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[TSL] Ro16 Roundup

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[TSL] Ro16 Roundup

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February 8th, 2010 00:48 GMT
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On January 30th the PokerStrategy.com TSL kicked off with the round of 16. We had some really great matches, and this post rounds up all the results, interviews, and VODs for the round.

At stake this week was primarily the opportunity to move on to the round of 8. The losers this round received $250, and the winners are guaranteed a minimum of $500.

Don't miss next week's great games! The schedule for broadcasting will be posted at a later date.

The following games were played:

Player 1 Player 2LinkCasters
(T)(us)CJ_IdrA[Media]< Bo5 >(Z)(ca)ToT)XiaOzI(NewsTasteless & Artosis
(P)(pl)Draco< Bo5 >(Z)(tw)DuskBin.SenNewsTasteless & Artosis
(P)(us)Liquid`NonY< Bo5 >(T)(pl)iG.TarsonNewsDay[9] & Chill
(Z)(de)mouz.Kolll< Bo5 >(T)(pe)mouz.FenixNewsDay[9] & Chill
(P)(ua)mouz.White-Ra< Bo5 >(P)(ca)[Pan]KabaLNewsTasteless & Artosis
(P)(ca)mouz.IefNaij< Bo5 >(T)(mx)GosI[Terran]NewsTasteless & Artosis
(Z)(nl)LLL.ret< Bo5 >(Z)(pe)CaStrONewsDay[9] & Chill
(T)(ru)RoX.KIS.BRAT_OK< Bo5 >(Z)(de)ToT)Mondragon(NewsDay[9] & Chill





VODs

All PokerStrategy.com TSL VODs can be found here as both torrents and spoiler-free YouTube embeds.




Results & Next Week's Matches

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Ro16:
(T)(us)CJ_IdrA[Media]3 - 0(Z)(ca)ToT)XiaOzI(
(P)(pl)Draco0 - 3(Z)(tw)DuskBin.Sen
(P)(us)Liquid`NonY3 - 0(T)(pl)iG.Tarson
(Z)(de)mouz.Kolll1 - 3(T)(pe)mouz.Fenix
(P)(ua)mouz.White-Ra3 - 2(P)(ca)[Pan]KabaL
(P)(ca)mouz.IefNaij3 - 1(T)(mx)GosI[Terran]
(Z)(nl)LLL.ret3 - 1(Z)(pe)CaStrO
(T)(ru)RoX.KIS.BRAT_OK1 - 3(Z)(de)ToT)Mondragon(





Ro8

(P)(ca)mouz.IefNaij< Bo5 >(P)(ua)mouz.White-Ra
(T)(us)CJ_IdrA[Media]< Bo5 >(P)(us)Liquid`NonY
(Z)(tw)DuskBin.Sen< Bo5 >(Z)(nl)LLL.ret
(T)(pe)mouz.Fenix< Bo5 >(Z)(de)ToT)Mondragon(






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Interviews


You can find all interviews from TSL linked here

(P)(us)Liquid`NonY< Bo5 >(T)(pl)iG.TarsonIn VOD
(P)(ca)mouz.IefNaij< Bo5 >(T)(mx)GosI[Terran]Thread
(Z)(nl)LLL.ret< Bo5 >(Z)(pe)CaStrOIn VOD
(T)(ru)RoX.KIS.BRAT_OK< Bo5 >(Z)(de)ToT)Mondragon(Thread




This TSL is sponsored by PokerStrategy.com, the world's largest poker school and community. With hundreds of Poker VODs and an assortment of learning material in 18 different languages, PokerStrategy.com offers the chance for aspiring Poker players to learn from a beginner to a professional level.
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OpticalShot
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Canada6330 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-02-08 05:15:13
February 08 2010 00:50 GMT
#2
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IdrA vs NonY rematch Bo5!! Looking forward to it.


Sorry about sticking that in spoiler tag, but you posted asap before I posted my warning -Insane

edit: apologies~
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Insane
Profile Blog Joined November 2003
United States4991 Posts
February 08 2010 00:50 GMT
#3
<font size=5>Doubtless there will be spoilers in the comments, so watch out!!!</font>





















Monokeros
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
United States2493 Posts
February 08 2010 00:58 GMT
#4
Can't waiit for Ret vs Sen, ZvZ goodness
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tree.hugger
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Philadelphia, PA10406 Posts
February 08 2010 01:01 GMT
#5
Great games!
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FragKrag
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
United States11552 Posts
February 08 2010 01:02 GMT
#6
Some truly amazing games today

Ret vs Sen ~~

Don't know who to root for D:
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torm3ntin
Profile Joined October 2009
Brazil2534 Posts
February 08 2010 01:07 GMT
#7
idra X nony

ret X sen...

insane matches...

even fenix and mondy will be good and sorry RA and JF but i hate pvp
Grubby and Ret fan, but a TERRAN player :D
Arhkangel
Profile Joined August 2007
Argentina769 Posts
February 08 2010 01:11 GMT
#8
This was fast. Some crazy matchups coming up. Seriusly hard to find someone to root for :S The only match I have a clear favorite is Mondy (gotta love Mondi man) but ret is awsome but Sen is a beast. No way you can be an IdrA or NonY fanboy and RA and JF is just too epic.
Part Time Ninja
Highways
Profile Joined July 2005
Australia6103 Posts
February 08 2010 01:22 GMT
#9
Ret and Idra are in the same half?
#1 Terran hater
SoL[9]
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Portugal1370 Posts
February 08 2010 01:22 GMT
#10
Epic games
Now is just to hard to predict results.

Is just sad that White Ra or JF gonna get behind
I Can Fly...
Carnac
Profile Blog Joined December 2003
Germany / USA16648 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-02-08 01:25:10
February 08 2010 01:24 GMT
#11
On February 08 2010 10:22 Highways wrote:
Ret and Idra are in the same half?

no
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hyst.eric.al
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States2332 Posts
February 08 2010 01:29 GMT
#12
great games OTW :D

nony vs idra rematch!
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lavar
Profile Joined January 2010
Ukraine7 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-02-08 02:13:10
February 08 2010 02:11 GMT
#13
my health after ro16 is totally bad, so much emotions....so much beers....even dont know should i watch ro8.....
Ra
NoNy
Fenix
Sen
that's my predict
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Tom Phoenix
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
1114 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-02-08 02:14:07
February 08 2010 02:13 GMT
#14
Ok, time for some predictions:

(T)(us)CJ_IdrA[Media] vs. (P)(us)Liquid`NonY
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(T)(us)CJ_IdrA[Media]
Nony played very impressively in his recent series against IdrA. So in spite of his recent loss, he certainly has a chance of taking IdrA down and I will be rooting for him. But considering his only recent return to StarCraft and the fact that IdrA probably practiced TvP a lot in preparation for the MSL Preliminaries, I just do not see Nony being able to take an entire series from IdrA. However, their latest series did make IdrA look a lot less invincible then usually and I will gladly bite my tongue if Nony manages to take the series.

(Z)(tw)DuskBin.Sen vs. (Z)(nl)LLL.ret
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(Z)(nl)LLL.ret
This is actually going to be a really close series. Sen is a really good Zerg player, so ret should not get complacent about his ZvZ practice. Plus, his series with (Z)(pe)CaStrO showed that he still makes tiny mistakes that can cost you the game in such an intricate matchup such as ZvZ. So I would not be suprised if this went up to game 5.

That said, ret has an enormous momentum going, having won 4 ZvZ`s in his last Courage tournament and also playing nothing but ZvZ so far in the TSL and winning. Plus, in spite of losing one game, his series against Castro was a much less close affair compared to his series against Flaf and he was clearly the more solid player throughout it. If he can keep that up, I think Sen will bite the dust in the end.

(T)(pe)mouz.Fenix vs. (Z)(de)ToT)Mondragon(
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(Z)(de)ToT)Mondragon(
Fenix played really well against (Z)(de)Kolll, dismantling his 2-hatch Muta play and forcing Kolll out of his comfort zone. Overall, his superior experience showed and it earned him a well deserved victory.

However, Mondragon is an entirely different story. His defence is absolutely tenacious and he perfers more long-term play in spite of his somewhat lacking macromanagement. If (T)(ru)BRAT_OK could not beat him with fairly solid mechanics, then I do not see Fenix fairing much better.

(P)(ca)mouz.IefNaij vs. (P)(ua)mouz.White-Ra
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(P)(ua)mouz.White-Ra
Again, this is going to be a fairly close series and I would not be suprised if it also went up to Game 5. Plus, JF`s Reaver control is preety good and he has played really good PvP in the past (notably against (P)(pl)Draco in the Razer TSL finals). But like Nony, he faces the serious disadvantage of recently returning to StarCraft, while his opponent has been performing rather well. Plus, with his latest game being a PvP, he also has the momentum going for him.

As his series against Kabal showed, White-Ra is far from untouchable and JF has a good shot at winning. So predicting this is really difficult. But I think White-Ra`s better form will ultimately tip the scale.
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Kenpachi
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States9908 Posts
February 08 2010 03:07 GMT
#15
WHITE RA 3-1
IDRA 3-0
RET 3-2
MONDRAGON!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 3-0
Nada's body is South Korea's greatest weapon.
Musoeun
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States4324 Posts
February 08 2010 03:16 GMT
#16
How come ret keeps getting ZvZs? I find that incredibly amusing.
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Fame
Profile Joined February 2010
China1 Post
February 08 2010 03:32 GMT
#17
Lol good games !
None are as blind as those who do not wish to see.
barthos
Profile Joined September 2009
United States30 Posts
February 08 2010 03:39 GMT
#18
Lefnaij 3-2
Idra 3-0
Sen 3-1
Mondragon 3-0
don't make a liar out of me sen-.-
do make a liar out of me nony!
good at watching replays
Grobyc
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Canada18410 Posts
February 08 2010 03:43 GMT
#19
damn that was fast, thanks guys.

I think JF vs Terran and White_ra vs Kabal were the only ones I missed live. Time to check out the VODs
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Macavenger
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
United States1132 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-02-08 03:53:47
February 08 2010 03:52 GMT
#20
On February 08 2010 10:11 Arhkangel wrote:
This was fast. Some crazy matchups coming up. Seriusly hard to find someone to root for :S

No it's not, just root for NonY.

I think the Ro8 is going to have a lot of closer series than the Ro16.

White-Ra 3-2
NonY 3-2
Mondragon 3-1
Ret 3-2
Captain Peabody
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States3110 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-02-08 04:53:29
February 08 2010 04:53 GMT
#21
Absolutely can't wait for Idra versus Nony. Match of the tournament right there.
I'm really rooting for Nony to take it, but either way, it's gonna be awesome. Go Nony!

Other than that, Gosi[terran] has showed a lot of promise, so I hope he moves on as well. And I'll definitely be rooting for ret to take down his opponent. Ditto for Mondragon.

No predictions, though. It'll all be decided soon...

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SUSUGAM
Profile Joined November 2007
United States177 Posts
February 08 2010 05:11 GMT
#22
Tasteless is usually a great (IMO, the absolute best English commentator) commentator, but I've gotta say... this is some of the worst spectating/commentating I've seen. This entire TSL, you can see the minimap and regularly watch things like dropships failing, things being scouted, and other major events. The spectator misses it, and the commentators miss it. It makes the games look worse than they actually are. Hope I can get the replays so I can actually watch these games properly instead of just watching the minimap all game.

I don't know who is recording as spectator (I guess Carnac?), but it is not something you can half ass in a tournament this big. It really makes me appreciate how great the Korean spectators are. They so rarely miss anything major. They remember to watch the minimap, as it seems our TSL spectator isn't doing. Sorry if this is insulting, but come on. Is it too much to ask to have the screen move to where the giant blue minimap blob is going? To see the shuttle drop zealot bombs?

If nothing else, let us see what the commentators are seeing, so we don't have to listen to them talk about crap we can't even see. Game 3 of White-Ra vs TT1 is a brilliant example of this. The entire game is really poorly done. The spectator sees a shuttle with reavers die, the commentators miss it. The commentators are screaming at other moments, as the spectator sits the screen on nothing, and then whips around as though trying to find what's going on.

Half the time, the commentators are so busy going on in a monologue about some irrelevant nonsense. They seem too focused on talking to COMMENTATE THE GAME.

This reflects badly on the entire tournament. It would be nice to have the second half of this TSL be presented to the fans how it is meant to be presented. This tournament is great, but it's being tarnished with poor delivery.

I'm sorry if this is ignorant bullshit. I am merely a fan. This is what I've observed. I love watching starcraft. I've been deeply into the scene (as a fan) for years. If the commentators and spectator are doing all of this for free, then I can't blame anyone, and it's just too bad. But if they are being compensated somehow, I feel sorry for PokerStrategy.com for the return. Artosis is great at post-game analysis and his knowledge of the game is very good, but I think he rambles on too much during the games rather than delivering the game play to the viewer. (which Tasteless has always been great at) Tasteless will immediately stop what he's saying when the action starts. Artosis seems to have trouble doing this. It really seems like Nick is trying to just be polite and wait for Artosis to finish his monologues half the time.

Hopefully I won't get banned for speaking up. Wouldn't surprise me though. I'm just an ungrateful netizen douchebag anyway, I suppose.
bisufanboi049
Black Gun
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Germany4482 Posts
February 08 2010 05:17 GMT
#23
idra vs nony will be an epic series. and poor ret keeps getting zvzs
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DeathByMonkeys
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
United States742 Posts
February 08 2010 06:25 GMT
#24
Definitely looking forward to some high level terran play. Mirror's are... meh.

And man, ret, bro keep getting the zvz's. But the road to greatness is never easy.
b0ng
Profile Joined January 2008
Czech Republic82 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-02-08 07:13:04
February 08 2010 07:02 GMT
#25
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Ideas
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
United States8103 Posts
February 08 2010 07:16 GMT
#26
kinda funny how the opposing sides of the brackets are 3 Protoss and a terran vs 3 zerg and a terran.
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Ricjames
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
Czech Republic1047 Posts
February 08 2010 08:00 GMT
#27
I would rather see some PvZ than ZvZ and PvP. Can't wait for IdrA vs Nony match, i really hope Nony will do his best to take down IdrA and even that might not be enough. JF vs White Ra makes me sad, don't want one of them to go. Mondi really surprised me against Bratok with his control. When i saw Fenix vs Kolll: I was like damn Fenix you need to be agressive to beat zerg like kolll, force sunkens and deny third. (he did that and won). It is the same for Fenix vs Mondi. If Fenix plays agressive, he can take the series, but it will be even harder than against Kolll cause Mondi has so much experience compared to Kolll.
Brood War is the best RTS that has ever been created.
OhThatDang
Profile Joined August 2004
United States4685 Posts
February 08 2010 08:37 GMT
#28
i love upsets =D Nony FTW
troi oi thang map nai!!!
MadNeSs
Profile Joined March 2007
Denmark1507 Posts
February 08 2010 11:46 GMT
#29
I have a question.

Has no other progamer ever used that strategy of taking the bottom left expansion on destination? Seems pretty crazy if mondi has come up with something like that, but no other progamer has done?
Shikyo
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Finland33997 Posts
February 08 2010 11:59 GMT
#30
On February 08 2010 20:46 MadNeSs wrote:
I have a question.

Has no other progamer ever used that strategy of taking the bottom left expansion on destination? Seems pretty crazy if mondi has come up with something like that, but no other progamer has done?

jaedong vs firebathero

BTW, Chill and Day[9] are a LOT better duo than Tasteless + Artosis, at least here. Artosis is great but tasteless is quite bleh imo. Artosis + Chill might be nice, letting the brothers commentate together, but I think tasteless would somehow ruin Day[9]'s commentary, too.
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PredY
Profile Joined September 2009
Czech Republic1731 Posts
February 08 2010 12:08 GMT
#31
has the schedule been decided yet? sorry if it has been mentioned somewhere
http://www.twitch.tv/czelpredy
ondik
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Czech Republic2908 Posts
February 08 2010 12:59 GMT
#32
On February 08 2010 21:08 PredY wrote:
has the schedule been decided yet?


This. I hope the shedule will be PvP + TvZ one day and PvT + ZvZ the other day so we can see all three races each day.
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win8282
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Korea (South)454 Posts
February 08 2010 13:05 GMT
#33
So hyped for Ret v Sen. Lets see how badass Ret's ZvZ has truly become!
As for Nony v Idra, Nony will pown idra! Do it for Auir!
White-Ra vs JF is also another amazing match. A pvp between the two of the three best foreign protosses!
Chillz
Profile Joined May 2009
Canada100 Posts
February 08 2010 13:33 GMT
#34
@SUSUGAM

I agree with you on most of the things you said. However, it seems to me that Tasteless, who is usually quite good, has been much worse than normal throughout this TSL and particularly bad in this past weekend's matches.

It sounded to like Tasteless was uninterested, tired, and half hungover or drunk to me. He was screwing up a lot of the things he was saying and it felt like Artosis had to cover for him and wait for him to stop babbling before he could step in and try to save the commentary. I could count so many times that something big was going on and Tasteless was just rambling about something for several minutes and by the time it was Artosis' turn to speak the action was so far past that half of those times he didn't bother to point it out to save face for Tasteless. The other times he would quickly mention it and move on.

Of course I do understand that it was 4am-7am over there while they were commentating and that is partly valid excuse for sure. But I think if Tasteless is going to take this seriously he needs to plan his Saturday around this commentary and make sure he gets enough sleep during the day to make sure he can function properly and feign enthusiasm during the games even if he isn't interested and be more alert so he can catch more stuff on the mini map as it is happening.

In any case, I still don't think the commentary and observing was terrible or anything because I still totally enjoyed most of the matches. Hopefully this will be taken as constructive criticism if anyone reads it because I totally appreciate all the work you guys put into this for so little return!!
Shiro)Tenshi
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
China214 Posts
February 08 2010 14:59 GMT
#35
JF, Nony, Fenix and Sen for Ro4~!!!
MannerMan
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
371 Posts
February 08 2010 15:41 GMT
#36
I know it says the schedule will be released soon, but will all 4 games be played this weekend?
towel
Profile Joined October 2009
Sweden156 Posts
February 08 2010 16:54 GMT
#37
let the haters hate
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SUSUGAM
Profile Joined November 2007
United States177 Posts
February 08 2010 16:56 GMT
#38
On February 08 2010 22:33 Chillz wrote:
@SUSUGAM

I agree with you on most of the things you said. However, it seems to me that Tasteless, who is usually quite good, has been much worse than normal throughout this TSL and particularly bad in this past weekend's matches.


Yes, agreed. I didn't mean to single out Artosis as much as I did, but the overall commentary was just bad on that specific day, more than anything else. All the other days, even of these two guys were very good, considering their return. Maybe it's purely the time of day, who knows. I definitely have found Chill and Day's commentary better so far, when I expected the opposite to be true.

Both Artosis and Tasteless were both doing poorly, rambling on repeatedly and missing the action. For me personally, too much to enjoy the game. However, I can mute the commentary, but I can't take control of the spectator to see what is happening... which is a much bigger problem for the viewers.
bisufanboi049
Regna
Profile Joined February 2010
Turkey4 Posts
February 08 2010 17:01 GMT
#39
Replays???????? pls
all this pain is an illisuion
Liquid`Nazgul
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
22427 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-02-08 17:15:30
February 08 2010 17:07 GMT
#40
On February 08 2010 14:11 SUSUGAM wrote:
I'm sorry if this is ignorant bullshit. I am merely a fan. This is what I've observed. I love watching starcraft. I've been deeply into the scene (as a fan) for years. If the commentators and spectator are doing all of this for free, then I can't blame anyone, and it's just too bad. But if they are being compensated somehow, I feel sorry for PokerStrategy.com for the return. Artosis is great at post-game analysis and his knowledge of the game is very good, but I think he rambles on too much during the games rather than delivering the game play to the viewer. (which Tasteless has always been great at) Tasteless will immediately stop what he's saying when the action starts. Artosis seems to have trouble doing this. It really seems like Nick is trying to just be polite and wait for Artosis to finish his monologues half the time.

Hopefully I won't get banned for speaking up. Wouldn't surprise me though. I'm just an ungrateful netizen douchebag anyway, I suppose.

No need to feel sorry for PokerStrategy.com what TSL delivers goes far beyond expectation of what they thought we would deliver or be capable of. They have a far more realistic understanding of what we should be delivering compared to the one you seem to be portraying. Which is one that compares us to organizations with studios, 10 years of experience and budgets that go far into the millions.

That said your complaints are totally legit. Not the weight you put on them but they are accurate. It feels to me you are largely focused on last Saturdays cast which had the unfortunate event of intrigue our scheduled observer losing power in his building which cause us to at the last minute rely on Carnac who was the stand-in for Saturday, scheduled to cast Sunday himself. Our observer is an extension of the directors due to the 15s delay in the stream that we have to work with due to not having a studio. Needless to say an observer jumping in unprepared for the games will hurt the quality. He will not have seen the games before and has to stress around talking to the directors about what needs to be done next. It is something we very much would like to avoid as well. Would you mind watching Sundays cast and tell us if you feel it was better than the one you're describing.

At all times we are trying to improve. We see the same things as all of you and trust me we work our asses off to fix anything we're unsatisfied with. From here on I think you will be pleasantly surprised, as you might already be once you watch yesterdays cast. Here's a screenshot from how our observer works. It includes his SC screen, ventrilo, IRC, the art and the streaming. As you can see we need to be very prepared for a cast to make it work.

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SUSUGAM
Profile Joined November 2007
United States177 Posts
February 08 2010 18:18 GMT
#41
On February 09 2010 02:07 Liquid`Nazgul wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
On February 08 2010 14:11 SUSUGAM wrote:
I'm sorry if this is ignorant bullshit. I am merely a fan. This is what I've observed. I love watching starcraft. I've been deeply into the scene (as a fan) for years. If the commentators and spectator are doing all of this for free, then I can't blame anyone, and it's just too bad. But if they are being compensated somehow, I feel sorry for PokerStrategy.com for the return. Artosis is great at post-game analysis and his knowledge of the game is very good, but I think he rambles on too much during the games rather than delivering the game play to the viewer. (which Tasteless has always been great at) Tasteless will immediately stop what he's saying when the action starts. Artosis seems to have trouble doing this. It really seems like Nick is trying to just be polite and wait for Artosis to finish his monologues half the time.

Hopefully I won't get banned for speaking up. Wouldn't surprise me though. I'm just an ungrateful netizen douchebag anyway, I suppose.

No need to feel sorry for PokerStrategy.com what TSL delivers goes far beyond expectation of what they thought we would deliver or be capable of. They have a far more realistic understanding of what we should be delivering compared to the one you seem to be portraying. Which is one that compares us to organizations with studios, 10 years of experience and budgets that go far into the millions.

That said your complaints are totally legit. Not the weight you put on them but they are accurate. It feels to me you are largely focused on last Saturdays cast which had the unfortunate event of intrigue our scheduled observer losing power in his building which cause us to at the last minute rely on Carnac who was the stand-in for Saturday, scheduled to cast Sunday himself. Our observer is an extension of the directors due to the 15s delay in the stream that we have to work with due to not having a studio. Needless to say an observer jumping in unprepared for the games will hurt the quality. He will not have seen the games before and has to stress around talking to the directors about what needs to be done next. It is something we very much would like to avoid as well. Would you mind watching Sundays cast and tell us if you feel it was better than the one you're describing.

At all times we are trying to improve. We see the same things as all of you and trust me we work our asses off to fix anything we're unsatisfied with. From here on I think you will be pleasantly surprised, as you might already be once you watch yesterdays cast. Here's a screenshot from how our observer works. It includes his SC screen, ventrilo, IRC, the art and the streaming. As you can see we need to be very prepared for a cast to make it work.

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Honestly, your reply alone is extremely reassuring. I only just finished watching Ret vs Castro, and not only were the games utterly amazing (and I hate ZvZ) but the delivery was spot on.

My complaints before were more about that specific day than anything. I know Korean SC has the experience and money to be beyond professional (except MBC of course) and I assure you that I wasn't demanding that level of display. TSL1 was great, and this TSL has been better, absolutely. In every way. It would be hard to argue otherwise. At least there was a reasonable explanation for the one day of serious problems. It's good to see how much you, and many others, actually CARE about putting out the best possible display of the game. That's all the fans want. It's no different for any other sport. Starcraft doesn't have a ball for the camera to follow around, so there is a massive responsibility in the observer's hands. It's easy to take them for granted.

Missing a key play now and then is understandable, but Saturday was just baffling prior to your explanation. I didn't mean to come off as bratty as I did, but it was mostly just an impulsive response after I got done watching the games.

Hopefully everything continues as it was meant to be, and we get to enjoy more quality foreign Starcraft. Keep up the brilliant work, it is greatly appreciated.

Thanks again for the reply, Nazgul.
bisufanboi049
HopLight
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Sweden999 Posts
February 08 2010 18:20 GMT
#42
Nice!!! This means that there is no longer a possibility of a mirror finals.
Regna
Profile Joined February 2010
Turkey4 Posts
February 08 2010 18:27 GMT
#43
Can anyone give info when replays gonna be released? i hate watching vods. Actually i wanna follow up build orders easily ...
all this pain is an illisuion
Kennigit *
Profile Blog Joined October 2006
Canada19447 Posts
February 08 2010 18:30 GMT
#44
On February 09 2010 03:27 Regna wrote:
Can anyone give info when replays gonna be released? i hate watching vods. Actually i wanna follow up build orders easily ...

We do not release replays of the Round of 16. You can find a lot of replays of ladder games in the TSL forum.
Regna
Profile Joined February 2010
Turkey4 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-02-08 18:36:31
February 08 2010 18:35 GMT
#45
Reason ?? -.- many ppls are looking forward for replays .. and u not gonna release the reps ??? its not funny
all this pain is an illisuion
aqui
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Germany1023 Posts
February 08 2010 19:16 GMT
#46
On February 09 2010 03:35 Regna wrote:
Reason ?? -.- many ppls are looking forward for replays .. and u not gonna release the reps ??? its not funny

feel free to sponsor the next tsl and you will get replays i guess.
kernl
Profile Joined October 2008
84 Posts
February 08 2010 19:26 GMT
#47
Sen will completely and utterly rape ret. And don't you dare call it an upset.
Mondi will win, too. Not a walk in the park, but kind of convincingly I guess.
Ra vs JF is totally 50/50, I'll go with ra.
Idra, even though I hate Nony less. But this is the one matchup where I feel an upset is possible.
desu
goswser
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States3546 Posts
February 08 2010 20:17 GMT
#48
sen has a very good chance at going to finals oo.
say you were born into a jungle indian tribe where food was scarce...would you run around from teepee to teepee stealing meat scraps after a day lazying around doing nothing except warming urself by a fire that you didn't even make yourself? -rekrul
NonY
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
8748 Posts
February 08 2010 20:56 GMT
#49
On February 09 2010 04:26 kernl wrote:
Sen will completely and utterly rape ret. And don't you dare call it an upset.
Mondi will win, too. Not a walk in the park, but kind of convincingly I guess.
Ra vs JF is totally 50/50, I'll go with ra.
Idra, even though I hate Nony less. But this is the one matchup where I feel an upset is possible.

Finally someone with the sense to see that IdrA winning would be the upset, not the other way around. Though if I'm feeling particularly humble, I might say an upset isn't possible because we are evenly matched.
"Fucking up is part of it. If you can't fail, you have to always win. And I don't think you can always win." Elliott Smith ---------- Yet no sudden rage darkened his face, and his eyes were calm as they studied her. Then he smiled. 'Witness.'
SayaSP
Profile Blog Joined February 2007
Laos5494 Posts
February 08 2010 21:11 GMT
#50
On February 09 2010 05:56 Liquid`NonY wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 09 2010 04:26 kernl wrote:
Sen will completely and utterly rape ret. And don't you dare call it an upset.
Mondi will win, too. Not a walk in the park, but kind of convincingly I guess.
Ra vs JF is totally 50/50, I'll go with ra.
Idra, even though I hate Nony less. But this is the one matchup where I feel an upset is possible.

Finally someone with the sense to see that IdrA winning would be the upset, not the other way around. Though if I'm feeling particularly humble, I might say an upset isn't possible because we are evenly matched.

O yea babe
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Kennigit *
Profile Blog Joined October 2006
Canada19447 Posts
February 08 2010 21:53 GMT
#51
On February 09 2010 03:35 Regna wrote:
Reason ?? -.- many ppls are looking forward for replays .. and u not gonna release the reps ??? its not funny

The reason is that sponsorship relies on people seeing the logo. While watching the game and hearing sponsor plugs during the cast. We are also trying to develop TSL as a product. Releasing Ro16+ replays detracts from both of these goals.
_Grazze_
Profile Blog Joined December 2006
834 Posts
February 08 2010 22:31 GMT
#52
White-Ra 3-1
NonY 2-3
Mondragon 1-3
Ret 2-3

I want Nony, Ret and Mondragon to win though, along with White-Ra ofc!
kernl
Profile Joined October 2008
84 Posts
February 08 2010 22:58 GMT
#53
On February 09 2010 05:56 Liquid`NonY wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 09 2010 04:26 kernl wrote:
Sen will completely and utterly rape ret. And don't you dare call it an upset.
Mondi will win, too. Not a walk in the park, but kind of convincingly I guess.
Ra vs JF is totally 50/50, I'll go with ra.
Idra, even though I hate Nony less. But this is the one matchup where I feel an upset is possible.

Finally someone with the sense to see that IdrA winning would be the upset, not the other way around. Though if I'm feeling particularly humble, I might say an upset isn't possible because we are evenly matched.


No, I think Idra losing would be the upset.

But that's no reason not to feel flattered by my post.
desu
Simple
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
United States801 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-02-08 23:37:52
February 08 2010 23:33 GMT
#54
wow, awesome matchups, even a idra-nony rematch

edit:
On February 09 2010 03:35 Regna wrote:
Reason ?? -.- many ppls are looking forward for replays .. and u not gonna release the reps ??? its not funny

youre missing the point. TSL is supposed to be an experience. watching top foreigners duke it out. listening to the casts with hundreds of others around the world. to reduce that experience to simply downloading a small replay file would be an insult to TSL
iloveHieu
Profile Joined November 2007
United States1919 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-02-09 00:22:37
February 09 2010 00:19 GMT
#55
Looks like Ret won't get a break from ZvZ till the finals..

GO NONY!

edit: Nony if you start winning more in face to face match with Idra, he'll be considered the underdog!
Xellos <3
synapse
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
China13814 Posts
February 09 2010 02:34 GMT
#56
nony 3-2
sen 3-2
JF 3-1
mondragon 3-0

:DDD
:)
Pure.Freedom
Profile Joined January 2010
United States114 Posts
February 09 2010 04:38 GMT
#57
Fenix goes from playing a young, inexperienced zerg (though a very talented one) to a zerg who has been around forever and perhaps has more experience than anybody in this tourny... curious to see if that changes his play style at all

Im the most excited for NonY vs IdrA who, by the way, both have the first and last letters in their names capitalized... and thats your random nugget of the day

Ret vs Sen should be good as well... can Ret keep improving on his ZvZ? Seems like the difference between Ret vs flaf and the post-courage ZvZ play has been noticeable
What you need to do is be thankful for the life you got, you know what im sayin? ... stop lookin at what you ain't got ... start bein thankful for what you do got.
Robinsa
Profile Joined May 2009
Japan1333 Posts
February 09 2010 09:51 GMT
#58
Can't wait for these matches! Especially the Idra - Noony match!

Rets zvz curse is still going strong it seems. I thought it would go away when he went home from korea...
4649!!
Cholli
Profile Joined February 2010
Germany8 Posts
February 09 2010 15:48 GMT
#59
White-Ra 3-2
IdrA 3-1
Mondragon 3-1
Sen 3-1

Finals hopefully Mondragon vs IdrA
Armathai
Profile Joined October 2007
1023 Posts
February 09 2010 16:04 GMT
#60
Ahh JF vs Ra is killing me :X , I want both of them to win!

Anyway, NONY you better kick Idra's ass!
I expect 3-0, no less!!!

In fenix vs mondi I'm rooting for Mondi but I think it will be a very close series, hopefully 3-2 for Mondi :D

Sen vs Ret is hard to say, but Sen really impressed me in the Draco games so despite being a usual Ret fan I'm going with Sen on this one!


GOGO TSL!
Looking for ArcticCerebrate formerly from @USEast
geetarzero
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States217 Posts
February 10 2010 09:21 GMT
#61
On February 08 2010 10:11 Arhkangel wrote:
This was fast. Some crazy matchups coming up. Seriusly hard to find someone to root for :S The only match I have a clear favorite is Mondy (gotta love Mondi man) but ret is awsome but Sen is a beast. No way you can be an IdrA or NonY fanboy and RA and JF is just too epic.


Lies. Everyone of us BM Americans are Idra fanboys.
sKyHigh? him? don't worry about it. (–_–)
PhoenixM1
Profile Joined January 2010
United States178 Posts
February 10 2010 10:12 GMT
#62
Easy one to call.

Idra 3-1
White-Ra 3-2
Fenix 3-1
Ret 3-0

Fenix is going to go on to win the whole series though in a 3-0 rape over Idra. I called it, now if it happens i'll be semi-famous as that one lunatic who thought it could.
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