Sweet Summer Mafia - Page 16

On June 11 2024 06:18 die_meatbaby wrote:
First of all nice that sandroba started to play again, but your Comeback posts are not what makes me feel better about you.
I still believe it's you and mocstar together + maybe Vivax. First time that I am not a 100 % sure about vivax alignment.
##Unvote
##Vote: Sandroba

On June 11 2024 06:29 die_meatbaby wrote:

I need more time to read vivax and also to read you

On June 10 2024 10:59 scott31337 wrote:

AlphaZero A very good player that has my spider senses on alert. A few other townies have a bit of suspicion also on him, but not enough to really matter yet. I'm very curious of who he goes after today.

On June 11 2024 06:40 scott31337 wrote:


Basically that he isn't going to get lynched today.

On June 11 2024 06:49 Koshi wrote:
Have you ever seen a mafia team openly pushing the same 2/3 names?

On June 11 2024 07:09 Koshi wrote:
Pretty sure marv would have always been on our side

On June 11 2024 07:15 AlphaZero wrote:


Because you haven’t established your innocence in a timeframe that is normal for you. But I’ll talk to you shortly on discord if you are around.

On June 11 2024 07:24 Trfel wrote:

Raynpelikoneet is mafia because he typically has very strong logical play, but his play here is riddled with blunders and inconsistencies and falsehoods. Case in point, he is voting for sandroba for what he said is the strongest case in the thread, and it's completely false. It's not even a matter of opinion, it's strictly false.

On June 11 2024 16:14 Trfel wrote:
I guess I can go back and respond to this. If you don't agree that's fine but I'll try.

It's totally understandable for someone to misinterpret something and make a wrong claim and realize it and retract their claim. This isn't what raynpelikoneet did. When sandroba and I pointed out that he was misreading sandroba's post, instead of changing his view, raynpelikoneet modified his argument. See here:Raynpelikoneet's initial argument:
- Sandroba said that if rsoultin/Koshi is mafia, Oatsmaster could be mafia (implying this is more likely). Then, sandroba said he thinks rsoultin/Koshi is mafia, but didn't think Oatsmaster is mafia
Becomes:
- Sandroba said a pointless association read, it's pointless because it only matters if someone is town, and sandroba thinks that person is mafia
The latter isn't wrong, but it's a much weaker argument. However, this change did not affect raynpelikoneet's read on sandroba or his confidence in this case. Town in this spot would re-evaluate given the new information.

Note that raynpelikoneet's third point is literally nonsense. Sandroba said "I have no idea how to read rsoultin so it helps that Koshi replaced in, here are the reasons Koshi is mafia: (reasons)" and took that to mean "Koshi is mafia because I have no idea how to read rsoultin" which is simply not what sandroba said?

The end result is you have a three point case where raynpelikoneet literally said the first point doesn't mean anything on its own, the second point is quite weak, and the third point is objectively not true. But raynpelikoneet still believes it, very strongly, after being shown these things.

On June 11 2024 16:22 Koshi wrote:

Yes. It obviously does not make sandroba lock mafia.
BUT
In a fast catch up. It is weird that sandroba sees something that makes him go: "Hey rsoultin and Oats could be a mafia team"

And then not much later goes:

Town:
Oats

Mafia:
Rsoultin

It just contradicts this earlier post you made in a catchup of so many pages. If it is throwaway, why post it? He is limiting his post count and still contradicts in that low post count.

On June 11 2024 16:25 Trfel wrote:
Gonna quote this one more time for clarity.

First paragraph, he literally says in the second paragraph that it doesn't make sandroba mafia. If you choose to interpret this point as being strong, I can't stop you, but I don't think it is very strong, and raynpelikoneet doesn't, either. I don't even really think it's true tbh, but that's more subjective and I don't feel like arguing about it.

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Note that this is the reasoning that raynpelikoneet is using to explain his vote on sandroba. And raynpelikoneet was defending sandroba not long before! So this reasoning has to be strong enough to make sandroba the most suspicious person, and also override his previous town lean/town read on sandroba.