noone else can really see the things here other than Oats and Koshi (but Koshi is playing the i-dont-care-fuck-you-all game). Or well not really that, mainly Trfel (and AZ), because Trfel keeps repeating the point the "rayn has not made any good observations in the game therefore mafia".
I was concerned during N1, that when scott didn't get lynched, maybe one or two of marv/AZ is mafia. Obviously i was wrong on marv. We had a talk about my notion that "if youre both town with marv, why didn't you get scott lynched" with AZ in the mason chat. He of course refuses to acknowledge that its a good point since he has to regardless of alignment. He however acknowledges that it was reasonable,
"And it’s a good observation I always said that". Except he never says that in thread.
Another thing is about the Trfel case on Vivax. I was literally the only person in the game to call that case bad. By default it's a good observation, because Trfel himself said so.
Both of those things are considered good observations, even if i am wrong about alignments here. It annoys me a great deal that even after that, nobody even noticed those things, Trfel keeps telling i am playing like shit, and AZ doesn't do any-fucking-thing about that while telling me in mason QT absolutely different story that Trfel is telling here -- and never clears that up in thread.
We havent really been talking about anything else too much, aside from our reads on each other, and one other person, which is not really relevant at the moment.
Now as for Mocsta, My comment on Mocsta after i said he is only posturing imo, was this:
Why do you never ever share a single shred of doubt on Trfel's alignment. You havent played for what, 10 or so years, so you should have no clue about Trfel's recent meta.
I do not think it is wrong to assume Mocsta should even for a teeny tiny bit consider Trfel's alignment when Trfel goes like "vote Vivax" ---> Mocsta goes "wow good yeah lets do that shit", "naaah i was just faking a case, rayn and koshi and DMB are mafia", "wow yeah okay, let's kill DMB!", "naah i am actually voting for sandroba WITH rayn and DMB".
At this point, why the hell doesn't Mocsta shred a SINGLE moment on reconsidering Trfel's alignment?????
AZ calls me mafia for thinking he should. Yet my opinion is:
" If Trfel was anyone but Trfel i would say Trfel is mafia because he keeps repeating his awful points and fails to even reconsider anything for a second just because he is too tunneled. Like his points are literally awful!!!! However Trfel is the only player i ever read just by tone, and this is town Trfel. He made me very angry yesterday, and idgaf if you lynch me, even if i could i wont be saying anything to him anymore and let him fucking throw."This however should not be clear to Mocsta. Trfel just pushed all the shit Mocsta apparently "wanted", and ended up on full opposite side of all those things. But no, Mocsta doesn't reconsider him at all, he doesn't even tell him he's being stupid or anything. Like just nothing at all. I think that's mafia.
Furthermore there is this thing when he is already gearing up on sandroba mafia lynch.
Everything from his post #3099 is simply just preparing himself to look better after flip. There is simply no reason why he should have a thought in his head that rayn is mafia and at least one of DMB/sandroba is mafia. It is simply insane to have a thought that i am mafia with sandroba!!
This post is just simply nitpicking on semantics in a very scummy way:
On June 11 2024 17:56 Mocsta wrote:Show nested quote +On June 11 2024 17:42 AlphaZero wrote:On June 11 2024 17:28 Mocsta wrote:On June 11 2024 17:26 raynpelikoneet wrote:On June 11 2024 17:25 Mocsta wrote:On June 11 2024 17:24 raynpelikoneet wrote:On June 11 2024 17:17 Koshi wrote:
But the talk was good. It felt like 5 townies. Did you feel deceit?
There is no need for any deceit. There is only need for not to vote for sandroba.
Mocsta didn't do shit all, and when people started talking about lynching me he just rolled with it.
AZ became dumb after being smart on D1.
Trfel and Vivax are town. Idk what Vivax actually is doing and Trfel is just too tunneled to objectively look at any argument at all in the game, so he is lost cause.
So you're arguing there was 4-5mafia?
I dunno who the 5th is that koshi talks of
are you fucking stupid?
let's go with yes as I'm reading what you're writing
Koshi asked a yes/no question and I saw waffles
Stupid, mofo waffles
Tbh that was bad mocsta.
well rayn was asked 2 things. 1 direct. 1 indirect
Rayn answered neither
Direct. "Was their deceit" =
there was no need for deceit i.e. reframed scummy by dodging the questionIndirect. "But the talk was good.it felt like 5 townies" =
mocsta shit. Az dumb. Trfel lost cause. Vivax lose causw
I.e. gives 2 of 5 a town read with a caveat... Again scummy reframe.Now.. the counter argument is that rayn is defensive due to votes. Yet... This is both overly antagonist (per my comments above) and bear in mind, as a town!rayn, koshi has mostly been an advocate for rayn and asked very politely.
Even oats for all his abrasiveness and bravado does not ignore and reframe in this way.
This for me is a very clear approach that only comes from.mafia mindset.
I literally answered exactly what Koshi asked, and even more.
Mocsta = mafia
AZ is being dumb, mafia or town idk
Others are town and dumb
If he cannot fucking deduce that from the post for real he has to be the dumbest person on earth. He is simply just using semantics of "rayn not answering the question" to painnt me scummy, when i did answer, and more. Probably because he has deduced Trfel is incapable of hearing anything of how rayn
could possibly do something townie in this fucking game from behind of his eye-shutters.
Yeah end rant. Now my only question is what alignment is AZ?
If he is town what am i missing?