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n March 16 2024 11:13 Jealous wrote:Show nested quote +On March 16 2024 11:05 DarthPunk wrote:On March 16 2024 11:04 Jealous wrote:On March 16 2024 11:04 DarthPunk wrote:
HAHAHAHAHAHA.
The disrespect is real. Wym? Im alive and Koshi is dead. Imma need an adult to hold my hand through this. Is lynching the most townread person always the best play? Let's assume no blue roles. I think there is a potential argument here but I'd want to hear your thoughts first.
On March 16 2024 11:24 Jealous wrote:Show nested quote +On March 16 2024 11:18 iamperfection wrote:
my hierarchy of killing for a mafia team is - Confirmed by mechanics, Strong players making sense, Players making sense, blue snipes, Strong players, the rest. See, my thinking is, if someone's reads are "too good" then lynching them might expose the scum team, right?
For someone that played since at least 2016, this is a pretty beginner question and thought process. Smells like fake interaction
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On March 17 2024 04:49 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
I mean... well done posting my entire filter for a 3 day stretch? I have been abundantly clear on what I was thinking, when I was thinking it, and why I was thinking it. It's very convenient that this case comes the day after I started putting pressure on you for whatever the fuck happened after yesterday's deadline. It's also gotten you out of having to defend or explain your scumreads of Palmar, Rels, or DMB.
Agree with this. The inconsistencies you Jealous is finding is a big part why I think you're town actually
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On March 17 2024 11:34 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:Show nested quote +On March 17 2024 11:31 Rels wrote:n March 16 2024 11:13 Jealous wrote:On March 16 2024 11:05 DarthPunk wrote:On March 16 2024 11:04 Jealous wrote:On March 16 2024 11:04 DarthPunk wrote:
HAHAHAHAHAHA.
The disrespect is real. Wym? Im alive and Koshi is dead. Imma need an adult to hold my hand through this. Is lynching the most townread person always the best play? Let's assume no blue roles. I think there is a potential argument here but I'd want to hear your thoughts first. On March 16 2024 11:24 Jealous wrote:On March 16 2024 11:18 iamperfection wrote:
my hierarchy of killing for a mafia team is - Confirmed by mechanics, Strong players making sense, Players making sense, blue snipes, Strong players, the rest. See, my thinking is, if someone's reads are "too good" then lynching them might expose the scum team, right? For someone that played since at least 2016, this is a pretty beginner question and thought process. Smells like fake interaction Rels what do you think of Jealous's post flip play? I wrote some stuff on it last night.
The Koshi dumbtell right? Very possible to do as scum, so it doesn't make me change my Jealous scumread. I don't know if it's a scumpoint by itself, maybe you could argue it's a small one since there is like 20 minutes between him talking about Koshi being dead and including him in his list post
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On March 17 2024 07:24 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:Show nested quote +On March 17 2024 07:23 Palmar wrote:On March 17 2024 07:22 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On March 17 2024 07:17 Vivax wrote:
MZ keeps saying he wants him lynched but here I am explaining to him why he can't be town Are you talking about Palmar or Jealous? If for some reason Palmar is not a viable lynch at the end of the day I will 100% be voting Jealous, I just think Palmar is much more likely to be scum and also gives us more information on Jealous/Jat/maybe Rels. A scum Palmar will reinforce my sheeping of Koshi's reads and I'll be looking back at JAT as well as Jealous. But I told you in our secret qt I’m not mafia It feels like you're just trolling at this point. I'm gonna go find some food and not stare at this forum for a bit.
"feels like"? 
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On March 17 2024 07:36 Jealous wrote:
Anyway, to switch to something more "productive," the more MZ posts and interacts with Palmar - who was also on VE - the more I am liking MZ over Palmar. Palmar also only seems to wake up when he is under pressure. He was already near the top of the scum list for me before this.
During the previous day cycle he said he was going to come after people who scum read him with questions and was going to step it up a notch. He never did.
##Unvote
##Vote: Palmar
Weird way to switch to the counter wagon. You're allowed to just say that you're voting for survival lol. I didn't see anything in the latest MZ posts that should have convinced you from your huge case on him
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On March 17 2024 11:47 DarthPunk wrote:
My current thinking is that I have been pocketed by palmar since day one, and that by defending him all game I have actively made this game way harder than it should have been.
What was the meta you were talking about?
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Caught up. Pretty locked in on Palmar / Jealous being scum, so I'm happy wiht both lynched currently. Nothing I've seen from Palmar since the flip have made me change my mind, and Jealous did a few actively scummy things: talking to MZ like he's conf scum when he wasn't at the time (he would be just after, so looking like a slip that he's already chosen his victim to filter and build a case on), the big MZ case on the very things that I think make him very likely town (his behavior D2 regarding Oats and the red check), him dropping his big case to switch to his counterwagon just afterwards for a way throwaway MZ posts.
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The Koshi dumbtell might also be a little bit more likely to come from scum, not sure if it's super strong
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On March 16 2024 19:37 Palmar wrote:I hate reading MZ so much. I'm so certain he has to be mafia for the game to make sense. And my feeling throughout the game, and even very often in his posting he sounds like passive mafia. He's never in the thick of things. He even did the same dumbass "I'll be mayor" thing that Oats did. But he's just such a genuinely likable person that I don't want to call him scum, and it makes it hard. I'm just a short bit into his filter and I need to head out now.I am going to be far less available than yesterday, so you know, if you wanna take a shot at me, your shot is today boys
I knew this was familiar. Here is a post from 4 days prior:
On March 12 2024 23:39 Palmar wrote:
Still don't like MZ, but again, it's just preliminary filtering, not a full read.
And another 2 days later:
On March 14 2024 07:20 Palmar wrote:
I need Rels to come tell me MZ is still town in his mind, I cba reading the later pages of his filter.
The more I think about it, MZ did mason me, and his literal first words were "hey I think you're town." I kinda regret now not engaging with him at all, but we're on stupid different time schedules.
So he has been reading (or possibly only claims to have read if scum) MZ's filter. Maybe only once, likely partially based on his last post, but he's done it. Why does he start again on March 16? If he's town, it's hard to believe. If he's scum, it's because he claimed to have done it, but probably just didn't and just posted what he wanted to post on MZ anyway, and then had forgotten about it a few days later.
It also clashes with this post:
On March 16 2024 18:53 Palmar wrote:
I'm not caught up since the night, so my current view of the game has not shifted at all.
I think JAT did well under pressure, and despite my eternal annoyance with iamp I don't want to lynch him. Throw in my town circle of Vivax and DP and it becomes a 4 person PoE
MZ, Rels, Jealous, dmb
Out of those I have had a reason to townread dmb at some point in the game. And while I hate how Rels "feels" in the game I may have gone overboard scumreading him on that one post yesterday. By "feels" I mean that Rels is never, ever in the thick of things. He's always on the periphery and then wades in with some takes that everyone promptly ignores.
So I am currently looking at the following lynch pool
MZ and Jealous.
Iamp, being annoying as he usually is, complained about me not talking about MZ. That is actually a really good point. To me MZ has been the most invisible player in the game. At this point I've actually done fairly good dives on jat, Rels, Vivax, and smaller dives on dmb, jealous. I'm never reading DPs filter, and I'm not letting NK wifom change my mind that he's untouchable till lylo. Then MZ and Iamp himself are the people I've not really bothered to filter at all, but based on thread stuff I've assigned them their current rankings in my head.
I don't care about finding a "scum team". Today all I want is to murder one of the people who is actually scummy. And to me I think we have at least a 50% if not 100% chance of hitting mafia between those two.
"I've not really bothered to filter at all" is provably wrong based on the 2 posts I've quoted above.
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On March 17 2024 12:13 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2024 09:10 Rels wrote:
Gotta go. I would say out of the options I have, my preference would be Palmar > JAT > random lurker (out of those, I still think TTS has the highest chance of flipping scum)
Still think Trfel is town, I would prefer any random lurker over him What bothers me here is that Rels was voting Jat but prefers to default to random lurker to spare Trfel. There‘s a lazy town perspective to be had but shouldn‘t he just try to move everyone to Jat instead ? He voted him without seeing red flags in a prior post so great excuse to not do much. And asking for random lurker after calling out TTs so early also is telling. He should have had him in mind and called for support. Hapa was already being taken care of.
Don't know what to say except that IRL got in the way. When I joined the thread late D1, I hadn't read like half of it, maybe more, so I had no idea what happened. I filtered a few people, proably only Palmar/JAT/Trfel that were the wagons and TTS for whom I was voting. I had absolutely no thread presence or control to ask for anything, just wanted to have an opinion of the wagons and vote for the one I thought would flip scum. And then I had to leave again to take care of my daughter
I was not available to do anything or try to make anyone do anything (not that it's my forte as town D1 anyway)
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On March 17 2024 12:28 DarthPunk wrote:Show nested quote +On March 07 2024 00:33 Palmar wrote:
Yeah I didn't mind Jealous' list post.
Need to punch him to be more active tomorrow, but not really a huge deal for now. Good cop check probably if someone wants to go for it, because I don't know if I can count on him stepping up transparency and activity as the game goes on.
Genius if true!!!
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On March 17 2024 12:30 DarthPunk wrote:
Rels who is the third with Pal/Jealous if you had to guess?
DMB
Partly because I scumread her, but with a lot more doubts than Jealous/Palmar
Partly because POE. I townread to some degree literally everyone else
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On March 17 2024 12:34 DarthPunk wrote:Show nested quote +On March 17 2024 12:33 Rels wrote:On March 17 2024 12:28 DarthPunk wrote:On March 07 2024 00:33 Palmar wrote:
Yeah I didn't mind Jealous' list post.
Need to punch him to be more active tomorrow, but not really a huge deal for now. Good cop check probably if someone wants to go for it, because I don't know if I can count on him stepping up transparency and activity as the game goes on. Genius if true!!! well not really, cause Oats got a redcheck. But it would explain leaving slam alone night one at least.
I meant your find
I hope it's true and we discover that Oats framed Jealous post game ...
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On March 17 2024 12:31 DarthPunk wrote:
I think it's Jat
It's objectively the one for which I shouldn't be townreading him that hard
But subjectively, I have a very hard time believeing the level of mindmeld we shared this game is fake. Everything is the same minus the Palmar read. If Jealous really is scum, it's like he's been playing against his wincon and make the game way harder for himself. You could arguee he could be playing lone wolf, but without the CopCake flip yesterday, he would have finished trapped in his own POE reads one way or the other before LYLO comes
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On March 17 2024 12:35 DarthPunk wrote:Show nested quote +On March 17 2024 12:34 Rels wrote:On March 17 2024 12:30 DarthPunk wrote:
Rels who is the third with Pal/Jealous if you had to guess?
DMB Partly because I scumread her, but with a lot more doubts than Jealous/Palmar Partly because POE. I townread to some degree literally everyone else Well I don't like that.
Yeah I got your position on DMB
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Like, we agree on things that I've not said in the thread, so it cannot be a pure "I'm gonna copy this guy" play. I agreed with him telling you that one scum game is not a scum meta for instance, and I think he's the only one that said it
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I have been reading DMB past games, kind hard to get info from it without reading the whole game again, but this might be a town tell on DMB ... this game:
On March 17 2024 10:48 die_meatbaby wrote:Show nested quote +On March 17 2024 10:46 Jealous wrote:
I'm actually curious what die "why are there two nks?!" meatbaby considers "so bad" about my play. This should be good. I know I am playing bad.
Mafia game:
On December 18 2023 08:34 die_meatbaby wrote:Show nested quote +On December 18 2023 07:52 Palmar wrote:
And I basically have the same feeling about dmb as you but I've written it off throughout the game as terrible town.
I would actually be somewhat relieved if she's mafia because then I don't have to call her bad in the postgame :D STOP CALLING ME BAD TOWN!! when we lynch you we will see that I am right
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Meh. Not as settled on DMB than I am on Palmar/Jealous. I would need a lot of convincing to lynch her oever anyone else though
And she got lynched as scum last time. So it might just be that she's playing this differently, less aggressively
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On March 17 2024 13:02 Rels wrote:
Meh. Not as settled on DMB than I am on Palmar/Jealous. I would need a lot of convincing to lynch her oever anyone else though
And she got lynched as scum last time. So it might just be that she's playing this differently, less aggressively
The first sentence should read the opposite lol, I would need a lot of convincing to lynch anyone else over her
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On March 17 2024 13:29 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On March 17 2024 13:03 Rels wrote:On March 17 2024 13:02 Rels wrote:
Meh. Not as settled on DMB than I am on Palmar/Jealous. I would need a lot of convincing to lynch her oever anyone else though
And she got lynched as scum last time. So it might just be that she's playing this differently, less aggressively The first sentence should read the opposite lol, I would need a lot of convincing to lynch anyone else over her Anyone else ? Is she your top scumread now or before you boted Palmat ?
lol
Reading my last posts, what's your best guess?
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