also did a Muta play against Zenio but Zenio's lone infestor missed the only available fungal and lost the game as a result. You can dislike a player's method of using certain unit, but that does not mean that player's wrong for that instance. As long as he wins, that's all that matters.


I never say Zenio is a bad player at all in the write up. All I said is that he "He took a lot of risks and relied on surprise tactics for almost every ZvZ. I wouldn't expect him to beat Sen in the grand finals." but apparently that means that I think he is a terrible player :/


Don't worry, people who understand ZvZ know why you have your opinion ^^
caruso
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Germany733 Posts
July 08 2011 17:22 GMT
#204
Shit just got real.
Kyouya
Profile Joined January 2008
Mexico318 Posts
July 08 2011 18:00 GMT
#205
the Koreans may have faced some disadvantages such as playing their games at 4am through unpredictable latency conditions

OMG lolwat

C'mon Boxer you got this!!!
Strike First, Strike Hard, Show No Mercy.
tyrless
Profile Joined July 2010
United States485 Posts
July 08 2011 18:36 GMT
#206
This should be a great event, I admit I didn't really follow the NASL at all but with this being a huge LAN+big prize money+Tastosis, NASL is really stepping up.
RAPiDCasting
Profile Joined July 2009
Korea (South)594 Posts
July 08 2011 20:25 GMT
#207
So...how 'bout those finals, eh?

Pros:
+ Show Spoiler +
Huge Venue
Huge Audience
Great Casters
Great Players


Cons:
+ Show Spoiler +
Production Quality
Sound Quality
Camera Quality
Quality in general
Lack of Preparation
The faster caster. @RAPiDCasting
ceaRshaf
Profile Joined August 2009
Romania4926 Posts
July 08 2011 20:39 GMT
#208
NASL FAILED HARD.

People MUST understand that if you ask money for a service you have to deliver the service. I, as a client, don't have to be happy just because I get to see StarCraft2 games.

So, a to do list for future events:

- don't start an event 2 hours late
- don't start an event 2 hours late AND ignore the 35k of people like nothing is happening.
- check the whole system and make sure it works.
- AUDIO IS VERY IMPORTANT
- commentators must be heard
- don't make 10 minutes long intros
- PREPARE FOR INTERVIEWS
- focus the camers and don't move them
- don't be aggressive with upset clients. THEY HAVE RIGHTS!


The list can go on. NASL has disappointed me. I don't want to tolerate anything. I want progress so I give feedback. With so many tournaments out there the competition gets higher and higher. Pump up the quality.

And people, remember, when you pay 25$ to see Transformers 3 on IMAX, a 300 million dollars movie, they never make you wait, they never have problems. This is business. You give money we give you service/products.

This post is meant to be useful, not for trolling. I am not hating, I am helping.
Mess with the best, die like the rest.
ziomek
Profile Joined July 2010
Poland18 Posts
July 08 2011 20:58 GMT
#209
nice games coming:D
Bucht
Profile Joined June 2011
Sweden7 Posts
July 08 2011 21:37 GMT
#210
On July 09 2011 05:39 ceaRshaf wrote:
NASL FAILED HARD.

People MUST understand that if you ask money for a service you have to deliver the service. I, as a client, don't have to be happy just because I get to see StarCraft2 games.

So, a to do list for future events:

- don't start an event 2 hours late
- don't start an event 2 hours late AND ignore the 35k of people like nothing is happening.
- check the whole system and make sure it works.
- AUDIO IS VERY IMPORTANT
- commentators must be heard
- don't make 10 minutes long intros
- PREPARE FOR INTERVIEWS
- focus the camers and don't move them
- don't be aggressive with upset clients. THEY HAVE RIGHTS!


The list can go on. NASL has disappointed me. I don't want to tolerate anything. I want progress so I give feedback. With so many tournaments out there the competition gets higher and higher. Pump up the quality.

And people, remember, when you pay 25$ to see Transformers 3 on IMAX, a 300 million dollars movie, they never make you wait, they never have problems. This is business. You give money we give you service/products.

This post is meant to be useful, not for trolling. I am not hating, I am helping.

Kinda agree with your points, except for the likeness to Transformers. Movies by Michael Bay is not a good example of money well spent.
sVnteen
Profile Joined January 2011
Germany2238 Posts
July 08 2011 21:52 GMT
#211
morrow the desinfected terran
MY LIFE STARTS NOW ♥
Stil
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom206 Posts
July 08 2011 22:45 GMT
#212
On July 09 2011 05:39 ceaRshaf wrote:
NASL FAILED HARD.

People MUST understand that if you ask money for a service you have to deliver the service. I, as a client, don't have to be happy just because I get to see StarCraft2 games.

So, a to do list for future events:

- don't start an event 2 hours late
- don't start an event 2 hours late AND ignore the 35k of people like nothing is happening.
- check the whole system and make sure it works.
- AUDIO IS VERY IMPORTANT
- commentators must be heard
- don't make 10 minutes long intros
- PREPARE FOR INTERVIEWS
- focus the camers and don't move them
- don't be aggressive with upset clients. THEY HAVE RIGHTS!


The list can go on. NASL has disappointed me. I don't want to tolerate anything. I want progress so I give feedback. With so many tournaments out there the competition gets higher and higher. Pump up the quality.

And people, remember, when you pay 25$ to see Transformers 3 on IMAX, a 300 million dollars movie, they never make you wait, they never have problems. This is business. You give money we give you service/products.

This post is meant to be useful, not for trolling. I am not hating, I am helping.


Also this - and a little sad that Sean and Dan were dangled in front of us and they are not casting all the games
dorsch
Profile Joined June 2011
Germany3 Posts
July 08 2011 22:54 GMT
#213
On July 09 2011 05:39 ceaRshaf wrote:
NASL FAILED HARD.

People MUST understand that if you ask money for a service you have to deliver the service. I, as a client, don't have to be happy just because I get to see StarCraft2 games.

So, a to do list for future events:

- don't start an event 2 hours late
- don't start an event 2 hours late AND ignore the 35k of people like nothing is happening.
- check the whole system and make sure it works.
- AUDIO IS VERY IMPORTANT
- commentators must be heard
- don't make 10 minutes long intros
- PREPARE FOR INTERVIEWS
- focus the camers and don't move them
- don't be aggressive with upset clients. THEY HAVE RIGHTS!


The list can go on. NASL has disappointed me. I don't want to tolerate anything. I want progress so I give feedback. With so many tournaments out there the competition gets higher and higher. Pump up the quality.

And people, remember, when you pay 25$ to see Transformers 3 on IMAX, a 300 million dollars movie, they never make you wait, they never have problems. This is business. You give money we give you service/products.

This post is meant to be useful, not for trolling. I am not hating, I am helping.


Absolutely right. They really can't to anything against the one-sided games we've seen so far BUT they have to present it better.

Everything you said is true but I have to disagree with you about the intros. I'm actually not too fond of them, but they are pretty good for casual viewers who just tuned in for the grand finals. BUT they probably lost all of them by now because of all the other mistakes. So: good idea but well, wasted.

And WHAT the FUCK did the chick in red do with her microphone? It's okay to be nervous (which she obvously was) but did she think she was a fucking gangstar-rapper, strangling the microphone? Just let Artosis or someone more experienced do the intweviews instead.

Well, let's hope for some good games.
Waxangel
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
United States33389 Posts
July 08 2011 22:56 GMT
#214
eh, give 'em two more days :o
AdministratorHey HP can you redo everything youve ever done because i have a small complaint?
JuTsU
Profile Joined April 2011
United States14 Posts
July 08 2011 23:00 GMT
#215
umm is the stream down?
You cant touch this ish!
dorsch
Profile Joined June 2011
Germany3 Posts
July 08 2011 23:07 GMT
#216
yeah i really hope they will improve in the next days. would make it much more enjoyable to watch! (not that I'm not watching it anyways)

oh and they should place that ad banner in the background between the commentators so they can get a closer shot of them. i think that would make the work of the (pretty shaky :D) cameraguy much easier and produce a nicer picture.

does anyone know how big the team (in authority of the streaming) is?
and/or what kind of equipment they are using?
Stil
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom206 Posts
July 08 2011 23:20 GMT
#217
Getting annoyed at all the 'junk' on the screen - the banner on top of the players names is terribad (they have one built in guys!), I don't like the FINALS SEASON 1 JULY 8-10 text in the corner, and the screen cycling ads (come on!) covering more space where the replay bar would be. The booth cams are a good idea, but too dark to be worth while.
Jepsyn
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Canada364 Posts
July 08 2011 23:28 GMT
#218
My Quality has been impeccable the whole time. DO NOT understand what people are upset about at all.... are you people watching this through headsets? what a horrible way to watch live events

Production has been awesome. PROPS to NASL
"Wonder what this game would be like if protoss units cost money" - IdrA
iamtheoneneo
Profile Joined April 2011
144 Posts
July 08 2011 23:35 GMT
#219
On July 09 2011 08:28 Jepsyn wrote:
My Quality has been impeccable the whole time. DO NOT understand what people are upset about at all.... are you people watching this through headsets? what a horrible way to watch live events

Production has been awesome. PROPS to NASL


I hear a troll creeping through the woods.....and his name is Jepsyn.

lets address your points in detail shall we:

1) really? so you paid $25 for this POS? id ask for my money back.
2) do not understand what peole are on about? go and read the 600 pages explaining in great detail all the problems - to name a few - late start, bad vid, bad sound (mono), massive delays between games, terrible obs, incorrect VT;s - we could go on.
3)your headset statement is pure ineptitude....and actually deserves no counter argument since your clearly living in some b+w, 60s style world where headsets are seemingly inferior to what i could probably guess at your $10 pc speakers you got from some mass chain pc store.
4) production has been awesome? i can only guess that you are actually blind, and clearly deaf.

Gamegene
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United States8308 Posts
July 08 2011 23:42 GMT
#220
On July 09 2011 08:35 iamtheoneneo wrote:
I hear a troll creeping through the woods.....and his name is Jepsyn.

lets address your points in detail shall we:

1) really? so you paid $25 for this POS? id ask for my money back.
2) do not understand what peole are on about? go and read the 600 pages explaining in great detail all the problems - to name a few - late start, bad vid, bad sound (mono), massive delays between games, terrible obs, incorrect VT;s - we could go on.
3)your headset statement is pure ineptitude....and actually deserves no counter argument since your clearly living in some b+w, 60s style world where headsets are seemingly inferior to what i could probably guess at your $10 pc speakers you got from some mass chain pc store.
4) production has been awesome? i can only guess that you are actually blind, and clearly deaf.



Or you're just childishly overreacting.
Throw on your favorite jacket and you're good to roll. Stroll through the trees and let your miseries go.
entropius
Profile Joined June 2010
United States1046 Posts
July 09 2011 00:13 GMT
#221
Also, the contrast on the camera is set too high. Lots of stuff is lost in the shadows, yet you're clipping the red channel on Inc's face, leading to interesting color shifts and such.

Not sure what they're using as a camera, of course, but I can't imagine that it doesn't have a contrast control. The most sensible thing for them to use, probably, would be a DSLR or SLR-like camera with video out (like the Panasonic GH1); all of the ones that I know about have contrast controls.

Jepsyn
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Canada364 Posts
July 09 2011 00:14 GMT
#222
I wasn't trolling at all i actually feel that way and i know for a fact my pc speakers are better than a headset.... just saying things arent that bad and people are over reacting for no apparent reason whatsoever
"Wonder what this game would be like if protoss units cost money" - IdrA
dorsch
Profile Joined June 2011
Germany3 Posts
July 09 2011 00:31 GMT
#223
Noone's overreacting here, Jepsyn. It's in NASL's interest to get some constructive criticism, isn't it?
As ceaRshaf already wrote, there are more and more sc2 tournaments so you have to be as good as possible to be able to compete in future. You're not helping them at all with your "well, I can endure it, so why say anything"-attitude. No one wants to the guys behind the NASL, quite the opposite is the case, we're trying to help them make it better. They have the funds, they have the players, so why not make the most of it?

And please don't tell me that your boxes enable you to hear muted microphones ... or filter out the hissing in the intweviews (well, the last one was much better actually).
Karimarabu
Profile Joined April 2011
Romania9 Posts
July 09 2011 01:02 GMT
#224
is zenio vs sen stil 0-0??
Do you want to know who you are? Don't ask. Act! Action will delineate and define you.
Fredbearr
Profile Joined May 2011
United States14 Posts
July 09 2011 01:23 GMT
#225
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WAT
Kenpachi
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States9908 Posts
July 09 2011 02:46 GMT
#226
Day9 is hot
Nada's body is South Korea's greatest weapon.
Xaxziminrax
Profile Joined April 2011
United States19 Posts
July 09 2011 04:54 GMT
#227
<3 SelecT
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
DarthSti
Profile Joined July 2011
Netherlands1 Post
July 09 2011 04:55 GMT
#228
lol this is AWESOME
RooneyPHX
Profile Joined May 2011
United States11 Posts
July 09 2011 06:36 GMT
#229
did something happen wih incontrol being "rude" or "a total ***" ? i tuned in late and saw alot of negative comments about him shacking someones hand...?
RooneyPHX
Profile Joined May 2011
United States11 Posts
July 09 2011 06:42 GMT
#230
id like to add that although it didnt exactly work out great...its the first day of a brand new tournament...not everything will go great but hopefully the (many) problems will lead to solutions and a great season 2
Medrea
Profile Joined May 2011
10003 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-09 07:29:49
July 09 2011 07:29 GMT
#231
On July 09 2011 15:36 RooneyPHX wrote:
did something happen wih incontrol being "rude" or "a total ***" ? i tuned in late and saw alot of negative comments about him shacking someones hand...?


Someone give this man the gif.

in the meantime!

twitch.tv/medrea
ceaRshaf
Profile Joined August 2009
Romania4926 Posts
July 09 2011 08:14 GMT
#232
id like to add that although it didnt exactly work out great...its the first day of a brand new tournament...not everything will go great but hopefully the (many) problems will lead to solutions and a great season 2


Yeah,right. Because we pay 25$ for an investment in NASL.

People, learn to stick for the right things. This means progression.

Members seem to say that Home Story Cup also had issues and started late. Yes, it started ALWAYS late, but I loved the waiting there, because after that IT DELIVERED. Also, Home Story Cup is unique. NASL is not, it just wants to be like the big boys, but it doesn't deliver the bare standard, the bare minimum. We have the right to be disappointed and speak loud about it. Organizers need to know that viewers will not come just for good games anymore. There are too many tournaments, too many competitions.

And my rage with NASL is not with the technical stuff. That can happen. But with all the small things, that EVERY NOOB STREAMER DOES RIGHT. Like the bad graphix that are ugly and are overlapping. Like the bad observer that made you sick to the stomach. Like the lack of any official information about what is going on and why we are starting 2 h late. Like the focus on a camera. Like the contrast in the game. Like the huge downtimes between games. Like the use of bad casters. AND SO ON.

Many of those are easy fixes, but they looked like they don't check for things and don't care.

Mess with the best, die like the rest.
StReEtWaLkeR
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United States57 Posts
July 09 2011 09:02 GMT
#233
I watched all the games yesterday but the stream audio was getting iffy during the evening. (I barely had to pump up the volume on my speakers) I was gonna drive up from Los Angeles to actually watch the games live but i didn't

I expected White-Ra to give a challenge to SeleCT but terran won easily. I was sad that Tastetosis didn't cast the final and most hyped match, BoxeR vs MC.

SeleCT is my favorite to win it all, but after seeing all the games I think either July or MC are gonna take it. GGs for the weekend.
Avean
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Norway449 Posts
July 09 2011 09:19 GMT
#234
wtf was up with zenio not shaking incontrols hand ?
SuperFanBoy
Profile Joined June 2011
New Zealand1068 Posts
July 09 2011 09:47 GMT
#235
On July 09 2011 18:19 Avean wrote:
wtf was up with zenio not shaking incontrols hand ?


I don't think it was intentional, he was doing his pre-game hype by going and doing a stare down with sen, I don't think he noticed Incontrol attempting to shake his hand..

I genuinely felt bad for incontrol though..
Moxi
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
708 Posts
July 09 2011 11:05 GMT
#236
On July 09 2011 16:29 Medrea wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 09 2011 15:36 RooneyPHX wrote:
did something happen wih incontrol being "rude" or "a total ***" ? i tuned in late and saw alot of negative comments about him shacking someones hand...?


Someone give this man the gif.

in the meantime!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RB72uZwBP8I&feature=player_embedded



Why did he dismiss him like that? Damn troll BM, I feel bad for incontrol.
Shoggoth
Profile Joined February 2011
England75 Posts
July 09 2011 12:03 GMT
#237
*throw money at Koreans*
Fiend of a thousand faces
Rococo
Profile Joined May 2011
United States331 Posts
July 09 2011 12:19 GMT
#238
On July 09 2011 20:05 Moxi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 09 2011 16:29 Medrea wrote:
On July 09 2011 15:36 RooneyPHX wrote:
did something happen wih incontrol being "rude" or "a total ***" ? i tuned in late and saw alot of negative comments about him shacking someones hand...?


Someone give this man the gif.

in the meantime!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RB72uZwBP8I&feature=player_embedded



Why did he dismiss him like that? Damn troll BM, I feel bad for incontrol.


It's pretty clear from the clip that Zenio didn't notice he had his hand extended.
Drteeth
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Great Britain415 Posts
July 09 2011 12:51 GMT
#239
On July 09 2011 16:29 Medrea wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 09 2011 15:36 RooneyPHX wrote:
did something happen wih incontrol being "rude" or "a total ***" ? i tuned in late and saw alot of negative comments about him shacking someones hand...?


Someone give this man the gif.

in the meantime!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RB72uZwBP8I&feature=player_embedded




THIS, was way too funny lol
Nice cheese ....GG!
Chargelot
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
2275 Posts
July 09 2011 14:47 GMT
#240
On July 09 2011 16:29 Medrea wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 09 2011 15:36 RooneyPHX wrote:
did something happen wih incontrol being "rude" or "a total ***" ? i tuned in late and saw alot of negative comments about him shacking someones hand...?


Someone give this man the gif.

in the meantime!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RB72uZwBP8I&feature=player_embedded


I died a little inside. That's such a horribly embarrassing thing when it happens to you. It's not really a big deal, but you fucking feel it.
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teddyoojo
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
Germany22369 Posts
July 09 2011 15:13 GMT
#241
LOL anyone else noticed sen waving to zenio when he stared at him? :D:D:D:D::D:D:D:Dahawhhawh
<3 sen
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Sableyeah
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Netherlands2119 Posts
July 09 2011 15:48 GMT
#242
Hey guys, I missed the later half of yesterday > Right side of the brackets. Is there any way to catch up on those before the RO8 - RO4 starts today? I can't find the vods on nasl.tv!

Thanks
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SnowSC2
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States678 Posts
July 09 2011 16:21 GMT
#243
On July 10 2011 00:48 Sableyeah wrote:
Hey guys, I missed the later half of yesterday > Right side of the brackets. Is there any way to catch up on those before the RO8 - RO4 starts today? I can't find the vods on nasl.tv!

Thanks

http://www.justin.tv/naslseasonone/b/289760354 youll have to skip around, its a 12 hour vod
xphantomx
Profile Joined February 2011
United States37 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-09 18:03:13
July 09 2011 18:01 GMT
#244
LOL i couldnt hel[ but notice that theyre starting late......... -.-
Edit: oops i didnt notice that the stream is under featured not under on air on sidebar
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Synwave
Profile Joined July 2009
United States2803 Posts
July 09 2011 23:51 GMT
#245
Really smooth write-up and the graphical element is very pleasing to look at. Obviously some opinions vary but yeah this was a well spent time reading.
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uGoatt
Profile Joined November 2010
United States85 Posts
July 10 2011 01:55 GMT
#246
rachel quirico is so secksy
aeoliant
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Canada361 Posts
July 10 2011 16:40 GMT
#247
nice pictures!
Coolhwip
Profile Joined March 2011
Sweden1381 Posts
July 10 2011 20:44 GMT
#248
I think the interviewer thinks starcraft 2 is pretty cool
crack
SPooNiTe
Profile Joined July 2011
33 Posts
July 13 2011 15:26 GMT
#249
Really well written thanks.
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