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[GSL] "Just Desserts" Super Tournament Rankings

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[GSL] "Just Desserts" Super Tournament Rankings

Text byAntoine
Graphics byHawaiianPig
May 21st, 2011 22:28 GMT

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“Just Desserts”

GSL Super Tournament Preview
By GTR and Antoine


Think about the GSL as a nice dinner. If the Open Seasons were the appetizer, and the League Seasons were the main course, with the World Championships as the cheese course and the Team Leagues as the wines, then the Super Tournament is dessert. The perfect dessert goes well with everything else, makes you reminiscent of the earlier courses, and ties the whole meal together. The Super Tournament brings the huge format and even bigger prize of the Open Seasons and the better players identified through the League Seasons into 1 huge tournament with all the best qualities. To that end, we’ve categorized the players into different groups of desserts, ranking them along the way.


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Fat free or sugar free pretty much goes against the whole idea of dessert. It’s not supposed to be healthy – you’re allowed to let go a little. That’s not to say that frozen yogurt or sugar-free chocolate chip cookies are outright bad, but they don’t compare to the real thing. The players in this category would beat almost everybody outside the GSL, but they can’t stand up to this competition. Disregard the fact that HawaiianPig used a picture of a sugar cookies for this graphic.

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64. (P)LegalMind
Not much to say about Legalmind. He reached his zenith back in season 1 (guess which clan he was in at the time), making it to the round of 16 before falling victim to a makarax from the man himself. Since then, he doesn’t have anything to hang his hat on besides maybe the fact that he took a game (but not the match) off Losira. He doesn’t even have any standout matchups, with a 33.33% win rate in each. Tastosis have often referred to him as the worst code S player ever, and it’s hard to disagree.

63. (T)ButterflyEffect
Sometimes known as ChaosTheory, his record isn’t significantly better than Legalmind’s. However, he does have a way cooler ID.

62. (Z)JookTo
JookTo doesn’t have any match victories over strong players (although he did take a game off Losira recently in the SK Champion’s trophy). However, he did beat LegalMind in the wild-card tournament between January and March GSLs.


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In this tier, we start getting into the real desserts. This includes donuts, cookies, cupcakes, or anything along those lines. These confectionary delights tickle the tastebuds, and might surprise you with how good they taste, but they don’t really leave you filled up. The competitors in this tier will definitely show some good play, and might well cause an upset, but it’s doubtful they’ll go all the way.

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61. (P)Creator
Creator’s big achievement is knocking out fan favorite Leenock from code A this past season. He also showed some promise in the next round against Ryung, but he has yet to show he can perform well consistently, which is what is needed to move up.

60. (P)Banbanssu
I don’t have anything to say about his play. His ID, on the other hand… when I first saw it, I thought it referred to Bon Bons, you know, the candy. However, in his Artosis interview, he said that it stands for his preferred everyday apparel: shorts, t-shirt, and slippers. I’m an aficionado of those myself (have some badass wolf slippers), so I can dig that. But what’s up with anglicizing it VanVanth? That’s not how it sounds! Come on, man.

59. (Z)Line
Line doesn’t have any outstanding in-season results, with his only series win being over flash-in-the-pan FreeDSL all the way back in season 2. He does deserve some credit for beating GSTL hero Taeja in the final round of the GSL May code A qualifiers, though.

58. (Z)Moon
At the beginning of this year, the question was: Who of the legends is going to recreate their Warcraft 3 success first, Moon or Grubby? At this point, the answer is neither. Grubby accomplished the previously unthinkable task of losing to Artosis in the NASL this past week (and 0-2 at that), and Moon’s most memorable moments have been failed baneling bombs.

57. (T)Rain
We run into our first Code S player, and first former Code S finalist. With those results, in seems impossible to be so low, but the fact remains that when you’ve watched a Rain game, you never come away feeling like he played really well. Even his wins are dissatisfactory, often seemingly more losses on his opponent’s part.

56. (T)Jjun
Jjun’s results aren’t that horrible when you look closely at them. He had a good run in the first GSTL, and most of his losses come against good players like Bomber or MMA. On the other hand, he doesn’t have any really outstanding wins.

55. (T)August
Like so many players in this range, August has some decent wins, but no really outstanding ones. He just can’t seem to get over the hump. He’ll always hold a place in my heart for that awesome battlecruiser rush in season 1.

54. (Z)Check
Check has been perhaps the most consistently average player in the GSL. Until only his opponent was left alive in the up-down matches this season, Check was 1 of 2 players to be in the top 32 every open season and code S every league season of the GSL, and the other won’t be showing up on this list until almost the top 25.

53. (Z)Cezanne
Cezanne, to me, gets a little bit lost in the oGs house. He’s overshadowed by Zenio, who has better results and did the Idra backhand ceremony, and TheWind, who has better results and is the coach. Cezanne’s results aren’t bad though. In fact, he’s the last one to beat Bomber in a BoX series.

52. (Z)Junwi
Ah, Junwi, the man so eager to practice that he misspelled his clan name when using his fre rename on battle.net. Unfortunately, his results haven’t paid off for him. He has extremely poor results in vP and vT. His vZ has actually shown promise, beating teammates Horror and Losira in the Clash of the Houses. If Junwi wants to win the super tournament, he has to somehow get by Virus then hope for a CoCa -> Kyrix -> Zenio -> Losira -> FruitdDealer route.

51. (T)Noblesse
Noblesse used to be known as Cute, so it’s understandable why he changed nicknames. His new ID is probably Moletrap’s favorite, judging by the number of times he’s explained what it means and how eager he is to do so. For two seasons in a row, Noblesse has defeated his first round opponent but flamed out in the 2nd round. It’s time for him to step up his game.

50. (Z)RevivaL
Revival’s old ID was Pretty, so we’ve got two guys in a row with previous IDs that are better used to describe one of the Kpop intro girls than SC2 players. Revival lost in the ro16 of March code A, and the ro32 this past GSL, but neither Ryung nor Huk is embarrassing to lose to.

49. (T)Hyperdub
In recent GSLs, Hyperdub has been done in by a poor TvT. This does not bode well for his chances in the super tournament. His first-round opponent is sC, and although Hyperdub beat sC in their last meeting, that was 4 months ago and sC is 18-9 overall in TvT.

48. (T)BoxeR
Oh, Boxer… I think we’d all like nothing more than to see you at the top of the list. But while you founder in the lower reaches of code A, it’s hard to put you any higher. Then there’s the fact that both possible 2nd round opponents are Zerg, by far your worst matchup. Finally, although you deserve credit for assembling the most successful SC2 team to date, you can’t get any playing time in the team league. Maybe in a non-winner-stays-on format you’d have a better chance.

47. (T)Lyn
Surprisingly Lyn, not Moon or Grubby, is the most successful to date of the prominent WC3 players. He had seemingly been on a constant rise every time he showed up. His recent plummet out of code S halted that rise, so we’ll have to see if he can bounce back.

46. (Z)Kyrix
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45. (T)TheBest
TheBest has been more like TheWorst since the turn of the new year, going 3-16 since January 3rd. Before that he looked really solid, maybe even living up to his name as TheBestfOu. Also, he was about | | that close to winning the 3rd and deciding game against Min.

44. (P)Choya
43. (Z)TheWinD

I’ve grouped these two together. Both of them are players and head coaches of their team. Both of them have had middling success. TheWind gets the edge due to his slightly better results as well as the fact that he’s more willing to step into the background and let the solely players go to the fore.


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Now we’re getting somewhere. Ice cream has a lot of the best qualities. You know what you’re getting with ice cream, whether it’s picking an old reliable flavor or taking the free sample. The best ice creams (Half Baked, anyone?) can blow your socks off. If you go for the 3 scoops, you can eat your fill. For some reason, though, eating a lot of ice cream isn’t entirely satisfying. These upcoming players have a lot of great qualities. They’re dependable, or have shown flashes of brilliance if they’ve only been around for a short time. One of them could surprise and take the whole thing. But all of them are missing that ineffable something.

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42. (T)Ensnare
Ensnare was one of the scariest terrans all the way back in the beta. Since then, many others have caught up and passed him by. Still, it’s hard to criticize him too much. After losing to Lyn 0-2 in March Code S, he turned around and beat him 2-0 in May Up/Down matches. Maybe that’s a sign of Ensnare resurgence rather than Lyn falling back to earth.

41. (Z)viOlet
I often think of up-and-coming zergs as a group, and viOlet is one of them. These are people like Losira or DongRaeGu who didn’t show much of anything in the open seasons, but are starting to come on strong now. viOlet was pretty good at Warcraft III, and his confidence gained there helps him not shrink from any big matches. Although he disappointed in the GSTL, he is one to watch in the Super Tournament and then upcoming code S.

40. (T)RainBOw
Now we start to get into the players that have had real success in the past. RainbOw did really well in Open S1 until the finals, and was on a roll in S2 as well until he ran into a young kid using the ID BoxeR in the round of 4. That sent him into a long slump that lasted all the way to March. RainbOw then experienced a brief renaissance, with 5 consecutive wins, but since then he has 6 straight losses. Can he get back into a hot streak?

39. (P)Genius
Genius had a lot of hype going into the first season of GSL. He was widely accepted as one of the best protoss, and maybe even the best sc2 player in Korea. Then he got double-cheesed by DAVIT, he of the spectacular interview. Less than a week later he bounced back by winning the BlizzCon qualifier, but since then it’s been a struggle to stay consistent for Genius, just barely staying in code S each season. Now on team MvP with his good friend DongRaeGu, maybe he’ll be able to sustain some good play.

38. (T)Maka
Maka has a lot in common with Genius. He had a ton of hype in season 1, he went to Blizzcon, and he has struggled in 2011. Maka actually dropped out of Code A after season 2 and didn’t make it back for s3, but outside of GSL he has shown good enough performance in the SK Champions Trophy and FXO KotH to edge him past Genius.

37. (Z)YuGiOh
YuGiOh (or as I still call him, NewDawn) is pretty good vP and vT, with positive winrates in both. He struggles somewhat vZ, but it’s not like he can’t win any. He beats lesser players like Line and his opponent in the last round of Code A, but against more recognizable players like Leenock , July, and viOlet, he can’t get it done. Fortunately for him, the brackets are set up such that he won’t face a zerg in either of the first 2 rounds.

36. (T)Ryung
Ryung actually had some pretty good results in non-broadcasted tournaments before he burst onto the scene with his performance in GSTL March. He carried that GSTL momentum into Code A qualifiers before eventually losing to Bomber (no shame in that), but since then he’s had an undeniable falling off. He was never really close to getting through up-down matches, and he couldn’t match Genius’s army diversity in the GSTL finals. If Ryung can get back on track, though, he can make some noise.

35. (P)SangHo
SangHo, like Genius and Maka, was really hyped for a long time. Popular opinion is that the hype was more the result of his personal friendship with Tastosis than his actual play. It’s possible that in the rush to call him overrated due to that hype, SangHo/Killer actually became underhyped. SangHo paid his dues and fought his way through code A, then was on a roll in this past code S until he ran into Inca’s stellar PvP.

34. (Z)Min
Nobody will forget Min’s debut in the GSTL. His mass expand build was perfectly tailored for Tal’Darim Altar, and caught Inca completely off guard. That performance, along with a strong showing against TheBest in the first round of Code A, tantalizes enough that this ranking is justifiable despite only being 9-10 overall. He also took a game off of MVP, but it was a really quick one. Min will have to show his ability to consistently win in a long, closely contested game against a strong opponent to rise further.

33. (T)aLive
aLive has a very real claim to being the top terran on TSL, but I don’t really want to talk about that. Instead, I want to know about how TSL coach [Oops]Lee decides on the team league lineups. Is it by player request, or does he just choose? Because aLive transferred from fOu to TSL shortly before the GSTLs started, and since then he’s been a force against his former team. In February he had a 3-kill in the first round against fOu, and lost in his first game in the 2nd round. In March, he was sent out first and had a 2-kill. So does he request to get sent against his friends because he thinks he knows their strategies, or does coach Lee send him due to a mix of sadistic pleasure in seeing him against his former comrades and confidence in his performance against them?

32. (P)HuK
A lot has been made of the fact that HuK once said he had “top 3 control in the world.” Whenever he loses, somebody inevitably brings it up. When HuK was seeded into Code A in the 2nd season, he didn’t always show off that control, playing sloppily at times. Despite that, he managed to get through to Code S that same season, only losing series to the excellent vPs of Losira and Inca. In season 3 of Code S, HuK went 0-2 in his group and the clamors of the haters were at their loudest. Even his fans found it hard to deny that HuK seemed to let his nerves get to him, since he didn’t perform on TV nearly as well as he had been on his stream. When his up/down group of MarineKing and MMA was revealed, he was clearly the underdog. But by easily 2-0ing the vaunted MMA, HuK showed off that top 3 control, and gave everyone hope that he’s conquered his nerves.

31. (T)Keen
Keen’s TvT is undeniably weaker than his other matchups. Besides the series loss to a rampaging MVP last code A, he also lost in the ZOTAC team invitational to 2 weaker players, Virus and Hyperdub. Not many people are favored against MVP in a TvT, but if Keen wants to be a well-rounded player, he needs to be able to get past the 2nd tier of players and below. We’ll get to see just how much he’s improved there in his first-round matchup against Rain.

30. (Z)Leenock
Everybody loves Leenock. This cherubic zerg held the throne as the youngest GSL player for a long time, from Season 2 (when maru was no longer present) until he lost in the first round of last Code A. He’s in a really nasty slump right now, going 2-12 since March 9th. Leenock has shown in the past that he’s capable of bouncing back from slumps before, stomping through Code A after being unceremoniously dumped from Code S the previous season. Plus, how low can you really rank the guy who gave us the first “best GSL game EVER” (vs Clide on Shakuras, but I shouldn’t have to tell you that).

29. (T)Virus
Virus has managed to escape being under the microscope so far. Maybe it’s because he’s done the minimum to get where he is right now. In code A, he only got to the round of 8 – fortunately that’s all you need to get to the up/down matches. In those bouts, he lost the first set before getting through against Ace. This past code S, he did all you need to stay in, getting through his group but being immediately 0-2’d in the knockout rounds. Let’s see if he can have a more infectious showing in the Super Tournament.

28. (P)Squirtle
Squirtle’s true skill is hard to tackle. He whipped some tail in the 3rd open season, the first season of code A, and the first GSTL, but that bubble popped when he lost in the first round of season 2 Code A. After a water break, he gunned his way through IEM, taking 3rd behind his compatriots. Squirtle showed some bite in going straight back through the qualifiers, but was forced to withdraw again after being 0-2’d in the first round of Code A for the second season in a row. His coach showed faith in him by sending him out first against oGs in the most recent team league, where he won a game before Zenio bashed his skull in in the Bel’Shir Beach debut game. Overall, he’s been pretty up and down in Korean competition, but if he can bring his performance in international competition, where he’s been Hydro Pumping kids left and right, he’ll go deep.

27. (P)Ace
Of course, with how much they’ve competed in the same international competitions, it’s only natural that Ace is right next to Squirtle in the rankings too. Ace has been just a little bit better than Squirtle over the long haul. He took first compared to Squirtle’s 3rd at IEM. He beat Squirtle twice in StarTale in-house competitions. Both are 4-1 in NASL, but Ace has a 6 to 4 edge in tiebreaker points. Both went 1-1 against oGs in the recent team league, but Ace took out the guy that beat Squirtle. Ace has to be ahead of Squirtle, but his overall lack of success in the GSL to date makes it impossible to rank him higher.

26. (Z)FruitDealer
FruitDealer will always be an iconic figure in SC2. After he made his against-all-odds run to take the first GSL championship, he inspired players worldwide, even getting his own Blizzard art. He’s also been the most consistent SC2 player: as teased way above, he’s the only player to be in the top 32 at the conclusion of every GSL season. Recently he hasn’t been showing the same kind of fervor-inducing games that he did early on though. It’s hard to say what he’s missing, but whatever it is, everyone’s hoping he gets it back. The question is, will he? Well, there’s one good sign for him: counting the World Championship, everyone who’s won a GSL has won two, except FruitDealer.

25. (T)Clide
Cliiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiide. Often hailed by Tastosis as the best player not to win (or even get close to a win, really) , Clide has definitely shown some impressive games in the past. What slips under the radar while people are so quick to criticize the Tastosis mancrush is the fact that Clide has actually won his Ro32 group in all 3 code S seasons. His groupmates were no slouches either, including such players as MarineKing and Nestea. He can’t get it done in the Round of 16 for some reason, but if he can get over that hill who knows how far he’ll get.

24. (T)Byun
There was a time not very long ago when Byun was the next thing. He started off as just another protoss back in open seasons 1 and 2, and sort of disappeared for a while. Then, 3 months later, like a butterfly bursting out from its cocoon, he emerged as a rising terran star. Close observers saw his storming through the Gainward Torunament, but nobody predicted he’d crush through to the Code A finals like he did. Since he to to code S, though, he hasn’t impressed. He scraped through his group in season 2 thanks to Idra’s departure, and lost in the group stages of season 3. He’s still in code S, but right now he has to be hoping he can recapture that magic he had in January.

23. (T)Jinro
Ah, Jinro. The Gorilla Terran, once the only hope of the foreigners. One of the select few to reach the round of 4 two seasons in a row, there’s no denying that he fell into a slump. With the structure of tournaments in Korea, there haven’t been a ton of opportunities to see his play since, but what we have seen shows signs of a turnaround. In the FXO KotH he won resoundingly in his only game. In Stars War he took out his first round opponent before falling to MC. And in the Sagacity Invitational, he took out Stalife before falling to TOP. He still has a weirdly tough time with oGs members, but if he can sustain his recent momentum he’ll do well in the Super Tournament.

A special thanks to Jinro for being a special consultant on these rankings. We mostly ignored his advice. Including his suggestion that he be last place.

22. (Z)CoCa
CoCa is another one of the up and coming Zergs, but he doesn’t have the same fanfare some others do. That’s probably just because he doesn’t have the same volume of games they do. When he has played, it’s been solid. Overall he’s just 50%, but when you remove team leagues from the equation, his win rate goes up to 62.5%. He’s 5-2 in Bo3 series. It’s hard to pinpoint exactly how good he is with so few games, but so far the signs are good for him in the individual games. He’s weak in team competitions, but that’s a problem for all of ZeNEX since the ZOTAC Invitational.

21. (T)Polt
For a long time, Polt didn’t get much acclaim, and for good reason. Although he qualified for all 3 Open seasons, he never made a deep run. He qualified for the first Code S on the strength of those open seasons, but fell in the up-down matches and had to fight his way through the Wild Card matches to stay in Code S. Since then, he’s come on stronger. His real success hasn’t been in GSL, but in the SK Champions Trophy series. Go check out his TLPD page and ogle all the stellar players he’s defeated on his way to 2 tournament wins. There’s also the fact that, like NaDa, he is studying at university while playing StarCraft. And for Polt, it’s not just any university, but Seoul National University, the best in Korea.

20. (T)GanZi
I have to admit, when I saw GanZi this high I was initially surprised. He’s never made a huge impression on me. He’s had a few Code A runs, but never even made it to the up/down matches. Where he gets his distinction is in the GSTL. Cella is not afraid to go to Ganzi in important situations, sending him out instead of players like BoxeR or Ryung. Ganzi has justified Cella’s confidence by returning good results. His record is 3-3, but the players he lost to are MVP, DongRaeGu, and a streaking GuMiho. If he can transfer his GSTL success to the super tournament, he will be a force to be reckoned with.

19. (Z)Zenio
It’s hard to deny that Zenio is a top 5 zerg in Korea, but he never gets the acclaim that normally goes with such status. His ZvZ is stellar (as Idra might reluctantly admit). His ZvT is pretty good – he has a decidedly losing record in the matchup, but all of his losses in the past 6 months have been to good players. He needs to work on his ZvP, where he has no signature wins. Hopefully he can shore up those weaker matchups, because Zenio’s not afraid to show personality (as evidenced by his ceremonies and dyeing his hair metallic red).

18. (P)San
I probably like San more than most people. Back when he was being ridiculed by Tastosis as the original “worst Code S player ever” for manner pyloning himself , I didn’t think he deserved all that. When he made his season 2 run, I wasn’t all that surprised (although the victory over NesTea certainly was an upset. On the other hand, it’s undeniable that he has his weaknesses. His PvP is flat-out bad. If he can get past HuK in the first round, though, he won’t face another protoss until the round of 8.

17. (P)TesteR
I remember when TesteR was the most feared player in the world. Back in the beta, when most of our Korean server info came from Artosis, and he was hyping him up like none other. In the King of the Beta tournament, he was the heavy favorite. When Idra edged him out in the finals 3-2, it was a big surprise. Since then, TesteR hasn’t been able to recapture his aura. He went fairly deep in Open Season 1, but shockingly didn’t even qualify for the next 2 seasons. He’s maintained his code S status through all 3 seasons so far, but hasn’t gone deep in any of them. His main problem recently is PvT. Notwithstanding a victory over MVP in the 2nd GSTL, he’s been absolutely dismal of late: he’s 4-11 since January 15th. Luckily his first round matchup is against a zerg, YugiOh.

16. (P)HongUn
HongUn often gets lumped in with the group of similar protosses who are ranked near him. They’ve maybe made a sort of deep run in a GSL, but haven’t been a huge threat to win. Personally, for the longest time I had a difficult time remembering which games were his and which were played by his teammate anypro. I guess the easy way to tell the difference is that HongUn is absolutely horrible at PvP. He’s never won a single game! Come on dude, step it up. That’s just embarrassing.

15. (P)anypro
Speaking of anypro, here he is: the SimpsonToss himself. anypro wasn’t that great in the open seasons; like I just said I always got him mixed up with HongUn because neither was that great. He went on a huge slump, losing 10 in a row starting at his elimination from the first open season and ending when he won in the first up/down matches. Since then, he’s had a major turnaround. anypro has had deep runs in the last 2 seasons of Code S, both times losing to a finalist zerg. Overall he’s still lost more than he won, but that’s because of the aforementioned slump. Things are definitely looking up for anypro.

14. (P)InCa
The last of this cohort of protoss is InCa. While he was a finalist last season, it’s impossible to rank him any higher. Now, a lot of the readers might not be Brood War fans, but the comparison is too good to ignore. InCa is the (P)Horang2 of StarCraft 2. For those of you who don’t know Horang2, he is one of the best around at PvP, regularly taking out all of the top protoss. On the flip side, he often can’t beat a Terran or Zerg to save his life. A lot of the time, he decides to cheese, perhaps giving up on beating his opponent in a straight-up game. Sound familiar? InCa is no doubt one of the best in the world at PvP. His PvT isn’t bad, but his PvZ is abominable. TheWind said the “Inca Rule” referred to “innovative strategies”, but we all know what that really means. Horang2 is a dangerous player, but he’s no real threat to win a StarLeague, and the same goes for InCa.


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At this point, it doesn’t get much better. Whether you’re a fan of cake or pie (and let’s not get into which of those two is superior), you’re gonna be satisfied. While you’re devouring this baked good, you can taste not only the creativity of the chef but also the heart-felt labor poured into it. And when you’re done, you’re left satisfiedly licking your lips. The denizens of this tier are the same way. They show creativity, and reflect hundreds and thousands of hours of hard work. These pugilists are very real contenders for the championship.

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13. (T)sC
sC has done what Lyn and Byun have failed to do. Both of them started out improving every season, but recently fell off. sC has managed to maintain that constant elevation of his game. In his first appearance, in the 3rd open season, he lost in the second round to FruitDealer. He then fought his way through the tiebreakers into code A. In the first League season, he battled to the round of 8 and advanced in the up/down matches through that same iconic zerg. In the second code S season, he was stopped in the quarterfinals by San’s improbable run. Last season, he came within 1 Artosisgasm of the finals, with a very good shot to beat Inca. Watch out, ‘cause this kid’s on the rise.

12. (T)SuperNoVa
SuperNoVa is the 3rd of the terrans on the rise for whom anything seems possible. One of the newest to the scene to be ranked so high, he didn’t make his GSL debut until the second Code A season. He made it all the way to the finals there before losing in an epic 3-4 series to LosirA. Most recently, he won his group before falling to TOP in the 3rd Code S season. SuperNoVa has also done very well in non-GSL tournaments, particularly the 2nd FXOpen Invitational and the first FXOpen Korean King of the Hill. SuperNoVa (then known as SaiR) was a teammate of MVP’s in Brood War, and as one of the most recent to switch over, he surely hasn’t reached his full potential yet.

11. (T)TOP
TOP is another very solid Terran, above 55% in all three matchups. In season 1, he was the closest to beating FruitDealer, inexplicably not attacking with a huge advantage. He didn’t qualify for any following open seasons, but he won the first Code A season. He fell to the up-down matchups in his first Code S season, but finished 2nd in his group in the next code S season. TOP then eliminated SuperNoVa before falling victim to NaDa in the round of 8. TOP’s overall TvT winrate is 60%, which is very good, but not quite elite. If he can find a way to get just a little bit better there, he’ll go far.

10. (T)MarineKing
Ah, poor MarineKing. The man who brought the Kkong line to StarCraft 2. Thwarted time after time by MVP. The question remains, will he be the first true inheritor of YellOw’s legacy, never winning the gold? Or will he follow the path of Fantasy and Stork, breaking through after years of torment? He’s already won a gold in the FXOpen Invitational, but YellOw also won some random non-StarLeague events. To truly break the curse, he has to win a GSL.

9. (Z)July
Tushin! Despite being named the God of War, he doesn’t seem quite so fierce as of yet in SC2. Even when he romps through his opponents, he seems to do it joyfully, not evoking the same scary feeling he did in his glory days. There’s no doubt that he’s a scary force in the booth, though. If Kyrix pioneered the aggressive zerg style, July has taken it a step further. July’s opponents are always on their toes, never given time to breathe easy.Strong defensive play can defeat him, but those who can defend adequately are few and far between.

8. (Z)LosirA
If NesTea is the zerg king, than LosirA is the crown prince. Sharing a team and practice house with the man at the top, LosirA has the best results of any up and coming zerg. With his Code A win, great record in the GSTL, and over 70% vP and vZ, he seems unstoppable – er, that is, until you see his vT, a pitiful 12-19. He has shown signs of understanding the matchup, taking the Code A title over SuperNoVa, and if he can replicate that, he will be terrifying. By the way, if you’re at MLG Columbus, be sure to tell him “annyeong haseyo!”

7. (T)NaDa
The Genius Terran has certainly had the most sustained success of the Brood War legends in StarCraft 2. While BoxeR has his team management to deal with, and July is doing ccasting gigs, their distractions don’t compare to NaDa’s university enrollment, which makes it even more incredible how good he’s been. NaDa is the only player besides Clide to be in Code S all three seasons and never go to the up/down matches, and unlike Clide, he’s been to at least the round of 8 every season. While at times he has games that make you wonder where his old skill went, when his schoolwork load isn’t too heavy the play he shows inspires.

6. (P)Alicia
Alicia is the other player besides SuperNoVa to break into GSL in the second League season and have great success. Although he lost to SuperNoVa in that Code A season, he did well enough to get to the up/down matches, and since then he’s had some incredible wins. He took out MVP in the up/down matches to get to Code S, then 3-0’d his Ro32 group of Zenio, NaDa, and MarineKing the following season. Alicia also played a huge role in SlayerS’ first team league victory, taking out Losira and Nestea consecutively. His last couple matches haven’t been great, but everything he did before then makes you wonder just how good he can get.

5. (T)MMA
Called the “Son of Boxer”, MMA has been looked to as possibly the next iloveoov – boxer’s protégé who goes on to great success. In the team leagues, he’s backed that reputation up, coming out as the closer whenever Cella needs him and inevitably winning the match for SlayerS. In the individual leagues, he’s had less success. This will be his third consecutive season in Code A. While that’s good and all, it’s nothing special. There are Brood War progamers like Sea whose team depend on them in proleague, and they do well, but they can’t seem to get it done in the StarLeagues for whatever reason. MMA has to show some real individual GSL results to be more comparable to oov than Sea.

4. (T)Bomber
Bomber was the player who came into his first GSL match with the most fanfare. It doesn’t seem like it, but he only just played for the first time in individual GSL this past season. The accolades were deserved, as he rampaged through, not even needing the full 7 games to dispatch heavy favorite MVP. As if that wasn’t enough, we have more than just the GSL to base our information off of. In the number of other tournaments he’s participated in, he’s been stellar in every single one. His overall win rate is 75% over 58 games, and he doesn’t have a single matchup under 70%. Let me be clear: nobody in SC2 yet is even close to Flash in relative mastery of the game. But Bomber has Flash-like numbers.


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Now you’ve got everything in front of you. Instead of picking and choosing from a limited selection, you can take what you like of each. Maybe a little angel food cake with some mint chocolate chip ice cream and strawberries on top. Perhaps the absolute best devil’s food cake you could imagine, so good that you don’t need anything else. Whatever you choose, you’re going to finish wishing your stomach had more room to take in the deliciousness. Watching these 3 players is the same way. Any discussion of the best starts with them, each at the apex of their race. They show a diversity in tactics not commanded by their lesser counterparts. They’ve come out on top the last 6 individual GSL tournaments. These are the favorites.

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3. (P)MC
We all know MC. The brash, confident guy who is secretly an excellent dancer. Some people might say he’s cocky, but it’s not cockiness if the it’s deserved. MC’s goal of 7 tournament wins in 1 year is tough, but still in reach. While his overall results vary, his game to game consistency is remarkable. Only once has he lost three consecutive games. MC’s problem might be that expectations are so high at this point. Twice, people have said his style was unsustainable. After his first win, he fell to Jinro in the first Code S season and people said his two-base timing attack had been solved. MC turned around and promptly won the next season. He fell to the up-down matches this past season, but stayed in Code S, and if he keeps up his pattern of wins every other season, he’ll win this one.

2. (T)MVP
When people talk about the best terran in SC2, the conversation always starts with MVP. He was the first terran to win a GSL in the first League season, and when he shockingly fell to code A the next season, he bounced back by winning the World Championships. Now back in Code S and with a top seed for the Super Tournament, he’s out for blood. MVP used to have a weak matchup in TvP, but he’s now 4-1 in his last 5 games against protoss. The Game Genie terran is back.

1. (Z)NesTea
The reigning champion. The man who understands zerg far better than anyone else. The guy who has 85% ZvP and 92% ZvZ. The tactician who halted MarineKing’s seemingly unstoppable aggression in its tracks. The dominator who made his finals opponent look like a bronze league newb. The inspiration that brings Artosis to tears. The force that brings victory when it seems impossible. The favorite.


Don't you want a bacon donut now?
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s0up
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States64 Posts
May 21 2011 22:29 GMT
#2
Soo hungryyyy
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JustProbes
Profile Joined November 2010
United States28 Posts
May 21 2011 22:34 GMT
#3
a dozen bacon donuts plz
Itzeddiieee
Profile Joined May 2010
Korea (South)787 Posts
May 21 2011 22:34 GMT
#4
pure sugar goodness
lookfirewood
Profile Joined May 2011
1212 Posts
May 21 2011 22:34 GMT
#5
Amazing read! I love Kyrix comment!
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OmniscientSC2
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States713 Posts
May 21 2011 22:34 GMT
#6
Kyrix just got a picture of a baneling bust >< I think his ZvP is pretty good. He was one of the first to showcase the Roach/Ling on Terminus v some protoss (forgot who :X) I think if I had to rank everyone in the super tournament as how I think they'd perform, I'd probably end up with this exact same list xD Hoping to see some awesome play out of players from the MVP Clan! MVP Hwaiting
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HawaiianPig
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
Canada5155 Posts
May 21 2011 22:34 GMT
#7
They're sugar free, jerks.
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Bobo_
Profile Blog Joined August 2005
United States192 Posts
May 21 2011 22:35 GMT
#8
It should be against the law to make a SC2 post involving dessert. really hungry now .
KimJongChill
Profile Joined January 2011
United States6429 Posts
May 21 2011 22:38 GMT
#9
Hungry ;_; but i dont want to get fat! Also, I'm real happy that Nestea was #1 :D I gotta say that I never really saw TOP as that strong of a player, but I havent watched his games really lol. Not many zergs in the upper tiers though..
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The_DarkAngelz
Profile Joined April 2010
Brazil221 Posts
May 21 2011 22:38 GMT
#10
ahhaah,

So many good players, from now on winning is decided by who is in perfect condition just before the matches....
GSL is amazing !!!!

OMG, can't wait to see more foreings in this tournament !!

GO ggo gogogogo White-ra, Morrow, naniwa and Thorzoin !!!
cyberspace
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Canada955 Posts
May 21 2011 22:39 GMT
#11
great write up. all the pics made me hungry. t_t
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BlooDRusH
Profile Joined April 2011
Canada9 Posts
May 21 2011 22:39 GMT
#12
There's a problem, you accidently put a 14 beside InCa
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Samp
Profile Joined September 2010
Canada783 Posts
May 21 2011 22:39 GMT
#13
pretty good analysis....GO NESTEA! (he even has a food name...he must win this)
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The Void
Profile Joined May 2010
Germany428 Posts
May 21 2011 22:39 GMT
#14
nom nom
it is hard to be an atheist and deal with day9 (╯°□°)╯︵┻━┻ also i stole this too ♞...o_O..oh..and his buddies ♚♛♜♝♟http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=295038 don't trust the suits...
KevinIX
Profile Joined October 2009
United States2472 Posts
May 21 2011 22:39 GMT
#15
lol@Jinro wanting to be last place.
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UnKooL
Profile Joined August 2010
Korea (South)1667 Posts
May 21 2011 22:40 GMT
#16
Nestea, MC, and MVP are the three kings of Starcraft 2.
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Obaten
Profile Joined December 2010
United States730 Posts
May 21 2011 22:41 GMT
#17
So goood! Sick writeup
Javah
Profile Joined August 2010
France739 Posts
May 21 2011 22:41 GMT
#18
Don't you want a bacon donut now?

A dozen please, topped with Antoine & HawaiianPig sauce!

Thanks for this AWESOME writing. There will sure be some discussion on the rankings, as it always happens,but you did an incredible job!
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Mawi
Profile Joined August 2010
Sweden4365 Posts
May 21 2011 22:41 GMT
#19
damn im so hungry right now loved this writeup
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Kluey
Profile Joined April 2011
Canada1197 Posts
May 21 2011 22:43 GMT
#20
I use to be a Nestea fan until he commented about the balance. Anywho, good list!
iYiYi
Profile Joined March 2011
United States489 Posts
May 21 2011 22:43 GMT
#21
I know a lot of people hate on Rain, but I think it is incredibly unfair to put him that low. He has a lot more results then many of those players. Not to mention he almost took out last seasons runner up, but sort of choked.
Clearout
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Norway1060 Posts
May 21 2011 22:43 GMT
#22
Great writeup, thanks! Also poor Jinro lol.
really?
snakegaz
Profile Joined December 2010
Canada1 Post
May 21 2011 22:44 GMT
#23
MC, MVP, Nestea are same rank imo
Whiplash
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
United States2928 Posts
May 21 2011 22:45 GMT
#24
Sick post, can't wait for the super tournament to start, go Huk and Jinro!
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deerpark87
Profile Joined January 2011
760 Posts
May 21 2011 22:46 GMT
#25
I want to eat all of them now. keke
bearhug
Profile Joined September 2010
United States999 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-21 22:48:49
May 21 2011 22:48 GMT
#26
i laughed so hard when i saw mkp is #10.
anyway, thanks for the long article, so many words.
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Cow
Profile Joined May 2010
Canada1104 Posts
May 21 2011 22:48 GMT
#27
Amazing write up, especially the one for Squirtle LOL, so good ahah!


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Meapak_Ziphh
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6786 Posts
May 21 2011 22:49 GMT
#28
Excellent writeup! Loved the flavor of it.
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Fliente
Profile Joined April 2011
Brazil22 Posts
May 21 2011 22:49 GMT
#29
NesTea is the reason I haven't switched races
andrewnguyener
Profile Joined March 2011
United States548 Posts
May 21 2011 22:54 GMT
#30
i like the ranking system
SmoKim
Profile Joined March 2010
Denmark10305 Posts
May 21 2011 22:54 GMT
#31
This (almost) makes up for the fact that we don't have a PR for SC2 players yet

amazing writeup!
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Amui
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Canada10567 Posts
May 21 2011 22:55 GMT
#32
I'm hoping for a lot of the no-names to go out in the Ro64 :D. Would make for some very epic RO32 onwards =)
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grandmoose
Profile Joined April 2010
United States160 Posts
May 21 2011 22:55 GMT
#33
Nice write up I really enjoyed it. I hope Mvp or one of the few foreigners win this.
not really a moose
Nemara
Profile Joined January 2011
Sweden69 Posts
May 21 2011 22:56 GMT
#34
Surprisingly Lyn, not Moon or Grubby, is the most successful to date of the prominent WC3 players.

Naniwa, Thorzain, Kiwikaki?
PrinceXizor
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States17713 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-21 22:59:11
May 21 2011 22:57 GMT
#35
I feel like Zergbong got ALOT of crap from being "bad" in BW, when he didn't play 1v1's. i mean he was on one of, if not THE best 2v2 team in all of BW, he excelled at that. just because he didn't practice 1v1 he was awful at it, and people claim he was a failure in BW, without looking at his doubles record.

oh well. Nestea is a beast when he focuses his energy on 1v1.

and to the post above me.

he means the famous ones, people who don't follow WC3 generally know those three. whereas i know for a fact that i couldn't even say what race naniwa kiwii and thorzain played.
WCH
Profile Joined June 2010
Canada239 Posts
May 21 2011 22:57 GMT
#36
Marineking should not be placed 10th, he is better than these rising stars from Code A that have no other tournament results to back it up. MKP has made 2 final appearance, he should be way higher up. Like 4th or something.
MrCon
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
France29748 Posts
May 21 2011 22:58 GMT
#37
Thanks, nice writeup.
I think Virus is terran, and
24. Byun
There was a time not very long ago when Byun was the next thing. He started off as just another protoss back in open seasons 1 and 2,
is terran too.
Antoine
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States7481 Posts
May 21 2011 22:58 GMT
#38
On May 22 2011 07:56 Nemara wrote:
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Surprisingly Lyn, not Moon or Grubby, is the most successful to date of the prominent WC3 players.

Naniwa, Thorzain, Kiwikaki?

From what I know Lyn and especially Moon and Grubby were on another level from those 3. Admittedly, I'm no expert on the WC3 scene, so if that's incorrect I can change it.
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Torte de Lini
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany38463 Posts
May 21 2011 22:58 GMT
#39
I support this theme (and H.Pig's graphics).

Nice job!
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PrinceXizor
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States17713 Posts
May 21 2011 23:00 GMT
#40
On May 22 2011 07:58 MrCon wrote:
Thanks, nice writeup.
I think Virus is terran, and
Show nested quote +
24. Byun
There was a time not very long ago when Byun was the next thing. He started off as just another protoss back in open seasons 1 and 2,
is terran too.

byun played as bleach the open seasons, knocking artosis out as a protoss.
Antoine
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States7481 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-21 23:07:25
May 21 2011 23:00 GMT
#41
On May 22 2011 07:58 MrCon wrote:
Thanks, nice writeup.
I think Virus is terran, and
Show nested quote +
24. Byun
There was a time not very long ago when Byun was the next thing. He started off as just another protoss back in open seasons 1 and 2,
is terran too.

Ah yeah, I missed changing Virus's race when I fixed the tlpd-izations. Byun was a protoss in season 1and 2, but is a terran now.

I'll fix virus as soon as i make sure that me editing the post doesn't break anything.

edit: apparently it will break everything, i need to find somebody else to fix it
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MrCon
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
France29748 Posts
May 21 2011 23:01 GMT
#42
Ha yeah that's true, forgot that
JustProbes
Profile Joined November 2010
United States28 Posts
May 21 2011 23:01 GMT
#43
Squirtle's writeup made me lol. all of his original moves, in order too i think.
Cyanocyst
Profile Joined October 2010
2222 Posts
May 21 2011 23:03 GMT
#44
Violet
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Personally i still believe we haven't seen Violets best. I mean If DRG is as good as he is, i feel like Violet has more that we haven't seen.

However his face palm of a game during GSTL was painful to watch. I liked the idea of a bit of ling aggression vs a Stargate build, it just makes since. I thought the point was to pressure with the lings while you get out a 3rd queen creep your bases together and throw down a spore or 2. I was in absolute shock, when the camera finally paned back to his bases and he had virtually nothing.


Yughio
+ Show Spoiler +
Ive always been a fan of his and i excited to finally see him play vs a P or T player. Sure he took out August 2-0 last code a tournament. Though August isn't much of anything.


Line
+ Show Spoiler +
Line should be in the Fat Free section. Thats pretty much all i have to say about him. Even though Jinro is struggling, he should make short work of him


Coca
+ Show Spoiler +
I can't believe you rated Coca so highly, personally i liked Coca a lot i thought he would be someone that showed great improvement from Code Mar, to Code A May. Given that he didn't even have his own comp to practice on. Though his play hasn't been what i thought it would look like given hes actually one of the Top rated Zergs on KR ladder, with an insane number of games under his belt.


Zenio
+ Show Spoiler +
Zenio has been an underwhelming Zerg for some time, however he ran fuckin circles around Jinro in the up down match ups. Though he disappointed me in GSTL. Guess ill go back to thinking hes just an underwhelming Zerg
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resonant23
Profile Joined March 2011
United States38 Posts
May 21 2011 23:04 GMT
#45
Sc should be a little higher, but nice writeup
Deadeight
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United Kingdom1629 Posts
May 21 2011 23:04 GMT
#46
Nice write up.
Meser87
Profile Joined April 2011
United States476 Posts
May 21 2011 23:04 GMT
#47
On May 22 2011 07:34 HawaiianPig wrote:
They're sugar free, jerks.



haha poor HawaiianPig
Bair
Profile Joined May 2010
United States698 Posts
May 21 2011 23:07 GMT
#48
Ah, Junwi, the man so eager to practice that he misspelled his clan name when using his fre rename on battle.net


Misspelling "free" just made that entire sentence hilarious.
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feanor1
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States1899 Posts
May 21 2011 23:07 GMT
#49
MKP being #10 seems way to low, somewhere in the 4-6th range imo
Cyber_Cheese
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia3615 Posts
May 21 2011 23:09 GMT
#50
woah awesome writeup, did Jinro really want to be last?
also, so hungry now
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sixfour
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
England11061 Posts
May 21 2011 23:09 GMT
#51
tester too high, and LOL at the horang2 hate in the inca writeup
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elmizzt
Profile Joined February 2010
United States3309 Posts
May 21 2011 23:09 GMT
#52
Amazing amazing writeup. Huuuuge thanks to GTR and antoine <333
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KimJongChill
Profile Joined January 2011
United States6429 Posts
May 21 2011 23:10 GMT
#53
Hey OP, I think you should make Nestea, MVP, MC all tied for number and make MKP #2. Seems more accurate..
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Zdrastochye
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Ivory Coast6262 Posts
May 21 2011 23:10 GMT
#54
I enjoy the top 3 showing all 3 races, and despite the order I think it's an accurate top 3. With the smattering of code A above the code S players it goes to show that code S certainly doesn't assure the best players. Wish there was some way to ratify it.
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Juliette
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States6003 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-21 23:16:31
May 21 2011 23:15 GMT
#55
I love the tiers so much
The progression is amazing

And then finishing it and getting nerd chills
Wonderful writeup
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Ruscour
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
5233 Posts
May 21 2011 23:15 GMT
#56
Great writeup, but I'm pretty pissed about Moon's info. Talking about him and Grubby, referencing the 2-0 to Artosis as the only thing he's done when he was clearly playing like a limp turd...not like he just swept DeMusliM, Nerchio and someone else who was good that I forget all 2-0. God I hate it when people only remember the bad things >
Philip2110
Profile Joined April 2010
Scotland798 Posts
May 21 2011 23:16 GMT
#57
Nice write up :D wheres my bacon donut
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blae000
Profile Joined April 2010
Norway1640 Posts
May 21 2011 23:17 GMT
#58
Bwahaha xD Roflol'd on Kyrix... :D A nice read! Ah man, ♥ TL.. So much content, so little time!
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Beyonder
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
Netherlands15103 Posts
May 21 2011 23:17 GMT
#59
On May 22 2011 08:10 KimJongChill wrote:
Hey OP, I think you should make Nestea, MVP, MC all tied for number and make MKP #2. Seems more accurate..

Hhehe Its a true story! Nice write-up, love these original perspectives.
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Vorlik
Profile Joined October 2010
1522 Posts
May 21 2011 23:17 GMT
#60
Rain at 57, while Inca at 14. 2 semi finalists and you admit that inca cant beat a terran/zerg to save his life. I don't question inca as the better player, but not 43 spots higher. A lot of the justifications are questionable, but it was a fun read nonetheless. Thanks.

anatem
Profile Joined September 2010
Romania1369 Posts
May 21 2011 23:17 GMT
#61
superb writeup. i must ofcourse differ on the top 3, even if they're very close, with mc-nestea-mvp in this order, if for nothing else, results;

and even more for ravaging players of all levels across continents while facing counter-builds at every corner, a ridiculous level of pressure i doubt nestea or mvp could hold off as well, particularly not having played outside korea. there's an edge here.

'Tis with our Judgements as our Watches, none / Go just alike, yet each believes his own.
Toastmold
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada207 Posts
May 21 2011 23:18 GMT
#62
Typo in Junwi's section
hi.
Azuroz
Profile Joined November 2010
Sweden1630 Posts
May 21 2011 23:19 GMT
#63
really enjoyed the write-up, a lot less biased then several other GSL previews in the past, good job!
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supdubdup
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States916 Posts
May 21 2011 23:19 GMT
#64
So many code b players in the mid range -_-.
Turn it Up
NB
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Netherlands12045 Posts
May 21 2011 23:19 GMT
#65
i like how you just completely skip choya =)))
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Antoine
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States7481 Posts
May 21 2011 23:20 GMT
#66
On May 22 2011 08:19 NB wrote:
i like how you just completely skip choya =)))

anti-fan eh?
he and thewind share their writup - but don't worry, others have missed that too. probably a poor choice by me.
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Alver
Profile Joined November 2010
United States177 Posts
May 21 2011 23:21 GMT
#67
very good job trying to rank them, id agree with 90% of it. its hard to gague the 30-40th area as they dont get many matches.
MaxField
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States2386 Posts
May 21 2011 23:21 GMT
#68
The Squirtle part was amazing, great job!
"Zerg, so bad it loses to hydras" IdrA.
jlim
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Spain943 Posts
May 21 2011 23:22 GMT
#69
amazing write-up; my mind is blown

props to the awesome kyrix description
PacWac
Profile Joined November 2010
Northern Ireland94 Posts
May 21 2011 23:22 GMT
#70
Awesome read.
All Ireland Starcraft
strexer
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States54 Posts
May 21 2011 23:22 GMT
#71
On May 22 2011 08:04 resonant23 wrote:
Sc should be a little higher, but nice writeup


Agreed, sC is a beast, even though he lost to NesTea. Top 4 in the GSL is no small feat. He also beat MPK in a FXOpen. sC should be at least be top ten. (I know there's a pun there with TOP)
Besides that little pet peeve, amazing write up. Love the Kyrix comment.
Antedelerium
Profile Joined June 2010
United States224 Posts
May 21 2011 23:23 GMT
#72
Great writeup. I just want FruitDealer to win so everyone has 2 championships at this point
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Samhax
Profile Joined August 2010
1054 Posts
May 21 2011 23:25 GMT
#73
Oh my god, this article is hilarious. We need more like that! Good job!

"TheBest has been more like TheWorst since the turn of the new year" hahahahaha
Bibbit
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Canada5377 Posts
May 21 2011 23:29 GMT
#74
Wow, looks like a lot of effort went into this badboy. Really sick read.

I liked the comparisons to BW players, even if you havent quite realized Horang2 is future bonjwa. :D
NotCptKirk
Profile Joined April 2011
Germany165 Posts
May 21 2011 23:30 GMT
#75
On May 22 2011 07:43 Kluey wrote:
I use to be a Nestea fan until he commented about the balance. Anywho, good list!


Yeah, I actually found that a little weird, too. But nonetheless I love Nestea. Not as flashy as MC but overall he just seems even more beastly
Talin
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Montenegro10532 Posts
May 21 2011 23:30 GMT
#76
It is... it is... almost like a Power Rank. But bigger. This almost brings tears of joy to my eyes.

Anyhow, since it's like a Power Rank, let me begin by saying that some of the rankings are AN OUTRAGE... and all that stuff.

But on a serious note, the two most glaringly weird ranks for me are Maka and TesteR. They're both way, way higher than I feel they should be. Ranking them so high would be a questionable choice if the article had been written last November, let alone in May 2011.

On the other hand, Jinro and HuK are ranked very accurately. I like that. And it'll make it all the more satisfying when Jinro starts Gorilla rolling his way to the top again. I BELIEVE. <3
Ucs
Profile Joined October 2010
264 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-21 23:35:15
May 21 2011 23:32 GMT
#77
First off the nickname for the player Noblesse comes from a manhwa(korean version of manga/comic book) written by Son Jae Ho and illustrated by Lee Gwang Su.

Second why does every official TL thread have to be so bias towards TL members? The guys writing this are just feeding the trolls and in my opinion they are not making things better by saying stuff like:"But by easily 2-0ing the vaunted MMA, HuK showed off that top 3 control, and gave everyone hope that he’s conquered his nerves." and worse:

"In the FXO KotH he won resoundingly in his only game. In Stars War he took out his first round opponent before falling to MC. And in the Sagacity Invitational, he took out Stalife before falling to TOP. He still has a weirdly tough time with oGs members, but if he can sustain his recent momentum he’ll do well in the Super Tournament."?


I'm not saying anything bad about Jinro or Huk but I'm just pointing out that the article is clearly biased. I'm just slightly giving advice about the quality of the article. Hope you take this advice light heartedly.


Other than that its a preatty nice read.

One more thing. You forgot the fact that although LegalMind might be one of the worst players in GSL, he recently got recruited by Slayers. Thats note worthy because I don't think Boxer would recruit a chobo. Maybe he will pull a SanZenith on us.

Btw why didn't FnaticSen go to the Super Tourney? It shoudln't be that hard for him to fly there...
1Eris1
Profile Joined September 2010
United States5797 Posts
May 21 2011 23:33 GMT
#78
Uhhhm. I really dislike these rankings tbh.

MMA top 5?
vs SC only 13th???

Jinro at 23....Huk at 32 (he's 1-7 vs Code S players)

A lot of code S players in 40-50...Give them credit, they've maintained Code S status

Other than that it looks really good, although personally I wouldn't have Nestea as no.1. MC and MVP have yet to lose a boX vs a zerg yet
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Acritter
Profile Joined August 2010
Syria7637 Posts
May 21 2011 23:34 GMT
#79
Good summary. I would definitely put NesTea at the top, as MC and MVP's rather embarrassing losses to Thorzain and Adelscott make their position as top dogs shaky.
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1Eris1
Profile Joined September 2010
United States5797 Posts
May 21 2011 23:35 GMT
#80
On May 22 2011 08:34 Acritter wrote:
Good summary. I would definitely put NesTea at the top, as MC and MVP's rather embarrassing losses to Thorzain and Adelscott make their position as top dogs shaky.



Nestea's rather embarassing lost to Goody doesn't count though right?
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Mithriel
Profile Joined November 2010
Netherlands2969 Posts
May 21 2011 23:36 GMT
#81
I love how top 3 is one of each race ( no suprised seeing all won 2) .

Man I hope this super tournament is going to be epic! Wiith a good final please, not a usual gsl final.
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CuSToM
Profile Joined October 2010
United States1478 Posts
May 21 2011 23:37 GMT
#82
On May 22 2011 08:34 Acritter wrote:
Good summary. I would definitely put NesTea at the top, as MC and MVP's rather embarrassing losses to Thorzain and Adelscott make their position as top dogs shaky.


Lol so what is Nestea's loss to Goody then?

And in regards to the aLive write-up, TSL played against Prime in GSTL February, not fOu.
Team SCV Life #1
Al Bundy
Profile Joined April 2010
7257 Posts
May 21 2011 23:38 GMT
#83
Wow excellent article, seriously GOMTV should pay you
Hyped! Can't wait for Jinro and Huk's performance !

Also I believe there's a typo in there:
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52. Junwi
Ah, Junwi, the man so eager to practice that he misspelled his clan name when using his fre rename on battle.net. Unfortunately, his results haven’t paid off for him.
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PartyBiscuit
Profile Joined September 2010
Canada4525 Posts
May 21 2011 23:38 GMT
#84
I don't want to drop this down again...but "best write-up ever", again!

Though the only thing I want to note is that although Grubby was Artosis'd this week, he did place third in Copenhagen and Moon did technically place 2nd in IEM World (so even if they are middling overall, they have some decent achievements).
the farm ends here
Scrandom
Profile Joined February 2011
Canada2819 Posts
May 21 2011 23:38 GMT
#85
Disagree with sC being 13th but awesome read, Kyrix one was funny and "Grubby accomplished the previously unthinkable task of losing to Artosis in the NASL this past week" rofl
Walls
Profile Joined May 2011
United States172 Posts
May 21 2011 23:42 GMT
#86
Pure Magic.
SlayerS_Eve's third fan, in the time of hatred... very very proud of that.
Nick_54
Profile Blog Joined November 2007
United States2230 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-21 23:46:32
May 21 2011 23:42 GMT
#87
On May 22 2011 08:33 1Eris1 wrote:
Uhhhm. I really dislike these rankings tbh.

MMA top 5?
vs SC only 13th???

Jinro at 23....Huk at 32 (he's 1-7 vs Code S players)

A lot of code S players in 40-50...Give them credit, they've maintained Code S status

Other than that it looks really good, although personally I wouldn't have Nestea as no.1. MC and MVP have yet to lose a boX vs a zerg yet



MC lost to Nestea in a bo3 in GSL 2 0-2, so he's not undefeated vs zerg in boX. Also, MVP lost to Zenio 1-2 in season 2 as well. Yes, that was indeed a really long time ago, but if Nestea plays his best they are beatable.

Great writeup, I really enjoyed it. This is probably the closet we will get to an sc2 powerrank for quite a while. Even though I disagree with a few of the rankings they seem good for the most part. I hope Jinro and Huk can pull through. I would like if this was done before every GSL season.

Edit: Yeah SC seems a bit low. He really gave Nestea a run for his money and beat Losira. I think he was like top 8 or something the season before as well. I'd bump him up to at least 11 or maybe as high as 8.
emesen
Profile Joined October 2010
United States256 Posts
May 21 2011 23:42 GMT
#88
sorry but having read through all that I still don't see why you can list the emperor himself SlayerS_BoxeR so low... you use results from outside the GSL sphere of tournaments to qualify the rankings of other players like Ryung, Genius, Moon, Ace and many others

but you try and justify BoxeR's low ranking by saying he's faltering and stuck in Code A?

here are some FACTS:

- BoxeR was one of the two koreans to make it to the Round of 8 in the TSL3,
- BoxeR's record in the NASL as of right now is 4-1
- he beat Sen... TWICE

and you have LEENOCK who got knocked to code B higher?!?!

how do you justify this?!
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Starcraftplaylist
Profile Joined May 2011
194 Posts
May 21 2011 23:44 GMT
#89
I really want BoxeR to win, all these new players trying to dethrone the true emperor of starcraft. Begone.
Airship
Profile Joined August 2010
United States465 Posts
May 21 2011 23:45 GMT
#90
Good list. Don't entirely agree with every rank but if I did that would have been an incredible coincidence. I completely agree with the top three order though, perhaps most importantly. Nice writeups.
baeric
Profile Joined October 2010
Germany649 Posts
May 21 2011 23:45 GMT
#91
awesome write-up!
Golgotha
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Korea (South)8418 Posts
May 21 2011 23:47 GMT
#92
lol at no description for choya. yeah enuff said.
illsick
Profile Joined March 2011
United States1770 Posts
May 21 2011 23:49 GMT
#93
coca is ranked too high

alicia deservingly ranked high but meets MC first round and it's going to be a PvP so someone's journey will be short lived

Moon is ranked so low I think he has potential to upset and do well, sleeping giant

Violet is my other sleeper pick
you live and you learn
Phyxx
Profile Joined April 2010
Denmark681 Posts
May 21 2011 23:49 GMT
#94
Thanks for the awesome write-up! But damn I wish we could have seen DongRaeGu in the super tournament as well. His play in the team league was so fucking inspiring.
Fspoonork
Profile Joined September 2010
Canada111 Posts
May 21 2011 23:49 GMT
#95
Awesome write up. Love all the food anologies.
blackone
Profile Joined November 2010
Germany1314 Posts
May 21 2011 23:49 GMT
#96
Amazing write-up, I really enjoyed reading it.
I also love how every kind of ranking makes some people so mad, because it's OUTRAGEOUS how you ranked Player X at least two places too high!
Mechwarrior
Profile Joined April 2011
United States76 Posts
May 21 2011 23:53 GMT
#97
You, I didn't think you could compare food to Starcraft.

Good write up.
MooMooMugi
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States10531 Posts
May 21 2011 23:54 GMT
#98
Very good read, the explanations for every player sounded accurate and plausible
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Meantime
Profile Joined May 2010
Germany140 Posts
May 21 2011 23:59 GMT
#99
Thanks man, awesome write up!
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pieman819
Profile Joined October 2010
Australia457 Posts
May 22 2011 00:01 GMT
#100
people are sleeping on coca, he is really good definately better than violet/Leenock imo.
Hi
lurked
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Canada918 Posts
May 22 2011 00:04 GMT
#101
On May 22 2011 07:28 Antoine wrote:he came within 1 Artosisgasm of the finals


Made me giggle ^^

Really great writing, really hungry now :D
Magic is "just" magic until I get my hands on the source code.
Sarang
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Australia2363 Posts
May 22 2011 00:05 GMT
#102
Completely agree with the general placing of all of these players. Awesome writeup.
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BryanSC
Profile Joined October 2010
United States455 Posts
May 22 2011 00:11 GMT
#103
Really cheesy writing, pun intended.
Jyvblamo
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
Canada13788 Posts
May 22 2011 00:16 GMT
#104
Nice to see an SC2 power rank, of sorts. :D
Goibon
Profile Joined May 2010
New Zealand8185 Posts
May 22 2011 00:18 GMT
#105
On May 22 2011 08:01 JustProbes wrote:
Squirtle's writeup made me lol. all of his original moves, in order too i think.

I'm appalled, that i didn't pick that up myself.

:D

Great write up!
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Full.tilt
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United Kingdom1709 Posts
May 22 2011 00:18 GMT
#106
Boxer is a "founder" of many things but I don't think he founded the lower reaches of code A

I don't think he "flounders" either for the record.
SemiDocD
Profile Joined January 2011
United States3 Posts
May 22 2011 00:23 GMT
#107
Great article. Enterataining, Concise. to the point. Keep it up
"To be or not to be... That's a stupid question!"
Horse...falcon
Profile Joined December 2010
United States1851 Posts
May 22 2011 00:25 GMT
#108
Wow Alicia is super high on that list.

I'm betting on Bomber. If he can get through Nestea in the 2nd round he should be able to smash his way to the RO4.
Artosis: "From horsssse....falcon"
Nethermind
Profile Joined April 2011
New Zealand445 Posts
May 22 2011 00:27 GMT
#109
Thanks, really enjoyed the write-up.
ScaSully
Profile Joined April 2011
United States488 Posts
May 22 2011 00:30 GMT
#110
im hungry now hehe
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
cheesemaster
Profile Joined February 2011
Canada1975 Posts
May 22 2011 00:36 GMT
#111
On May 22 2011 07:56 Nemara wrote:
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Surprisingly Lyn, not Moon or Grubby, is the most successful to date of the prominent WC3 players.

Naniwa, Thorzain, Kiwikaki?

Would any of those guys qualify or do well in the GSL, kiwi tried and failed the rest is unknown but i dont think they would start out doing as well as lyn has. Before i think that the difference between korean progamers and western progamers was exxagerated a bit, now i think it is under exaggerated.

Look at how badly Nada schooled Naniwa in NASL yesterday despite possible latency issues.

Dont get me wrong Naniwa is one of my favourite westerner progamers, and thorzains win over MC shouldnt be taken lightly, but thats one best of 5 in his best matchup and doesnt really prove that he would do well.
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Draconicfire
Profile Joined May 2010
Canada2562 Posts
May 22 2011 00:37 GMT
#112
Nice writeup, I agree with most of them. I hope MMA and MKP do well in this tourney.
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Wedberg
Profile Joined February 2011
Sweden169 Posts
May 22 2011 00:38 GMT
#113
Top 3 was... expected.
primebeef
Profile Joined October 2010
United States140 Posts
May 22 2011 00:41 GMT
#114
Think you got the part wrong for huk when you said vP, losira is not toss, he is a zerg it might have been a typo.
Good stuff though.
JohnnyYen
Profile Joined September 2010
United States313 Posts
May 22 2011 00:45 GMT
#115
Bacon covered donuts?
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GGPope
Profile Joined February 2011
Australia367 Posts
May 22 2011 00:45 GMT
#116
Poor Jinro. Confidence, man! Confidence!
Antoine
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States7481 Posts
May 22 2011 00:46 GMT
#117
On May 22 2011 09:41 primebeef wrote:
Think you got the part wrong for huk when you said vP, losira is not toss, he is a zerg it might have been a typo.
Good stuff though.

I meant that LosirA's ZvP is excellent, as is InCa's PvP.
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Jonas :)
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States511 Posts
May 22 2011 00:48 GMT
#118
Well good to know that it's OK to call zerg overpowered again.

haha, j/k. Awesome list, btw. <3's to whoever made it
Wargizmo
Profile Joined March 2010
Australia1237 Posts
May 22 2011 00:52 GMT
#119

Amazing write up - I would have probably put Bomber in the top tier but other than that I can't find anything I really disagree with.

I think we'll see Bomber or MMA take this season.
Information is not knowledge. Knowledge is not wisdom. Wisdom is not truth. Truth is not beauty. Beauty is not love. Love is not music. Music is best. - Frank Zappa
Lobo2me
Profile Joined May 2010
Norway1213 Posts
May 22 2011 00:56 GMT
#120
Nestea fighting!
Bad manners are better than no manners at all.
CakeOrPie
Profile Joined April 2011
4 Posts
May 22 2011 00:59 GMT
#121
Whether you’re a fan of cake or pie(and let’s not get into which of those two is superior), you’re gonna be satisfied.

Hey, you meanie, you stole my name
Rayansaki
Profile Joined January 2011
Portugal1266 Posts
May 22 2011 01:00 GMT
#122
On May 22 2011 08:42 emesen wrote:
sorry but having read through all that I still don't see why you can list the emperor himself SlayerS_BoxeR so low... you use results from outside the GSL sphere of tournaments to qualify the rankings of other players like Ryung, Genius, Moon, Ace and many others

but you try and justify BoxeR's low ranking by saying he's faltering and stuck in Code A?

here are some FACTS:

- BoxeR was one of the two koreans to make it to the Round of 8 in the TSL3,
- BoxeR's record in the NASL as of right now is 4-1
- he beat Sen... TWICE

and you have LEENOCK who got knocked to code B higher?!?!

how do you justify this?!

Small inconsistencies like this aside, it seems like a pretty good list to me.I also agree with top 5, although LosirA should squeeze in there somehow
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DBsin
Profile Joined January 2011
1 Post
May 22 2011 01:00 GMT
#123
As if Huk deserves to be in there. I know you need to plug your own team but hes just an outright douche and should be in Fat/Sugar free...if at all

User was banned for this post.
Wargizmo
Profile Joined March 2010
Australia1237 Posts
May 22 2011 01:04 GMT
#124

I just hope the final is between two top players. Recently every single season has been one of the top 3 guys making someone look like a noob.



Information is not knowledge. Knowledge is not wisdom. Wisdom is not truth. Truth is not beauty. Beauty is not love. Love is not music. Music is best. - Frank Zappa
eggs
Profile Joined August 2010
1011 Posts
May 22 2011 01:05 GMT
#125
thanks for the write-up! a lot of GSL history that I didn't realize or simply forgot. gets me excited about this tournament.


lol@haters, its a ranking based on cookies and pie and you're whining about journalistic integrity?
SpiZe
Profile Joined December 2010
Canada3640 Posts
May 22 2011 01:09 GMT
#126
On May 22 2011 10:00 DBsin wrote:
As if Huk deserves to be in there. I know you need to plug your own team but hes just an outright douche and should be in Fat/Sugar free...if at all


Great first post! Enjoy your stay!

Anyway, great write up! Definetly agree with NesTea #1
fracture
Profile Joined August 2010
25 Posts
May 22 2011 01:11 GMT
#127
this was really well done. good job gtr and antoine
Voltaire
Profile Joined September 2010
United States1485 Posts
May 22 2011 01:19 GMT
#128
Great post, I read it all.

Super excited for the super tournament!
As long as people believe in absurdities they will continue to commit atrocities.
rave[wcr]
Profile Joined March 2011
United States1166 Posts
May 22 2011 01:26 GMT
#129
hey! Moon won 2nd place at IEM. why the hate on his desc. -_-
arctia
Profile Joined December 2010
61 Posts
May 22 2011 01:27 GMT
#130
Great writing! Small inconsistencies here and there, but general ranking seems accurate.

I lol'ed at Squirtle's part.
Jonoman92
Profile Blog Joined September 2006
United States9103 Posts
May 22 2011 01:35 GMT
#131
Love the way the different groups are categorized. Looking forward to this tour for sure.
Snaphoo
Profile Joined July 2010
United States614 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-22 01:37:18
May 22 2011 01:35 GMT
#132
How on earth can you think NaDa, Alicia, July, Losira, and MMA are better than MKP?!

He has more Finals appearances (and wins) than all of them combined, and in a particularly galling slight, he beat MMA (Code A) in the most recent Up and Down Matches!
Stanlot
Profile Joined December 2010
United States5742 Posts
May 22 2011 01:36 GMT
#133
Oh god. The squirtle puns hurt so bad. I love the entire write-up thought! Very insightful look into each player :D
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rysecake
Profile Joined October 2010
United States2632 Posts
May 22 2011 01:38 GMT
#134
Love the rankings and all but have a small thing with where Mkp is haha.
The Notorious Winkles
mjxn
Profile Joined April 2011
Australia939 Posts
May 22 2011 01:43 GMT
#135
Ganzi seems too highly placed for the results he has actually achieved...
HolyArrow
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States7116 Posts
May 22 2011 02:01 GMT
#136
IMO MC should be above MVP. Unlike MVP, MC didn't fall to Code A, and he's also been participating in more tournaments than either MVP or Nestea (but Nestea has been so consistent I'm fine with his first place). And he's been winning or doing really well in nearly all of those tournaments.
Laneir
Profile Joined September 2010
United States1160 Posts
May 22 2011 02:04 GMT
#137
lol love this good list and great write up
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Hypoxia
Profile Joined May 2011
United States31 Posts
May 22 2011 02:05 GMT
#138
Can't wait to watch all these matches.
Yoshi Kirishima
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States10343 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-22 02:14:05
May 22 2011 02:08 GMT
#139
Wait, Boxer's TvZ is by far his worst matchup? Well he was able to beat Sen 2 in 2 different matches (NASL and TSL3)

Edit:

Also, lol at Kyrix's, didn't notice that at first.

Good pics btw and creative "theme". Don't agree with all the placements ofc, but they are pretty good and roughly in place.
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TheRealPaciFist
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States1049 Posts
May 22 2011 02:12 GMT
#140
Is this based on GSL's (I'm assuming ELO based) ranking system? Because I seem to remember Jinro being ranked tenth or eleventh in GSL recently
Second favorite strategy game of all time: Starcraft. First: Go (aka Wei Qi, Paduk, or Igo)
Existential
Profile Joined December 2010
Australia2107 Posts
May 22 2011 02:13 GMT
#141
Great write up. This tournament is going to be sick :D
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rysecake
Profile Joined October 2010
United States2632 Posts
May 22 2011 02:14 GMT
#142
On May 22 2011 11:01 HolyArrow wrote:
IMO MC should be above MVP. Unlike MVP, MC didn't fall to Code A, and he's also been participating in more tournaments than either MVP or Nestea (but Nestea has been so consistent I'm fine with his first place). And he's been winning or doing really well in nearly all of those tournaments.


Mvp's fall was a fluke. Guy never deserved to be in the up and downs in the first place, let alone code A. Though I get where you're coming from. I say all of them should tie for 1st with mkp taking 2nd hahaha
The Notorious Winkles
Indrium
Profile Joined November 2010
United States2236 Posts
May 22 2011 02:15 GMT
#143
Great list. <3 Jinro.
godemperor
Profile Joined October 2010
Belgium2043 Posts
May 22 2011 02:15 GMT
#144
On May 22 2011 11:12 TheRealPaciFist wrote:
Is this based on GSL's (I'm assuming ELO based) ranking system? Because I seem to remember Jinro being ranked tenth or eleventh in GSL recently

no the list is based on oppinions of the author, also Jinro is no longer the beast he was in GSL3 and 4, hope he rediscovers his form.
Stamper
Profile Joined February 2011
Germany148 Posts
May 22 2011 02:16 GMT
#145
I disagree on BoxeR's worst matchup being TvZ. I would even say it's his best matchup right now. (Before it was his worst, obviously)
PrideNeverDie
Profile Joined November 2010
United States319 Posts
May 22 2011 02:17 GMT
#146
screw the whole menu

give me cake and pie anyday (MKP, Losira, Alicia, MMA, Bomber)
If you want it bad enough you will find a way; If you don't, you will find an excuse
Dubzex
Profile Joined October 2010
United States6994 Posts
May 22 2011 02:19 GMT
#147
I want a bacon donut now pleaseeee
"DONT UNDERESTIMATE MY CARRY OR YOU WILL BE CARRIED INTO THE ABYSS OF SUFFERING" - Tyler 'TC' Cook
bittman
Profile Joined February 2011
Australia8759 Posts
May 22 2011 02:23 GMT
#148
On May 22 2011 11:12 TheRealPaciFist wrote:
Is this based on GSL's (I'm assuming ELO based) ranking system? Because I seem to remember Jinro being ranked tenth or eleventh in GSL recently


It appears to be a completely individually ranked affair. If it was on points alone, Bomber would be weighing in somewhere in the 50s I believe? (can't remember exactly).

Read the entire thing, was a great read. My main thoughts are:
- Alicia #6? That might be the most overhyped position I've seen. Sure he's beaten some good players, but if you compare his achievements to many higher than him, he's just so-so. I'm not an MKP fan, but putting Alicia above him is a tad ridiculous even with MKP's so-so form in the GSL, he's been great outside it.
- sC #13? I guess I can live with that, though I'd put him higher easy, especially above TOP and Supernova given his breakout of the all Terran deathgroup last season.
- Top 3 I don't think can be debated.
- Squirtle puns were hilarious.

Generally: I can't wait for this to begin, and much credit for going through all #64 as a preview.

And anyone else think of Epic Mealtime's Candy BBQ whilst reading this?
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Bobster
Profile Joined January 2011
Germany3075 Posts
May 22 2011 02:31 GMT
#149
Awesome awesome writeup.

After being teased by Mikilatov's excellent tournament roundups (being EU/NA power ranks in disguise), I've been waiting for a proper KR power rank and this does the job exceedingly well!

The best part is that I can easily see an update on the Top ~10 of this as a recurring/regular feature on the site. The introductory base work has been done already.

Great job TL.
Ashes
Profile Joined January 2011
United States362 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-22 02:37:25
May 22 2011 02:36 GMT
#150
MC fighting!!! I really want MC to perform well.

EDIT: It is an awesome write. TL writers are brilliant man
Mitchlew
Profile Joined September 2010
Australia428 Posts
May 22 2011 02:47 GMT
#151
I REALLY want to see some MC vs MVP or MC vs Nestea. I feel they have hardly ever vs'd each other.
HolyArrow
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States7116 Posts
May 22 2011 02:48 GMT
#152
On May 22 2011 11:14 rysecake wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 22 2011 11:01 HolyArrow wrote:
IMO MC should be above MVP. Unlike MVP, MC didn't fall to Code A, and he's also been participating in more tournaments than either MVP or Nestea (but Nestea has been so consistent I'm fine with his first place). And he's been winning or doing really well in nearly all of those tournaments.


Mvp's fall was a fluke. Guy never deserved to be in the up and downs in the first place, let alone code A. Though I get where you're coming from. I say all of them should tie for 1st with mkp taking 2nd hahaha


Sure, it was a fluke. Doesn't change the fact that it happened and he should be judged accordingly. The writer mentioned that MC fell to the up/downs last season. You could call that a fluke too, right? But no matter how you look at it, falling to the up/downs is nowhere near as bad as actually falling to Code A.
Antoine
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States7481 Posts
May 22 2011 02:50 GMT
#153
for those who are wondering about how the rankings were generated, GTR ranked them off his personal opinion and i made a few small changes.
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bkrow
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Australia8532 Posts
May 22 2011 02:50 GMT
#154
Lol TL writing staff is so creative hehe; not only do you inform us but you make me so so hungry!

This will hopefully be an awesome tournament; i really want a strong showing from the TL guys - that would really be something to watch!

Other than that - Mvp will win it against Nestea in the finals.
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KMARTRULES
Profile Joined August 2010
Australia474 Posts
May 22 2011 02:52 GMT
#155
MKP as 10?? -_-

He should be in between MMA and bomber, if not higher than bomber. He has shown that he is a great player, but just a notch below Nestea/MVP/MC.
bearhug
Profile Joined September 2010
United States999 Posts
May 22 2011 02:59 GMT
#156
On May 22 2011 08:22 strexer wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 22 2011 08:04 resonant23 wrote:
Sc should be a little higher, but nice writeup


Agreed, sC is a beast, even though he lost to NesTea. Top 4 in the GSL is no small feat. He also beat MPK in a FXOpen. sC should be at least be top ten. (I know there's a pun there with TOP)
Besides that little pet peeve, amazing write up. Love the Kyrix comment.


when did sc beat MPK in FXOpen? i watched FXOpen finals the other week and mkp 3:1 and 3:2 scfou in two bo5.

We are dusts in the vast cosmic arena. Need to make the most out of life when we still have it.
MindControL
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada6 Posts
May 22 2011 03:02 GMT
#157
NICE analogy with the food! some people have great imagination. =)
Being happy is a choice
icouldcareless
Profile Joined November 2010
United States96 Posts
May 22 2011 03:02 GMT
#158
Great article. While I don't agree with some of the rankings, it was a good read with some funny comments.
The Yeti
Profile Joined February 2011
United States2 Posts
May 22 2011 03:04 GMT
#159
go go zenio! hope he dyes his hair back ^_^ great writeup hard to argue with most of the placements
Ansinjunger
Profile Joined November 2010
United States2451 Posts
May 22 2011 03:17 GMT
#160
On May 22 2011 10:00 DBsin wrote:
As if Huk deserves to be in there. I know you need to plug your own team but hes just an outright douche and should be in Fat/Sugar free...if at all


So in your first post in 4 1/2 months since joining...never mind.


As I read this list, I got more and more giddy that MMA's name wasn't appearing, because I share a similar high opinion. Yes, his up/down games basically sucked when he lost (all but that 1st one against MKP if I remember), but his ace match wins in GSTL have been electrifying. If he can play like that consistently, he has the talent to squeeze into that very top tier, imo, or in other words, win a championship.

It's a bit weird Fruitdealer is below Trickster/Tester since Trickster has done very little more, if at all, than FD after FD's famous open season 1 championship.
skullhoof
Profile Joined December 2010
Korea (North)835 Posts
May 22 2011 03:22 GMT
#161
Legal Mind Fighting !!!
Polt was right about luck
skullhoof
Profile Joined December 2010
Korea (North)835 Posts
May 22 2011 03:31 GMT
#162
I can't believe fruit dealer is rank lower than Jinro, at least fruit dealer never fall down to code A before
Polt was right about luck
koolaid1990
Profile Joined September 2010
831 Posts
May 22 2011 03:58 GMT
#163
wtf how is MC 3rd... both won 2 championships, but MC has shown more consistent results out of korea and proved himself out of gsl...
thekoven
Profile Joined July 2010
United States128 Posts
May 22 2011 04:02 GMT
#164
This is truly the best article I've ever read on these forums. Intuitive insight filled with information on every player even with insider information! Great write up gentlemen. Please keep them coming each season!
twitch.tv/thekoven
Darathor
Profile Joined February 2011
United States327 Posts
May 22 2011 04:03 GMT
#165
Wonderful article! I can't wait to watch the super tournament! Go Boxer!
dabom88
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States3483 Posts
May 22 2011 04:04 GMT
#166
So you're basing these off your own judgments instead of their ELO/points/prizemoney, right? Obviously, you consider these, but those aren't ranked on the basis of some numerical point system right?
You should not have to pay to watch the GSL, Proleague, or OSL at a reasonable time. That is not "fine" and it's BS to say otherwise. My sig since 2011. http://www.youtube.com/user/dabom88
DisaFear
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Australia4074 Posts
May 22 2011 04:08 GMT
#167
haha, nice one, looks like a legit menu
love the three tops, obvious is obvious
Jinro so modest, wants to be rated last, like a boss
How devious | http://anartisticanswer.blogspot.com.au/
Stamper
Profile Joined February 2011
Germany148 Posts
May 22 2011 04:08 GMT
#168
On May 22 2011 13:04 dabom88 wrote:
So you're basing these off your own judgments instead of their ELO/points/prizemoney, right? Obviously, you consider these, but those aren't ranked on the basis of some numerical point system right?


Exactly.
Maynarde
Profile Joined September 2010
Australia1286 Posts
May 22 2011 04:13 GMT
#169
On May 22 2011 12:22 skullhoof wrote:
Legal Mind Fighting !!!


That made me chuckle
CommentatorAustralian SC2 Caster | Twitter: @MaynardeSC2 | Twitch: twitch.tv/maynarde
weiliem
Profile Joined January 2008
2071 Posts
May 22 2011 04:31 GMT
#170
i feel that MKP deserves higher.... but good write up overall.....
Oppa feeding style
Monzterg
Profile Joined July 2009
Sweden257 Posts
May 22 2011 04:36 GMT
#171
How does HuK make this list?

:/
Cyanocyst
Profile Joined October 2010
2222 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-22 04:39:45
May 22 2011 04:39 GMT
#172
On May 22 2011 08:33 1Eris1 wrote:
Other than that it looks really good, although personally I wouldn't have Nestea as no.1. MC and MVP have yet to lose a boX vs a zerg yet


As long as X isn't equal to one.
|| Fruit Dealer | Leenock | Yughio | Coca | Sniper | True | Solar | Dark |
pieman819
Profile Joined October 2010
Australia457 Posts
May 22 2011 04:44 GMT
#173
On May 22 2011 13:36 Monzterg wrote:
How does HuK make this list?

:/

it is everyone in the super tournament so not having him would be stupid since he is in the tournament.
Hi
Mykill
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Canada3402 Posts
May 22 2011 04:51 GMT
#174
bacon donut please. I'm pleased to see 3 of each race in top 3.
[~~The Impossible Leads To Invention~~] CJ Entusman #52 The problem with internet quotations is that they are hard to verify -Abraham Lincoln c.1863
AnDa1120
Profile Joined January 2011
Canada472 Posts
May 22 2011 04:51 GMT
#175
Kyrix LOL.

NaDa fighting!
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rysecake
Profile Joined October 2010
United States2632 Posts
May 22 2011 04:55 GMT
#176
On May 22 2011 13:51 Mykill wrote:
bacon donut please. I'm pleased to see 3 of each race in top 3.


3 of each race in top 3? haha
The Notorious Winkles
skullhoof
Profile Joined December 2010
Korea (North)835 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-22 05:05:26
May 22 2011 05:03 GMT
#177
On May 22 2011 13:36 Monzterg wrote:
How does HuK make this list?

:/


He along with 2 GSL Finalist Inca and Rain has the top 3 control in the world. He displayed this control when 4 gating MMA while Inca show off his in the final against Nestea.
Polt was right about luck
SlapMySalami
Profile Joined August 2010
United States1060 Posts
May 22 2011 05:06 GMT
#178
im surprised mc is a good dancer

who woulda known
marineking will u huk my bigtt1 ilu
AzK
Profile Joined July 2009
United States20 Posts
May 22 2011 05:09 GMT
#179
I can't believe cookies are 2nd to last tier. I'm a little offended.
cerebralz
Profile Joined August 2009
United States443 Posts
May 22 2011 05:10 GMT
#180
Great writeup as always...cue the anticipation!
Antoine
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States7481 Posts
May 22 2011 05:13 GMT
#181
On May 22 2011 14:06 SlapMySalami wrote:
im surprised mc is a good dancer

who woulda known

there is supposed to be a link there that i accidentally broke, i'm looking around for somebody to fix it ^^
ModeratorFlash Sea Action Snow Midas | TheStC Ret Tyler MC | RIP 우정호
casualman
Profile Joined April 2010
United States1198 Posts
May 22 2011 05:19 GMT
#182
Byun Fighting! ZeNex represent. And, after seeing HuK's stream, I can't doubt the man's skills. Best of luck to him.
GuMiho <3
dc302
Profile Joined December 2010
Australia576 Posts
May 22 2011 05:22 GMT
#183
Always will be a fruitdealer fan...go FD!! :D
...
Wargizmo
Profile Joined March 2010
Australia1237 Posts
May 22 2011 05:27 GMT
#184
On May 22 2011 13:04 dabom88 wrote:
So you're basing these off your own judgments instead of their ELO/points/prizemoney, right? Obviously, you consider these, but those aren't ranked on the basis of some numerical point system right?


That's kind of the point.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Editorial

If you're interested in a more mathematically based ranking scheme you should check out these:

http://ehcg.djgamblore.com/rankings.php
http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/sc2-korean/players
http://www.gomtv.net/2011gslsponsors3/news/65230
Information is not knowledge. Knowledge is not wisdom. Wisdom is not truth. Truth is not beauty. Beauty is not love. Love is not music. Music is best. - Frank Zappa
zergtat
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Hong Kong853 Posts
May 22 2011 05:34 GMT
#185
I AM SO HUNGRY, FOR BOTH GSL AND FOOD!
Z: SEn P: White-Ra T: Polt
Figgy
Profile Joined February 2011
Canada1788 Posts
May 22 2011 05:41 GMT
#186
On May 22 2011 13:04 dabom88 wrote:
So you're basing these off your own judgments instead of their ELO/points/prizemoney, right? Obviously, you consider these, but those aren't ranked on the basis of some numerical point system right?



The world championships unfortunately have massively skewed the points for all the koreans competing. They are all much, much higher than they should be, people who started off in Code A league seasons really have no chance to catch up for a long time now.
Bug Fixes Fixed an issue where, when facing a SlayerS terran, completing a hatchery would cause a medivac and 8 marines to randomly spawn nearby and attack it.
neats
Profile Joined February 2011
Canada59 Posts
May 22 2011 05:42 GMT
#187
OMG BACON DONUTS.

<3 GSL.
parazice
Profile Joined March 2011
Thailand5517 Posts
May 22 2011 06:03 GMT
#188
Haha Full set would be nice
JerKy
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Korea (South)3013 Posts
May 22 2011 06:06 GMT
#189
Hahaha I love how Kyrix got a picture instead

And this is an amazing list, thanks for the write
You can type "StarCraft" with just your left hand.
Ursadon-n-Pals
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United States928 Posts
May 22 2011 06:10 GMT
#190
Really nice writeup and hype for the GSL Super Tourney but this picture on the front page has been making me hungry every time I'm on TL.... which is all day...
Nothing worth having comes easy.
1Lamb1Rice
Profile Joined August 2010
United States435 Posts
May 22 2011 06:18 GMT
#191
Wow! This writeup is great, thanks for this! I have to agree with Nestea at the top. Kind of wondering why Losira is ranked worse than Alicia though...
twitch.tv/lambnrice @LambNRice
Wak.Turtle
Profile Joined January 2011
29 Posts
May 22 2011 06:18 GMT
#192
lol before i read this i thought those were pizza bagels now i just want bacon doughnuts...
pdd
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Australia9933 Posts
May 22 2011 06:23 GMT
#193
I really like the write-up. Especially since it's by Antoine and GTR, who are actually really knowledgeable with the Korean scene and players.

Loved the Kyrix write-up
TI4 Champions: EE-Sama | B7-God | A-God_2000 | Kappa Lord | pieliedie
FuzzyJAM
Profile Joined July 2010
Scotland9300 Posts
May 22 2011 06:40 GMT
#194
Good write up. Can't say I agree with too much of the Cake and Pie Tier, but that just goes to show how volatile the game is right now.

I really think this tournament will finally create a great individual GSL final. There are just too many amazing players to have one of them get there with cheese, good matchups and luck.
Did you ever say Yes to a single joy?
jjhchsc2
Profile Joined December 2010
Korea (South)2393 Posts
May 22 2011 06:43 GMT
#195
Wow ZvZ 92%.
Lee Ssang/ Lee Shin/ Kim Jung Woo/ Kim Min Chul/Jun Tae Yang/Park Soo Ho/Lee Jung Hoon/Choi Sung Hoon/ Moon Sung Won/Park Ji Soo/ Lee Ho Joon/ Jang Min Chul/ Kim Seung Chul/SaSe/IdrA/Ret Fighting! BW4Life
Tfunk
Profile Joined August 2010
United States45 Posts
May 22 2011 06:53 GMT
#196
Excellent read, thanks a ton for putting forth the effort. It is almost like a power rank, but longer and therefore more amazing!

Nerd chills @ #1 btw
Put that coffee down.
RaiKageRyu
Profile Joined August 2009
Canada4773 Posts
May 22 2011 06:58 GMT
#197
Nice write-up. I also feel by winning that Game against SC, nothing is impossible for Nestea now.
Someone call down the Thunder?
sc2pal
Profile Joined February 2011
Poland624 Posts
May 22 2011 07:24 GMT
#198
On May 22 2011 15:06 JerKy wrote:
Hahaha I love how Kyrix got a picture instead

And this is an amazing list, thanks for the write


hahah me too, who need description when u have baneling bust
yawnoC
Profile Joined December 2010
United States3704 Posts
May 22 2011 07:49 GMT
#199
Thank you for the write up and for making me hungry
GG - UNiVeRsE is the best player in the WORLD
Crazyahmed
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada280 Posts
May 22 2011 08:09 GMT
#200
nice ranking some positions are very questionable (tester in top 20^^)
Jacko11
Profile Joined November 2010
China146 Posts
May 22 2011 08:20 GMT
#201
I just knew Nestea was number one lol
MangoTango
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States3670 Posts
May 22 2011 08:30 GMT
#202
oh god now i'm so hungry. D:
"One fish, two fish, red fish, BLUE TANK!" - Artosis
dcemuser
Profile Joined August 2010
United States3248 Posts
May 22 2011 08:32 GMT
#203
Very good list.

MKP has a lot of fans here who will be mad at you for ranking him at 10th, but I agree that is probably where he belongs.

Other than a few changes here and there in a small number (usually moving up and down like 3-4 ranks), I think it is pretty dang good.
Incursus
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States415 Posts
May 22 2011 08:35 GMT
#204
I agree with this ranking overall. I approve of NesTea being in first, A few weeks ago I would've contested that ranking, but after NesTea vs sCfOu...I was legitimately inspired. Like his play was awe-inducing. NesTea wowed me in a way that NO SC2 player has, his spirit was in those games. You could tell that NesTea wanted those wins so badly, every inch of his being was invested in every maneuver he made. NesTea has the heart of the champion. The Eye of the Tiger if you would, and it makes me contemplate switching to Zerg because I see what he can do with it.
Don't be surprised when a crack in the ice...appears under your feet.
genius_man16
Profile Joined February 2011
United States749 Posts
May 22 2011 08:37 GMT
#205
I'm just so damn excited for this tournament to get started!!! I'm always more of a fan of the big 64 man tourneys than the split 32 w/groups version. This just seems more old-school and manly to me.
Dyrus | Vooby | Balls | Meteos | WildTurtle | Bjergsen | Cop | sexPeke | Xpecial | Aphromoo | Scarra |
uSnAmplified
Profile Joined October 2010
United States1029 Posts
May 22 2011 08:40 GMT
#206
The write up of kyrix is by far the best of them all, moons was pretty funny to.
~
Ejohrik
Profile Joined December 2010
Sweden219 Posts
May 22 2011 09:02 GMT
#207
Not being an expert of any kind (follow Code S from time to time), I was proud to guess the order of top-3 right. :D

My wishes go out to LosirA, MarineKingPrime and Jinro.
Starcraftplaylist
Profile Joined May 2011
194 Posts
May 22 2011 09:09 GMT
#208
Top 1 should be the dude who eats everybody else
KaRath_
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Australia245 Posts
May 22 2011 09:29 GMT
#209
If you want to bitch about the way the players were ranked, write your own article on what you think they should be ranked. Obviously nothing is going to be perfect, but this is a well-written article. And let's be honest, Jinro and HuK (even though they are TL members) have shown they can play well.


And lol @ Jinro for suggesting he be 64th... such a modest guy <3
I wasted my nights, you turned out the lights, now I'm paralysed, still stuck in that time...
syllogism
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland5948 Posts
May 22 2011 09:36 GMT
#210
Nice list, but a bit speculative for my tastes as some of the newer names are ranked very high despite having played very few games at the highest level
Woony
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Germany6657 Posts
May 22 2011 09:38 GMT
#211
On May 22 2011 08:07 feanor1 wrote:
MKP being #10 seems way to low, somewhere in the 4-6th range imo


Yeah, while all those new guys above him have potential they haven't shown the results to be above MKP yet.
Oxymoron
Profile Joined August 2009
Canada137 Posts
May 22 2011 09:39 GMT
#212
Here's hoping for a MKP vs NesTea repeat final. The reigning champion vs the reigning runner up. The zerg king vs the marine king. The man who took 100,000,000 won from MKP in season 2, now fighting with 100,000,000 won on the line again.
kckkryptonite
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
1126 Posts
May 22 2011 09:41 GMT
#213
Great write-up, I hope MMA does well, that guy always produces epic games.
RIP avilo, qxc keyboard 2013, RIP Nathanis keyboard 2014
Mutaahh
Profile Joined June 2007
Netherlands859 Posts
May 22 2011 09:56 GMT
#214
This is one of the best topics about the SC2 proscene

Oh
my
god!

lets have a dessert now!
I want to fly
Saracen
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States5139 Posts
May 22 2011 10:02 GMT
#215
How did you decide between the lower numbers (like who gets spot #52 over #53?)
R3N
Profile Joined March 2011
740 Posts
May 22 2011 10:03 GMT
#216
No cheese. Me disappoint.

Reasonable
Profile Joined September 2010
Ukraine1432 Posts
May 22 2011 10:22 GMT
#217
I'll take the whole menu with some cakes and pies
HuK
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Canada1591 Posts
May 22 2011 10:23 GMT
#218
very nice writeup and fun read, thx a lot
ProgamerLive like a God or die like a Slave 11:11
RPR_Tempest
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Australia7798 Posts
May 22 2011 10:28 GMT
#219
Rain is too low. He should be a few spaces higher.
Soundwave, Zerg player from Canberra, Australia. @SoundwaveSC
HelloxD
Profile Joined May 2011
378 Posts
May 22 2011 10:30 GMT
#220
'At the beginning of this year, the question was: Who of the legends is going to recreate their Warcraft 3 success first, Moon or Grubby? At this point, the answer is neither. Grubby accomplished the previously unthinkable task of losing to Artosis in the NASL this past week (and 0-2 at that), and Moon’s most memorable moments have been failed baneling bombs.'

Yeah, ur gonna regret writing that
Trinz
Profile Joined August 2010
Australia72 Posts
May 22 2011 10:30 GMT
#221
Starcraft 2 and food <3

Good write up. Brought back a lot of good memories from the GSL.
ZeromuS
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada13389 Posts
May 22 2011 10:48 GMT
#222
I read this and now Am eating a smores donut from Tim Hortons. Thats right everyone not in Canada is jealous
StrategyRTS forever | @ZeromuS_plays | www.twitch.tv/Zeromus_
cordlc
Profile Joined November 2010
United States360 Posts
May 22 2011 11:05 GMT
#223
Mm, surprised so many people are arguing against Alicia's high position.

Note this guy is recognized by the SlayerS team as their top player. He's the reason Bomber didn't make it to Code A last season. He took Nestea & Losira out in the 2nd GSTL.

Not that any of this really matters much, especially the zerg wins (as they were short, all-in games). What's important is his actual play in the games, he often looks beastly even when he loses.

Shame he's up against MC first, as his PvP is likely weaker, but if he manages to make it out, he's going to plow his way to the top...
Eufouria
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United Kingdom4425 Posts
May 22 2011 11:11 GMT
#224
Overall you've done a good job. You can make an argument that MKP should be higher, but when you look at the Terrans above him that's probably where he belongs. I think you've ranked MMA too high though, he's clearly a top Terran and definitely capable of being top 5, but I don't think he's done enough outside of the GSTL yet to have earned that place. I'd have put him 10th and just moved the players between 10th and 6th up one place.

I would have put San higher too. He's bottom in that group of 5 protosses, but I'd say he's better than the 2 Prime.we Protosses, and probably Inca too.
Frankon
Profile Joined May 2010
3054 Posts
May 22 2011 11:15 GMT
#225
I think to MarineKing there should be added "The man who changed TvZ forever" to the description.
wolfguru
Profile Joined May 2011
79 Posts
May 22 2011 11:25 GMT
#226
good right up.
however i think you should change some of the rankings. IMO MMA is way too high, other than GSTL he doesn't have any great results, also i think SC should be higher as well as Lyn he got to ro8. other than that it was alot fun to read . i want to see MVP win
Coolhwip
Profile Joined March 2011
Sweden1381 Posts
May 22 2011 11:41 GMT
#227
sC should definetly be higher, and Jinro should be lower for sure.
crack
Dezire
Profile Joined December 2010
Netherlands640 Posts
May 22 2011 11:46 GMT
#228
i actually read all of that, well done! i liked it alot
BoxeR, HuK, IdrA, Minigun, MVP <3
red4ce
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States7313 Posts
May 22 2011 11:58 GMT
#229
I loved this whole article except for one thing...how can you put cake and pie above ice cream??!
Maskedsatyr
Profile Joined September 2010
Singapore1245 Posts
May 22 2011 11:59 GMT
#230
Great write-up. So many mid-level protoss that I couldn't tell apart before this. Can't wait for GSL to start again!
"Don't believe in you who believes in me, don't believe in me who believes in you, believe in you...who believes in yourself!"
EndOfTime88
Profile Joined February 2011
Austria259 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-22 12:13:06
May 22 2011 12:11 GMT
#231
Huk's a little too high on the list imo, but w/e.

Overall very accurate & creative descriptions/rankings. Love the Kyrix pic. ^^
"Time is what we want most,but what we use worst."-William Penn
WArped
Profile Joined December 2010
United Kingdom4845 Posts
May 22 2011 12:44 GMT
#232
You really know how to lure in hungry Starcraft fans. Amazing write-up, loved reading all the player comments.

NesTea Fighting!!
Neverplay
Profile Joined May 2010
Austria532 Posts
May 22 2011 13:01 GMT
#233
great writeup
Better light a candle than curse the darkness
Zorgaz
Profile Joined June 2010
Sweden2951 Posts
May 22 2011 13:26 GMT
#234
Awesomely written.

But you guys just got me super-hungry ^^.

Oh to eat all those cakes while watching the gsl, not much that could top that :D.
Furthermore, I think the Collosi should be removed! (Zorgaz -Terran/AbrA-Random/Zorg-Dota2) Guineapigs <3
Mithriel
Profile Joined November 2010
Netherlands2969 Posts
May 22 2011 13:50 GMT
#235
im mega hungry now, and have like no food in house.... fuck!!!! Stupid netherlands where everything is closed on sunday!
There is no shame in defeat so long as the spirit is unconquered. | Cheering for Maru, Innovation and MMA!
See.Blue
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
United States2673 Posts
May 22 2011 14:10 GMT
#236
Love it. If we can't get a formal power rank this will certainly do for the moment
pHelix Equilibria
Profile Joined August 2010
United States1134 Posts
May 22 2011 14:53 GMT
#237
Awesome write up! MC is not a good dancer lol.
If Nada wasn't in university? Holy Moley!
Arcanefrost
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium1257 Posts
May 22 2011 14:58 GMT
#238
Grubby accomplished the previously unthinkable task of losing to Artosis in the NASL this past week (and 0-2 at that)


Haha, that's exactly what I thought when I first read he lost
Valor is a poor substitute for numbers.
mapthesoul
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Trinidad/Tobago429 Posts
May 22 2011 14:58 GMT
#239
Awesome article.
I'm a little saddened by the Kyrix picture though I think he's an excellent player.
Stanlot
Profile Joined December 2010
United States5742 Posts
May 22 2011 15:01 GMT
#240
On May 22 2011 19:48 ZeromuS wrote:
I read this and now Am eating a smores donut from Tim Hortons. Thats right everyone not in Canada is jealous

There are Tim Hortons in New York
MC: "Sentry Forcefield Forcefield Marauder... cage Marauder die die"
Skank
Profile Joined October 2010
United States329 Posts
May 22 2011 15:28 GMT
#241
Woah, never knew Bomber's stats were so scary...
"To be honest, to play protoss is ridiculously simple" -NesTea
EAGER-beaver
Profile Joined March 2004
Canada2799 Posts
May 22 2011 15:43 GMT
#242
Rofl, really good write up guys. Now if you'll excuse me I have a sudden craving for some ice cream and doughnuts...
Simon and Garfunkel rock my face off
MK4512
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Canada938 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-22 15:44:08
May 22 2011 15:43 GMT
#243
Nice write up!

bomber looking like the next new thing
Chill: "Please let us know when you will be streaming yourself eating a hat so I can put it on the calendar. Thanks."
Polygamy
Profile Joined January 2010
Austria1114 Posts
May 22 2011 16:09 GMT
#244
too bad there are only two protoss in the top 14
hugman
Profile Joined June 2009
Sweden4644 Posts
May 22 2011 16:22 GMT
#245
lol @ kyrix
I think he should be higher though
Sicky
Profile Joined August 2010
United Kingdom121 Posts
May 22 2011 16:30 GMT
#246
I'd love to see TheWind and BoxeR do well this tournament. Would also be nice to see Tester dominate once again. All of these names take me back to S1.
winthrop
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Hong Kong956 Posts
May 22 2011 16:42 GMT
#247
bias view
supernova and top is not that top
jinro can be place higher but huk of course not
mkp at least 4th
Incredible Miracle
icecon
Profile Joined October 2010
Brazil62 Posts
May 22 2011 16:46 GMT
#248
Moon was runner up at IEM. Even though his GSL results have been lacking, I'd say it's a bit harsh to put him at 58th out of 62
bigjenk
Profile Joined September 2010
United States1543 Posts
May 22 2011 17:12 GMT
#249
Interesting list but mma as top 5 is a bit of a joke based on his perfomance. Outside bo1 gstl he hasn't made it out of code a and has been mollywhomped in his up/down.
Ignore my opinions I am bad
zyzq
Profile Joined February 2011
United States3123 Posts
May 22 2011 17:17 GMT
#250
cool read
deathserv
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States228 Posts
May 22 2011 17:21 GMT
#251
Really fun and lively writeup. Great job! I wasn't particularly enthusiastic about this tournament until after I read this - now, I will definitely be purchasing a VOD ticket.
Bobster
Profile Joined January 2011
Germany3075 Posts
May 22 2011 17:37 GMT
#252
Poll: Would you like this to be a recurring feature?

Yes, once before every big GSL tournament. (35)
 
76%

Yes. once every month. (9)
 
20%

Yes, one every couple months. (1)
 
2%

No. (1)
 
2%

46 total votes

Your vote: Would you like this to be a recurring feature?

(Vote): Yes. once every month.
(Vote): Yes, once before every big GSL tournament.
(Vote): Yes, one every couple months.
(Vote): No.



Poll: How many players should this cover?

All players participating in the GSL (26)
 
62%

The Top 32 (Code S) (14)
 
33%

The Top 10 (2)
 
5%

42 total votes

Your vote: How many players should this cover?

(Vote): All players participating in the GSL
(Vote): The Top 32 (Code S)
(Vote): The Top 10



Skank
Profile Joined October 2010
United States329 Posts
May 22 2011 17:41 GMT
#253
On May 22 2011 07:43 Kluey wrote:
I use to be a Nestea fan until he commented about the balance. Anywho, good list!


You know he was joking, right?
"To be honest, to play protoss is ridiculously simple" -NesTea
dunc
Profile Joined November 2010
Netherlands1105 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-22 18:53:41
May 22 2011 18:52 GMT
#254
Pretty sure MarineKing has played 2 bo5's vs Nada and won them both, only losing a bo1 :o

Not sure why someone who's been in 3/7 finals in the best tournament in the world is ranked lower than MMA(rofl), Alicia and Nada, he should be at least tied #4 with Bomber

But hype and bias will always be part of these I guess, good writeup eh
Cel.erity
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States4890 Posts
May 22 2011 19:06 GMT
#255
lol, I fel like Supernova is paying TL to overhype him before each major tournament.

Other than that though, I think your rankings are really good!
We found Dove in a soapless place.
shaman6ix
Profile Joined January 2011
Greece212 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-22 19:09:50
May 22 2011 19:09 GMT
#256
On May 23 2011 02:41 Skank wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 22 2011 07:43 Kluey wrote:
I use to be a Nestea fan until he commented about the balance. Anywho, good list!


You know he was joking, right?


says who? you? how that statement he made could ever in any universe be a joke? seemed pretty straight forward to me. im so tired of fanboys trying to protect their 'idols'.. nestea IS the best zerg in the world and a fantastic player overall but i never thought he was going to go down that idra road.. its sad really for a player of his caliber.
when evolution is outlawed, only outlaws will evolve
wristuzi
Profile Joined July 2010
United Kingdom1168 Posts
May 22 2011 19:09 GMT
#257
Great write up ^^
MarineKingPrime ¯\_(シ)_/¯ // Naniwa ¯\_(シ)_/¯ // Morrow
Figgy
Profile Joined February 2011
Canada1788 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-22 19:35:47
May 22 2011 19:33 GMT
#258
MKP should be 5th at the lowest, maybe behind Bomber.

MMA is ranked way too high. He took long enough to make it into Code A, and wasn't very close to making it out. Compared to people like Nada and MKP who have remained consistant it just doesn't compare.

Still a great write up and an amazing read.
Bug Fixes Fixed an issue where, when facing a SlayerS terran, completing a hatchery would cause a medivac and 8 marines to randomly spawn nearby and attack it.
ComusLoM
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Norway3547 Posts
May 22 2011 19:58 GMT
#259
Epic writeup, it's lovely to see them again.
"The White Woman Speaks in Tongues That Are All Lies" - Incontrol; Member #37 of the Chill Fanclub
oo inflame oo
Profile Joined April 2011
United States286 Posts
May 22 2011 20:11 GMT
#260
On May 23 2011 04:09 shaman6ix wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 23 2011 02:41 Skank wrote:
On May 22 2011 07:43 Kluey wrote:
I use to be a Nestea fan until he commented about the balance. Anywho, good list!


You know he was joking, right?


says who? you? how that statement he made could ever in any universe be a joke? seemed pretty straight forward to me. im so tired of fanboys trying to protect their 'idols'.. nestea IS the best zerg in the world and a fantastic player overall but i never thought he was going to go down that idra road.. its sad really for a player of his caliber.


Calm down man, there are a lot of Zergs that think that: Sen, Morrow, Idra, Machine, etc. They should lose fans just for having an opinion? lol
Hemera
Profile Joined February 2011
Denmark15 Posts
May 22 2011 20:50 GMT
#261
but he’s no real threat to win a StarLeague, and the same goes for InCa.


And yet you rank him 14. L O L.
Oxymoron
Profile Joined August 2009
Canada137 Posts
May 22 2011 21:12 GMT
#262
Like many other people have said, MKP should definitely be ranked higher than players like MMA. He's one of the most consistent players, making more finals than any other player and have defeated scary opponents such as NaDa and MC. The ranks should be based off the players' overall performance, not simply on how well they do in Bo1's in the team league.
Figgy
Profile Joined February 2011
Canada1788 Posts
May 22 2011 21:22 GMT
#263
On May 23 2011 05:50 Hemera wrote:
Show nested quote +
but he’s no real threat to win a StarLeague, and the same goes for InCa.


And yet you rank him 14. L O L.


He deserves that rank to be quite frank. He is probably the 2nd best PvPer in the world next to MC, and his PvT is great. Being horrible in one match-up does not exclude everything else he is good at.
Bug Fixes Fixed an issue where, when facing a SlayerS terran, completing a hatchery would cause a medivac and 8 marines to randomly spawn nearby and attack it.
dunc
Profile Joined November 2010
Netherlands1105 Posts
May 22 2011 21:37 GMT
#264
On May 22 2011 08:17 Beyonder wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 22 2011 08:10 KimJongChill wrote:
Hey OP, I think you should make Nestea, MVP, MC all tied for number and make MKP #2. Seems more accurate..

Hhehe Its a true story! Nice write-up, love these original perspectives.


Yeah I don't see how there's an argument possible. If anything MC should be #1 since he is by far the most consistent. But I'd place MC/MVP/Nestea on the same level, MarineKing not far behind and Bomber behind MarineKing. No one else comes close at the moment.

Just terribly biased.
noodlesinsoup
Profile Joined October 2010
United States106 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-22 22:22:05
May 22 2011 22:21 GMT
#265
Wow! I usually skim through articles but I actually read this entire list. Would love to see more stuff by you. ♥
antilyon
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Brazil2546 Posts
May 22 2011 22:23 GMT
#266
Good write-up, but too biased imo, go MKP, show those non-believers.
shaman6ix
Profile Joined January 2011
Greece212 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-22 22:59:00
May 22 2011 22:28 GMT
#267
On May 23 2011 05:11 oo inflame oo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 23 2011 04:09 shaman6ix wrote:
On May 23 2011 02:41 Skank wrote:
On May 22 2011 07:43 Kluey wrote:
I use to be a Nestea fan until he commented about the balance. Anywho, good list!


You know he was joking, right?


says who? you? how that statement he made could ever in any universe be a joke? seemed pretty straight forward to me. im so tired of fanboys trying to protect their 'idols'.. nestea IS the best zerg in the world and a fantastic player overall but i never thought he was going to go down that idra road.. its sad really for a player of his caliber.


Calm down man, there are a lot of Zergs that think that: Sen, Morrow, Idra, Machine, etc. They should lose fans just for having an opinion? lol


just having an opinion? you think idra is just stating an opinion? to me it seems more like a immature kid full of teenage hormones who whines just about everything - and yes he should lose fans for that. statistics and tournament results aint backing up his sayings in any way but the thing is zerg whiners around the world are following him cause of their mindless fanboyism. I play protoss and i am a fan of MC and Whitera but if idra played protoss i would never ever be a fan of his (even if toss was the most underpowered race of all time which isnt quite the case with zerg). Nestea is a completely different story though, i respect him as a player and thats why it saddens me the fact that he commented on balance the way he did.

On topic though: i think the OP did an amazing job, great read. Of course i agree that MKP and sC should be higher on the list and MMA should be lower but hey i dont think there could be a list that everyone would agree with - opinions differ. Bomber is a different story than MMA though, i think he deserves sopt 4 (maybe 5 if MKP was 4) cause he is extremely skilled in my opinion. Top 3 is how it should be, the order doesnt matter.
when evolution is outlawed, only outlaws will evolve
Irave
Profile Joined October 2010
United States9965 Posts
May 22 2011 22:50 GMT
#268
Makes me crave Voodoo doughnuts, and some great sc2 games!
AEsgaims
Profile Joined November 2010
United States237 Posts
May 22 2011 22:55 GMT
#269
yes i want a bacon donut now.
oo inflame oo
Profile Joined April 2011
United States286 Posts
May 22 2011 23:15 GMT
#270
I'd put MKP at 6. He certainly shouldnt be ahead of Bomber, seeing as how Bomber beat MvP in a bo7 and MKP lost soundly to MvP in a Bo7 twice. I'd put Nada ahead of MKP because a lot of MKPs results came from gimmicky play, while Nada has been solid since he entered the GSL.
dunc
Profile Joined November 2010
Netherlands1105 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-22 23:35:45
May 22 2011 23:23 GMT
#271
You base your Bomber placement on one player beating the other, whereas the other one lost. Yet Nada who lost 2 bo5's to MarineKing should be put ahead of him?

MarineKing has been beating the top players and has been part of the top 4 for a long time and is recognized as such by MVP/MC/Nestea. Nada isn't. Bomber is far too new, he is an insane player yes but he has yet to prove himself.


edit: Actually I'm wrong, I thought MKP fought Nada in the Gainward(where he, Nestea and MVP all went undefeated until meeting eachother) but he beat Bomber 2-0 in a bo3 instead.

Bomber beats mvp, mvp beats MKP and MKP beats Bomber??
MechKing
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States3004 Posts
May 22 2011 23:41 GMT
#272
sCfOu should definitely be higher up. SuperNoVa and TOP aren't that good tbh.
Broodlings
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United States157 Posts
May 22 2011 23:52 GMT
#273
Best TL post ever!!!
There is no Karont3 icon???? what is this madness?
mrRoflpwn
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States2618 Posts
May 23 2011 00:00 GMT
#274
Just bought my premium ticket! First time buying the ticket (except MLG) for anything btw lol. I am SO pumped for this. MVP first match woot!
Long live the Boss Toss!
snowbird
Profile Blog Joined October 2005
Germany2044 Posts
May 23 2011 00:12 GMT
#275
Very nice write up, thanks a lot!
@riotsnowbird
Kaiwa
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Netherlands2209 Posts
May 23 2011 00:28 GMT
#276
I like myself some Kyrix
시크릿 / 씨스타 / 에이핑크 / 윤하 / 가비앤제이
StarscreamG1
Profile Joined February 2011
Portugal1653 Posts
May 23 2011 01:41 GMT
#277
The Protoss community is shocked. MC Vs Alicia? My 2 favorite tosses... ;-(
Dasdude
Profile Joined November 2010
United States45 Posts
May 23 2011 01:44 GMT
#278
Happy to see one of each in the top three!
Quote?
Mailing
Profile Joined March 2011
United States3087 Posts
May 23 2011 01:59 GMT
#279
On May 23 2011 07:28 shaman6ix wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 23 2011 05:11 oo inflame oo wrote:
On May 23 2011 04:09 shaman6ix wrote:
On May 23 2011 02:41 Skank wrote:
On May 22 2011 07:43 Kluey wrote:
I use to be a Nestea fan until he commented about the balance. Anywho, good list!


You know he was joking, right?


says who? you? how that statement he made could ever in any universe be a joke? seemed pretty straight forward to me. im so tired of fanboys trying to protect their 'idols'.. nestea IS the best zerg in the world and a fantastic player overall but i never thought he was going to go down that idra road.. its sad really for a player of his caliber.


Calm down man, there are a lot of Zergs that think that: Sen, Morrow, Idra, Machine, etc. They should lose fans just for having an opinion? lol


just having an opinion? you think idra is just stating an opinion? to me it seems more like a immature kid full of teenage hormones who whines just about everything - and yes he should lose fans for that. statistics and tournament results aint backing up his sayings in any way but the thing is zerg whiners around the world are following him cause of their mindless fanboyism. I play protoss and i am a fan of MC and Whitera but if idra played protoss i would never ever be a fan of his (even if toss was the most underpowered race of all time which isnt quite the case with zerg). Nestea is a completely different story though, i respect him as a player and thats why it saddens me the fact that he commented on balance the way he did.

On topic though: i think the OP did an amazing job, great read. Of course i agree that MKP and sC should be higher on the list and MMA should be lower but hey i dont think there could be a list that everyone would agree with - opinions differ. Bomber is a different story than MMA though, i think he deserves sopt 4 (maybe 5 if MKP was 4) cause he is extremely skilled in my opinion. Top 3 is how it should be, the order doesnt matter.


IdrA's opinions have changed the game. You should take a look at some of the things he has complained about and then take a look at patches 1.1, 1.2, and 1.3



Someone has to speak up, idra is just known because his team doesn't stop him from doing so. (like ret)
Are you hurting ESPORTS? Find out today - http://www.teamliquid.net/blogs/viewblog.php?topic_id=232866
Syorm
Profile Joined April 2011
131 Posts
May 23 2011 02:24 GMT
#280
NesTea for the win!!!
hoborg
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States430 Posts
May 23 2011 02:34 GMT
#281
I thought those were Bagel Bites in the picture.

The look on Jinro's face is the perfect look to have on your face when you are superimposed in front of some Bagel Bites.
blbl | CJ and ACE fighting!
lynx.oblige
Profile Joined August 2009
Sierra Leone2268 Posts
May 23 2011 03:14 GMT
#282
I'm hungry
Everyone needs a nemesis.
Kibibit
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States1551 Posts
May 23 2011 03:15 GMT
#283
a bit sad that folks are underrating Moon again, you'd think people would learn after the IEM writeup. The fact that Moon is an entire rung below folks who are wholesale more inconsistent (as Inconsistency is Moon's biggest fault) and have worse straight up results than him both in and out of GSL Makes his really low position pretty silly.

[/Moon fanboyism]

That said, awesome writeup, and I rather like the theme.
R.I.P. 우정호 || Do probes dream of psionic sheep?
Allied
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States129 Posts
May 23 2011 06:02 GMT
#284
one of the best well written writeups i've seen.

da bess
twitter: @AlliieD
HelloxD
Profile Joined May 2011
378 Posts
May 23 2011 06:39 GMT
#285
On May 23 2011 12:15 Kibibit wrote:
a bit sad that folks are underrating Moon again, you'd think people would learn after the IEM writeup. The fact that Moon is an entire rung below folks who are wholesale more inconsistent (as Inconsistency is Moon's biggest fault) and have worse straight up results than him both in and out of GSL Makes his really low position pretty silly.

[/Moon fanboyism]

That said, awesome writeup, and I rather like the theme.


hope moon wins hong un xD
and i agree with you
catleaves
Profile Joined December 2010
United States506 Posts
May 23 2011 06:58 GMT
#286
hahaha! thank you for this! : )
^^
[F_]aths
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Germany3947 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-23 07:57:56
May 23 2011 07:57 GMT
#287
On May 22 2011 07:58 Antoine wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 22 2011 07:56 Nemara wrote:
Surprisingly Lyn, not Moon or Grubby, is the most successful to date of the prominent WC3 players.

Naniwa, Thorzain, Kiwikaki?

From what I know Lyn and especially Moon and Grubby were on another level from those 3. Admittedly, I'm no expert on the WC3 scene, so if that's incorrect I can change it.
One could say that these three, and oftentimes also Sky, were considered the top WC3 players.

Check and Violet were known players, but did not reach the top tier.
You don't choose to play zerg. The zerg choose you.
Yami_no_cosmos
Profile Joined February 2011
Sweden59 Posts
May 23 2011 07:57 GMT
#288
This is be a great tournament indeed. ♥
" Best at what I do, but what I do isn't pretty"
quickml
Profile Joined October 2010
United States17 Posts
May 23 2011 08:10 GMT
#289
Terrible article. The rankings are unbelievably off. Gj on the categories though. I mean Clide is ranked higher than FruitDealer. Clide is the worst player since the Code S/A formation. He gets so much attention but hasn't won jack. He is a practice dummy at best.
"When you win, nothing hurts." -Joe Namath
AxionSteel
Profile Joined January 2011
United States7754 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-23 08:48:49
May 23 2011 08:43 GMT
#290
I don't see how it's possible for someone to rate Alicia or MMA higher than MarineKing or sC, what's Alicia done to deserve such a ranking? I like MarineKing, but not one of those fanboys who rates him alongside MvP and Nestea, but still his very consistant results are worthy of a top 7 rank for sure. Someone like Alicia belongs in the 20's.

It's just a list though, everyone has an opinion.
shaman6ix
Profile Joined January 2011
Greece212 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-23 08:49:27
May 23 2011 08:43 GMT
#291
On May 23 2011 10:59 Mailing wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 23 2011 07:28 shaman6ix wrote:
On May 23 2011 05:11 oo inflame oo wrote:
On May 23 2011 04:09 shaman6ix wrote:
On May 23 2011 02:41 Skank wrote:
On May 22 2011 07:43 Kluey wrote:
I use to be a Nestea fan until he commented about the balance. Anywho, good list!


You know he was joking, right?


says who? you? how that statement he made could ever in any universe be a joke? seemed pretty straight forward to me. im so tired of fanboys trying to protect their 'idols'.. nestea IS the best zerg in the world and a fantastic player overall but i never thought he was going to go down that idra road.. its sad really for a player of his caliber.


Calm down man, there are a lot of Zergs that think that: Sen, Morrow, Idra, Machine, etc. They should lose fans just for having an opinion? lol


just having an opinion? you think idra is just stating an opinion? to me it seems more like a immature kid full of teenage hormones who whines just about everything - and yes he should lose fans for that. statistics and tournament results aint backing up his sayings in any way but the thing is zerg whiners around the world are following him cause of their mindless fanboyism. I play protoss and i am a fan of MC and Whitera but if idra played protoss i would never ever be a fan of his (even if toss was the most underpowered race of all time which isnt quite the case with zerg). Nestea is a completely different story though, i respect him as a player and thats why it saddens me the fact that he commented on balance the way he did.

On topic though: i think the OP did an amazing job, great read. Of course i agree that MKP and sC should be higher on the list and MMA should be lower but hey i dont think there could be a list that everyone would agree with - opinions differ. Bomber is a different story than MMA though, i think he deserves sopt 4 (maybe 5 if MKP was 4) cause he is extremely skilled in my opinion. Top 3 is how it should be, the order doesnt matter.


IdrA's opinions have changed the game. You should take a look at some of the things he has complained about and then take a look at patches 1.1, 1.2, and 1.3



Someone has to speak up, idra is just known because his team doesn't stop him from doing so. (like ret)



hahaha yy keep telling yourself that. Im sure blizzard follows idra closely and doesnt actually patch if no previous whine has already occurred. Oh and while we're at it, lets give credit to all those people who were suggesting archons become massive.
when evolution is outlawed, only outlaws will evolve
bearhug
Profile Joined September 2010
United States999 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-23 11:45:30
May 23 2011 09:02 GMT
#292
One thing I want to point out is that 6 of the top 10 players on the list are 23+, and MVP 20, MC 19( 20 next month), Losira 19, MKP 17(18 in two months).

We are dusts in the vast cosmic arena. Need to make the most out of life when we still have it.
konaman
Profile Joined October 2010
Australia283 Posts
May 23 2011 09:34 GMT
#293
I think the article is very interesting and despite the fact that i disagree with a lot of it, it was an enjoyable read.

The article is obviously very form heavy, basically a current ability list, it would be interesting to contrast it with a SC2 "greatness" list, based on who a player has beaten and their opponents over the duration of SC2.

For instance someone like Nada is rated very high in this list, yet his record against opponents in the list isn't all that great. A few stats from looking through TL profiles and comparing it with the list:

Nada:

- 21 W versus 20 L (51 %) against 64 man list
- 10 W versus 15 L (40 %) against top 20
- 3 W versus 10 L (30 %) against top 10
- 0 W versus 3 L (0 %) against top 5

MarineKing:

- 54 W versus 33 L (62 %) against 64 man list
- 20 W versus 22 L (47 %) against top 20
- 14 W versus 18 L (43 %) against top 10
- 11 W versus 16 L (40 %) against top 5

Marineking's record against players excluding the three bosses, Nestea, MC and MVP, is exceptional, his record of 1-7 against MVP puts a big whack on his stats. Clearly his resume and calibre across the breadth of SC2 is considerably better than Nada.

Looking purely at numbers is disadvantageous for MarineKing however because he is a victim of his own success, having played 20 games against the aforementioned badarses.

Regardless of MarineKing's clear decline, and Nada's improvement, i can't put Nada above MarineKing even with a heavy form emphasis, there is too much of a difference in resume and achievements.
nihoh
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Australia978 Posts
May 23 2011 11:42 GMT
#294
MKP, July, Nada, before Losira, before MMA, Bomber and Alicia.
Dont look at the finger or you will miss all that heavenly glory.
ma70
Profile Joined October 2010
253 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-23 12:25:04
May 23 2011 12:22 GMT
#295
On May 23 2011 16:57 [F_]aths wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 22 2011 07:58 Antoine wrote:
On May 22 2011 07:56 Nemara wrote:
Surprisingly Lyn, not Moon or Grubby, is the most successful to date of the prominent WC3 players.

Naniwa, Thorzain, Kiwikaki?

From what I know Lyn and especially Moon and Grubby were on another level from those 3. Admittedly, I'm no expert on the WC3 scene, so if that's incorrect I can change it.
One could say that these three, and oftentimes also Sky, were considered the top WC3 players.

Check and Violet were known players, but did not reach the top tier.


There were a lot of top tier players in WC3 that were as good as Moon/Grubby/Lyn, but they all quit while those three continued to play the game for a long time. Although I'd have to say that Check was really good until he stopped practicing WC3/got lazy, and Violet was up and coming.

It's not surprising that the WC3 pros aren't showing that great results in SC2. It's a totally different game. WC3 was more intensely micro based, where the best micro would win the game. There IS micro in SC2, but micro just isn't as important as macro in this game due to the fact that more units are usually better than well controlled units. In WC3, you'd memorize a build order that usually had a maximum of 13 workers on one base, and 5-7 workers at each expansion (which were not plentiful usually)

I'm hoping they do better though.

EDIT: Surprised that MC/MVP/Nestea aren't ALL #1. I don't think they should be put in that order.
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
May 23 2011 12:58 GMT
#296
Looks like MKP has been randomly penalised 5 places or so. Outside the top 3 he's easily been the most consistent player.
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Macabre
Profile Joined July 2010
United States1262 Posts
May 23 2011 13:07 GMT
#297
Sweet read. That video of MC dancing just made my morning, fucking hilarious.
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LundiZ
Profile Joined December 2008
Sweden39 Posts
May 23 2011 14:08 GMT
#298
Excellent writeup. I wonder what the next theme will be.. sportcars, lingerie models?
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mordek
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States12704 Posts
May 23 2011 14:09 GMT
#299
The Squirtle section had me smiling throughout

Nice write up!
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Fionn
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States23455 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-23 15:50:18
May 23 2011 15:44 GMT
#300
My top 10 would be, at the moment:

1) NesTea
2) MC
3) MVP
4) MarineKing
5) Bomber
6) Nada
7) July
8) Losaira
9) MMA
10) Alicia

Top four have all proven themselves they can make a final. The top three are in a league of their own. All three hold two titles. NesTea is currently on a tear and just swept the last Code S, so he's first. MC would be 2nd because he might have faltered, but he never went down to Code A and has been wracking up victories outside Korea. MVP for 3rd; in Code A, but still would pick him over the people below him in a Best of 5.

MarineKing is a great player, but still hasn't been able to get over his nerves. He seems to choke whenever all the pressure is on him. Doesn't matter if it's a final or an ace match in the team league, he seems to just lose it and play differently than usual. Still would rank him there because he's shown consistently that he could win the tournament with stronger confidence.

Bomber could be #4, but hasn't done crap in Code S yet. He also has said to have nerves, a reason why it took him forever to appear in GSL, but he got in finally and STOMPED Code A. I think he might be the second best player currently in the world behind NesTea, but he still needs to prove himself in the spotlight. This is his coming out party. He could have a date with NesTea in the Ro32; which, in my mind, could mean the whole tournament.

Nada/July are the old guard. Nada always ends up in the Top 8. July was in the finals not too long ago and has the experience to make it very deep. Would not be shocked if either of these made it to the finals.

Losaira, MMA and Alicia are the new young guns of their respective races. Losaira and Alica showed last Code S that they both could be challenging for a title really soon, and MMA has proved in the GSTL that he has the talent to beat anyone in the world. It might be this season or a few from now, but I think these three could come and take the places of the current Big 3 (NesTea, MC, MVP) in the GSL scene.

Notables: SC. I was debating putting him in the 10th spot over Alicia, but I think Alica, in the Slayers house, has a better chance of improving alongside people like Boxer, MMA, Ryung, etc than SC who is stuck on a team that is currently on a down turn except for him. Still an incredible player who could very well make the final.

Great article by the way. Always wanted to do a big Power Rankings of the current GSL combatants, but never could decide past the top fifteen or so. Would love to see more!
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Gulzt
Profile Joined August 2009
Netherlands275 Posts
May 23 2011 15:49 GMT
#301
lol at the kyrix description :D
whatthefat
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States918 Posts
May 23 2011 16:28 GMT
#302
Very nice write up, although some of the ranks seem a little odd. I'd certainly rank MKP higher based on his consistency, and revolutionizing the way Terran is played. And while MMA is impressive, I cant see any of the other top 10 players performing as horribly as he did in the up/down matches (those games exposed some serious multi-tasking problems).
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Achaia
Profile Joined July 2010
United States643 Posts
May 23 2011 16:51 GMT
#303
Haha the Kyrix notes are awesome!
http://www.youtube.com/SCBattleGrounds
gozima
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada602 Posts
May 23 2011 18:01 GMT
#304
Is this article a precursor to a SC2 power rank?

I'd love to see a SC2 power rank by region. NA/EU/KR.

I realize this site was founded on BW, but it makes me sad that there isn't a SC2 power rank.
isospeedrix
Profile Joined November 2010
United States215 Posts
May 23 2011 18:14 GMT
#305
Squirtle and Kyrix writeup are the best.
http://www.youtube.com/isospeedrix
castled
Profile Joined March 2011
United States322 Posts
May 24 2011 00:58 GMT
#306
Whenever I see this post it makes me hungry.
andrewnguyener
Profile Joined March 2011
United States548 Posts
May 24 2011 01:49 GMT
#307
just bought a season pass! all set for this tournament
Shellshock
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States97276 Posts
May 24 2011 05:17 GMT
#308
Nom om om. Gotta get my season pass. This is gonna be epic! Calling it now. New GSL winner. None of the big 3 will win it. ST_Bomber manner CCs his way onto the podium.
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supersoft
Profile Joined April 2010
Germany3729 Posts
May 24 2011 09:38 GMT
#309
mkp is at least #3 terran in the world.
MVP is better and Bomber might be Better, but MMA or Nada aren't.
MKP was secondplace in WC recently, beating MC 3:2 in an epic comeback. what did MMA or Nada do to deserve this ranks?
EroSennin
Profile Joined January 2011
Australia1 Post
May 24 2011 11:37 GMT
#310
Good article, interesting to see the rationale behind the rankings.
shaman6ix
Profile Joined January 2011
Greece212 Posts
May 24 2011 12:21 GMT
#311
On May 24 2011 00:44 Fionn wrote:
My top 10 would be, at the moment:

1) NesTea
2) MC
3) MVP
4) MarineKing
5) Bomber
6) Nada
7) July
8) Losaira
9) MMA
10) Alicia



completely agree
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benothebeno
Profile Joined October 2009
United States24 Posts
May 24 2011 16:32 GMT
#312
I hope MKP doesn't become the next yellow ;_;
fishjie
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States1519 Posts
May 24 2011 20:02 GMT
#313
From the OP:


A special thanks to Jinro for being a special consultant on these rankings. We mostly ignored his advice. Including his suggestion that he be last place.


What? Last place? No way. You'll get over the slump Jinro, we believe in you!
pieman819
Profile Joined October 2010
Australia457 Posts
May 25 2011 01:03 GMT
#314
On May 24 2011 00:44 Fionn wrote:
My top 10 would be, at the moment:

1) NesTea
2) MC
3) MVP
4) MarineKing
5) Bomber
6) Nada
7) July
8) Losaira
9) MMA
10) Alicia

Top four have all proven themselves they can make a final. The top three are in a league of their own. All three hold two titles. NesTea is currently on a tear and just swept the last Code S, so he's first. MC would be 2nd because he might have faltered, but he never went down to Code A and has been wracking up victories outside Korea. MVP for 3rd; in Code A, but still would pick him over the people below him in a Best of 5.

MarineKing is a great player, but still hasn't been able to get over his nerves. He seems to choke whenever all the pressure is on him. Doesn't matter if it's a final or an ace match in the team league, he seems to just lose it and play differently than usual. Still would rank him there because he's shown consistently that he could win the tournament with stronger confidence.

Bomber could be #4, but hasn't done crap in Code S yet. He also has said to have nerves, a reason why it took him forever to appear in GSL, but he got in finally and STOMPED Code A. I think he might be the second best player currently in the world behind NesTea, but he still needs to prove himself in the spotlight. This is his coming out party. He could have a date with NesTea in the Ro32; which, in my mind, could mean the whole tournament.

Nada/July are the old guard. Nada always ends up in the Top 8. July was in the finals not too long ago and has the experience to make it very deep. Would not be shocked if either of these made it to the finals.

Losaira, MMA and Alicia are the new young guns of their respective races. Losaira and Alica showed last Code S that they both could be challenging for a title really soon, and MMA has proved in the GSTL that he has the talent to beat anyone in the world. It might be this season or a few from now, but I think these three could come and take the places of the current Big 3 (NesTea, MC, MVP) in the GSL scene.

Notables: SC. I was debating putting him in the 10th spot over Alicia, but I think Alica, in the Slayers house, has a better chance of improving alongside people like Boxer, MMA, Ryung, etc than SC who is stuck on a team that is currently on a down turn except for him. Still an incredible player who could very well make the final.

Great article by the way. Always wanted to do a big Power Rankings of the current GSL combatants, but never could decide past the top fifteen or so. Would love to see more!

I would still have sC over Alicia, probably higher than July, Losira and MMA aswell. What you say about the practice might come into play down the line but for current form sC should easily be top 10.
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dunc
Profile Joined November 2010
Netherlands1105 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-25 13:46:56
May 25 2011 13:45 GMT
#315
On May 24 2011 00:44 Fionn wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
My top 10 would be, at the moment:

1) NesTea
2) MC
3) MVP
4) MarineKing
5) Bomber
6) Nada
7) July
8) Losaira
9) MMA
10) Alicia

Top four have all proven themselves they can make a final. The top three are in a league of their own. All three hold two titles. NesTea is currently on a tear and just swept the last Code S, so he's first. MC would be 2nd because he might have faltered, but he never went down to Code A and has been wracking up victories outside Korea. MVP for 3rd; in Code A, but still would pick him over the people below him in a Best of 5.

MarineKing is a great player, but still hasn't been able to get over his nerves. He seems to choke whenever all the pressure is on him. Doesn't matter if it's a final or an ace match in the team league, he seems to just lose it and play differently than usual. Still would rank him there because he's shown consistently that he could win the tournament with stronger confidence.

Bomber could be #4, but hasn't done crap in Code S yet. He also has said to have nerves, a reason why it took him forever to appear in GSL, but he got in finally and STOMPED Code A. I think he might be the second best player currently in the world behind NesTea, but he still needs to prove himself in the spotlight. This is his coming out party. He could have a date with NesTea in the Ro32; which, in my mind, could mean the whole tournament.

Nada/July are the old guard. Nada always ends up in the Top 8. July was in the finals not too long ago and has the experience to make it very deep. Would not be shocked if either of these made it to the finals.

Losaira, MMA and Alicia are the new young guns of their respective races. Losaira and Alica showed last Code S that they both could be challenging for a title really soon, and MMA has proved in the GSTL that he has the talent to beat anyone in the world. It might be this season or a few from now, but I think these three could come and take the places of the current Big 3 (NesTea, MC, MVP) in the GSL scene.

Notables: SC. I was debating putting him in the 10th spot over Alicia, but I think Alica, in the Slayers house, has a better chance of improving alongside people like Boxer, MMA, Ryung, etc than SC who is stuck on a team that is currently on a down turn except for him. Still an incredible player who could very well make the final.

Great article by the way. Always wanted to do a big Power Rankings of the current GSL combatants, but never could decide past the top fifteen or so. Would love to see more!


This is pretty much spot on. Nada has been more consistent than Bomber but I don't really get the feeling of Nada dominating someone like I do with the other 3 Terrans in the top5. I'd place Losira on #9 and replace MMA with SC though!
57 Corvette
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Canada5941 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-25 14:18:32
May 25 2011 14:13 GMT
#316
Oh wow, so many pokemon Jokes in Squirtle's Paragraph.

Imo, I think HuK is still a little too high up.

HuK is a good player, there is no denying that, but his strategies are usually quite risky. I think he needs to get serious and get a lot of training in with long, standard strategys.

To me it seems like HuK is in Competitive SC2 for the fun, but if he really wants to get great tournament results, he need to be serious.
Survival is winning, everything else is bullshit.
Benjef
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United Kingdom6921 Posts
May 25 2011 18:15 GMT
#317
I highly dissagree with MVP being second. He ain't got anything on MC, MVP gets highly erratic results and his play lately has been fairly questionable at times.
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Itsmedudeman
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States19229 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-25 19:57:46
May 25 2011 19:54 GMT
#318
On May 26 2011 03:15 Benjef wrote:
I highly dissagree with MVP being second. He ain't got anything on MC, MVP gets highly erratic results and his play lately has been fairly questionable at times.

highly erratic like winning WC and placing 2nd in code A?

Nestea is good, but he actually had a very easy road besides sC

Inca has got to be the most undeserving finalist since Rain, and he BARELY beat Rain in a game where Rain 100% should have won

and Nada over marineking is a complete joke
SharkFighter
Profile Joined March 2011
United States12 Posts
May 26 2011 21:34 GMT
#319
Oh man, this article was great. Can't wait for the tournament!
Super rad.
fant0m
Profile Joined May 2010
964 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-27 08:34:55
May 27 2011 08:32 GMT
#320
Great article. Of course the individual numbers are going to change for everyone, but for the most part I think it was decent.

I definitely think there are some Bite-Sized and Ice Cream tier people that are mixed up though...

Moon is way, WAY better than his last official GSL appearance. I was heartbroken when he lost yesterday, he really could have done well, just couldn't quite get that ace match.
Boxer is improving every week. He's doing very well in NASL
Lyn had 1 bad group play and then ran into the worst Up/Down groupings in GSL history. He's not great, but I think he can still improve.
TheBest and Choya are much worse than where you have them.
TheWind is better than that.
Ensnare is barely better than Hyperdub. They're just like HongUn/anypro for me. Not even as good as the 2 of them though.
RainBOw is not that good. He's not terrible, but he's not "Ice Cream" tier.
Maka is not ice cream tier. At all.
Neither is Yugioh.
Leenock hasn't been good since he got tricked by LiveForever in the January Up/Downs. 3:30 minutes in. Even Tastetosis missed that the depot was purposely left down.
Squirtle, Ace, Min, Byun, GanZi, Zenio, HuK even San all possibly are in the right tier, but I would really like to see more from them in GSL singles leagues. I'm not sold that they've evened out where they will stay yet (some will drop, some may move higher).
colloidoscope
Profile Joined May 2011
United States15 Posts
May 27 2011 19:56 GMT
#321
now i'm hungry. =c(
Mulletarian
Profile Joined February 2011
Norway101 Posts
May 27 2011 20:08 GMT
#322
It's spelled "Just deserts" ..
Crt Balorda
Profile Joined April 2011
Slovenia16 Posts
May 27 2011 21:45 GMT
#323
the dominator that made his final oponents look like a bronze leuge newb? I dont think he is THAT good
DamenPulse
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States37 Posts
May 27 2011 22:44 GMT
#324
Good to see that nestea is still on top. Definitely deserves it 100%.

On another note:
Wonderful read here
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Glam
Profile Joined September 2010
United States325 Posts
May 28 2011 06:06 GMT
#325
"35. (P)SangHo
SangHo, like Genius and Maka, was really hyped for a long time. Popular opinion is that the hype was more the result of his personal friendship with Tastosis than his actual play. It’s possible that in the rush to call him overrated due to that hype, SangHo/Killer actually became underhyped. "


Underhyped....... right. His games against bomber were lopsided. The second game was brutal watching Bomber toy with him for like 20 mins while he made some pretty dumb decisions.
Tryxtira
Profile Joined November 2010
Sweden572 Posts
May 28 2011 09:08 GMT
#326
Such an awesome thread! Thanks!
thedeadhaji *
Profile Blog Joined January 2006
39489 Posts
May 28 2011 15:27 GMT
#327
lol sugar free tier.

Where's the "vegetable sticks" tier
ninjafetus
Profile Joined December 2008
United States231 Posts
May 28 2011 16:52 GMT
#328
On May 28 2011 05:08 Mulletarian wrote:
It's spelled "Just deserts" ..


Not in this context! Only delicious desserts here.
Antoine
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States7481 Posts
May 28 2011 20:47 GMT
#329
On May 28 2011 05:08 Mulletarian wrote:
It's spelled "Just deserts" ..

it's a pun
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57 Corvette
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Canada5941 Posts
June 01 2011 13:22 GMT
#330
On May 29 2011 00:27 thedeadhaji wrote:
lol sugar free tier.

Where's the "vegetable sticks" tier


65. BitbyBit

"He's bringin THE SCVS!"



Anyways, I am still cheering for NaDa, Losira and Alicia.

Nestea is really good, but I believe Losira is on the way to dethroning him
NaDa, well hes NaDa.
Alicia, The top protoss other than MC, and recently MC's attitude has really is dissatisfying..
Survival is winning, everything else is bullshit.
maryelizbethwinstead
Profile Joined April 2011
Mexico223 Posts
June 19 2011 05:31 GMT
#331
I hope these power dessert rankings get updated regularly!
Lord, teach me to be patient.
Partymake
Profile Joined August 2019
1 Post
August 15 2019 15:12 GMT
#332
I recently found a site where you can find a dessert for any occasion. I really liked the recipe that is on this page.

desserts for a party
I think you will like it too.

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