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[TSL] Idra vs Nony Results and Interview - Page 4

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Wr3k
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Canada2533 Posts
January 09 2010 22:45 GMT
#61
Why the hell does Idra still have a bad attitude?
machinehead..
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
412 Posts
January 09 2010 22:45 GMT
#62
I have yet to see a legit 12 nexus win.... Good interview and well deserved wins.
Grobyc
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Canada18410 Posts
January 09 2010 22:46 GMT
#63
Before the next game began, IdrA asked NonY: did he feel guilty about playing like that on Andromeda? NonY merely expressed his love of the map, and next game was on!

*sigh*
If you watch Godzilla backwards it's about a benevolent lizard who helps rebuild a city and then moonwalks into the ocean.
7mk
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Germany10157 Posts
January 09 2010 22:59 GMT
#64
On January 10 2010 06:18 intrigue wrote:
another reason why cj is awesome.

beep boop
Wr3k
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Canada2533 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-01-09 23:04:22
January 09 2010 22:59 GMT
#65
On January 10 2010 07:45 machinehead.. wrote:
I have yet to see a legit 12 nexus win.... Good interview and well deserved wins.


While 12 nexus may be difficult to counter, you don't see Jaedong or Flash saying that their opponents "abused" x, y, or z to win. They don't make excuses, all is fair within the rules of the game, and whether or not the best player won, they don't bitch about it. It just doesn't make any sense to me why Idra always comes off as someone with a bad attitude, if he expects to make it as a pro he should consider his image (and keep the comments private, whether they are serious or not). It would increase the respect he gets from the community and other players.
NonY
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
8751 Posts
January 09 2010 23:00 GMT
#66
congrats to idra. i think him and i are one of the only pairs of trash talking people with which you can be sure it's all good-natured :D although his anger at 12nex and andro are probably sincere haha

without making any excuses, allow me to publish my recent schedule:
fall semester finals dec 8-12
travel home, visit family dec 13-17
wedding-related activities dec 18-20
honeymoon in hawaii dec 21-31
oh shit i have to play idra jan 1-7
play idra jan 8

i'll be playing better for Q3, and even better for the TSL
"Fucking up is part of it. If you can't fail, you have to always win. And I don't think you can always win." Elliott Smith ---------- Yet no sudden rage darkened his face, and his eyes were calm as they studied her. Then he smiled. 'Witness.'
danbel1005
Profile Joined February 2008
United States1319 Posts
January 09 2010 23:10 GMT
#67
"I timing pushed and killed his expo and a bunch of probes and won every battle, but then he made some units that kill everything and I lost."

LMAO
"EE HAN TIMING" Jaedong vs Stork [22 December, 2007] 2set @ Finals EVER OSL.
Saturnize
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United States2473 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-01-09 23:32:47
January 09 2010 23:10 GMT
#68
I really don't like Idra at all, i used to think he was a good respectful player who lost his temper at times and i thought that was funny, now it seems as though every strategy that is to his disadvantage is a "freewin". If it wearn't for that scv transfer during game 4 Idra would have lost to Nony 3-2....

I wish Idra would lose the last game in a Bo5 to cheese, i would really like to see those fireworks fly.
"Time to put the mustard on the hotdog. -_-"
danbel1005
Profile Joined February 2008
United States1319 Posts
January 09 2010 23:11 GMT
#69
On January 10 2010 07:45 Wr3k wrote:
Why the hell does Idra still have a bad attitude?


cuz hes adopted
"EE HAN TIMING" Jaedong vs Stork [22 December, 2007] 2set @ Finals EVER OSL.
love1another
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States1844 Posts
January 09 2010 23:19 GMT
#70
On January 10 2010 08:11 danbel1005 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 10 2010 07:45 Wr3k wrote:
Why the hell does Idra still have a bad attitude?


cuz hes adopted

lmfao
"I'm learning more and more that TL isn't the place to go for advice outside of anything you need in college. It's like you guys just make up your own fantasy world shit and post it as if you've done it." - Chill
machinehead..
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
412 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-01-09 23:22:16
January 09 2010 23:20 GMT
#71
On January 10 2010 07:59 Wr3k wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 10 2010 07:45 machinehead.. wrote:
I have yet to see a legit 12 nexus win.... Good interview and well deserved wins.


While 12 nexus may be difficult to counter, you don't see Jaedong or Flash saying that their opponents "abused" x, y, or z to win. They don't make excuses, all is fair within the rules of the game, and whether or not the best player won, they don't bitch about it. It just doesn't make any sense to me why Idra always comes off as someone with a bad attitude, if he expects to make it as a pro he should consider his image (and keep the comments private, whether they are serious or not). It would increase the respect he gets from the community and other players.


It was also kinda a light-hearted comment on my part as inherently terran players hate 12 nexus. But in honesty, if someone goes 12 nexus versus you and you didn't 8 rax, and you both play at the same level till the game is over -- the terran will lose. So when you are analyzing a loss, it's hard to give much credit if you feel you played better but they simply had the better build and rode out their eco advantage. It's not like Idra called Nony a bad player (nony is really good and he acknowledges that). I would rather have a progamer be honest about how he felt, than give some sugar coated answers. What's the point of even asking someone about their thoughts if you get mad if they tell you how they feel?
icydergosu
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
528 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-01-09 23:23:58
January 09 2010 23:22 GMT
#72
Great series of games, brilliant coverage. I hope they will meet again.
I am the Punishment of God. If you had not commited great sins, god would not have sent a punishment like me upon you.
Rufio
Profile Joined December 2009
241 Posts
January 09 2010 23:30 GMT
#73
Loved the commentary! Nice interview too.
"Rufio Rufio Ru Fi OOOooo" - The Lost Boys
Wr3k
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Canada2533 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-01-09 23:50:47
January 09 2010 23:33 GMT
#74
On January 10 2010 08:20 machinehead.. wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 10 2010 07:59 Wr3k wrote:
On January 10 2010 07:45 machinehead.. wrote:
I have yet to see a legit 12 nexus win.... Good interview and well deserved wins.


While 12 nexus may be difficult to counter, you don't see Jaedong or Flash saying that their opponents "abused" x, y, or z to win. They don't make excuses, all is fair within the rules of the game, and whether or not the best player won, they don't bitch about it. It just doesn't make any sense to me why Idra always comes off as someone with a bad attitude, if he expects to make it as a pro he should consider his image (and keep the comments private, whether they are serious or not). It would increase the respect he gets from the community and other players.


It was also kinda a light-hearted comment on my part as inherently terran players hate 12 nexus. But in honesty, if someone goes 12 nexus versus you and you didn't 8 rax, and you both play at the same level till the game is over -- the terran will lose. So when you are analyzing a loss, it's hard to give much credit if you feel you played better but they simply had the better build and rode out their eco advantage. It's not like Idra called Nony a bad player (nony is really good and he acknowledges that). I would rather have a progamer be honest about how he felt, than give some sugar coated answers. What's the point of even asking someone about their thoughts if you get mad if they tell you how they feel?


Its just a matter of wording things in a way that doesn't make you come off like a poor-sport. This is how I would have answered the questions:


IdrA[Media]:
Pretty good, I expected to win but he was playing pretty abusive strategies so I got a little nervous a few times throughout the series.


Pretty good, I was confident going into these games, but Nony was doing everything he could to gain an advantage in this matchup, and definitely made me nervous a few times during the series.


IdrA[Media]:
Second game he chose to take a freewin by going double nexus on andro. Got diagonal positions to make it even sillier. I timing pushed and killed his expo and a bunch of probes and won every battle, but then he made some units that kill everything and I lost. Critical moment there was him building his nexus. Very well done by him.


The second game was very challenging for me due to the map and cross position spawns. This allowed Nony to safely 12 nexus, giving him an early advantage. My timing push was effective, and I felt that I was playing very well, winning most of the battles; however, I lost the bulk of my force due to a strong break and effective psi storms, and could not recover.



IdrA[Media]:
I expected him to play really abusive econ builds, the way he did on outsider and andro. I think cheesy allins would have given him a better chance but thats never really been his style so while I was aware of them I didn't really think he'd use them.


I expected him to take advantage of the map layout and use strong economic builds the way he did on outside and ando. I think some more risky all in attacks could have succeeded against me, but knowing his style I did not anticipate him doing so.

See... its not very hard to make yourself not sound like a whiner. (Even if he was trying to be funny, I'm really not a fan of his attitude).
Thegilaboy
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States2018 Posts
January 09 2010 23:34 GMT
#75
On January 10 2010 08:00 Liquid`NonY wrote:
congrats to idra. i think him and i are one of the only pairs of trash talking people with which you can be sure it's all good-natured :D although his anger at 12nex and andro are probably sincere haha

without making any excuses, allow me to publish my recent schedule:
fall semester finals dec 8-12
travel home, visit family dec 13-17
wedding-related activities dec 18-20
honeymoon in hawaii dec 21-31
oh shit i have to play idra jan 1-7
play idra jan 8

i'll be playing better for Q3, and even better for the TSL


Congrats are in order for you then too considering all of this! Thanks for the very entertaining games NonY
machinehead..
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
412 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-01-09 23:37:42
January 09 2010 23:36 GMT
#76
On January 10 2010 08:33 Wr3k wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 10 2010 08:20 machinehead.. wrote:
On January 10 2010 07:59 Wr3k wrote:
On January 10 2010 07:45 machinehead.. wrote:
I have yet to see a legit 12 nexus win.... Good interview and well deserved wins.


While 12 nexus may be difficult to counter, you don't see Jaedong or Flash saying that their opponents "abused" x, y, or z to win. They don't make excuses, all is fair within the rules of the game, and whether or not the best player won, they don't bitch about it. It just doesn't make any sense to me why Idra always comes off as someone with a bad attitude, if he expects to make it as a pro he should consider his image (and keep the comments private, whether they are serious or not). It would increase the respect he gets from the community and other players.


It was also kinda a light-hearted comment on my part as inherently terran players hate 12 nexus. But in honesty, if someone goes 12 nexus versus you and you didn't 8 rax, and you both play at the same level till the game is over -- the terran will lose. So when you are analyzing a loss, it's hard to give much credit if you feel you played better but they simply had the better build and rode out their eco advantage. It's not like Idra called Nony a bad player (nony is really good and he acknowledges that). I would rather have a progamer be honest about how he felt, than give some sugar coated answers. What's the point of even asking someone about their thoughts if you get mad if they tell you how they feel?


If he replaced phrases like "he abused X" with "he did this, and it was difficult for me to y" it would make him look much more respectable and level headed.


If he ever makes proleague and gets an interview, I would tend to agree with you on that one. There is a balance to achieve in being professional but also being candid. But, really this isn't a professional event, and unless his team finds a problem in it, I wouldn't make a big deal about it.
OpticalShot
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Canada6330 Posts
January 09 2010 23:37 GMT
#77
I expected a "good talent toi have" comment somewhere in the games, was disappointed that there wasn't one.
[TLMS] REBOOT
Macavenger
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
United States1132 Posts
January 09 2010 23:38 GMT
#78
On January 10 2010 08:00 Liquid`NonY wrote:
congrats to idra. i think him and i are one of the only pairs of trash talking people with which you can be sure it's all good-natured :D although his anger at 12nex and andro are probably sincere haha

without making any excuses, allow me to publish my recent schedule:
fall semester finals dec 8-12
travel home, visit family dec 13-17
wedding-related activities dec 18-20
honeymoon in hawaii dec 21-31
oh shit i have to play idra jan 1-7
play idra jan 8

i'll be playing better for Q3, and even better for the TSL

Nice

Congrats on the wedding Nony, and thanks for the great series today. Didn't play up to my hopes, but well beyond my expectations. Good luck in Q3, and looking forward to your games in the rest of the TSL.
boesthius
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States11637 Posts
January 09 2010 23:39 GMT
#79
--- Nuked ---
ccou
Profile Joined December 2008
United States681 Posts
January 09 2010 23:39 GMT
#80
O man, I can't believe I forgot about this. I think I was doing laundry or something as retarded. I'll have to watch the vods.

-Oberon
Wake up Mr. B!
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