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On March 18 2024 07:42 die_meatbaby wrote:Show nested quote +On March 18 2024 01:39 Vivax wrote:
DMB why are you ninjavoting DP.
For the love of god please stay on Jealous. I can't handle so many betrayals. I don't want to lynch jealous! Rels or dp... who do you want?
Who are we partnered with dmb?
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On March 18 2024 07:42 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On March 18 2024 07:41 DarthPunk wrote:On March 18 2024 07:29 Palmar wrote:On March 18 2024 07:25 Vivax wrote:On March 18 2024 07:18 Jealous wrote:On March 18 2024 07:11 Vivax wrote:
I have been fair towards Jealous.
I asked him to look at Rels.
I‘m tired of having to argue with people who aren‘t him and have him as scum why he should be lynched.
And both of them called me crazy while agreeing with me. You didn't vote for Rels even once yesterday. You voted for five other people, and Rels was not on that list. Why do you want a Rels filter read so bad? You'll get it. Before that though, try to put yourself in my position. Namely, the position of being told to do something by the person who is trying to lynch you when you know you are town, which will result in yet another mislynch, and whenever you start doing the thing that person asked for, that person acts like an ass and misrepresents you habitually in the thread. Almost as if by occupying me with something else, this gives you more opportunity to poison the well. This is also a person who sent you on a wild goose chase in the past. I think you can understand why I'm not asking "how high?" when you say "jump." You seemed happy when copcake got lynched, maybe a bit agitated. DP making me vote her and then abusing my trust infuriates me. I gave my trust when I killed Hapa, and when I voted copcake. But I get nothing back. Maybe then you can understand why it is so important to me that we lynch either you, Rels or DP today. Remember when me and DP ‚mindmelded‘ on Oats early D1? How did that die off ? With the Palmar wagon mostly. Everything in this town dies with people going after poor palmar. Here's a fun fact, Trfel voted me day 1, Oats cased me day 2, VE cased me day 3 and CC cased me day 4. Everyone and their mother thinks I'm mafia. It's really, really hard. I guess I’m next then Don't think I can swing it  I mean I can maybe get dmb and vivax...
You could definitely get them lol
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Dmb why did you post a game I didn’t even play in and then say that I am mafia because it was exactly like said game?
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The thing is palmar is that I am really weak to you being smart and reasonable and witty. But I don’t know if that is enough to justify it lynching you when your case is the most tangible lead I have got right now.
I am not sure what teams make sense without you.
I’m guessing something like Rels/dmb/jealous/mz
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On March 18 2024 07:58 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On March 18 2024 07:55 DarthPunk wrote:
The thing is palmar is that I am really weak to you being smart and reasonable and witty. But I don’t know if that is enough to justify it lynching you when your case is the most tangible lead I have got right now.
I am not sure what teams make sense without you.
I’m guessing something like Rels/dmb/jealous/mz Yeah but if it consoles you at all, your case is trash.
It doesn’t. I also don’t think it is trash.
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Like the fact this game is so hard points to someone as mafia who is really reasonable and townie looking who is mafia.
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On March 18 2024 08:00 Palmar wrote:
This town, lynching a 25 page Palmar on a weekend with a 90% marv townread behind me.
What an artist the world is losing!
I don’t think you are getting lynched fwiw.
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On March 18 2024 08:01 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On March 18 2024 08:00 DarthPunk wrote:
Like the fact this game is so hard points to someone as mafia who is really reasonable and townie looking who is mafia. I know buddy, I know
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On March 18 2024 08:03 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On March 18 2024 08:01 DarthPunk wrote:On March 18 2024 08:00 Palmar wrote:
This town, lynching a 25 page Palmar on a weekend with a 90% marv townread behind me.
What an artist the world is losing! I don’t think you are getting lynched fwiw. Iamp hasn't moved. And even then, unless Jealous is town, mafia can just take this lynch as long as even one of them is reasonably hidden. Like they can sacrifice 2 for 1 here, shut down all discussion for the next 2 cycles as the counterlynches happen, and leave very tired and strategically picked 2 townies left with the best hidden mafia in lylo. It's going to be me or Jealous, and everyone else should vote the same person. It should be 8v1 in either direction because splitting this allows mafia to control the vote. I know it won't happen because people are stubborn egomaniacs, but that would allow town to guarantee the lynch with no bullshit shenanigans.
If people try to ninja a quick swap I will swap off. I can promise you that much at least.
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On March 18 2024 08:04 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On March 18 2024 08:00 DarthPunk wrote:
Like the fact this game is so hard points to someone as mafia who is really reasonable and townie looking who is mafia. Rels ? Guy with god reads, but absent parked on Palmar. It‘s who you can bribe me with
I’ve thought he was mafia when I thought palmar is town.
Now I think palmar is mafia.
Do you really want to go into the next phase without at least one of these wagons resolved?
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Well if you are town and I am throwing the game here I’m sorry palmar.
I’m heading out for my physio I will be back before the flip
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I really want palmar to be town.
But I have identified a bias there which is making this hard.
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On March 18 2024 08:11 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On March 18 2024 08:07 DarthPunk wrote:On March 18 2024 08:04 Vivax wrote:On March 18 2024 08:00 DarthPunk wrote:
Like the fact this game is so hard points to someone as mafia who is really reasonable and townie looking who is mafia. Rels ? Guy with god reads, but absent parked on Palmar. It‘s who you can bribe me with I’ve thought he was mafia when I thought palmar is town. Now I think palmar is mafia. Do you really want to go into the next phase without at least one of these wagons resolved? You know I'm never letting Jealous go. You acknowledged it yesterday, you said it'd be better to get it over with. But you broke your word, and here we are.
I never promised anything to you, quit with this breaking your word BS.
I am actually fine with a jealous lynch btw if that is not super clear already but I put in the work yesterday to try and get the best lynch today.
None of this is fun for me. I really want to be wrong on palmar. I just don’t think I am.
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On March 18 2024 08:14 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On March 18 2024 08:09 DarthPunk wrote:
Well if you are town and I am throwing the game here I’m sorry palmar.
I’m heading out for my physio I will be back before the flip From each according to his ability.
Jesus Christ 💀
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On March 18 2024 08:43 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On March 18 2024 08:35 Jealous wrote:On March 11 2024 13:33 Rels wrote:
My mind is here:
Scum
VE is almost confirmed scum IMO. My scumread started at the fake anger against rayn D1 (or N1? But I think D1), but the rest of his play since then is just an admission of being scum.
CC this cycle has been really, really scummy with her play. Martyring but still hanging out with no real objective and mainly discussing roles and KP targets. It really feels like a mafia that know they will be lynched but also know they have to participate in order to not play against their wincon
DMB has already been very scummy. I know she's has been scumread a lot s town, but the points that I think is not correlated to her style are her entrance where she spoke only in general terms until she was called out on it(I know at least by me, maybe others too), and the dumbtell in particular that looked very forced. Also was not a fan on how she behaved when marv/DP pushed her yesterday. I still haven't had the time to read one of her towngame, that's something that I will need to do
Jealous I hated a few posts from them. Already summarized it for marv yesterday, but basically, I have the feeling that his big posts are there to be townie / believable, not there because they're genuine. Contrary to some other takes I've seen, I didn't find anything particularly townie about them, if we exclude activity. I might be wrong, but I think his take on Vivax earlier was the first time he posted something that really resonated with me, and it was not even alignment related
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[town]Town[/town]
JAT I've thought was townie for a while for some of his posts and analyses N1, but TBH this is becoming to become weaker and weaker. I can't remember anything they've done lately - I know they've been somewhat active, but can't remember a single thing that influenced my reads. Probably the weakest of my townreads.
Koshi is someone that I thought multiple times was falling off, but actually hit a sprea of posts after catching up and thought once again he was being extremely townie with the way he thought and jumped from idea to idea. Very strong townread.
Palmar, just quoted my reasonning to MZ earlier, really, really don't think he makes those dumbtells as an experienced player. I know dumbtell are always tempting as scum, but this feels like too much, especially in this game where people are being scumread for dumbtells already. I also really liked his last list post (last in the part of the game I've read, haven't read the last 24 hours).
DP is super, super town, in addition to actually having played against their wincon if they're scum by shooting a partner instead of a scummy townie.
MZ has been so doubtful and involved in D2 when there was no reason to, very very strong townread.
iamperfection is a somewhat strong townread. I actualy never filtered him so I'm probably missing a bunch of his posts, but several times, he posted stuff that was either a great find or exactly what I thought at the time.
Vivax is JK. If he's scum and we really have no other protective role, I'm blaming balance there.
JSL is confirmed town.
13 players so I'm missing someone.
Whelp I guess it's me lol I'm going through Rels filter and he isn't quite the clairvoyant that D1 made him out to be. To be quite honest, at this point (12 pages), I have to think Rels is more likely town than scum. Yes, he hasn't had much presence, but I also don't think a person welcomed in this community would be such a piece of shit that they would leverage their daughter's health to explain away inactivity. Not that that in itself is AI, but at least there is a reason I believe. With the activity question out of the way, I think I just didn't give Rels enough credit for their posting. They are clearly invested, their takes are generally sensible with a few exceptions. What I see is a consistent player who isn't shying away from making reads unprompted. I'm upgrading Rels to townread, but I will finish their filter first to see if there are any irregularities. DP is that you writing this again. This isn't Jealous english
I genuinely think jealous makes way less mistakes than I do, he does writing as a side gig or something similar
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On March 18 2024 08:43 Jealous wrote:Show nested quote +On March 18 2024 08:38 Vivax wrote:
Ah well.
Palmar isn't mafia.
DMB Jealous DP final answer. Both are independently defending me (in one way or another) for the past 24 hours so it's a really primitive take but understandable from your POV. From my POV tbh it makes me suspicious. Who would gain the most by appearing to defend a townie from ML - but the ML happens anyway because one of them votes for a nonstarter and the other promises to hop off in the case of shennanies - when we are one lynch away from lylo? Could be an easy way to gain town points going into the end game.
I’m not swapping with normal shenanigans just in the last second swap around shit palmar was talking about.
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On March 18 2024 09:52 die_meatbaby wrote:Show nested quote +On March 18 2024 09:42 Jealous wrote:On March 18 2024 09:22 die_meatbaby wrote:On March 18 2024 09:20 Vivax wrote:On March 18 2024 09:15 Jealous wrote:On March 18 2024 09:12 Vivax wrote:
But I understand that cracking jokes while I‘m trying to lynch you could come across as the wrong intention. Yea, I think I would have taken it better if the situation wasn't what it is. I honestly feel better about all this after you made a genuine joke and this post for my sake. Thanks. Its really good English but it looks so similar to DPs style in certain posts that I think he could have written that. Either way, what‘s your opinion on Oats‘ scumslip read of DMB ? Don‘t you think he was a bit too sure of himself ? He is just fucking idiot pushing weak Town. How long you playing this game? Is it you first one??? Should I explain you what fucking mafia did this game and why VE and CC are misslynced... You know why Trfel was misslynced. He plays differnent then the rest of here. Thats why you all scumreading him. Thats why fucking Town lynched Town this hole fucking game. I know that you are having a moment here but I would like to point out that you only started calling me "weak Town" when you found out how many games I've played. Before that you didn't seem to have any verbalized judgment of my play as being scrubby. Furthermore, I've played with many of the people here before so they know I've been around a long time and I don't think they'd have any reason to assume I'm "noob" until I revealed my game count, which was well into today's push against me. So, I don't think the "kill noob towns" motif makes sense here, it's more like "noob towns look scummy af" and objectively speaking CC and VE both had significant issues with their play that could reasonably lead to a scum read IMO. DP is making Town vs Town lynchs the hole game... most of the time he made all two vote wagons. I don´t trust this man anymore. I don´t vote on his wagons!! Thats the mean reason why I don´t want to vote on you. And I already explaind why I voted CC even I thought of her as Town. But if she wants do die and ask me did that out of desperation because this Town plays here like Garbodor
Which wagons did I make town on town this game dmb specifically.
Because unless you have access to some information we don’t have then I can’t see how you could possibly think this
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On March 18 2024 10:04 die_meatbaby wrote:
and dp beeing non activ before a lynch is sus as hell
I told you all I had a physiotherapist appointment.
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On March 18 2024 10:11 die_meatbaby wrote:Show nested quote +On March 18 2024 10:07 Vivax wrote:On March 18 2024 10:02 die_meatbaby wrote:On March 18 2024 09:55 Vivax wrote:On March 18 2024 09:49 iamperfection wrote:On March 18 2024 09:47 Vivax wrote:
I don‘t know if I can survive more of this game without getting put into a straitjacket.
Maybe I should do what others do and mislynch someone. Stop being so ambitious about the game.
Let Jello live? I‘d have proven my point anyway so what do you want to do. Lynch Palmar. He did say something super scummy earlier he called me a good player i genuinely don't think he believes that lol. I'll keep my vote here but I'll stop fighting and be mad if you change your mind. It was a good battle, I'm spent. I think I prefer harmony now. did you read his old towngame where I posted a link? did you compare that? can you untunnel J for like 10 minutes and finally do something for this town and not working like our rl mayjor??? Compare this this one old game with this now. Tell me I am wrong! Tell me pls why I am wrong? This is basiclly the same how he plays here The only way for me to untunnel the way you‘d like me to is by tunneling DP instead and I‘m not going to start doing that one hour before DL. Grack already told us he‘s scum either way great that means you did not read this old game with a 7 page filter and and the game had only about 90 pages. But okey don´t look up his meta. Sorry I forgot a major can not get his ass to take 10 minutes to read this one game of him. I hope you are right with J. We can not misslynch another town 3 times in raw.
I DIDNT PLAY IN THE GAME YOU LINKED
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On March 18 2024 10:26 Jealous wrote:Show nested quote +On March 18 2024 10:22 Vivax wrote:
Jealous can you see dmb/DP/Rels now in this very moment ?
We have the technology, we can rebuild you. I address this here: Show nested quote +On March 18 2024 09:35 Jealous wrote:On March 18 2024 09:20 Vivax wrote:On March 18 2024 09:15 Jealous wrote:On March 18 2024 09:12 Vivax wrote:
But I understand that cracking jokes while I‘m trying to lynch you could come across as the wrong intention. Yea, I think I would have taken it better if the situation wasn't what it is. I honestly feel better about all this after you made a genuine joke and this post for my sake. Thanks. Its really good English but it looks so similar to DPs style in certain posts that I think he could have written that. Either way, what‘s your opinion on Oats‘ scumslip read of DMB ? Don‘t you think he was a bit too sure of himself ? For a long time I thought the opposite tbh. He voted her immediately on D2. According to Slam, it was within 13 seconds of Slam revealing Oats' alignment. To me that feels like it can't be a bus, therefore DMB has to be town. Here comes the WIFOM: However, Rels introduced reasonable doubt into my thinking process when he pointed out that Oats had cased her for 24 hours. Maybe you and others can help me with the meta read here, but I don't think that is typical for scum: to start bussing with posts/reads and then votes on D1/N1 -> N2. That being said, in one of my two scum games, I was bussed by HF and scum ended up winning in 3 days because of that IIRC. So, I know it does happen. Furthermore, we know Oats bussed TTS this game. So, the team would have to be Oats, DMB, and Rels. The problem with that is that Rels filter until page 22 (where I am at now) has been townie to me, DMB is now defending me and has been playing like CopCake 2.0 and is being defended by you and DP. I feel like this is just chaotic. Furthermore, Rels has been critical of DMB several times and supported others' reads of DMB = scum. Does scum team double bus DMB this way? Do scum!DMB and scum!Rels both make a Palmar lynch a reality by either voting for him or not voting for town!Jealous? FML. TLDR: I think it may be plausible but it depends on whether this is in character for the parties involved and a more common practice than it feels like it would be. It also has far-reaching and WIFOMy implications. Like yea, it is plausible. It would have to be well-orchestrated, which is something that I am sure DP and Oats are capable of, and Rels and DMB just have to sheep (no slight against Rels and DMB btw). Rels filter made me believe they are pretty dang town, though, and so does DMB's recent "no DP voting" push. However, not voting for either side of the current lynch pool could just be a great TvT ploy. Fuck it. ##Unvote
##Vote: DarthPunk
Loll wtf is this?
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