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[LP] The R&S Revolution
June 30th, 2011 16:47 GMT
taking a week off of Starcraft II. You spend some beautiful time offline, with your girl or boyfriend in a house in the mountains, practising your back-flip hatchet attack. You come back relaxed and rested and quickly catch up with what happened in the ESPORTS-cosmos throughout the week. Quickly? Hardly! First, remember all the leagues going on. Then look for them. If you are lucky, there will be a R&S thread on teamliquid. If you are even more lucky, it's being updated in time. Sometimes you have to dig through Live Report threads (and hope that the thread creator did his job). Sometimes you have to visit other, badly formatted pages. It's a hassle, but a thing we have to go through.
It has been one of Liquipedia's goals to provide clean, easy to read and instantly updated results for all the major leagues. As  Columbus 2011 has shown, we are almost there. However, we are taking it one step further. A page has been started that holds the tournament results for two weeks: The one which has just passed and the one going on at the moment. Old pages will be preserved and be yours to read again, hopefully for years to come. If you want to know what's going on, Liquipedia will have your one stop resource:
Why?
The idea behind the page is quite simple. With so many tournaments and an equal number of champions, the demand for tournament result sources has been greater than ever. Throughout the last months we've seen [R&S] Results and Standings topics and well-updated Live Report threads, we've seen shows like SC Center and State of the Game taking us through recent and relevant results and Mikilatov's tournament round-ups denominate the top-dog of the week(s).
All of these have done excellent and commendable work, yet, all three methods have their downsides. The source is either dependent on a single person, decentralised, in a non-optimal format, or take an immense load of work for a single person to undertake. Using the wiki mentality where Everyone Can Contribute we plan to address these qualms.
You can easily find your way through major tournaments, such as NASL, GSL, and Dreamhack, along with several weekly cups.
With a central hub that everyone can edit as the tournaments are happening we think this will be a great success. Amazing displays of these community-driven powers were already visible during MLG Columbus, ShoutCraft Invitational, and Dreamhack Summer. With this new format, it should be much easier for every starcraft-loving nerd to hop on board.
Each tournament has its results nicely formatted.
How can I help?
"Everyone can contribute". Sure. But you might not be sure how. Or whether it's difficult. Or whether it requires some special set of skills or knowledge. Or whether it will take up copious amounts of time.
For these people, our recently added staff member, Noam, put together a short and handy tutorial.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NKgIflUHTr0
Since he is new to staff, we have asked Noam a few questions about himself and about the project.
LP: So, you're new to Liquipedia staff. Introduce yourself!
Hello, my name is Noam and I am from Israel. I first got to TL at around 2009 when someone linked me to a stream of Korean Brood War, then there were some TSLs to follow and I just lurked around until StarCraft II came out and then I started actually posting. Then I started doing some casting of it in Hebrew, mostly of our Israeli pro players (yes we got pro players, Osho hwaiting!), and with the help of Pholon started adding some content about the Israeli Scene. From there it was a short step to adding content and fixing articles all over the place, but mostly Tournaments. I love Tournaments, and the LP staff noticed it and invited me to become staff.
LP: Excellent. Something rather big has been started recently by some of the LP staff, yourself among them. Care to elaborate?
As you just read, I love Tournaments. I can't get enough of them and I know you can't either. But it's really hard to follow them because there are so many great tournaments. LP has always been the place to be to find information regarding SC2, and it has a lot of information about tournaments. But information must be organized properly so it is easy to find and understand. This is where the Recent Results page comes in. It will help everyone that follows the professional SC2 scene to remain updated without working too hard, sifting through many threads and websites. I don't know if you guys noticed, but there are 4 totally separate, equally amazing, ways to find information about tournaments.
LP: Go on...
First you have a LR thread which requires one diligent person to update its OP. Second you have TLPD, which eventually has a great summary of results and statistics, but it relies on a short list of amazing people to keep it updated. Third is Mikilatov's Tournament Round-up which is a great way to see who's hot, who's earning the big cash, and to find a lot of events you've never heard about. This also is one man's amazing work which comes every couple of weeks. And last, and certainly the most awesomest and best, is Liquipedia. LP holds so much information, and it can be either updated with results every other minute (read: MLG Columbus), or it can be missing important information (see Tournaments Without a Page). The beauty of Liquipedia is that it's all about us, anyone can assist, anyone can help.
LP: So what's the goal of this new page?
This is where the Recent Tournament Results page comes in. It cannot replace those 4 amazing entities I mentioned, as they each have a place and a purpose, but it can give us one, concise, constantly updated, beautifully formatted, page to get all the recent results. But it can only be that page with the help of the community, and helping simply means adding in the results of the tournament you are most likely watching on stream right now while reading this article. It takes 20 seconds to add in a result, and anyone can do it, and everyone should do it.
So what are you waiting for? Recent Tournament Results is yours to make it great!
- Liquipedia staff ![[image loading]](http://pic.phyrefile.com/s/sa/salle/2011/04/27/42eY9.png)
P.S.: Happy belated 2nd birthday to Liquipedia, which has apparently become self-aware!
Useful Liquipedia Links:
Liquipedia Feedback Thread
PM a Liquipedia Staff Member: Aesop, Pholon, Imperator, Noam, Flicky, TheFallofTroy, salle, tofucake
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Hyrule19236 Posts
FCongrats to Noam and Happy Birthday LP :D
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Hyrule19236 Posts
Remember kids, editing Liquipedia grants time traveling powers.
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United States313 Posts
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Nice, I'll try to help! :D
EDIT: BTW one question, how are you going to control trolls abusing that power?
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Mhhhhhh what a pleasure. Exactly something like that I searched a long time 
THX TL for being more awesome every day
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Wow this is so useful! Really awesome!
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So awesome. Been wishing for something like this for a while.
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Sounds great, I'll try to contribute to the great cause! Relay results gave me a laugh.
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United States4796 Posts
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That's bloody clever !
Liquipedians are awsome.
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Nice good job idd! Happy bday LP2!
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This is a glorious inovation.
I will be using and helping as much as possible.
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I can envision people abusing this 
Great idea though!
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Awesome idea! I've been searching for quite some time something like this. Thanks a lot! =))
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this is cool, good tutorial video!
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Hyrule19236 Posts
On July 01 2011 01:56 Axel.Bowex wrote:
Nice, I'll try to help! :D
EDIT: BTW one question, how are you going to control trolls abusing that power?
People who vandalize Liquipedia are banned from Liquipedia. And TL. Also, I control it.
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On July 01 2011 02:34 tofucake wrote:Show nested quote +On July 01 2011 01:56 Axel.Bowex wrote:
Nice, I'll try to help! :D
EDIT: BTW one question, how are you going to control trolls abusing that power? People who vandalize Liquipedia are banned from Liquipedia. And TL. Also, I control it.
Is there a banned list for Liquidpedia?
Also i really need to step it up and get some Coinage, I will try to start helping out asap.
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Will it include 2v2 tournament results as well?
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Netherlands6142 Posts
On July 01 2011 02:23 XXGeneration wrote:I can envision people abusing this Great idea though!
Hmm.. not sure what's you mean by abusing...
If 1) you think that if someone enters the wrong results for, say, GSL, GOMTV officials will immediately pick up on it and override their own records of the matches I don't think that'd be likely to happen.
If 2) you think that people might put in the wrong results on purpose to freak other people out I will have you look at tofucake on the previous page who is like a bulldog but viciouser and mercilesser and doesn't have any kind of 10 commandments he needs to uphold but can basically swing a giant spiky hammer at whoever does such a thing at posting the wrong results.
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Netherlands6142 Posts
On July 01 2011 02:34 tofucake wrote:Show nested quote +On July 01 2011 01:56 Axel.Bowex wrote:
Nice, I'll try to help! :D
EDIT: BTW one question, how are you going to control trolls abusing that power? People who vandalize Liquipedia are banned from Liquipedia. And TL. Also, I control it.
Also, tofucake never sleeps
+ Show Spoiler +
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Sweden5554 Posts
On July 01 2011 02:40 Wheelyman wrote:
Will it include 2v2 tournament results as well?
Yes, but only if the 2v2 tournament is notable enough and someone is updating the results.
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Wow! The page looks great!
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This is fantastic! Amazing job. :D
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Epic. I intend to help as much as I can.
Noam fightinggggggg!
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I've known about this for a bit, but it's great that more people will start using/updating it now ^^ ty Noam Pholon and rest of liquipedia force
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Why is there no IPL on the R&S page?
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Wow! Thank you guys so much!!
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Nice job!!! Really useful!
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The pro relay race was hilarious. Hot_Bid ran like Forrest lol
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I think this is exactly what I have been waiting for
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Greats additions.
Again, awesome job to all LiquiPedia team. Even though we don't always show our satisfaction, you can be 100% sure we love you and appreciate all you efforts! ♥
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Awesome guys! Looks great :D
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good to hear that the news area is going to be more formated and such
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Thanks, Teamliquid, and community for this, it's awesome!
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Two things.
1) Nice page ;o
2) I just learned that coL.stalife is now coL.steak thanks to LP. Wtf kind of name is steak. Jesus christ. I mean... holy shit. WTF? I thought it was a troll change, but then I looked at history and it seems legit. My god... I'm in shock. Stalife.... WHY STEAK NUUUU
Time to pass out my brain is out.
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If there was an actual incentive to edit TLPD and not those lame coins in the bottom-right corner of your post, I'm sure more people would be willing to help, what matters is the bar at the top of the post, anything below that looks the same for virtually every single poster.
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o hells yeah, bookmarking as we speak! thanks.
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oh god this was SO needed, as if I didn't use LP enought already =)
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Sweden5554 Posts
On July 01 2011 04:48 ChickenLips wrote:
If there was an actual incentive to edit TLPD and not those lame coins in the bottom-right corner of your post, I'm sure more people would be willing to help, what matters is the bar at the top of the post, anything below that looks the same for virtually every single poster.
And here I thought contributing to the community was in it self the biggest incentive, silly me.
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SO. MUCH. TIME. SAVED.
Thanks a lot, the stated issue is clear, and the solution very satisfying indeed!
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double post, dumb 3G internet..
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On July 01 2011 05:00 salle wrote:Show nested quote +On July 01 2011 04:48 ChickenLips wrote:
If there was an actual incentive to edit TLPD and not those lame coins in the bottom-right corner of your post, I'm sure more people would be willing to help, what matters is the bar at the top of the post, anything below that looks the same for virtually every single poster. And here I thought contributing to the community was in it self the biggest incentive, silly me.
If you wanna contribute to the community, the forums is the place to be, the number of people you will reach through TLPD fades in comparison to that of the forums.
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This is very informing, thanks for the hub.
TeamLiquid informing!
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On July 01 2011 04:37 EtherealDeath wrote:
Two things.
1) Nice page ;o
2) I just learned that coL.stalife is now coL.steak thanks to LP. Wtf kind of name is steak. Jesus christ. I mean... holy shit. WTF? I thought it was a troll change, but then I looked at history and it seems legit. My god... I'm in shock. Stalife.... WHY STEAK NUUUU
Time to pass out my brain is out.
but steak is awesome =(
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The big reveal, yay. =)
I really hope this goes well... I wish I could abandon life and just contribute to this all day.
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United States7481 Posts
On July 01 2011 05:04 ChickenLips wrote:Show nested quote +On July 01 2011 05:00 salle wrote:On July 01 2011 04:48 ChickenLips wrote:
If there was an actual incentive to edit TLPD and not those lame coins in the bottom-right corner of your post, I'm sure more people would be willing to help, what matters is the bar at the top of the post, anything below that looks the same for virtually every single poster. And here I thought contributing to the community was in it self the biggest incentive, silly me. If you wanna contribute to the community, the forums is the place to be, the number of people you will reach through TLPD fades in comparison to that of the forums.
hey man just to let you know, lp and tlpd are different things (the main difference being that tlpd is for elite users and lp is for plebeians like tofucake)
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Hyrule19236 Posts
On July 01 2011 04:48 ChickenLips wrote:
If there was an actual incentive to edit TLPD and not those lame coins in the bottom-right corner of your post, I'm sure more people would be willing to help, what matters is the bar at the top of the post, anything below that looks the same for virtually every single poster.
TLPD has no incentive. TLPD is inferior. Long live LP.
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Sweden5554 Posts
On July 01 2011 05:04 ChickenLips wrote:Show nested quote +On July 01 2011 05:00 salle wrote:On July 01 2011 04:48 ChickenLips wrote:
If there was an actual incentive to edit TLPD and not those lame coins in the bottom-right corner of your post, I'm sure more people would be willing to help, what matters is the bar at the top of the post, anything below that looks the same for virtually every single poster. And here I thought contributing to the community was in it self the biggest incentive, silly me. If you wanna contribute to the community, the forums is the place to be, the number of people you will reach through TLPD fades in comparison to that of the forums.
Firstly, the number of people you reach depends on the value and or quality of your contribution, if it's a good resource people will share the link on different platforms.
Secondly, TLPD is a different thing than Liquipedia. The former is a Progamer Database, the latter is a wiki. TLPD don't have any coins, those are for Liquipedia.
Thirdly, Liquipedia has about 10% of the page views and unique visitors of TL.net, I wouldn't say that fades in comparison as a lot of the posts on the forum don't directly contribute to the ESPORTS community. (Except that it creates a better TL.net community, but that wasn't what I was talking about.)
I'm not trying to say the wiki is better than the forum, in many ways it's inferior (and I don't mean in the amount of visitors) for some things the forum is just better suited for user contributions. For others the progamer database is better. But there's also a few different types of contributions where the wiki is the best platform.
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Very nice. Thank you for your efforts!
It will definitely a big improvement in tracing tournament results.
Do you plan on implementing this for SC:BW, too?
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Definitely the best tournament tool to date. keeps track of close to everything... love it GJ TL
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This is awesome. I will use it for sure if it keeps updated, and also contribute from time to time!
EDIT: I do forsee a problem, the results aren't hidden while the page hasn't quite loaded yet, spoiling things. This is probably only a problem for me and my terrible Australian internet, but perhaps there could be some modification to the code so that the hidden doobie loads before the content?
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Finally! I've always wished for this.
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On July 01 2011 01:56 Axel.Bowex wrote:
Nice, I'll try to help! :D
EDIT: BTW one question, how are you going to control trolls abusing that power?
I think mods check edits before they go through. It's still a lot easier than having to go make the changes themselves.
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I see a stampede of Teamliquid users in search of a golden coin in the near future. May the best man win the race to update the recent results page ^_^
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My homepage,
it has now changed.
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I have 7 bookmarks that go to liquipedia tournament results. The R & S Revolution seems like a good idea, but I like my way better-- more organized.
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this is an awesome idea! actually i've already been using liquipedia to follow tournament results for some time now, but sometimes it wasn't really up do date and having to use an LR thread which sometimes doesn't have an up to date op is a huge pita (since those threads oftentimes have dozens if not hundreds of pages and thus are somewhat useless).
but i wonder if the TLPD isn't the more appropriate place for such information, since the data has to be entered there as well sooner or later to keep player profiles up to date.
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Australia1191 Posts
Congrats to Noam and Happy Birthday LP ^^
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Oh I will SOOOOOO be using the shit out of this. AWESOME IDEA!
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Great idea, I hope it works out very well for you and it seems while reading a few of the comments that there will be a good amount of help nice to see the community pull together.
TL just keeps getting better and better good luck with the Continuing journey to being Godly lol.
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Gratz Noam!! Happy birthday LP :D
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Sick update and happy second birthday Liquipedia!
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On July 01 2011 05:00 salle wrote:Show nested quote +On July 01 2011 04:48 ChickenLips wrote:
If there was an actual incentive to edit TLPD and not those lame coins in the bottom-right corner of your post, I'm sure more people would be willing to help, what matters is the bar at the top of the post, anything below that looks the same for virtually every single poster. And here I thought contributing to the community was in it self the biggest incentive, silly me.
Srsly.
Knowing that every little bit helps, and just taking a couple seconds to correct/add small things when there's a typo or missing result is all that's needed to make LP a better encyclopedia.
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This is great to have. People don't have the time to watch all the tournaments out there, but this will definitely make that less of a problem.
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Excellent feature, I see myself using this often in the future. There are sooo many tournaments, its awesome that we now have a centralised place to see the results. Thanks guy!
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Fantastic feature. I like it very much already.
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Aotearoa39261 Posts
GSL updated as the games are played.
Now that's a live scoreboard for you lol
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Wow this is fabulous! Extremely angry it took THIS LONG for something like this to be created. I really hope that this is something that is going to become a permanent part of Team Liquid and not just a stop gap. The community needs something like this to go to.
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WOW, Awesome work! Props to Noam!
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this is great, a easier way to findin the results without havign to search through the tournament thread!!!!
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Really cool that TL is now big enough to give Liquipedia the manpower necessary for such a time-consuming ongoing project.
It's already been useful to me today for checking the GSL results from work.
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Excellent, a step in the right direction
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Noam is a pillar of the Israeli SC2 community, and I'm happy that he's getting recognized for his work on TL as well.
Sir, you are a scholar and a gentlemen, and I'm proud to be your friend both in the construct of the game and out of it.
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What a perfect timing for this, just spent over a week on Roskilde Festival + graduation party and then I come back home to my favorite site, TeamLiquid, and find this gem on the frontpage. <3 you TeamLiquid, don't ever change.
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