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On March 05 2024 10:32 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2024 10:14 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On March 05 2024 02:32 iamperfection wrote:
I'm inclined to think vivax has to be town. No scum claims like that. I strongly oppose any effort to make him mayor. He already has shown he willing to throw as town we aren't giving him power. OK so you accept he's town but don't want a town mayor? He has one kill and then is a potentially confirmed townie who can't get NK'd? If you believe he's town it would be dumb not to make him mayor. I don't think this is town aligned thinking, this is the kind of post scum would make who don't want a potentially confirmed town running around. This is a softing scum read post, do you actually scum read iamp and why?
Standby on that I'm almost caught up. Several people made similar statements to iamp at the same time so I need to sort through those. I responded to iamp because it was the first one I saw when I was reading, I'll go back and read iamp again to figure out if that post alone is enough to scum read him bc I recall liking some of his posts early game.
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On March 05 2024 10:45 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2024 10:37 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On March 05 2024 04:25 Oatsmaster wrote:
Fuck no I’m not electing vivax
He’s probably town though and he’ll self resolve Like 4 people have said this now and I'm having a really hard time understanding people's reservations to have someone they believe is town as mayor, especially when that person has already offered the mayor kill to the town so the whole "vivax won't know who to kill" point is moot. Killing the second top vote getter isn’t “offering the vote to town”. I’m also not sure why it’s a problem that I have other town reads? And there is also opportunity cost voting vivax
Are you being intentionally obtuse? The second highest vote getter is the town's choice?
Would you prefer we ran a second vote for the mayor to lynch out of? Would that qualify as town choice for you? What is the opportunity cost of voting vivax?
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Holy shit that took me like an hour and a half. The person who stood out the worst to me during the readthrough was copcake. I am also going to look at everyone who said "vivax town but I'm not voting him for reasons blah blah blah"
Sandroba probably my strongest townread at the moment aside from Vivax.
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On March 05 2024 11:39 VisceraEyes wrote:
People saying unccd in a semi open setup is making my eyes roll so hard they're doing back flips. God I've never wished I was Mafia more in a game.
So you're telling me you'd just yolo roll the dice as scum D1 and claim a role in hopes that town didn't have it in order to get.... the mayor who's only real advantage is the extra kill which you've already told them you're going to use as they direct anyway?
Is vivax so worried his scum play is bad that he needs the bodyguards from potential vigi shots? Walk me through the logic here.
Like we're not even talking a LYLO fake claim here where the last scum is trying to wiggle out of a lynch, we're talking a player claiming like halfway into D1 with no real pressure on him.
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I wanna get back to the lynch discussion because I want opinions on these posts from cake:
On March 05 2024 10:09 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2024 02:22 CopCake wrote:+ Show Spoiler +In addition to voting on a day 1 lynch, players will be voting for a Mayor. Prior to the end of day 1, the leading candidates for Mayor should pm me a name of their choosing to be killed alongside the day 1 lynch. If no name is sent in then nobody will be killed. After the election, 3 players will be randomized to become bodyguards. I will PM you if you become a bodyguard. The Mayor will be immune to KP (but still susceptible to lynch) until all town aligned bodyguards are killed. I think mayor should not kill, right? on the first couple of days I mean. Also I noticed there is a framer, holy shit, I have to step up my game because LOL, I would have loved to have beeeeennnn mafia in this game, so much beautifulness I could have done with a role like that in my teaaammmmmmm. I absolutely hate this post, cake we have no idea if that role exists and it just seems like you're feeling a bit of pressure so you're already worrying about a potential red check. Like nobody has discussed the possibility of a framer at all up until this point and you bring it up out of the blue.
On March 05 2024 10:31 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2024 04:03 CopCake wrote:
I think that Vivax is angry because he claimed and he might lose mayor so he is going to die at night.
And if he doesnt die, then he fake claimed.
Because why would mafia lose an opportunity like that, right?
I don't like this post, this reads like a prelude to the scum team not killing vivax if he doesn't win mayor and then you waltz in D2 claiming "oh he must be scum bc scum would have killed a claimed blue." If vivax loses mayor and doesn't die it's pure NK WIFOM at that point. Trying to pre stage a push on him suggests you know he's not gonna die if he's not mayor. This is making me even more comfortable Vivax is town since I have a scum read on you rn cake.
Both of these come across as borderline TMI to me as well as prepping for a potential red check on her and a potential a mislynch on Vivax assuming he's town.
I can't figure out a townie mindset where someone would make these posts.
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On March 05 2024 13:25 iamperfection wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2024 13:24 DarthPunk wrote:On March 05 2024 13:18 iamperfection wrote:On March 05 2024 13:17 DarthPunk wrote:On March 05 2024 13:07 iamperfection wrote:On March 05 2024 13:05 Oatsmaster wrote:
Thinking about it more, that dmb list is terrible why do you think that. had no reason to give reads and did so ? Why would mafia do that? Can you post your reads please. no im still working on them Just give me what you got. I don't care if you miss some people or whatever or there are no explanations. Cause I literally don't know where you stand on people right now. no. i dont know where i stand on a lot of people i have to think more. i only have easy ones now.
Iamp since you're around right now, do you know how many posts you've made that are longer than 2 lines? No cheating and checking, just give me your best guess. Second question, without looking how long do you think your filter is?
Last question, how would you say you've contributed to the town this game?
I'm not asking leading questions to just flat out call you scum, I'm just going over the people who called vivax town but said he shouldn't be mayor and I legit want to know what you think you've done to help scum hunt in your own words.
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On March 05 2024 13:38 DarthPunk wrote:
##unvote
Vote: Perfection
Reason: His play dropped off hard since start of day, he is being unreasonable about vivax as mayor despite providing no plausible alternatives, he refused to post reads.
Cake is still more scum but I agree that he hasn't contributed at all. I'm gonna look at Oats next on my list of people who called vivax town but said he shouldn't be mayor.
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On March 05 2024 13:41 CopCake wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2024 09:55 JacobStrangelove wrote:On March 05 2024 09:47 DarthPunk wrote:On March 05 2024 01:49 Trfel wrote:On March 05 2024 01:30 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 05 2024 01:27 Trfel wrote:
Raynpelikoneet, why do you think iamperfection is town?
I kinda think the opposite. He's been throwing side comments without getting involved or invested.
I think he is completely and utterly useless as mafia, and too lazy to form almost any reasonable trains of thoughts. I don't see it being like that here. Just look at the game that got cancelled last year for reference. Hm, maybe.... I don't really know his meta but his play feels decently scummy here. I guess I can think more about this. I lost track, what do you think about CopCake? I read over what DarthPunk was saying, I don't think it holds much water but I also don't really know CopCake's meta so who knows. Why are you implying my cake read was a meta case when it wasn't. This said the Cop case def wasn't meta. On March 05 2024 09:51 DarthPunk wrote:On March 05 2024 03:59 Rels wrote:On March 05 2024 03:47 marvellosity wrote:On March 05 2024 03:45 Rels wrote:On March 04 2024 12:28 Oatsmaster wrote:On March 04 2024 12:24 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On March 04 2024 12:19 Trfel wrote:On March 04 2024 12:16 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
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Well first off I didn't say pregame I'd vote for Palmar and then change my mind once the game started.
Secondly I don't think I've ever been a mayor before.
Thirdly I pledge to make my personal lynch a town lynch and will select whoever is the second in votes at the end of the day. Seems like an easy way to avoid the responsibility of the results of said lynch, no? And I don't understand why saying pregame that you would vote for Palmar and then changing your mind is a reason we should make you mayor? I was making a joke about Vivax saying he was going to autovote Palmar pregame and then immediately changed his mind. Imo the Mayor KP is town KP, not a oneshot Day vig. It's not about avoiding responsibility it's about giving the town a chance to pull a 2for1 on D1. Actually I'll cement that point, if I'm not going to win the mayor vote at the end of the day, I'm not going to vote for someone who hasn't also pledged to have the town decide the lynch. Wait do you not know that there is only 1 vote for day 1 and that’s for the mayor I know that's a super early post (that's actually the earliest post in my "opened waiting to be revisited" tabs). I didn't like it at the time, and I still don't like it Like, it can originate from 2 situations: town having not read the OP, or scum faking this to appear like a town having not read the OP If it comes from town, I don't understand how you can say something as assertive as "Wait do you not know that there is X" when you should know you. I know I would never write something like this without checking it a few times and making sure I'm right If it comes from scum, I can see it. That just means he played the "I'm clueless" card, and made a mistake by pushing it a little too hard Does the rest of his play change anything? No, what do you think of him? I don't understand his read on CopCake - at 2 points in the thread we had exact opposites view her play. When she was posting tea party fluff, I thought it was pure NAI and he thought it was scummy. When she pushed DP, I thought she was scummy and he thought she looked better. I don't understand why he thought CC looked better This is a great post. ##vote: Oats Not to make associations early but this would imply oats and CC are mafia together right? If so what's stronger the initial case that Cake is the mafia and oats is defending her or Oats being mafia and just flip flopping for no reason? Still think it would make more sense from your perpsective to be voting cake. Dude, make a case on me.
I made a case on you two pages ago and after you were mad at me for not addressing my issues with you, you didn't even bother with what I wrote which makes me inclined to believe you don't really have an answer since you seem very intent on defending yourself from everyone else.
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On March 05 2024 13:46 iamperfection wrote:
I have no idea what to make of DP voting me.
I have explained several times i dont want someone who already acted like an idiot to get the hands on a lynch. Say he does something stupid again what we have to just say oh well guess we just have to live with that hes "confirmed".
I have already said before that i think rayn is extremely likely to be town. I don’t think my logic is wrong. It would be insane to go as mafia to marv. Yes there is a tiny chance they are mafia together but I don’t think that is worth entertaining. I feel like only a few people have looked at this point and some have ignored it and im not sure why. He is one of the few ppl I think in the game with the balls to do it as mafia but I don’t think its likely. I have had some doubts about this but the more i think about i reach the same conclusion over and over again i don't think im wrong.
lmfao longest post you've made so far this game the second a whiff of pressure headed your way. Your issue with vivax holding the lynch is completely contrived at this point, he's going to lynch who we tell him to and if he doesn't we're gonna lynch him. It's not some nuclear weapon we're giving him and then he's just a confirmed (yes I fucking know it's not 100% but it's the best we can get for D1) townie with body guards who might be a blue and best case is pulling an RB his way each night and letting other blues work in peace.
Like I don't see what's so hard about this.
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On March 05 2024 13:48 iamperfection wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2024 13:47 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On March 05 2024 13:41 CopCake wrote:On March 05 2024 09:55 JacobStrangelove wrote:On March 05 2024 09:47 DarthPunk wrote:On March 05 2024 01:49 Trfel wrote:On March 05 2024 01:30 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 05 2024 01:27 Trfel wrote:
Raynpelikoneet, why do you think iamperfection is town?
I kinda think the opposite. He's been throwing side comments without getting involved or invested.
I think he is completely and utterly useless as mafia, and too lazy to form almost any reasonable trains of thoughts. I don't see it being like that here. Just look at the game that got cancelled last year for reference. Hm, maybe.... I don't really know his meta but his play feels decently scummy here. I guess I can think more about this. I lost track, what do you think about CopCake? I read over what DarthPunk was saying, I don't think it holds much water but I also don't really know CopCake's meta so who knows. Why are you implying my cake read was a meta case when it wasn't. This said the Cop case def wasn't meta. On March 05 2024 09:51 DarthPunk wrote:On March 05 2024 03:59 Rels wrote:On March 05 2024 03:47 marvellosity wrote:On March 05 2024 03:45 Rels wrote:On March 04 2024 12:28 Oatsmaster wrote:On March 04 2024 12:24 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
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I was making a joke about Vivax saying he was going to autovote Palmar pregame and then immediately changed his mind.
Imo the Mayor KP is town KP, not a oneshot Day vig. It's not about avoiding responsibility it's about giving the town a chance to pull a 2for1 on D1.
Actually I'll cement that point, if I'm not going to win the mayor vote at the end of the day, I'm not going to vote for someone who hasn't also pledged to have the town decide the lynch. Wait do you not know that there is only 1 vote for day 1 and that’s for the mayor I know that's a super early post (that's actually the earliest post in my "opened waiting to be revisited" tabs). I didn't like it at the time, and I still don't like it Like, it can originate from 2 situations: town having not read the OP, or scum faking this to appear like a town having not read the OP If it comes from town, I don't understand how you can say something as assertive as "Wait do you not know that there is X" when you should know you. I know I would never write something like this without checking it a few times and making sure I'm right If it comes from scum, I can see it. That just means he played the "I'm clueless" card, and made a mistake by pushing it a little too hard Does the rest of his play change anything? No, what do you think of him? I don't understand his read on CopCake - at 2 points in the thread we had exact opposites view her play. When she was posting tea party fluff, I thought it was pure NAI and he thought it was scummy. When she pushed DP, I thought she was scummy and he thought she looked better. I don't understand why he thought CC looked better This is a great post. ##vote: Oats Not to make associations early but this would imply oats and CC are mafia together right? If so what's stronger the initial case that Cake is the mafia and oats is defending her or Oats being mafia and just flip flopping for no reason? Still think it would make more sense from your perpsective to be voting cake. Dude, make a case on me. I made a case on you two pages ago and after you were mad at me for not addressing my issues with you, you didn't even bother with what I wrote which makes me inclined to believe you don't really have an answer since you seem very intent on defending yourself from everyone else. you know cake tried to cheat right. what do you make of that.
Show me where cake tried to cheat. What does that say about her alignment to you? I'm very confused by this response.
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On March 05 2024 14:00 iamperfection wrote:
because i think it make cake town lol.
It's completely NAI and any attempt at discerning something like that is ridiculous. We can talk post game about rules for people who live with each other but I in no way think that constituted cheating or at least as an alignment tell for either player. Trying to interpret it in either direction is lazy at best and scummy at worst.
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On March 05 2024 14:00 CopCake wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2024 13:22 DarthPunk wrote:On March 05 2024 13:19 CopCake wrote:On March 05 2024 07:58 justanothertownie wrote:On March 05 2024 07:56 DarthPunk wrote:On March 05 2024 07:51 iamperfection wrote:On March 05 2024 07:46 DarthPunk wrote:
Does anyone know why rayn thinks I am mafia? Probably because you want to make vivax mayor. Which is insane imo we have someone who already made a terrible decision and you want to give said person more power. He probably thinks your smarter then that and concluded you must be mafia to not see that. How is he getting more power? He is just immune to night kill, if he was getting a double vote for the rest of the game that is a different story. Having our jailkeeper with night kill immunity is really fucking powerful, at worst it soaks a rb for the rest of the game, at best it is just literally broken. It puts mafia in all sorts of uncomfortable positions where they are fucked if the RB gets lynched or shot. The vig shot or whatever can be negotiated, but I don't think vivax is bad as town regardless, and he is basically confirmed town. Why would I roll the dice on anyone who is NOT confirmed town. Rayn, marv and sandro are NOT confirmed town. Lets be real here for a second. Vivax is also not confirmed town. Idk who you are, but you won my heart with this post. Do you think he is mafia? No, I stopped to think you were but apparently you cant help but talk about me all the time. How dissapointing. I expect town DP being able to focus on something else and be more level headed. You are just blending, not being bravado. Example, koshi is bravado.
DP has, if I'm not mistaken, the largest filter in the game. This was my first issue with you all the way back 24 hours ago (lol) nothing about his play so far has blended in to me and the fact that you keep falling back on it suggests your read really hasn't evolved which I would have expected a townie to do at this point given that the thread directly contradicts your impression of his play.
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On March 04 2024 15:33 CopCake wrote:
Why are you so obsessed with me?
Is this your auto response to pressure?
Ok sell me on Jacob.
On March 05 2024 13:47 CopCake wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2024 10:09 JacobStrangelove wrote:
Hmm I guess parking vote on TTS for now.
##Vote: ToTheStars Dude you think I am mafia and you are literally voting for the same person I am lynching? Please stop blending in peoples opinions about me and get to your own conclusions. You are also another person out of character. The first game i read from you, you were funny. Here you are acting as if you were walking on toes trying not to make a sound.
I haven't played with him before and you say he's out of character. You voted TTS like 8 hours ago because he said he was going to survive late. I agree that JS's vote is really weak but is that enough for you to come off of TTS and essentially OMGUS JS? Just walk me through it bc I haven't played with him and I've got time and an open mind rn.
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On March 05 2024 14:18 CopCake wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2024 14:16 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On March 04 2024 15:33 CopCake wrote:
Why are you so obsessed with me? Is this your auto response to pressure? Ok sell me on Jacob. On March 05 2024 13:47 CopCake wrote:On March 05 2024 10:09 JacobStrangelove wrote:
Hmm I guess parking vote on TTS for now.
##Vote: ToTheStars Dude you think I am mafia and you are literally voting for the same person I am lynching? Please stop blending in peoples opinions about me and get to your own conclusions. You are also another person out of character. The first game i read from you, you were funny. Here you are acting as if you were walking on toes trying not to make a sound. I haven't played with him before and you say he's out of character. You voted TTS like 8 hours ago because he said he was going to survive late. I agree that JS's vote is really weak but is that enough for you to come off of TTS and essentially OMGUS JS? Just walk me through it bc I haven't played with him and I've got time and an open mind rn. I voted to the stars Jacob thinks I am mafia Votes to the stars He is voting for the scumread of his scumread.
Yeah I gathered that, is this different enough from the meta you referenced when you said he's acting out of character? Especially on D1 it's perfectly normal for people to have reads that don't perfectly align. He could think you were bussing, or more than likely he didn't even really notice your vote since you haven't really done much to advance your TTS read.
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On March 05 2024 14:20 CopCake wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2024 14:16 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On March 04 2024 15:33 CopCake wrote:
Why are you so obsessed with me? Is this your auto response to pressure? Ok sell me on Jacob. On March 05 2024 13:47 CopCake wrote:On March 05 2024 10:09 JacobStrangelove wrote:
Hmm I guess parking vote on TTS for now.
##Vote: ToTheStars Dude you think I am mafia and you are literally voting for the same person I am lynching? Please stop blending in peoples opinions about me and get to your own conclusions. You are also another person out of character. The first game i read from you, you were funny. Here you are acting as if you were walking on toes trying not to make a sound. I haven't played with him before and you say he's out of character. You voted TTS like 8 hours ago because he said he was going to survive late. I agree that JS's vote is really weak but is that enough for you to come off of TTS and essentially OMGUS JS? Just walk me through it bc I haven't played with him and I've got time and an open mind rn. I obvs one game with him, he is a wild person that posts a lot of gay stuff. The whole rayn/sandro/marv is a perfect scenario for his gay scenario fan fiction and is not happening. I know that sounds stupid but it is REALLY how he posted that game as town.
Ok it sounds stupid yes but I can actually understand that reasoning more than your response to his vote on your lynch target.
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I have to fly tomorrow so I need to go to bed now, activity will be spotty but I'll probably prioritize whatever is new in the thread rather than try to read every post until I get home.
I am very very interested in iamp's ultimate reads post he keeps talking about but for now I'm gonna stick with my vote on cake.
I'll have to save the oats deep dive for tomorrow afternoon.
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I just finished debriefing, I'm still at work and can't catch up on 600 posts. Can a couple of people please summarize what's happened?
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On March 06 2024 08:59 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2024 08:57 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
I just finished debriefing, I'm still at work and can't catch up on 600 posts. Can a couple of people please summarize what's happened? Palmar mafia, palmar maybe not mafia. Jat and Trfel maybe mafia Marv looking sexy in Speedos
Breezing through the voting thread it looks like JAT and Trfel are the options, I see a couple of my town reads on Trfel but I had him as town very early on. If nobody can give me a convincing reason why JAT is town I'm probably gonna vote him as I don't recall being impressed by anything he posted up through last night.
Still trying to get through shit at work but I'll check my phone until the deadline.
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I'm almost ready to leave work and will read the rest of what I missed but I still would love a summary on why trfel/why jat. The amount of catching up I have is gonna take a while.
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I just got home, ty to the people who have linked catch up posts.
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