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Guess I need to see MZ & Rels their opinion on the last pages. I think they can see it in another way.
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On March 14 2024 07:36 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On March 14 2024 07:34 Vivax wrote:On March 14 2024 07:31 Palmar wrote:On March 14 2024 07:29 Koshi wrote:On March 13 2024 21:23 Palmar wrote:On March 13 2024 12:19 Jealous wrote:
Fine, brief summary, just for clarity:
1. Several bursts of posting almost exclusively about mechanics and digging into it without ever reaching a sensible or actionable conclusion.
2. Generally not making much sense at several points. This includes constructing a completely nonsensical case against me.
3. Hypocrisy.
4. Forming a conf!town circle at the very start of the game for no good reason besides the fact that she invited them to a tea party RP, then gave them all free town passes.
5. Martyrdom.
Probably forgot one or two by now but again, if you want more and actual quotes and etc., just filter me.
By my estimation you've contributed next to nothing to town's victory for the past several cycles so even if you're not scum, I don't really feel the need to explain myself to you. I really like this post by the way. Why do you like this post? Already explained. It's the sassyness of that last sentence. I'm not talking necessarily about the conclusion it reaches, just that Jealous basically tells a guy he thinks may be town to fuck off. He's been dismissive all the time with his posts. Sassy isn't worth much if it's for the point of stifling discussion. Yeah I'm not certain he's town, just think it's kinda likely. Also, I know this sounds kinda insane, but he made a list post on day 1 that I kinda liked, and in addition I remember sandroba liking it as well, and that actually holds a lot of weight for me. Anyway, I've got an idea.
Oats instantly put it down though. I always thought that was weird.
He called it overexplaining or something.
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Ok. I need sleep.
gn all.
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On March 14 2024 06:59 Palmar wrote:
Then there's the "I open up filter and get a feeling" thing.
I think JAT is mafia every time I start reading his filter. But his posts while in the thread while I'm there are very inoffensive and borderline townie.
You voted JAT based on this? Or did I miss something else?
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Ok sure. But if I do this I change to Jealous as soon as Vivax asks.
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If Palmar is town I made so many mistakes this game. Holy fuck.
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Literally played for the mafia team.
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On March 14 2024 07:40 Palmar wrote:
I'm going to vote for jat now.
Koshi can you do it with me, feel free to go back to me later, but I want to build a small wagon on jat.
I just went quickly through jat and iamps filters. They talk a bunch with each other, but give almost no reads on each other. iamp was in some list post by jat at some point, but that was really about it. I searched for "iamp" and "jat" in each other's filter, so if they use a different name it might be wrong.
Basically, at almost no point have these two given an "hey I think this guy is X because of X" on each other. It's all just quoting each other in discussions, usually about a third party.
So here's a thing
1) @iamp: what do you think of jat and why. I know you think I'm mafia, but even if I am you'd still have to find 2 more people. Go make a towncase if he's town and scumcase if you think he's scum.
2) @jat: what do you think of iamp and why? I'm not actually up to date on your stance on me, but I remember you sheeping marv's read quite hard so you may be one of the few people who think I'm town. So go ahead and make sense of iamp, tell me if I'm wrong.
The third person is so obvious then. In a JAT/iamp team. Crazy
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Ok I got to say it.
If Palmar is town.
And that is still a big if.
CC is lock mafia for the n1 nks.
rayn was wrong about literally everything except CC and she would want him dead.
Sandroba was on CC as well.
That makes that DP was right all the time.
That makes rels his vote is correct.
That makes the iamp change to VE sus as fuck.
Etc
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MZ has been on cc as well the entire time.
Somebody also told VE that he needed to look into cc and not Palmar after he looked into me.
Fml fml fml
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On March 14 2024 11:48 iamperfection wrote:Show nested quote +On March 14 2024 11:38 iamperfection wrote:A lot of things have bothered me today. Copcake makes a case on Koshi and then just almost instantly drops it just because Jat says thats how koshi plays and then votes palmar. Why does cop just accept as true it confuses me. Meapak_Ziphh comes back after 19 hours says hes too tired to be bothered to do anything but he has found scum? and is somehow not voting???? I keep hearing this idiotic comment that marv said palmar is 90% likely to be town. I get it you guys all worship marv but his word isnt gospel and he very well would probably be saying different things if he was still alive its day 4 now marv died in night 2. Palmar really bothers me. He calls me scum because i have just been around not doing anything?? Like i said earlier you can say a lot of things about me but not engaged and not in the thick of things is certainly not one of them. I exposed the mason circle and tried to get reads from it. I correctly deduced that Rayn had to be town from the way he used it and almost immediately tried to make him mayor for it. Right or wrong i was screaming at the top of my longs to lynch tryfel it was wrong but so what. I have constantly been directing and calling out actions. I literally hammered VE in a quest for personal glory it backfired so what. To say i have been just around is objectively wrong. Now palmar says he dosnt really read the thread that he just shows hes around interacts and develops reads. I dont really feel like has done that all in this game. I think if anyone with a quarter of a brain which ill grant palmar he has a quarter of a brain could easily use meta to see i am town. This would be by FAR the largest filter i have ever had as mafia. I would also say i am much less emotional as mafia and much more reserved. My style as town requires me to post a ton and usually in quick succession. Thats why i will have mind melds which happened earlier with marv where we said the same thing. As mafia that is extremely hard for me to replicate. At least for a long period. Also as mafia its very hard for me to long posts like this were i have to fake my thoughts i just have hard time to do it. So those long list posts and posts were i collect my thoughts like i had earlier and this one quite frankly are hard for me to do. I dont think palmar is trying figure out my alignment because he is being bad or more likely just mafia. Now do i think JAT could possibly be mafia. Yes its possible he had a post earlier where he almost knew that koshi was mafia. {but iamperfection you said earlier that koshi is likely town) well first of all stfu second there is a diffrence between knowing and thinking. On March 14 2024 04:32 justanothertownie wrote:On March 14 2024 04:30 iamperfection wrote:On March 14 2024 04:28 Koshi wrote:On March 12 2024 12:40 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
Man what the fuck.
This game is going to be extremely hard if townies are gonna self-vote, I feel like that's playing against your wincon. I absolutely hate martyring so pointlessly. I think that was still 100% the right lynch.
And now we're gonna have to solve the copcake problem since she did exactly the same thing. She voted herself and peaced out when the vote was 7-4 with VE in the lead. Her vote made it 6-5, still with VE in the lead. She showed no problems with leaving her vote on randos the previous two days, and if she was scum, she had a safe place to park her vote on VE or a rando as nobody would have scumread her any harder than they already were for voting to save herself. Now granted, she didn't hammer herself, the closest she ever got was 7-6 against her 2 hours later. So, did town!cake just rage quit in the exact same manner that VE did? Or did scum!cake take a gamble, not realizing how close it was going to get? If it's the second option, Rel's desperation to save her pretty much guarantees him as scum in my eyes, but I still don't know if I can wrap my head around scum!cake doing that because the vote is so close I'd argue that's pretty close to intentionally throwing. Or maybe it's all #bigplays that I'm too stupid to understand.
I have a decent amount of thread to fully catch up on after just skimming to get through it, I focused more on the voting thread to try and figure out wtf both VE and cake were doing. I'm not surprised to see there were more shenanigans by certain people. I will also have a go at reading VE's filter although idk if there's much of a point. What a town hero does. Analyse. I kind of disagree. Feel like he just summed up what happened and listed every scenario. I don't think it's super town post. You won't convince him. At this point Koshi is not reading MZs posts critically anymore. not the biggest thing but the post bothers me. He also seems a bit apathetic to what is going on. So yes i think its possible. MZ's comeback post also bothers me and the fact that he isnt voting despite finding scum On March 14 2024 10:41 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
I'm home, had a shit day so I really don't have the energy to jump into filters right now, especially since I've already found 1 scum at minimum this cycle. I'll hang around the thread and play some league if people want my opinions on anything just ask. However in my eyes palmar is the most likely mafia. ebwop i meant to say its like jat knew both me and koshi were town up there when i talk about that
That makes more sense.
My case on JAT is that in his head with Palmar, iamp and Koshi town. All the blues. He should have a very small PoE left. But no posts in his filter tryvto steer town towards this small PoE. It's all control.
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On March 14 2024 12:15 DarthPunk wrote:Show nested quote +On March 14 2024 07:59 Koshi wrote:
Ok I got to say it.
If Palmar is town.
And that is still a big if.
CC is lock mafia for the n1 nks.
rayn was wrong about literally everything except CC and she would want him dead.
Sandroba was on CC as well.
That makes that DP was right all the time.
That makes rels his vote is correct.
That makes the iamp change to VE sus as fuck.
Etc FFS THANKYOU. I have literally been living in this world the entire fucking game. And then I get yelled at because you are being so fucking dense. My god.
I still dont want to lynch cc though.
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On March 14 2024 13:07 CopCake wrote:Show nested quote +On March 14 2024 11:38 iamperfection wrote:A lot of things have bothered me today. Copcake makes a case on Koshi and then just almost instantly drops it just because Jat says thats how koshi plays and then votes palmar. Why does cop just accept as true it confuses me. Meapak_Ziphh comes back after 19 hours says hes too tired to be bothered to do anything but he has found scum? and is somehow not voting???? I keep hearing this idiotic comment that marv said palmar is 90% likely to be town. I get it you guys all worship marv but his word isnt gospel and he very well would probably be saying different things if he was still alive its day 4 now marv died in night 2. Palmar really bothers me. He calls me scum because i have just been around not doing anything?? Like i said earlier you can say a lot of things about me but not engaged and not in the thick of things is certainly not one of them. I exposed the mason circle and tried to get reads from it. I correctly deduced that Rayn had to be town from the way he used it and almost immediately tried to make him mayor for it. Right or wrong i was screaming at the top of my longs to lynch tryfel it was wrong but so what. I have constantly been directing and calling out actions. I literally hammered VE in a quest for personal glory it backfired so what. To say i have been just around is objectively wrong. Now palmar says he dosnt really read the thread that he just shows hes around interacts and develops reads. I dont really feel like has done that all in this game. I think if anyone with a quarter of a brain which ill grant palmar he has a quarter of a brain could easily use meta to see i am town. This would be by FAR the largest filter i have ever had as mafia. I would also say i am much less emotional as mafia and much more reserved. My style as town requires me to post a ton and usually in quick succession. Thats why i will have mind melds which happened earlier with marv where we said the same thing. As mafia that is extremely hard for me to replicate. At least for a long period. Also as mafia its very hard for me to long posts like this were i have to fake my thoughts i just have hard time to do it. So those long list posts and posts were i collect my thoughts like i had earlier and this one quite frankly are hard for me to do. I dont think palmar is trying figure out my alignment because he is being bad or more likely just mafia. Now do i think JAT could possibly be mafia. Yes its possible he had a post earlier where he almost knew that koshi was mafia. {but iamperfection you said earlier that koshi is likely town) well first of all stfu second there is a diffrence between knowing and thinking. On March 14 2024 04:32 justanothertownie wrote:On March 14 2024 04:30 iamperfection wrote:On March 14 2024 04:28 Koshi wrote:On March 12 2024 12:40 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
Man what the fuck.
This game is going to be extremely hard if townies are gonna self-vote, I feel like that's playing against your wincon. I absolutely hate martyring so pointlessly. I think that was still 100% the right lynch.
And now we're gonna have to solve the copcake problem since she did exactly the same thing. She voted herself and peaced out when the vote was 7-4 with VE in the lead. Her vote made it 6-5, still with VE in the lead. She showed no problems with leaving her vote on randos the previous two days, and if she was scum, she had a safe place to park her vote on VE or a rando as nobody would have scumread her any harder than they already were for voting to save herself. Now granted, she didn't hammer herself, the closest she ever got was 7-6 against her 2 hours later. So, did town!cake just rage quit in the exact same manner that VE did? Or did scum!cake take a gamble, not realizing how close it was going to get? If it's the second option, Rel's desperation to save her pretty much guarantees him as scum in my eyes, but I still don't know if I can wrap my head around scum!cake doing that because the vote is so close I'd argue that's pretty close to intentionally throwing. Or maybe it's all #bigplays that I'm too stupid to understand.
I have a decent amount of thread to fully catch up on after just skimming to get through it, I focused more on the voting thread to try and figure out wtf both VE and cake were doing. I'm not surprised to see there were more shenanigans by certain people. I will also have a go at reading VE's filter although idk if there's much of a point. What a town hero does. Analyse. I kind of disagree. Feel like he just summed up what happened and listed every scenario. I don't think it's super town post. You won't convince him. At this point Koshi is not reading MZs posts critically anymore. not the biggest thing but the post bothers me. He also seems a bit apathetic to what is going on. So yes i think its possible. MZ's comeback post also bothers me and the fact that he isnt voting despite finding scum On March 14 2024 10:41 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
I'm home, had a shit day so I really don't have the energy to jump into filters right now, especially since I've already found 1 scum at minimum this cycle. I'll hang around the thread and play some league if people want my opinions on anything just ask. However in my eyes palmar is the most likely mafia. The me dropping the Koshi case is because no one said “good catch!” Except jelaous so I believed I was wrong
Hahahahahahaha. RIP Jealous.
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I can still lynch both Palmar and JAT.
CC I just dont know anymore. I still read her as an enigma in solitude. I dont see in what team she operates.
Palmar is just keeping this game wide open. I am upset.
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On March 14 2024 18:40 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On March 14 2024 18:35 Koshi wrote:
I can still lynch both Palmar and JAT.
CC I just dont know anymore. I still read her as an enigma in solitude. I dont see in what team she operates.
Palmar is just keeping this game wide open. I am upset. I'd be enjoying this so much if I was mafia. Really annoying that I can't skirt this line of being always under suspicion but avoiding death when I am.
I have a hard time believing this isnt mafia Palmar having fun.
If you would die right now, your flip is the only thing we got.
I havent read a sheepable read on mafia.
I havent read a sheepable read on town.
It's worse. If you would flip mafia I would not know who your mates are based on your posts.
If you flip town, do I really want to sheep this iamp read? What do I do with the Rels flipflop?
Blargh
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On March 14 2024 18:48 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On March 14 2024 12:36 Rels wrote:On March 12 2024 22:09 Palmar wrote:On March 12 2024 21:54 justanothertownie wrote:
But he can defend himself if he is town. He is a big, very important boy. Yeah no worries. It's actually kinda fun. The one thing I need, and I need other people to back me up on this. I am going to ask people why they think I am mafia, and I'm going to do it aggressively. Here's a very important point. Even if I was mafia, my teammates would absolutely want to get in on the "bus". This means that they would have to come up with good reasons to attack me. So even if townies agree that I must be mafia, be vary of who is on the train with you. And of course keep an open mind. The worst thing that can happen if I get under heavy fire is that town just shuts up and does it quietly. Essentially, if people want to hold hands and try to lynch me, I'm going to make them work for it, and in the process there is going to be a lot of information generated in the thread. The last 2 days have been pretty bad in terms of information. Oats played well but was mafia so it can all be discarded, and VE just didn't even try. That won't be the case if I'm the target. Where is this happening???? You're voting for JAT, the player that probably townreads you the most in the game I am absolutely developing reads throughout this day. I've added Koshi and you to my town circle, downgraded iamp to possible mafia, come back around on thinking jat has to be mafia.
Where did you add Rels to the town circle? I remember some TMI comment.
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On March 14 2024 07:12 Palmar wrote:
I'm just gonna go say Rels is lock town.
You said this. And then twice that Rels has TMI.
Nothing else in past 12 hours.
So weak.
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On March 12 2024 23:22 Palmar wrote:
Starting some work:
For context, I've basically considered Rels a pseudo-lurker this game, but that may not be the correct take. Due the length of the game and my sporadic availability we may not have been in the thread at the same time much.
He basically hated the same post that I hated from TTS on day 1, which is a stance I wasn't aware of. I like that take, even if it's not impossible to make as mafia.
In the next few pages I think I agreed with most of what he was saying. I honestly think he just got hypnotized by my enormous balls and ended up getting mislead, but aside from attacking me, he wasn't actually bad in the early game.
I come away thinking he's less likely to be mafia than before, but this is just preliminary work.
This is the last time you gave reasoning.
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And I read Rels early game. He was mafia on you and JAT. So... you liked him being on JAT?
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EPT
