I'm sure there's been a mafia game somewhere where a mafioso ending one of his posts with "Pow Pow Pow!" or something you may have done. I somehow doubt it's characteristic of a mafioso to have a suspect list that they update regularly.

LucasWoJ

United States936 Posts

May 18 2009 00:55 GMT

#508

EBWOP: Whoops, I completely misread the quote underneath it. I could have sworn you mentioned the guy you were referring to was a mafioso...my bad.

LucasWoJ

United States936 Posts

May 18 2009 01:01 GMT

#512

On May 18 2009 09:57 Incognito wrote:
Why has Ver disappeared all of a sudden...?

I don't think he left/disappeared. I'm assuming he's typing up a response to Ace + some other posts, a reply that's probably lengthy.

LucasWoJ

United States936 Posts

May 18 2009 02:44 GMT

#541

On May 18 2009 11:29 Tricode wrote:
Mynock, i was curious, why not keep him alive? (For now he maybe the best choice but if we find a better choice to lynch then move onto them.)

We can just ignore him and if he is a dt we can try to use his r/c asap.

And if Mafia kill him, meh he is going to die anyway right?

Hmm, i know there is negative things about doing this, but i am just throwing it out there as just a thought.

Thought you were watching a redskins game with family or something. Or is that over?

LucasWoJ

United States936 Posts

May 18 2009 21:55 GMT

#677

On May 19 2009 06:31 Ace wrote:

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Trust me when I say I pay far more attention to everyone's posts than you people realize.

^_^

Perhaps because you yourself tell us that you skip any post that does not include your name in it. Not hard to beat those assumptions. You could skim or even glance at your posts and you'd topple the expectations you set for yourself.

^_^

LucasWoJ

United States936 Posts

May 18 2009 22:56 GMT

#693

On May 18 2009 09:10 Ace wrote:
I'd tl:dr your post Ver, but I just masturbated and got a sudden burst of energy.

I'll also only address the part of your post directly with my name in it, since if a post doesn't include my name I skip it.

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Ace is taking this too far. He had his rope. He had his opportunity to go appear innocent. And he hung himself on it. It is not in the town's interests to lynch Nemy. Because here's the thing, we don't want to lynch the traitor. The traitor has no ACTUAL power. The traitor's only power is influence and words. He can cause mass chaos. But if we know who the traitor is, he is POWERLESS. Nemy is not mafia unless he is a sacrifice. That means we have no reason to lynch him! Yet Ace is going all out trying to get this.

Look at this from a behavior standpoint: Mafia are the ones who are this aggressive. See RoL and Attackzerg trying to get Ace lyched/discredited in BC's first game. Now for a direct comparison: remember when Ace defended mikeymoo in Caller's game (Ace was innocent so was Mikeymoo)? He was voracious in defending mikeymoo, but he was not voracious in lynching BC even though BC was full of BS. Yes he wanted BC lynched but he didn't go crazy like he is now. Because that's a sure sign of mafia behavior: being overaggressive to get a lynch.

In case anyone wants to relate to the Folca/Ace scenario, that is a completely different thing. Because then Folca roleclaimed with a specific intent to prove something, i,e that Ace was mafia. Thus in that circumstance Ace's logic train is true and the correct choice of action (and he would've done it if he was townie I'm sure). Because if you lynch the accuser you know everything about the accused role. However, now here Nemy just plain roleclaimed. WHY ON EARTH WOULD WE LYNCH HIM? WE GET NO BENEFIT. NOTHING.

Under the present circumstances there is NO reason to lynch Nemy.

Ace you screwed up. This is not Savior sense. This is not to the benefit of the town.

And you people who agree with his logic (mikeymoo, bockit), you guys better think through exactly what he's recommending. Game 3 and now are COMPLETELY DIFFERENT.

Furthermore, the Ace voting train, you guys are all suspect. You people are clearly trying to push him into mayor over me. Not gonna happen. I'll dissect through suspects in a bit.

Sorry - but this is where you fucked up. I've said it plenty of times, I'm aggressive because it's how I feel like being. Whether I'm townie or Mafia I play with a free conscience because I honestly don't think anybody can read anything I do and you've just proven my point. You can also ask Mr.BabyHands - I've played an aggressive townie style before. It's not a Mafia trait at all.

Now onto your analysis of nemy. You've failed to point out something significant: The difference between this game and the game with BC was that I pointed out that BC might be the Village Idiot hence we don't even care what happens to him. The real danger is lynching mikeymoo because we have no information about him based on what BC did. This scenario is different as there is no one being accused - this is just a role claim at a bad time.

What also makes this different is that unlike when Empyrean claimed DT on Day 1, nemy lied. In Mafia 2 I had no reason to lynch Empyrean as soon as I got Mayor because empyrean only claimed to be a DT and didn't say anything about having a way to prove it. So we just let him be.

nemy got caught in a lie. Badly. See the difference? If nemy was a DT that just played his hand wrong we could surely just say ok buddy, no office for you and keep things hush after that. He lied on got caught and that changes everything as an innocent doesn't have to lie to the town on information that would help us greatly. Hell, he STILL hasn't even given it to us and when asked he tried to be cool like me - but failed.

Also if nemy is a traitor - of course we lynch him. Do we have a better suspect? I don't think so. If he's a traitor that means he isn't working for the town which means he should die. Simple, really.

See how all these scenarios are different? Nothing anyone says can explain why nemy lied. Nothing. So he gets the lynch. As for my vote train - meh. Whats so suspect about it? People know a good candidate when they see one.

As for me being buddy/buddy with Mynock - what's the problem? I've supported him in every game I've played and there's no secret about it. I don't even have any clue what his role could possibly be but I've said this so many times - there isn't any reliable way to find out anybody's role right now so I base my votes off of ABILITY. Since I believe Mynock is one of the best candidates I voted for him. go ahead and try to analyze that, you'll end up like Versatile and we see how her logic worked out.

So once again I'll state your analysis has FAILED. Based on pure playing ability myself and Mynock should be in office over anyone else, with the exception of maybe BC. Showtime! and Caller do better outside of leadership roles.

I'm interested in hearing your retort to this post.

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=93286&currentpage=25#492

Thanks for helping me find this, LTT

EDIT: Btw, thanks Ace, Qatol, and Caller.

LucasWoJ

United States936 Posts

May 18 2009 23:43 GMT

#701

On May 19 2009 08:36 Ver wrote:

The most pressing thing I want to know is how many mafia candidates ran. 0, 1, or 2.

Yes, that is quite pressing. I wonder, how do you figure this is even possible without RC'ing the people Ace listed as those who must be looked up?

LucasWoJ

United States936 Posts

May 19 2009 03:28 GMT

#743

On May 19 2009 12:18 Malongo wrote:
I still think the day 1 clue points to Plexa.

Thank you. How so? Apparently, I might have to post that post I promised after all...malongo's still being stupid.

LucasWoJ

United States936 Posts

May 19 2009 04:23 GMT

#751

On May 19 2009 13:22 Malongo wrote:

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One year older and still dont learn to shut the fuck up unless you have something relevant to post.

One day older, actually.

Edit: Btw, storing the quote for the future. If plexa or anyone you ever accuse of being mafia actually turns out red, you'll have nothing but blind stupidity on your part to blame. I've give you countless times to post some reasoning, but you refuse. Maybe it's because you have none (in general).

I'm clearly antagonizing you, but I doubt you'll catch on.

What clues point to Plexa?