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rredtooth
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
5464 Posts
March 02 2009 17:17 GMT
#601
I did vote for inertinept (I didn't agree with that decision but I did anyways). Malongo, the list you produced is almost absolutely useless. Why would mad hatters place bombs on people from that list? It holds no significance. And wtf is all this about "insiders"? There is NO way everybody not on that list has been confirmed of their role and your town circle is that large. If voting for inertinept deems you an "insider", we've pretty much already lost this game.

People that didn't vote for inertinept are justificed in their decision. Though they didn't get an order from dyno. to do so, it helps the PE if he decides to votecheck. Think about it: a votecheck on the mainlist producing something like [6/45] are mafia from the inertinept votelist is essentially the same as producing [3/14] who didn't vote for inertinept are mafia. If we have everybody vote for inertinept then we'll get something like [9/59] are mafia - an absolutely USELESS statistic. What's all this nonsense about "dodging" a votecheck? You are going to be checked either way (the two choices being: (a) voting for inertinept or (b) not voting for inertinept). And a lot of people on malongo's list are active so I really have no idea what that list is supposed to mean, even less of a clue on why mad hatters should place a trap on them.

If anything, Mad Hatters should place a bomb on the people most likely to be hit (which is what they are SUPPOSED to do instead of listening to random lists like malongo's). LTT and Scaramanga come to mind as helpful people who would be targeted by mafia. Just listen to what dyno. tells you, not malongo.

+ Show Spoiler [proof that I voted for inertinept] +
On March 02 2009 13:53 redtooth wrote:
Alright, at the request of the others:
I change my vote to inertinept
Still stand by my statement that we should have many smaller lists, even if Dyno. doesn't directly order it. A votecheck on the main list is absolutely useless. There is no way we could sift through all of the ~50 people who will vote for inertinept.

edit: Few formatting errors using UBB code. No content changed.


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LTT
Profile Blog Joined March 2003
Shakuras1095 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-03-02 17:22:13
March 02 2009 17:21 GMT
#602
You changed your vote after voting had closed.

Edit: It happened exactly 6 posts above the post you quoted.
ahswtini
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Northern Ireland22213 Posts
March 02 2009 17:31 GMT
#603
Night time, time to CHILL.
"As I've said, balance isn't about strategies or counters, it's about probability and statistics." - paralleluniverse
Rice
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
United States1332 Posts
March 02 2009 20:03 GMT
#604
zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
Freedom will be defended at the cost of civil liberties.
Trezeguet
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States2656 Posts
March 02 2009 20:13 GMT
#605
I'm dead mother!
Pyrrhuloxia
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States6700 Posts
March 02 2009 20:13 GMT
#606
On March 03 2009 05:13 Trezeguet23 wrote:
I'm dead mother!

?
Trezeguet
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States2656 Posts
March 02 2009 20:22 GMT
#607
On March 03 2009 05:13 Pyrrhuloxia wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 03 2009 05:13 Trezeguet23 wrote:
I'm dead mother!

?


Sort of thing someone would say if this was the hamlet version of tl mafia. Was just reading it, sorry....
ahswtini
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Northern Ireland22213 Posts
March 02 2009 20:27 GMT
#608
Mafioso?
"As I've said, balance isn't about strategies or counters, it's about probability and statistics." - paralleluniverse
Pyrrhuloxia
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States6700 Posts
March 02 2009 21:51 GMT
#609
Seriously what's with all the people arguing against lynching inertinept AFTER HE ADMITTED TO BEING MAFIA. WTF. It's almost like the don sent out a message to stick up for him and some people did so without reading all of the thread to see how stupid that would be.
Qatol
Profile Blog Joined November 2006
United States3165 Posts
March 02 2009 21:54 GMT
#610
On March 03 2009 06:51 Pyrrhuloxia wrote:
Seriously what's with all the people arguing against lynching inertinept AFTER HE ADMITTED TO BEING MAFIA. WTF. It's almost like the don sent out a message to stick up for him and some people did so without reading all of the thread to see how stupid that would be.


I don't think that was what people were arguing about. I think they were worried about spreading out their votes so we could get some better votechecks. If I'm wrong, could you point me towards some posts of people defending inertinept?
Uff Da
Pyrrhuloxia
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States6700 Posts
March 02 2009 22:27 GMT
#611
On March 03 2009 06:54 Qatol wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 03 2009 06:51 Pyrrhuloxia wrote:
Seriously what's with all the people arguing against lynching inertinept AFTER HE ADMITTED TO BEING MAFIA. WTF. It's almost like the don sent out a message to stick up for him and some people did so without reading all of the thread to see how stupid that would be.


I don't think that was what people were arguing about. I think they were worried about spreading out their votes so we could get some better votechecks. If I'm wrong, could you point me towards some posts of people defending inertinept?

Yeah you're right they just wanted votechecks and they weren't being centralized. Just triflejack joking around I guess.
rredtooth
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
5464 Posts
March 02 2009 22:39 GMT
#612
On March 03 2009 02:21 LTT wrote:
You changed your vote after voting had closed.

Edit: It happened exactly 6 posts above the post you quoted.

Eh I assumed that "Final Vote Count" meant the final notice before voting was actually closed. Much like the first Vote Count was just an alert on how many votes were allocated where. Guess I will keep that in mind for future reference.
Nonetheless, that doesn't impact the rest of my argument. I really think we misplayed by stacking all our votes onto Inertinept.
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Caller
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
Poland8075 Posts
March 02 2009 22:43 GMT
#613
On March 03 2009 06:51 Pyrrhuloxia wrote:
Seriously what's with all the people arguing against lynching inertinept AFTER HE ADMITTED TO BEING MAFIA. WTF. It's almost like the don sent out a message to stick up for him and some people did so without reading all of the thread to see how stupid that would be.

remember how we had a lot of people trolling the other game <cough> attackzerg <cough>

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Qatol
Profile Blog Joined November 2006
United States3165 Posts
March 02 2009 22:59 GMT
#614
On March 03 2009 07:43 Caller wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 03 2009 06:51 Pyrrhuloxia wrote:
Seriously what's with all the people arguing against lynching inertinept AFTER HE ADMITTED TO BEING MAFIA. WTF. It's almost like the don sent out a message to stick up for him and some people did so without reading all of the thread to see how stupid that would be.

remember how we had a lot of people trolling the other game <cough> attackzerg <cough>



Ah but which game are you talking about? AZ managed to troll several!
Uff Da
MasterOfChaos
Profile Blog Joined April 2007
Germany2896 Posts
March 02 2009 23:00 GMT
#615
I agree with redtooth that multiple smaller lists are better for votechecks.
On the other hand if almosts all players vote for the same suspect, the real rolecheck is on the people who didn't vote, as one can deduce the numbe of mafia from the total number of players and mafia, and the number of mafia who voted for the suspect.
LiquipediaOne eye to kill. Two eyes to live.
Malongo
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Chile3472 Posts
March 03 2009 01:43 GMT
#616
On March 03 2009 02:17 redtooth wrote:
I did vote for inertinept (I didn't agree with that decision but I did anyways). Malongo, the list you produced is almost absolutely useless. Why would mad hatters place bombs on people from that list? It holds no significance. And wtf is all this about "insiders"? There is NO way everybody not on that list has been confirmed of their role and your town circle is that large. If voting for inertinept deems you an "insider", we've pretty much already lost this game.

1 People that didn't vote for inertinept are justificed in their decision. Though they didn't get an order from dyno. to do so, 2- it helps the PE if he decides to votecheck. Think about it: a votecheck on the mainlist producing something like [6/45] are mafia from the inertinept votelist is essentially the same as producing [3/14] who didn't vote for inertinept are mafia. If we have everybody vote for inertinept then we'll get something like [9/59] are mafia - an absolutely USELESS statistic. What's all this nonsense about "dodging" a votecheck? You are going to be checked either way (the two choices being: (a) voting for inertinept or (b) not voting for inertinept). And a lot of people on malongo's list are active so I really have no idea what that list is supposed to mean, even less of a clue on why mad hatters should place a trap on them.

3-If anything, Mad Hatters should place a bomb on the people most likely to be hit (which is what they are SUPPOSED to do instead of listening to random lists like malongo's). LTT and Scaramanga come to mind as helpful people who would be targeted by mafia. Just listen to what dyno. tells you, not malongo.

+ Show Spoiler [proof that I voted for inertinept] +
On March 02 2009 13:53 redtooth wrote:
Alright, at the request of the others:
I change my vote to inertinept
Still stand by my statement that we should have many smaller lists, even if Dyno. doesn't directly order it. A votecheck on the main list is absolutely useless. There is no way we could sift through all of the ~50 people who will vote for inertinept.

edit: Few formatting errors using UBB code. No content changed.



Just LOL stop capek.
1-How can be them justified? give me one advantage to put your vote in a single person list and i can agree. Theres no one!!!
2-How can a single person votecheck help the PE? just better do a rolecheck instead.
3-LOL wut??? i better bomb a suspicious player and get a townie rather than losing the bomb this is nonsense muahahahah. Please seriously place bombs on people that will die to mafia? AHAHAHAHAHAHA
4-Yes i agree dont worry too much abut me, dyno. and friends is the way to go.
5-Why did you change your vote after the votecount was closed, is this a joke????

The more you argue against me the more suspicious you get bro, just live with it. This single post from you prove that my list wasnt useless.

On March 03 2009 08:00 MasterOfChaos wrote:
I agree with redtooth that multiple smaller lists are better for votechecks.
On the other hand if almosts all players vote for the same suspect, the real rolecheck is on the people who didn't vote, as one can deduce the numbe of mafia from the total number of players and mafia, and the number of mafia who voted for the suspect.


Thats the point. With no smaller votelist why some pleople were afraid to go in the big list and spread their votes in single lists? afaik we cant checklist people who didnt vote. In a perfect townie coordination every townie had to vote inertinept and get the info form there. Thats why i stated that townies voting in sinlge lists are dumb, they are looking suspicious.
Help me! im still improving my English. An eye for an eye makes the whole world blind. M. G.
Pyrrhuloxia
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States6700 Posts
March 03 2009 01:58 GMT
#617
Townies voting in a single list is not yet suspicious. And I wouldn't call it dumb, just not ideal. Until dyno. or someone authorized by him creates their own lists and asks them to follow them we can't create very useful lists because they haven't been organized. The inner circle should create specific lists in order to check if suspicions are warranted, not randomly create the vote lists. No PEs should be using powers until Dyno. and Co. coordinate it.
JeeJee
Profile Blog Joined July 2003
Canada5652 Posts
March 03 2009 03:08 GMT
#618
the hell
i'd love if the vote check came out to be 9/59, you'd have to be an idiot not to like that.

but yeah i have no idea why everyone voted for the same person ?? dyno should've split a group of 10 or so and made them vote for another. having two lists to work with in the future is more useful than one
(\o/)  If you want it, you find a way. Otherwise you find excuses. No exceptions.
 /_\   aka Shinbi (requesting a name change since 27/05/09 ☺)
Chuiu
Profile Blog Joined June 2003
3470 Posts
March 03 2009 04:17 GMT
#619
[image loading]
One thing the mafia didn't predict was the league of Mad Hatters. A secret society of criminally insane assassins that just happen to live within the city of Liquidia. They made short work of the mafia.

3clipse spotted Ra.Xor.2 sneaking into someones house and ran up to him then set off a bomb strapped to his chest, killing them both.

ChaoSbringer brought his own chaos to Teejing when he spotted him pulling a gun on his target that night, he tackled him to the ground and killed them both with a bomb.

Amber[LighT] suicide bombed Trezeguet23. Chaoser suicide bombed ulszz. ILoveKTF suicide bombed 3 Lions.

Then it came down to two more. LucasWoJ suicide bombed HeRoS)Pink! But one mafia caught on, he saw a Mad Hatter running furiously at him. Unloading his gun he managed to kill JL13 before he could set his bomb off. But Qatol made up for that small error when he suicide bombed triflejack from behind.
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HOLY SHIT BATMAN! Well needless to say who's going to win this game. I'm both disappointed but surprised at the same time. Disappointed because I expected mafia to get into the town alliance and learn their plans then use it to their advantage. Surprised that they didn't and the town was able to kill off so many so early in the game.

Right now the mafia are probably screaming 'unfair' 'hax' 'bullshit', etc. Well they're justified. Who's all for a new game without a role that gets an extra vote?
♞
Chuiu
Profile Blog Joined June 2003
3470 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-03-03 04:19:43
March 03 2009 04:18 GMT
#620
Btw, HeRoS was a PE, the rest were mad hatters. 3 Lions was the Don.
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