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Writing a towncase on Vivax is basically claiming scum.
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On March 11 2024 21:03 VisceraEyes wrote:Show nested quote +On March 11 2024 20:44 Koshi wrote:On March 11 2024 19:43 VisceraEyes wrote:
First up we have Koshi. At first I had a townread on him for his activity, in spite of saying dumb things like Oats is town. D2 he drops off considerably though, and reacts really strangely to the Oats check. Like, there's confirmation bias, and there's trying desperately to save a mafia teammate. I think we witnessed the second one on Koshi's D2. The smart play there is to lynch the check. Koshi is a smart player. That's what cops are for, to check people you think you trust to find out if you can or not. Not just that, but his TR wasn't even that strong on Oats D1, he kept saying he had to go "reread" Oats to "see if he locked in on someone" or some meta bullshit. He never did that, but continued to scream about not lynching him, the mafia Framer. In that light, the fact that he's both "too confused about the state of the game to make any real reads" and "So certain of our path forward that I don't even have to try anymore" rings massive alarm bells for me.
Verdict: Mafia Koshi
Next up is.....omg it's our esteemed mayor. Please let there be less than 20 pages. Meh. So basically because I strongly believed Oats was town. Bit weak VE. Nah it's what i said - that you WEAKLY believed Oats was town, used some fake meta to back it up that you never checked, and pushed me as an alternative for no reason. As is written. You didn't strongly believe Oats was town, you even said at the TOP OF THE POST where you town case him "or at least shouldn't be lynched today/tomorrow" and then go on to say that half your points don't even make him town. As if you didn't know who the mayor might shoot in the night making UNMASKING YOU AS ONE OF THE TEN FOOLS!!! Anyway, I think you're mafia so I'm not trying to convince you - only answer your point in order to convince everyone else. I still think you're swell even if you are trying to make me lose.
I hope you find some amusemt in the remainder of the day 
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On March 11 2024 23:45 die_meatbaby wrote:Show nested quote +On March 11 2024 20:20 Koshi wrote:On March 11 2024 17:38 CopCake wrote:On March 11 2024 16:54 Koshi wrote:On March 11 2024 10:33 Vivax wrote:
DP alive D3 warrants a better look from any competent town player.
And I think he's scum then a bunch of townies show up and make me wanna omgus them. DP never dies early. DP was not a target above others who have died. I do not understand why DP was not roleblocked. Maybe they thought he would shoot town cc. Maybe they thought they had to get 2 kills so you had to be rb. Hmm that makes sense. Or town DMB Not just me The only reason the didnt block town DP is if his pool was full of town Mafia made a mistake. Who knows why. They fucked up maybe you know why?
You are protected by MZ.
So I will only townread you.
This was not a reply to what you said. But just an announcement.
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On March 12 2024 00:00 die_meatbaby wrote:Show nested quote +On March 11 2024 23:54 die_meatbaby wrote:On March 11 2024 23:52 Koshi wrote:On March 11 2024 23:45 die_meatbaby wrote:On March 11 2024 20:20 Koshi wrote:On March 11 2024 17:38 CopCake wrote:On March 11 2024 16:54 Koshi wrote:On March 11 2024 10:33 Vivax wrote:
DP alive D3 warrants a better look from any competent town player.
And I think he's scum then a bunch of townies show up and make me wanna omgus them. DP never dies early. DP was not a target above others who have died. I do not understand why DP was not roleblocked. Maybe they thought he would shoot town cc. Maybe they thought they had to get 2 kills so you had to be rb. Hmm that makes sense. Or town DMB Not just me The only reason the didnt block town DP is if his pool was full of town Mafia made a mistake. Who knows why. They fucked up maybe you know why? You are protected by MZ. So I will only townread you. This was not a reply to what you said. But just an announcement. I could not get a Townread from you in the last 3 games. Why you trusting MZ so much that you give me a Townread, because of him? Ahh I get it. Safe the easy lynch. Maybe both wagons are Town and you don´t want that I get lynched because when we are about to lynch real mafia in the future ... you can push dmb wagon for lynch because that is as easier as taking a shit.
Ok.
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VE Jealous and JAT
My current team.
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On March 12 2024 00:18 die_meatbaby wrote:Show nested quote +On March 12 2024 00:14 Koshi wrote:On March 12 2024 00:00 die_meatbaby wrote:On March 11 2024 23:54 die_meatbaby wrote:On March 11 2024 23:52 Koshi wrote:On March 11 2024 23:45 die_meatbaby wrote:On March 11 2024 20:20 Koshi wrote:On March 11 2024 17:38 CopCake wrote:On March 11 2024 16:54 Koshi wrote:On March 11 2024 10:33 Vivax wrote:
DP alive D3 warrants a better look from any competent town player.
And I think he's scum then a bunch of townies show up and make me wanna omgus them. DP never dies early. DP was not a target above others who have died. I do not understand why DP was not roleblocked. Maybe they thought he would shoot town cc. Maybe they thought they had to get 2 kills so you had to be rb. Hmm that makes sense. Or town DMB Not just me The only reason the didnt block town DP is if his pool was full of town Mafia made a mistake. Who knows why. They fucked up maybe you know why? You are protected by MZ. So I will only townread you. This was not a reply to what you said. But just an announcement. I could not get a Townread from you in the last 3 games. Why you trusting MZ so much that you give me a Townread, because of him? Ahh I get it. Safe the easy lynch. Maybe both wagons are Town and you don´t want that I get lynched because when we are about to lynch real mafia in the future ... you can push dmb wagon for lynch because that is as easier as taking a shit. Ok. You never gave me a Townread in the past games? Why now? What's different? Why do you trust MZ so much that you see me as Town?
I decided to trust MZ unconditionally on you. On a whimp.
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Funny story. I, first time ever, got stuck in the mud with my car. Fml. Oh well.
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On March 12 2024 03:50 die_meatbaby wrote:I don´t know what do think about that. Would he vote himself out to give us a lesson about always reading his aligment wrong or does he give up and try to not give us any clues to his mates when he flip red.
Let's hope the flipping thing.
I just dont get why Palmar and I. We are pretty nullish but unlynchable I think.
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On March 12 2024 04:00 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On March 12 2024 03:54 Koshi wrote:On March 12 2024 03:50 die_meatbaby wrote:On March 12 2024 03:21 VisceraEyes wrote:
##Unvote
##Vote VE I don´t know what do think about that. Would he vote himself out to give us a lesson about always reading his aligment wrong or does he give up and try to not give us any clues to his mates when he flip red. Let's hope the flipping thing. I just dont get why Palmar and I. We are pretty nullish but unlynchable I think. When/if he dies and flips mafia he won't have told us anything at all.
True. Palmar and I are right under dp, jsl and vivax I guess. Because they cant shoot us for another 2 days. Unless they really want to keep blues alive.
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I kinda expected more from VE. As either alignment. lol
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If VE flips town (i know)
Then that would be the firdt reason that I can see CC be mafia.
Because then the rayn kill makes it more likely that he needed to go because he can read CC.
Then the VE & Palmar scumreads were at least 50% wrong.
But I dont want to go there yet.
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On March 12 2024 05:37 DarthPunk wrote:
Can anyone explain why you are all voting against the confirmed town in jsl and myself?
That is a good question lol
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On March 12 2024 05:43 DarthPunk wrote:You probably should then. The resistance to her lynch is insane btw.Like she looks terrible all game. Is called out by Rayn day one. Rayn dies night one. I still don’t know a scum read of hers other than Rels and palmar I guess. No idea why. Rels at least is a straight up omgus. The maturing and self vote were gross. I really don’t understand the town reads on her. Basicallly I’m putting it down to 1.) she is mafia or 2.) she is town and mafia are spewing tmi here.
I don't understand.
Some people townread CC (me and Vivax(maybe others))
And nobody ever in this game townread VE.
Like... What is your point?
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On March 12 2024 05:47 DarthPunk wrote:
Koshi explain why cake is town please.
Based on evidence
I'll try. Fine. I really want to do other things though.
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On March 12 2024 05:52 DarthPunk wrote:Show nested quote +On March 12 2024 05:48 Koshi wrote:On March 12 2024 05:43 DarthPunk wrote:On March 12 2024 05:40 iamperfection wrote:
I would be fine voting cake You probably should then. The resistance to her lynch is insane btw.Like she looks terrible all game. Is called out by Rayn day one. Rayn dies night one. I still don’t know a scum read of hers other than Rels and palmar I guess. No idea why. Rels at least is a straight up omgus. The maturing and self vote were gross. I really don’t understand the town reads on her. Basicallly I’m putting it down to 1.) she is mafia or 2.) she is town and mafia are spewing tmi here. I don't understand. Some people townread CC (me and Vivax(maybe others)) And nobody ever in this game townread VE. Like... What is your point? Do you not understand the idea that mafia are harder to lynch because the other mafia aren’t too enthusiastic about joining her wagon?
Well. Now that I joined forces with MZ I think Jealous is also mafia and he is not on VE.
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28 pages copcake and she is mafia? jeeezzzzzzzzzzzzzz I am not going to read all that but I will do a bit of it.
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On March 12 2024 05:54 DarthPunk wrote:Show nested quote +On March 12 2024 05:49 Koshi wrote:On March 12 2024 05:47 DarthPunk wrote:
Koshi explain why cake is town please.
Based on evidence I'll try. Fine. I really want to do other things though. I mean this is kind of important if you are town and truly believe she is town no?
Can I claim traitor again?
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[The case on why CopCake is Town.
1) What is CopCake not doing this game that is most of the time typical mafia?
- She has been from the start out there. Doing the tea party with her lock townreads to form a town circle. She has called prominent, thread sentiment people mafia. She has commented multiple time that she wants to be heard.
On March 05 2024 02:14 CopCake wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2024 02:09 Vivax wrote:
Frustrating game so far, feels like talking to a wall. Talk to me The big boys have their own party.
On March 05 2024 01:41 CopCake wrote:
I love how MZ talks about me and doesnt even bother to talk to me directly.
On March 05 2024 05:56 CopCake wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2024 05:52 DarthPunk wrote:
Copcake why are you not voting for me? Because I am town and gave you fresh air. I am not closed on you, my read evolve according to what is happening. If you are just painfully bad at reading me and tbh downgrading my game doesn't make you mafia, just a bad player at reading me.
I can't find the post in which she says iamp Vivax and DP are mafia. But that was also out there.
2) I do not feel that Copcake is pushing mafia agenda in this game ever.
If I feel anything, that is that Copcake is trying to solve the game on her own. And she is not doing that badly. She attacks DP a lot early game because she believes he is just spamming without content. She votes Slam for lying. She votes TTS based on this:
On March 05 2024 05:10 CopCake wrote:##Vote: ToTheStars Show nested quote +On March 04 2024 14:55 ToTheStars wrote:
I also have a weak townlean on DP and Vivax
You guys are so slow with your day starts though, how can you make 0 votes in first 3 pages. Show nested quote +On March 04 2024 20:36 ToTheStars wrote:
I don't think it's fair to say that I posted and then disappeared. I am not going to be playing mafia all day long. Don't expect me to post more than like 5-10 posts per 10-20 pages. Also I am not used to games with over 20 players so I'm likely going to put minimal effort until day 4 or 5, or whenever we get to a more manageable number of players (I'd say 11 living players is when I start really thriving).
I'm a he btw (because I saw somebuddy ask).
And I voted trfel because I didn't like their entrance. It felt a bit off tone-wise, like fake maybe. I am not even close to being convinced they are mafia, but where I come from you use votes to apply pressure, which allows you to develop reads better. I don't really have a grasp on the game right now or on the style of mafia you play here, so 90% of what has been posted so far sounds completely irrelevant to anyone's alignment, and tbh I'm kinda grasping at straws to have any sort of read (and still end up with extremely weak reads). But yes, I am gonna vote my weak scumread because if a wagon starts then I could use the way other players engage with it to start having more reads. You are very confident you are going to survive late.
I can all see it happen in town!CC world in which she is trying to solve the game.
I also see a lot of casual banter posts that don't feel forced or weird in a "I am scum and I try to belong" way.
On March 05 2024 06:15 CopCake wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2024 06:13 DarthPunk wrote:On March 05 2024 06:10 CopCake wrote:On March 05 2024 06:06 DarthPunk wrote:On March 05 2024 06:02 CopCake wrote:On March 05 2024 05:58 DarthPunk wrote:On March 05 2024 05:56 CopCake wrote:On March 05 2024 05:52 DarthPunk wrote:
Copcake why are you not voting for me? Because I am town and gave you fresh air. I am not closed on you, my read evolve according to what is happening. If you are just painfully bad at reading me and tbh downgrading my game doesn't make you mafia, just a bad player at reading me. What made your read evolve specifically and in what way has it evolved? And I literally caught you as mafia day one in the only game we played together so not sure how you can seriously think that I am bad at reading you. You are bad, because you got convinced otherwise. Because I made you doubt TTT, because I got my team three days without town getting us, without no lynch. We could have gone a 4th but we concede. So do not think you are an expert of reading me, if you were a top tier player you could have gotten me, marv and vivax that game. But you didnt. Your soft sissy read on me that you got first of me is not enough to call you a "cake expert". Get off your high horse, wear town shoes and try to solve the game. Can you answer the question you quoted and then didn’t answer. I took distance, and look somewhere else, giving you benefit of the doubt. Specially with all the stupid JK thing. [And my approach to you wasn't even aggressive, I even shared a bit of what I think and how I work. I even expected nice feedback but "Lol, cake is mafia hur hur hur" So, even with that, I decided to let you go because it is not beneficial to town to start another cake vs dp war. If you want to continue and go on a crussade against me is your prerogative but I am town this game. GLHF. So what do you think my alignment is now? Tbh, I dont give a fuck. You refuse to cooperate with me, asking me the same questions over and over without getting a conclusion. I will deal with you later IF i am alive next day.
She believes she might be night killed. I like to think she is genuine here.
She is also very snippy snappy towards people. She bites quite often and towards a lot of people.
Ok. I started numbering things but I cba to format this properly.
I also like this tbh:
On March 05 2024 14:10 CopCake wrote:
With that said
##Vote: Jacob
You are welcome.
On March 05 2024 14:18 CopCake wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2024 14:16 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On March 04 2024 15:33 CopCake wrote:
Why are you so obsessed with me? Is this your auto response to pressure? Ok sell me on Jacob. On March 05 2024 13:47 CopCake wrote:On March 05 2024 10:09 JacobStrangelove wrote:
Hmm I guess parking vote on TTS for now.
##Vote: ToTheStars Dude you think I am mafia and you are literally voting for the same person I am lynching? Please stop blending in peoples opinions about me and get to your own conclusions. You are also another person out of character. The first game i read from you, you were funny. Here you are acting as if you were walking on toes trying not to make a sound. I haven't played with him before and you say he's out of character. You voted TTS like 8 hours ago because he said he was going to survive late. I agree that JS's vote is really weak but is that enough for you to come off of TTS and essentially OMGUS JS? Just walk me through it bc I haven't played with him and I've got time and an open mind rn. I voted to the stars Jacob thinks I am mafia Votes to the stars He is voting for the scumread of his scumread.
To me this shows she is critical thinking about the game. It is not impossible for a mafia to make these kinda posts. But I like that a town!CC catches things like this. It shows she wants to solve the game.
Same thing basically. She is actually following up on what Vivax is writing down.
I am town and cba tbh.
On March 06 2024 01:40 CopCake wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2024 01:31 Oatsmaster wrote:On March 06 2024 01:29 CopCake wrote:
Like, I dont understand why is it so bad to question Vivax claim.
I have the right to do it if I wanted to.
Okay so outside of the claim, how is vivax mafia The claim itself is just stupid, how he wants tfrel dead considering the last game, I dont think he is scumhunting His reads Show nested quote +On March 05 2024 23:13 Vivax wrote:
I think rayn has a decent chance to flip mafia by the way.
Cop says he can't be because he'd be angrier but there's nothing that says he isn't simply more restrained in this game.
I'm moving cop out of the mafia pool just because of what Koshi said about her and good intentions. I still think she was struggling back then and took way too long to join the chorus calling my claim awful.
Iamperfection has dropped off a lot and looks a lot like Oats at this point. I just don't see any motivation to find the right lynch here. Erratic play. I believe Oats still didn't deliver an estimation of marv and Sandroba like I asked.
I don't want to lynch Palmar. I think marv is doing jack shit, and he didn't try to run for mayor for it. The Palmar vote was his first meaningful contribution, and everyone treated it like some high priest tossed a piece of metal from a pyramid and they went wild chasing it while screeching like a bunch of teenies at a rock concert.
I also think marv is kinda avoidant of DP and I know that marv has to fear DP if he's mafia. Him masoning Sandoba over DP is bad and might explain DPs lower effort.
MZ, Rels reasonable and pro-town all around but also a bit synthetic and lacking emotion for now. Not on the table for D1 I think and they have shown that they know what it takes to not lose to a casino.
DMB I think town. I liked most of the placements in her list and she had a golden opportunity to fall into her meta of antagonizing me just for fun and blending in with others doing so. I don't think she'd want a JK as mayor as mafia either.
That's about it for now. Otherwise:
Hapa joined discord and didn't post at all so I think it's due we make him the main secondary wagon that I can kill but I also need town's consent for it. Jealous works too, just make it visible please. and an hour later Show nested quote +On March 06 2024 00:10 Vivax wrote:
Slam, iamp, TTS, Hapa
Man this game is easy read progressions are not ok
Long conversation with Oats. Doesn't feel forced. Oats asks her. She answers. Nobody wants to disengage.
On March 06 2024 02:17 CopCake wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2024 02:14 marvellosity wrote:On March 06 2024 02:12 CopCake wrote:On March 06 2024 02:02 Oatsmaster wrote:On March 06 2024 01:49 CopCake wrote:On March 06 2024 01:46 Oatsmaster wrote:On March 06 2024 01:45 CopCake wrote:On March 06 2024 01:44 Oatsmaster wrote:On March 06 2024 01:40 CopCake wrote:On March 06 2024 01:31 Oatsmaster wrote:
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Okay so outside of the claim, how is vivax mafia The claim itself is just stupid, how he wants tfrel dead considering the last game, I dont think he is scumhunting His reads On March 05 2024 23:13 Vivax wrote:
I think rayn has a decent chance to flip mafia by the way.
Cop says he can't be because he'd be angrier but there's nothing that says he isn't simply more restrained in this game.
I'm moving cop out of the mafia pool just because of what Koshi said about her and good intentions. I still think she was struggling back then and took way too long to join the chorus calling my claim awful.
Iamperfection has dropped off a lot and looks a lot like Oats at this point. I just don't see any motivation to find the right lynch here. Erratic play. I believe Oats still didn't deliver an estimation of marv and Sandroba like I asked.
I don't want to lynch Palmar. I think marv is doing jack shit, and he didn't try to run for mayor for it. The Palmar vote was his first meaningful contribution, and everyone treated it like some high priest tossed a piece of metal from a pyramid and they went wild chasing it while screeching like a bunch of teenies at a rock concert.
I also think marv is kinda avoidant of DP and I know that marv has to fear DP if he's mafia. Him masoning Sandoba over DP is bad and might explain DPs lower effort.
MZ, Rels reasonable and pro-town all around but also a bit synthetic and lacking emotion for now. Not on the table for D1 I think and they have shown that they know what it takes to not lose to a casino.
DMB I think town. I liked most of the placements in her list and she had a golden opportunity to fall into her meta of antagonizing me just for fun and blending in with others doing so. I don't think she'd want a JK as mayor as mafia either.
That's about it for now. Otherwise:
Hapa joined discord and didn't post at all so I think it's due we make him the main secondary wagon that I can kill but I also need town's consent for it. Jealous works too, just make it visible please. and an hour later On March 06 2024 00:10 Vivax wrote:
Slam, iamp, TTS, Hapa
Man this game is easy read progressions are not ok Out of curiosity, have you played with vivax before? And secondly, have you read the game you linked earlier? Yeah, I have played with Vivax and yeah, that is why I said Tfrel MVP there. So with what you linked, how is that not typical vivax? He literally does that that’s vivax I do not understand his claim, when he knows he might suffer the danger of getting misslynched anyways because the claim is just so bad to be true. Which makes me believe that he could be mafia with at least two big names. I want to rule out that probability, as easy as that. Yes you said this already. The question I’m asking is if you think he’s mafia then there has to be things other than the claim that he’s doing that’s scummy How many times has vivax said he wants tfrel dead? How many votes have Tfrel gotten? On March 05 2024 23:58 Grackaroni wrote:
Day One Vote Count
Mayor
Vivax (10): raynpelikoneet, Rels, Vivax, DarthPunk, die_meatbaby, Koshi, Alakaslam, JacobStrangelove, Meapak_Ziphh, marvellosity, Palmar
raynpelikoneet (2): JacobStrangelove, Alakaslam, raynpelikoneet, Iamperfection, raynpelikoneet
Oatsmaster (1): Oatsmaster
Koshi (1): Koshi, justanothertownie
Not Voting (7): sandroba, Trfel, Jealous, CopCake, Hapahauli, ToTheStars, VisceraEyes
With 9 votes, Vivax is currently set to be elected!
Lynch
Palmar (5) : marvellosity, justanothertownie, Alakaslam, sandroba, DarthPunk, Koshi
ToTheStars (2): Rels, CopCake, JacobStrangelove
Oatsmaster (2) : Vivax, VisceraEyes, DarthPunk
VisceraEyes (2): iamperfection, sandroba, Vivax, Oatsmaster
Justanothertownie (2): sandroba, Palmar
JacobStrangelove (1): CopCake, DarthPunk
DarthPunk (1) : raynpelikoneet
CopCake (1): Oatsmaster, DarthPunk, Meapak_Ziphh
iamperfection (0): DarthPunk
Koshi (0) : JacobStrangelove, Oatsmaster, sandroba
raynpelikoneet (0) : DarthPunk
Alakaslam (0) Oatsmaster, CopCake
Vivax (0): Alakaslam
Not Voting(5): Trfel, Jealous, die_meatbaby, Hapahauli, ToTheStars
With 5 votes, Palmar is currently set to be lynched!
Let me know if you see any votes misplaced
The deadline is Wednesday, Mar 06 3:00am GMT (GMT+00:00), which is in
Do you not think that is weird? Why is it weird? If you have town attention because you are a PR, and you think this person is certain mafia, why not start a wagon there? Why go for an inactive? "Oh he was inactive" (I know Oats is not inactive anymore)
I don't know what to do with this but I just like Copcake.
On March 06 2024 02:56 CopCake wrote:
I will also peace out if the thread wants to talk about something else besides my insane theory.
You do what you do.
On March 06 2024 11:57 CopCake wrote:
So, just arrived
You are going to lynch Tfrel when yesterday he had a cake on his username? So maybr he is absent for his birthday?
Ok.
On March 06 2024 12:09 CopCake wrote:
You are so bad
On March 06 2024 12:12 CopCake wrote:
In before, cake why were you so sure Tfrel was town? Only mafia can be like that 🧟♀️
I wasnt sure, but I stated why Tfrel is a good player AND it was probably his real birthday today, we saw a birthday cake in his username and he said he was unaware, so if he id mia maybe it is because of the celebration.
It has sass, it has insanity, like... how does this not read as somebody alone just playing the game; saying what she thinks?
Again sassy, against red Oats.
"You are not worthy to play with me"
But it just doesn't feel forced nor did she then make Oats mafia or something.
Oats played us all very well.
On March 06 2024 12:24 CopCake wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2024 12:19 Oatsmaster wrote:
Scummy for copcake to come in here and shit on the lynch without being here Scummy? I spent part of the day yesterday explaining why Tfrel is a good player and why I knight deffended him. You should know that, you were here yesterday asking me for the vivax thing. So bad, you are not worth to playing with me. I will be an ass like most of you and only care for what rayn,slam and marv have to say. And VE. And maybe jacob because he is funny. So live in your “we might jailkeeper mayor, happa mafia gave up because of thay hur hur” illusion.
Fair and thought out reasoning why she thought Tfrel was town
On March 06 2024 12:33 CopCake wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2024 12:27 Rels wrote:
Meh on Trfel being lynched, I would have lynched over half the game before him I glanced at the Tfrel list and I saw big names, I need to read the whole thread progession but yesterday it was discussed that Tfrel is “scummy” for his lack of participation of the thread. Some *big names* or big name deffended him also saying he was a good player. Need to see who it was and if he ended up lynching him. I made a comparasion of how he acted in the last game and saw the number of posts he made. So if “being inactive” is the reason and a big player did that, I think it is a very good place where to look for a mafia.
Still tunneled and therefore:
On March 06 2024 13:12 CopCake wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2024 07:27 Koshi wrote:On March 06 2024 07:25 DarthPunk wrote:On March 05 2024 21:30 Koshi wrote:On March 05 2024 11:13 sandroba wrote:On March 05 2024 10:58 DarthPunk wrote:On March 05 2024 10:54 sandroba wrote:
I feel like it's harder to argue against vivax mayor as mafia. Rels and palmar both entered the thread with that mindset. Pretty much ignored most of what happened for most of the thread but making sure they say what they were supposed to say as town about the vivax claim as soon as possible.
There are obviously town reasons to mayor vivax, but there is some reluctance I expect from townies. I think the over-eagerness to jump on the vivax train right away points to mafia. Hard disagree. I find people who just accept it for what it is and make the correct play in regards to him is townie. The scummy thing is talking around in circles about how shit vivax’s claim was, that he might not be town or if he is he is not confirmed It’s a huge waste of time and shits up the thread and is also incredibly easy content to fake. I found palmars approach to the situation very townie for example Are you still lock town on trfel btw? Didn't see much of people saying he might not be town. Shitting up the thread discussing the claim being bad I agree, CopCake is the main person I saw driving the discussion back to that. I think saying he is prob town and prob not the best mayor, at least initially is the reaction I would expect from townies. Remember, even though scum might not want something, it's hard to actually push something when you think it would be obvious anti-town. Scum wants to hide and push things in a subtle way. Not locked town on trfel since he hasn't been very active, but wouldn't lynch him d1 in a million years. What he has posted so far after the initial setup-focused posts looked super townie to me. I really really really don't see that. Last game I was so sure he was town. What is he doing here? Everytime he gets pressured he moves away from it. Slam asks him about Oats. He gives a good answer but it lacks conviction. It looks way more as a mafia seeing Town!Oats be inquisitive than a townie figuring out Town!Oats is inquisitive. Slam then pressures on and while replying to somebody else he @slam and disengages with him. This can't be the same Tfrel as last game? You went 4 days with him. Under pressure by marv/DP/rayn iirc. This looks the same to you? I should follow your lead on him but it seems impossible. This is a good post. Probably trfel is mafia. Yeah maybe but CC and sandroba are town and they are townreading tfrel. So don't fuck up their game and lynch Tfrel over Hapa and Palmar. With this, I mean, DP tried to put the Tfrel blame on Koshi.
This also felt like a very natural conclusion to the catch up she did. Because she was focused on everything around Tfrel.
On March 06 2024 13:18 CopCake wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2024 07:55 Koshi wrote:
DP, can you do me a favor?
When closer to deadline, can you take a step back and feel the thread? Try to feel if the players that came back to the thread are pushing an agenda?
I think the last 12 hours town had control over the thread, I fear that the mafia let us be, and will come back once we are asleep.
I could name some people but that wont be fair to them.
marv should not be shaded during the next hours. There is no need for that. He left the masons and came to play in the thread, that is a positive thing.
My remaining nulls/scumreads went into hiding.
Do not shade marv until we see palmar flip town. There is no reason to doubt marv his alignment.
Remember marv posted reads in mason chat and rayn hard townread marv for it. Town Koshi is invited to my party
She was hyperfocused on tfrel getting lynched. Her 3 names explained:
On March 06 2024 14:10 CopCake wrote:
Like it makes a lot of sense in my head that DP wanted Tfrel out.
The way the lynch started was instigated by DP but the first vote was by Iamp.
Same with Vivax. He wanted Tfrel out but didnt move a finger until later when someone else did the Dirty work.
I think that Iamp have to do it because if not, the wagon wouldnt have started.
Anyways, I have problems only with DMB believing Vivax 100% claim but other than that she is being her usual self.
Like... You can not agree with it, but it makes sense in her story and in her attempt to solve the game.
Would she type that before the rayn nk?
We are getting into wifom shit but I am bored atm
On March 06 2024 22:29 CopCake wrote:
Rayn, if you think I am mafia for that then I guess you are mafia.
You should know me better than anyone.
I was trying to understand Palmars approch because he came to me nicely trying to teach me “how to play mafia” so I put in the shoes to understand why he thinks DP is town if he is town.
So in that interaction, considering Palmar as town I said “you consider DP town because he pocketed you”.
Again shows she is reading and remembering. Trying to solve.
On March 06 2024 22:41 CopCake wrote:
For isntance, that list was based on how people acted to the end of the day before the lynch.
Ie. No one is questioning vivax:
Happa probably gave up because he is mafia
Tfrel is hiding because he is mafia
Rayn is crying in copcakes arms
Nobody touches my girlfriend because she gives good head
I am so right and you are idiots hur hur hur
When vivax was mafia with me he did the same. 🤷🏽♀️
He even said something like he would avenge Dumb.
she is also quickfiring here↑. At least 10 posts; always 3-4 minutes apart. Lot's of topics. I wont quote them but again. Easy as town solving game, really hard as mafia.
On March 06 2024 23:01 CopCake wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2024 22:59 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 06 2024 22:58 CopCake wrote:On March 06 2024 22:56 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 06 2024 22:55 CopCake wrote:On March 06 2024 22:52 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 06 2024 22:49 CopCake wrote:
And if we go by that
Cake calls mafia Palmar and DP/vivax/iamp
You call mafia Palmar
So I guess you assume I throwed my teamate there just because?
You didnt call Palmar mafia when you called DP/vivax/iamp mafia originally. Because i wrote the names of the people who caught my eye the most. So now answer me. Do I throw my scummates, yes or not? yes You are just mafia then. I dont understand? You know I dont do that.
I believe CC.
Way later she is still saying the same thing about the 4 veterans. She just believes it.
On March 07 2024 03:22 CopCake wrote:Show nested quote +On March 07 2024 03:21 justanothertownie wrote:On March 07 2024 03:20 CopCake wrote:On March 07 2024 03:14 justanothertownie wrote:On March 07 2024 03:12 CopCake wrote:On March 06 2024 12:39 DarthPunk wrote:On March 06 2024 12:37 CopCake wrote:
So my theory is that Tfrel got lynched because mafia big boys are scared of him. He got lynched because of his end of day posts.I was about to swap to JAT and he basically claimed mafia ITT O_o Who are the mafia big boys who lynched Trfel though? My filter is there. Why are you asking me this? Because I thought you might enlighten me without me having to go to your filter. DP obviously. Who else? Iamp, Vivax, Palmar
On March 07 2024 12:49 CopCake wrote:Show nested quote +On March 07 2024 12:00 DarthPunk wrote:Darthpunk's last will and testament.Basically I have been trying to sort people since the flips and my reads have been changing a bit. but i'll post a brief summary here as guidance and reads. And also so that i can prevent what I think are some of the biggest potential errors moving forward. Do not lynch tier:Palmar: He has looked really town since he started playing in the second part of day 1, in addition to my original reasons for not wanting him to be lynched (mindmeld with sandro, emotional congruence, effort to post reads when all was looking doomed) I think he has continued to look good, I find myself agreeing with his perspectives, I see hints of trolling, I think him and marv are vibing. The interaction with cake's shit takes was really townie to me. IT IS IMPORTANT YOU DON"T LYNCH PALMAR- can't stress this enough, no idea why people are getting stuck on small shit that doesn't matter, for example, rayn if you are town, it is well known that palmar doesn't do associative reads. The whole mason shit is a useless direction. This is probably the biggest throw for town imo. SandroIs just getting down to business scumhunting and sorting. I think he is the best player to sheep this game if you are lost. OatsmasterHis play this game reminds me of his play in the last game where he was town, he is being smart, pushing in good directions and generally looks super town to me. VivaxBeen discussed to death, he is the town JK in my opinion. PerfectionLooked town all game pretty much, some of his takes I think are wrong, I think he looked really town around the lynch. Also his scum play was terribad last time so I don't think this is that. Probably town tierKoshiI was debating putting him in the tier above, because he has looked really townie all game, and dramatically different to his mafia game, which was really lackluster. I don't think he pushes marv and rayn in the way he did as mafia. There are a couple of things that give me pause to him being 'lock' town, first of all is a post where he is aggressively pushing rayn and then kind of completely reverses On March 05 2024 20:37 Koshi wrote:On March 05 2024 20:33 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Thankfully i can play the game with marv, it's much more enjoyable than this thread. I admit I came in too strong. But rereading it, it was too strong but luckily not over the top. But it is fair you got annoyed. Seeing my case and my post you must understand why I can't let you be Mayor right? It's just not enough to earn it. Vivax did you dirty by claiming but there should not be a competition about the Mayor today. Can you vote vivax? You are 99.98% on him. I am interested in your reads on JAT and Rels. Just for my sake. Because I will not be able to read them today. I think it makes it clear the aggression was at least somewhat ingenuine. I still think he is town but yeah not as confident as I was, also don't like the casually mentioning me as a possible mafia candidate after it seemed like I was lock town all game, but maybe that was NK wifom. :D I am waiting for a 'smart' koshi moment and push which I haven't seen yet. RaynHonestly this was a hard one for me to sort, there are times when i thought he was town and other times where I thought he was mafia. I still don't really understand the way he has been interacting with me this game, it felt 'different' than normal. I thought it made him mafia, but currently I am putting it down to the fact he just thinks I am bad. I think his best moments came this night when he went into 'solver mode' with JAT. and I think he had a really good push on cake, and subsequent ideas on DMB which I think are likely correct. So town, the palmar/rayn shit started looking very TvT to me too. so there is that. I don't think he is as correct as he assumes (like every game) but town. SlamUn CC'd cop (fuck you VE  ) also looked town around the end of day chaos. MarvHas been playing a solid game so far, in the back of my mind I always think he is mafia for engagement tells, but when I was wrong last game I decided to shelve that as old meta. I think he is mafia he will slip up later, It's kind of weird for town!marv to not call me mafia but i don't really think he is mafia either. Biggest town tell for him I think is his penchant for defending weaker scummy players like copcake. Also the shit with trfel, where he was really sad about reading the lynch, and the town read on hapa, both those pinged me as genuine and townie. Possible mafia/possible townRels:He has looked logical when he posts, but his wasted vote and push on palmar was a big red flag where it was useless and he wasn't really trying that hard to take thread control and change the lynch. lack of investment could be explained by IRL matters, but I also think Rels could be mafia. Also I remember him being WAY more aggressive as town. Like old school DP levels of aggression. Here he is just reasonable and meh. MZI feel like he has been flying under the radar a bit, I liked his push on Cake, I liked his push on JSL less. Calling me never lynch tier could be a possible pocketing attempt but also could be just because I tend to call him town when noone else does and we have vibed a few times this game. Needs to do more for sure. JealousMost likely to be scum out of these. i liked the open and transparent reasoning in his list post. I think he has looked worse ever since. The formulaic waffle of both sides of an argument is easy to just go through the motions with as mafia. The way he is hard defending me from people also pings me a bit. I can defend myself, why is he not considering those arguments for why I am mafia? Could be a pocketing attempt. TTS: Lurker.
JAT:Looked really bad for the reasons outlined earlier by sandro and palmar day one. I just don't think it makes sense he is mafia if palmar and trfel were town, he did this thing where he waited to swap to trefl even when i threatened to lynch him for it. Doesn't really make sense for mafia to do that. His posting has been looking good recently in its own right, particularly when interacting with Marv/Rayn Mafia tierDMB: The vote and case on me gave me pause for a bit, because of the WIFOM argument of why she would do it, but then refusing to give reads refusing to engage, talking about how exhausted I made her, all points to mafia, and then she actually immediately USED the WIFOM argument in her own defence. Basically I think her and Cake are partnered, their push on me is basically the same, and they have waffled on their reads of each other. Kind of calling each other scummy and kind of not, and then kind of ignoring each other, but they both have the same top scum read since early on so none of that is natural or normal if they are both town. Looks like classic distancing to me. I think DMB is showing the same traits this game as her previous game where she just tunnelled palmar IIRC and couldn't really form any other reads about the game. Same thing here, I was trying to see if she had thought about anyone else, but no. In her world 26 page DP is scum but she doesn't have the ability to scum read anyone else. I don;t buy that at all. CakeI am running out of time so I can't grab the posts, but I think rayn was on the right track here at night. She apparently has 4 scum reads but can only talk about me, same thing happened in her last scum read, just got tunnelled on 1-2 players and didn;t look elsewhere. I gave her space to see if she would do something else, but she ended up just talking about me some more, all the things that apply to dmb re:cake above apply to cake re: dmb here. I think marv is being super unhelpful by defending her when she is slipping really really hard. JSL:Lack of suspicion, didnt do anything with the encouragement on the koshi slip. Soft defending DMB. All the stuff sandro posted. Also I forgot he told me before he would be engaged as mafia, so the engagement is a null tell for him. VEI really hate this but he just looks scummy and disengaged. I hope I am wrong so I don;t have to lynch him but I don;t think I am wrong, I think he is just mafia which sucks. Ok one minute to go. GL if I don;t see you on the other side. You deffended Jacob ALL DAY and NIGHT and now he is mafia?
Again. Good observation and I need to double check if this is true. Because I will vote Jealous tomorrow.
Ok. she quoted DP and not Jacob so ignore the entire thing.
WIFOM but I like it more from town CC:
On March 07 2024 13:08 CopCake wrote:
Rayns dead is weird
🤔
I quit here because enough is enough.
I will never vote CC.
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I don't understand how I wasted 30 mins on that.
You can discuss it with me in a next day if she is still alive.
I need to do something else than being stuck in the mud, eat and read mafia now.
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On March 12 2024 06:37 die_meatbaby wrote:Show nested quote +On March 12 2024 06:31 Koshi wrote:[The case on why CopCake is Town. 1) What is CopCake not doing this game that is most of the time typical mafia? - She has been from the start out there. Doing the tea party with her lock townreads to form a town circle. She has called prominent, thread sentiment people mafia. She has commented multiple time that she wants to be heard. On March 05 2024 02:14 CopCake wrote:On March 05 2024 02:09 Vivax wrote:
Frustrating game so far, feels like talking to a wall. Talk to me The big boys have their own party. On March 05 2024 01:41 CopCake wrote:
I love how MZ talks about me and doesnt even bother to talk to me directly. On March 05 2024 05:56 CopCake wrote:On March 05 2024 05:52 DarthPunk wrote:
Copcake why are you not voting for me? Because I am town and gave you fresh air. I am not closed on you, my read evolve according to what is happening. If you are just painfully bad at reading me and tbh downgrading my game doesn't make you mafia, just a bad player at reading me. I can't find the post in which she says iamp Vivax and DP are mafia. But that was also out there. 2) I do not feel that Copcake is pushing mafia agenda in this game ever. If I feel anything, that is that Copcake is trying to solve the game on her own. And she is not doing that badly. She attacks DP a lot early game because she believes he is just spamming without content. She votes Slam for lying. She votes TTS based on this: On March 05 2024 05:10 CopCake wrote:##Vote: ToTheStars On March 04 2024 14:55 ToTheStars wrote:
I also have a weak townlean on DP and Vivax
You guys are so slow with your day starts though, how can you make 0 votes in first 3 pages. On March 04 2024 20:36 ToTheStars wrote:
I don't think it's fair to say that I posted and then disappeared. I am not going to be playing mafia all day long. Don't expect me to post more than like 5-10 posts per 10-20 pages. Also I am not used to games with over 20 players so I'm likely going to put minimal effort until day 4 or 5, or whenever we get to a more manageable number of players (I'd say 11 living players is when I start really thriving).
I'm a he btw (because I saw somebuddy ask).
And I voted trfel because I didn't like their entrance. It felt a bit off tone-wise, like fake maybe. I am not even close to being convinced they are mafia, but where I come from you use votes to apply pressure, which allows you to develop reads better. I don't really have a grasp on the game right now or on the style of mafia you play here, so 90% of what has been posted so far sounds completely irrelevant to anyone's alignment, and tbh I'm kinda grasping at straws to have any sort of read (and still end up with extremely weak reads). But yes, I am gonna vote my weak scumread because if a wagon starts then I could use the way other players engage with it to start having more reads. You are very confident you are going to survive late. I can all see it happen in town!CC world in which she is trying to solve the game. I also see a lot of casual banter posts that don't feel forced or weird in a "I am scum and I try to belong" way. On March 05 2024 06:15 CopCake wrote:On March 05 2024 06:13 DarthPunk wrote:On March 05 2024 06:10 CopCake wrote:On March 05 2024 06:06 DarthPunk wrote:On March 05 2024 06:02 CopCake wrote:On March 05 2024 05:58 DarthPunk wrote:On March 05 2024 05:56 CopCake wrote:On March 05 2024 05:52 DarthPunk wrote:
Copcake why are you not voting for me? Because I am town and gave you fresh air. I am not closed on you, my read evolve according to what is happening. If you are just painfully bad at reading me and tbh downgrading my game doesn't make you mafia, just a bad player at reading me. What made your read evolve specifically and in what way has it evolved? And I literally caught you as mafia day one in the only game we played together so not sure how you can seriously think that I am bad at reading you. You are bad, because you got convinced otherwise. Because I made you doubt TTT, because I got my team three days without town getting us, without no lynch. We could have gone a 4th but we concede. So do not think you are an expert of reading me, if you were a top tier player you could have gotten me, marv and vivax that game. But you didnt. Your soft sissy read on me that you got first of me is not enough to call you a "cake expert". Get off your high horse, wear town shoes and try to solve the game. Can you answer the question you quoted and then didn’t answer. I took distance, and look somewhere else, giving you benefit of the doubt. Specially with all the stupid JK thing. [And my approach to you wasn't even aggressive, I even shared a bit of what I think and how I work. I even expected nice feedback but "Lol, cake is mafia hur hur hur" So, even with that, I decided to let you go because it is not beneficial to town to start another cake vs dp war. If you want to continue and go on a crussade against me is your prerogative but I am town this game. GLHF. So what do you think my alignment is now? Tbh, I dont give a fuck. You refuse to cooperate with me, asking me the same questions over and over without getting a conclusion. I will deal with you later IF i am alive next day. She believes she might be night killed. I like to think she is genuine here. She is also very snippy snappy towards people. She bites quite often and towards a lot of people. Ok. I started numbering things but I cba to format this properly. I also like this tbh: On March 05 2024 14:10 CopCake wrote:
With that said
##Vote: Jacob
You are welcome. On March 05 2024 14:18 CopCake wrote:On March 05 2024 14:16 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On March 04 2024 15:33 CopCake wrote:
Why are you so obsessed with me? Is this your auto response to pressure? Ok sell me on Jacob. On March 05 2024 13:47 CopCake wrote:On March 05 2024 10:09 JacobStrangelove wrote:
Hmm I guess parking vote on TTS for now.
##Vote: ToTheStars Dude you think I am mafia and you are literally voting for the same person I am lynching? Please stop blending in peoples opinions about me and get to your own conclusions. You are also another person out of character. The first game i read from you, you were funny. Here you are acting as if you were walking on toes trying not to make a sound. I haven't played with him before and you say he's out of character. You voted TTS like 8 hours ago because he said he was going to survive late. I agree that JS's vote is really weak but is that enough for you to come off of TTS and essentially OMGUS JS? Just walk me through it bc I haven't played with him and I've got time and an open mind rn. I voted to the stars Jacob thinks I am mafia Votes to the stars He is voting for the scumread of his scumread. To me this shows she is critical thinking about the game. It is not impossible for a mafia to make these kinda posts. But I like that a town!CC catches things like this. It shows she wants to solve the game. Same thing basically. She is actually following up on what Vivax is writing down. I am town and cba tbh. On March 06 2024 01:40 CopCake wrote:On March 06 2024 01:31 Oatsmaster wrote:On March 06 2024 01:29 CopCake wrote:
Like, I dont understand why is it so bad to question Vivax claim.
I have the right to do it if I wanted to.
Okay so outside of the claim, how is vivax mafia The claim itself is just stupid, how he wants tfrel dead considering the last game, I dont think he is scumhunting His reads On March 05 2024 23:13 Vivax wrote:
I think rayn has a decent chance to flip mafia by the way.
Cop says he can't be because he'd be angrier but there's nothing that says he isn't simply more restrained in this game.
I'm moving cop out of the mafia pool just because of what Koshi said about her and good intentions. I still think she was struggling back then and took way too long to join the chorus calling my claim awful.
Iamperfection has dropped off a lot and looks a lot like Oats at this point. I just don't see any motivation to find the right lynch here. Erratic play. I believe Oats still didn't deliver an estimation of marv and Sandroba like I asked.
I don't want to lynch Palmar. I think marv is doing jack shit, and he didn't try to run for mayor for it. The Palmar vote was his first meaningful contribution, and everyone treated it like some high priest tossed a piece of metal from a pyramid and they went wild chasing it while screeching like a bunch of teenies at a rock concert.
I also think marv is kinda avoidant of DP and I know that marv has to fear DP if he's mafia. Him masoning Sandoba over DP is bad and might explain DPs lower effort.
MZ, Rels reasonable and pro-town all around but also a bit synthetic and lacking emotion for now. Not on the table for D1 I think and they have shown that they know what it takes to not lose to a casino.
DMB I think town. I liked most of the placements in her list and she had a golden opportunity to fall into her meta of antagonizing me just for fun and blending in with others doing so. I don't think she'd want a JK as mayor as mafia either.
That's about it for now. Otherwise:
Hapa joined discord and didn't post at all so I think it's due we make him the main secondary wagon that I can kill but I also need town's consent for it. Jealous works too, just make it visible please. and an hour later On March 06 2024 00:10 Vivax wrote:
Slam, iamp, TTS, Hapa
Man this game is easy read progressions are not ok Long conversation with Oats. Doesn't feel forced. Oats asks her. She answers. Nobody wants to disengage. On March 06 2024 02:17 CopCake wrote:On March 06 2024 02:14 marvellosity wrote:On March 06 2024 02:12 CopCake wrote:On March 06 2024 02:02 Oatsmaster wrote:On March 06 2024 01:49 CopCake wrote:On March 06 2024 01:46 Oatsmaster wrote:On March 06 2024 01:45 CopCake wrote:On March 06 2024 01:44 Oatsmaster wrote:
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Out of curiosity, have you played with vivax before?
And secondly, have you read the game you linked earlier? Yeah, I have played with Vivax and yeah, that is why I said Tfrel MVP there. So with what you linked, how is that not typical vivax? He literally does that that’s vivax I do not understand his claim, when he knows he might suffer the danger of getting misslynched anyways because the claim is just so bad to be true. Which makes me believe that he could be mafia with at least two big names. I want to rule out that probability, as easy as that. Yes you said this already. The question I’m asking is if you think he’s mafia then there has to be things other than the claim that he’s doing that’s scummy How many times has vivax said he wants tfrel dead? How many votes have Tfrel gotten? On March 05 2024 23:58 Grackaroni wrote:
Day One Vote Count
Mayor
Vivax (10): raynpelikoneet, Rels, Vivax, DarthPunk, die_meatbaby, Koshi, Alakaslam, JacobStrangelove, Meapak_Ziphh, marvellosity, Palmar
raynpelikoneet (2): JacobStrangelove, Alakaslam, raynpelikoneet, Iamperfection, raynpelikoneet
Oatsmaster (1): Oatsmaster
Koshi (1): Koshi, justanothertownie
Not Voting (7): sandroba, Trfel, Jealous, CopCake, Hapahauli, ToTheStars, VisceraEyes
With 9 votes, Vivax is currently set to be elected!
Lynch
Palmar (5) : marvellosity, justanothertownie, Alakaslam, sandroba, DarthPunk, Koshi
ToTheStars (2): Rels, CopCake, JacobStrangelove
Oatsmaster (2) : Vivax, VisceraEyes, DarthPunk
VisceraEyes (2): iamperfection, sandroba, Vivax, Oatsmaster
Justanothertownie (2): sandroba, Palmar
JacobStrangelove (1): CopCake, DarthPunk
DarthPunk (1) : raynpelikoneet
CopCake (1): Oatsmaster, DarthPunk, Meapak_Ziphh
iamperfection (0): DarthPunk
Koshi (0) : JacobStrangelove, Oatsmaster, sandroba
raynpelikoneet (0) : DarthPunk
Alakaslam (0) Oatsmaster, CopCake
Vivax (0): Alakaslam
Not Voting(5): Trfel, Jealous, die_meatbaby, Hapahauli, ToTheStars
With 5 votes, Palmar is currently set to be lynched!
Let me know if you see any votes misplaced
The deadline is Wednesday, Mar 06 3:00am GMT (GMT+00:00), which is in
Do you not think that is weird? Why is it weird? If you have town attention because you are a PR, and you think this person is certain mafia, why not start a wagon there? Why go for an inactive? "Oh he was inactive" (I know Oats is not inactive anymore) I don't know what to do with this but I just like Copcake. On March 06 2024 02:56 CopCake wrote:
I will also peace out if the thread wants to talk about something else besides my insane theory.
You do what you do. On March 06 2024 11:57 CopCake wrote:
So, just arrived
You are going to lynch Tfrel when yesterday he had a cake on his username? So maybr he is absent for his birthday?
Ok. On March 06 2024 12:09 CopCake wrote:
You are so bad On March 06 2024 12:12 CopCake wrote:
In before, cake why were you so sure Tfrel was town? Only mafia can be like that 🧟♀️
I wasnt sure, but I stated why Tfrel is a good player AND it was probably his real birthday today, we saw a birthday cake in his username and he said he was unaware, so if he id mia maybe it is because of the celebration. It has sass, it has insanity, like... how does this not read as somebody alone just playing the game; saying what she thinks? Again sassy, against red Oats. "You are not worthy to play with me" But it just doesn't feel forced nor did she then make Oats mafia or something. Oats played us all very well. On March 06 2024 12:24 CopCake wrote:On March 06 2024 12:19 Oatsmaster wrote:
Scummy for copcake to come in here and shit on the lynch without being here Scummy? I spent part of the day yesterday explaining why Tfrel is a good player and why I knight deffended him. You should know that, you were here yesterday asking me for the vivax thing. So bad, you are not worth to playing with me. I will be an ass like most of you and only care for what rayn,slam and marv have to say. And VE. And maybe jacob because he is funny. So live in your “we might jailkeeper mayor, happa mafia gave up because of thay hur hur” illusion. Fair and thought out reasoning why she thought Tfrel was town On March 06 2024 12:33 CopCake wrote:On March 06 2024 12:27 Rels wrote:
Meh on Trfel being lynched, I would have lynched over half the game before him I glanced at the Tfrel list and I saw big names, I need to read the whole thread progession but yesterday it was discussed that Tfrel is “scummy” for his lack of participation of the thread. Some *big names* or big name deffended him also saying he was a good player. Need to see who it was and if he ended up lynching him. I made a comparasion of how he acted in the last game and saw the number of posts he made. So if “being inactive” is the reason and a big player did that, I think it is a very good place where to look for a mafia. Still tunneled and therefore: On March 06 2024 13:12 CopCake wrote:On March 06 2024 07:27 Koshi wrote:On March 06 2024 07:25 DarthPunk wrote:On March 05 2024 21:30 Koshi wrote:On March 05 2024 11:13 sandroba wrote:On March 05 2024 10:58 DarthPunk wrote:On March 05 2024 10:54 sandroba wrote:
I feel like it's harder to argue against vivax mayor as mafia. Rels and palmar both entered the thread with that mindset. Pretty much ignored most of what happened for most of the thread but making sure they say what they were supposed to say as town about the vivax claim as soon as possible.
There are obviously town reasons to mayor vivax, but there is some reluctance I expect from townies. I think the over-eagerness to jump on the vivax train right away points to mafia. Hard disagree. I find people who just accept it for what it is and make the correct play in regards to him is townie. The scummy thing is talking around in circles about how shit vivax’s claim was, that he might not be town or if he is he is not confirmed It’s a huge waste of time and shits up the thread and is also incredibly easy content to fake. I found palmars approach to the situation very townie for example Are you still lock town on trfel btw? Didn't see much of people saying he might not be town. Shitting up the thread discussing the claim being bad I agree, CopCake is the main person I saw driving the discussion back to that. I think saying he is prob town and prob not the best mayor, at least initially is the reaction I would expect from townies. Remember, even though scum might not want something, it's hard to actually push something when you think it would be obvious anti-town. Scum wants to hide and push things in a subtle way. Not locked town on trfel since he hasn't been very active, but wouldn't lynch him d1 in a million years. What he has posted so far after the initial setup-focused posts looked super townie to me. I really really really don't see that. Last game I was so sure he was town. What is he doing here? Everytime he gets pressured he moves away from it. Slam asks him about Oats. He gives a good answer but it lacks conviction. It looks way more as a mafia seeing Town!Oats be inquisitive than a townie figuring out Town!Oats is inquisitive. Slam then pressures on and while replying to somebody else he @slam and disengages with him. This can't be the same Tfrel as last game? You went 4 days with him. Under pressure by marv/DP/rayn iirc. This looks the same to you? I should follow your lead on him but it seems impossible. This is a good post. Probably trfel is mafia. Yeah maybe but CC and sandroba are town and they are townreading tfrel. So don't fuck up their game and lynch Tfrel over Hapa and Palmar. With this, I mean, DP tried to put the Tfrel blame on Koshi. This also felt like a very natural conclusion to the catch up she did. Because she was focused on everything around Tfrel. On March 06 2024 13:18 CopCake wrote:On March 06 2024 07:55 Koshi wrote:
DP, can you do me a favor?
When closer to deadline, can you take a step back and feel the thread? Try to feel if the players that came back to the thread are pushing an agenda?
I think the last 12 hours town had control over the thread, I fear that the mafia let us be, and will come back once we are asleep.
I could name some people but that wont be fair to them.
marv should not be shaded during the next hours. There is no need for that. He left the masons and came to play in the thread, that is a positive thing.
My remaining nulls/scumreads went into hiding.
Do not shade marv until we see palmar flip town. There is no reason to doubt marv his alignment.
Remember marv posted reads in mason chat and rayn hard townread marv for it. Town Koshi is invited to my party She was hyperfocused on tfrel getting lynched. Her 3 names explained: On March 06 2024 14:10 CopCake wrote:
Like it makes a lot of sense in my head that DP wanted Tfrel out.
The way the lynch started was instigated by DP but the first vote was by Iamp.
Same with Vivax. He wanted Tfrel out but didnt move a finger until later when someone else did the Dirty work.
I think that Iamp have to do it because if not, the wagon wouldnt have started.
Anyways, I have problems only with DMB believing Vivax 100% claim but other than that she is being her usual self. Like... You can not agree with it, but it makes sense in her story and in her attempt to solve the game. Would she type that before the rayn nk? We are getting into wifom shit but I am bored atm On March 06 2024 22:29 CopCake wrote:
Rayn, if you think I am mafia for that then I guess you are mafia.
You should know me better than anyone.
I was trying to understand Palmars approch because he came to me nicely trying to teach me “how to play mafia” so I put in the shoes to understand why he thinks DP is town if he is town.
So in that interaction, considering Palmar as town I said “you consider DP town because he pocketed you”.
Again shows she is reading and remembering. Trying to solve. On March 06 2024 22:41 CopCake wrote:
For isntance, that list was based on how people acted to the end of the day before the lynch.
Ie. No one is questioning vivax:
Happa probably gave up because he is mafia
Tfrel is hiding because he is mafia
Rayn is crying in copcakes arms
Nobody touches my girlfriend because she gives good head
I am so right and you are idiots hur hur hur
When vivax was mafia with me he did the same. 🤷🏽♀️
He even said something like he would avenge Dumb.
she is also quickfiring here↑. At least 10 posts; always 3-4 minutes apart. Lot's of topics. I wont quote them but again. Easy as town solving game, really hard as mafia. On March 06 2024 23:01 CopCake wrote:On March 06 2024 22:59 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 06 2024 22:58 CopCake wrote:On March 06 2024 22:56 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 06 2024 22:55 CopCake wrote:On March 06 2024 22:52 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 06 2024 22:49 CopCake wrote:
And if we go by that
Cake calls mafia Palmar and DP/vivax/iamp
You call mafia Palmar
So I guess you assume I throwed my teamate there just because?
You didnt call Palmar mafia when you called DP/vivax/iamp mafia originally. Because i wrote the names of the people who caught my eye the most. So now answer me. Do I throw my scummates, yes or not? yes You are just mafia then. I dont understand? You know I dont do that. I believe CC. Way later she is still saying the same thing about the 4 veterans. She just believes it. On March 07 2024 03:22 CopCake wrote:On March 07 2024 03:21 justanothertownie wrote:On March 07 2024 03:20 CopCake wrote:On March 07 2024 03:14 justanothertownie wrote:On March 07 2024 03:12 CopCake wrote:On March 06 2024 12:39 DarthPunk wrote:On March 06 2024 12:37 CopCake wrote:
So my theory is that Tfrel got lynched because mafia big boys are scared of him. He got lynched because of his end of day posts.I was about to swap to JAT and he basically claimed mafia ITT O_o Who are the mafia big boys who lynched Trfel though? My filter is there. Why are you asking me this? Because I thought you might enlighten me without me having to go to your filter. DP obviously. Who else? Iamp, Vivax, Palmar On March 07 2024 12:49 CopCake wrote:On March 07 2024 12:00 DarthPunk wrote:Darthpunk's last will and testament.Basically I have been trying to sort people since the flips and my reads have been changing a bit. but i'll post a brief summary here as guidance and reads. And also so that i can prevent what I think are some of the biggest potential errors moving forward. Do not lynch tier:Palmar: He has looked really town since he started playing in the second part of day 1, in addition to my original reasons for not wanting him to be lynched (mindmeld with sandro, emotional congruence, effort to post reads when all was looking doomed) I think he has continued to look good, I find myself agreeing with his perspectives, I see hints of trolling, I think him and marv are vibing. The interaction with cake's shit takes was really townie to me. IT IS IMPORTANT YOU DON"T LYNCH PALMAR- can't stress this enough, no idea why people are getting stuck on small shit that doesn't matter, for example, rayn if you are town, it is well known that palmar doesn't do associative reads. The whole mason shit is a useless direction. This is probably the biggest throw for town imo. SandroIs just getting down to business scumhunting and sorting. I think he is the best player to sheep this game if you are lost. OatsmasterHis play this game reminds me of his play in the last game where he was town, he is being smart, pushing in good directions and generally looks super town to me. VivaxBeen discussed to death, he is the town JK in my opinion. PerfectionLooked town all game pretty much, some of his takes I think are wrong, I think he looked really town around the lynch. Also his scum play was terribad last time so I don't think this is that. Probably town tierKoshiI was debating putting him in the tier above, because he has looked really townie all game, and dramatically different to his mafia game, which was really lackluster. I don't think he pushes marv and rayn in the way he did as mafia. There are a couple of things that give me pause to him being 'lock' town, first of all is a post where he is aggressively pushing rayn and then kind of completely reverses On March 05 2024 20:37 Koshi wrote:On March 05 2024 20:33 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Thankfully i can play the game with marv, it's much more enjoyable than this thread. I admit I came in too strong. But rereading it, it was too strong but luckily not over the top. But it is fair you got annoyed. Seeing my case and my post you must understand why I can't let you be Mayor right? It's just not enough to earn it. Vivax did you dirty by claiming but there should not be a competition about the Mayor today. Can you vote vivax? You are 99.98% on him. I am interested in your reads on JAT and Rels. Just for my sake. Because I will not be able to read them today. I think it makes it clear the aggression was at least somewhat ingenuine. I still think he is town but yeah not as confident as I was, also don't like the casually mentioning me as a possible mafia candidate after it seemed like I was lock town all game, but maybe that was NK wifom. :D I am waiting for a 'smart' koshi moment and push which I haven't seen yet. RaynHonestly this was a hard one for me to sort, there are times when i thought he was town and other times where I thought he was mafia. I still don't really understand the way he has been interacting with me this game, it felt 'different' than normal. I thought it made him mafia, but currently I am putting it down to the fact he just thinks I am bad. I think his best moments came this night when he went into 'solver mode' with JAT. and I think he had a really good push on cake, and subsequent ideas on DMB which I think are likely correct. So town, the palmar/rayn shit started looking very TvT to me too. so there is that. I don't think he is as correct as he assumes (like every game) but town. SlamUn CC'd cop (fuck you VE ) also looked town around the end of day chaos. MarvHas been playing a solid game so far, in the back of my mind I always think he is mafia for engagement tells, but when I was wrong last game I decided to shelve that as old meta. I think he is mafia he will slip up later, It's kind of weird for town!marv to not call me mafia but i don't really think he is mafia either. Biggest town tell for him I think is his penchant for defending weaker scummy players like copcake. Also the shit with trfel, where he was really sad about reading the lynch, and the town read on hapa, both those pinged me as genuine and townie. Possible mafia/possible townRels:He has looked logical when he posts, but his wasted vote and push on palmar was a big red flag where it was useless and he wasn't really trying that hard to take thread control and change the lynch. lack of investment could be explained by IRL matters, but I also think Rels could be mafia. Also I remember him being WAY more aggressive as town. Like old school DP levels of aggression. Here he is just reasonable and meh. MZI feel like he has been flying under the radar a bit, I liked his push on Cake, I liked his push on JSL less. Calling me never lynch tier could be a possible pocketing attempt but also could be just because I tend to call him town when noone else does and we have vibed a few times this game. Needs to do more for sure. JealousMost likely to be scum out of these. i liked the open and transparent reasoning in his list post. I think he has looked worse ever since. The formulaic waffle of both sides of an argument is easy to just go through the motions with as mafia. The way he is hard defending me from people also pings me a bit. I can defend myself, why is he not considering those arguments for why I am mafia? Could be a pocketing attempt. TTS: Lurker.
JAT:Looked really bad for the reasons outlined earlier by sandro and palmar day one. I just don't think it makes sense he is mafia if palmar and trfel were town, he did this thing where he waited to swap to trefl even when i threatened to lynch him for it. Doesn't really make sense for mafia to do that. His posting has been looking good recently in its own right, particularly when interacting with Marv/Rayn Mafia tierDMB: The vote and case on me gave me pause for a bit, because of the WIFOM argument of why she would do it, but then refusing to give reads refusing to engage, talking about how exhausted I made her, all points to mafia, and then she actually immediately USED the WIFOM argument in her own defence. Basically I think her and Cake are partnered, their push on me is basically the same, and they have waffled on their reads of each other. Kind of calling each other scummy and kind of not, and then kind of ignoring each other, but they both have the same top scum read since early on so none of that is natural or normal if they are both town. Looks like classic distancing to me. I think DMB is showing the same traits this game as her previous game where she just tunnelled palmar IIRC and couldn't really form any other reads about the game. Same thing here, I was trying to see if she had thought about anyone else, but no. In her world 26 page DP is scum but she doesn't have the ability to scum read anyone else. I don;t buy that at all. CakeI am running out of time so I can't grab the posts, but I think rayn was on the right track here at night. She apparently has 4 scum reads but can only talk about me, same thing happened in her last scum read, just got tunnelled on 1-2 players and didn;t look elsewhere. I gave her space to see if she would do something else, but she ended up just talking about me some more, all the things that apply to dmb re:cake above apply to cake re: dmb here. I think marv is being super unhelpful by defending her when she is slipping really really hard. JSL:Lack of suspicion, didnt do anything with the encouragement on the koshi slip. Soft defending DMB. All the stuff sandro posted. Also I forgot he told me before he would be engaged as mafia, so the engagement is a null tell for him. VEI really hate this but he just looks scummy and disengaged. I hope I am wrong so I don;t have to lynch him but I don;t think I am wrong, I think he is just mafia which sucks. Ok one minute to go. GL if I don;t see you on the other side. You deffended Jacob ALL DAY and NIGHT and now he is mafia? Again. Good observation and I need to double check if this is true. Because I will vote Jealous tomorrow.Ok. she quoted DP and not Jacob so ignore the entire thing. WIFOM but I like it more from town CC: On March 07 2024 13:08 CopCake wrote:
Rayns dead is weird
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I quit here because enough is enough. I will never vote CC. Didn´t you say before that if VE flips Town there would be a reason to vote CC
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