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Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
March 11 2024 03:07 GMT
#6294
Finally free to play the game. Also super tired so I won't be catching up didn't read anything since my last post. I think I'll just check if and what CopCake has posted since she's the counter wagon and I will call it a day

I hope hope hope I can play tomorrow during work, or at least catch up. I already know I can't during the morning, but nothing much going on in the afternoon yet. Hopefully it will stay that way ...
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
March 11 2024 03:12 GMT
#6295
On March 10 2024 15:05 CopCake wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 10 2024 12:43 Vivax wrote:
On March 10 2024 12:41 Rels wrote:
With this out of the way, going to bed. Very interested to see how CopCake handles this (still thinks she's town but interested nonetheless)


How can you think that?
She‘s like the witch doctor on team dire at this point. Just going in wolololo at the game when she posts.


##vote: copcake

I am town but

I want to quit the game, I am not enjoying it like I tend to do it.

Rayn might get a bit annoyed but I am a sensitive person and if I do not like something, I just quit. Same happened when Slam was having a difficult moment, I felt bad so I wanted out.

Didn't expect this. I was expecting either "super angry, will post a lot defending myself and OMGUSing" or "plain afk" from scum!CopCake, or "being angry but still trying to solve the game" from CopCake

Don't really know what to make of it
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
March 11 2024 03:26 GMT
#6305
Really don't like the posts from CopCake this cycle. It might be bad enough to make me think she's scum. Seemlingly giving up / martyring, but posted a lot about roles, setups, nothing towards her reads or who is scum ... the only read is that I'm town, so it feels a little bad writing all this ... Sorry if you're town CC

But I want to reread how she acted after being red checked as scum in the game where we were scum together
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
March 11 2024 03:28 GMT
#6308
On March 11 2024 12:22 Vivax wrote:
There’s at least 5 players who just blatantly don’t put any genuine effort into the game: VE, Rels. To a lesser extent Palmar, copcake, dmb

It’s more probable they are just all town simply cause they can’t all be scum.
They just don’t give a shit. Oats gave a shit, TTS hid among them.

Fuck you. I've put hours of work most days, even at night / during D2 where the lynch was decided in advance. Just because my schedule doesn't match most of the rest of the town doesn't mean I'm not putting genuine effort
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
March 11 2024 03:29 GMT
#6310
On March 11 2024 12:26 Vivax wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 11 2024 12:25 DarthPunk wrote:
are you just ignoring me or what?


No but I don‘t think you claim vet as town or fakeclaim for that matter.
But it‘s beneficial as scum.

I have a very, very hard time believeing you believe this
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
March 11 2024 03:30 GMT
#6312
Literally 3 seconds apart lol
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
March 11 2024 03:41 GMT
#6319
Behavior is somewhat different in the game we were scum together, but the mindset might be similar. After being red checked, it was mainly repeating the same defense and pleas, tha'ts where it's different (this game today, she's more focused on mechanics / blue actions / etc.). But it was without a real objective, so posting to be posting - that's the way for which the mindset could be similar.

That being said, I found a martyring post there too, after HF faked a red check on her (before the actual red check)
On September 08 2022 03:57 CopCake wrote:
I am so frustrated because I am vanilla town and I literally can't understand why the fuck HF is confirmed town NOW when he has claimed two roles, for the "moves", putting me in danger in case there is a town vig, now that he is a "VET" so he doesn't have a check, ughhhh

THIS IS SO BULLSHIT

TOWN IS GOING TO LOSE because you listen to a vocal person and do not follow the FACTS of the game.

AGHHHHHHHHHH


On September 08 2022 03:57 CopCake wrote:
Lynch me whatever, fuck this bullshit.

Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
March 11 2024 03:42 GMT
#6320
On March 11 2024 12:33 Jealous wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 11 2024 12:29 Rels wrote:
On March 11 2024 12:26 Vivax wrote:
On March 11 2024 12:25 DarthPunk wrote:
are you just ignoring me or what?


No but I don‘t think you claim vet as town or fakeclaim for that matter.
But it‘s beneficial as scum.

I have a very, very hard time believeing you believe this

I think Vivax is just fishing for more "Vivax is insane" comments for his profile tbh.

I didn't want to say it earlier because I had a genuine hope that Vivax would come back and explain the initial train on VE, would have a better answer for "you really think this is a triple bus triangle?", but here we are. I had a genuine hope that one of my confirmed towns in my current world read would actually try to lynch mafia, and that these wild votes/wagons were just some ingenious ploy to generate reactions. But here we are.

To be fair, I guess all of these posts can be counted towards his body count from his recent posting spurt. My mans is playing his own game inside the game. And he is our mayor. Which fits for a politician if I'm gonna be honest.

Go do you, playboy.

Yeah I can see this
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
March 11 2024 03:43 GMT
#6321
If Vivax is scum, I'm putting the blame on role balance (assuming all blues have claimed)
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
March 11 2024 03:46 GMT
#6323
On March 11 2024 12:34 Vivax wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 11 2024 12:29 Rels wrote:
On March 11 2024 12:26 Vivax wrote:
On March 11 2024 12:25 DarthPunk wrote:
are you just ignoring me or what?


No but I don‘t think you claim vet as town or fakeclaim for that matter.
But it‘s beneficial as scum.

I have a very, very hard time believeing you believe this


DP himself gave me advice to claim other roles as vet in a postgame.
If he fakeclaimed he should be open about it otherwise he‘s just giving himself an out for having survived for so long.

Am I wrong in thinking I can probably find 10 games where you claimed a random role at night that wasn't real, with the idea of messing around with the scumteam?

I might be mistaken on this assertion on you in particular - in my mind, you're the type of player that would do it easily, maybe I'm wrong. But I'm sure one could find at least 50 instances of it happening throughout the years if we added everytime it happened for every player
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
March 11 2024 03:46 GMT
#6325
Hell I could probably just go through HF games and find the 50 instances lol
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
March 11 2024 03:47 GMT
#6328
On March 11 2024 12:46 CopCake wrote:
Evil Rels 😝 but I cant hate the french charm.

You have made analysis of our scum game before to deffend me but just NOW you decided to use it to say I am scum?

Yeah I'm sorry if I'm wrong. The way you've played today is really scummy in my opinion
What's your game view? Will VE flip scum?
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
March 11 2024 03:48 GMT
#6331
On March 11 2024 12:47 CopCake wrote:
Are there nice GF/LF deserts on France?

You have to buy me one.

Macarons?
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
March 11 2024 03:49 GMT
#6332
On March 11 2024 12:47 DarthPunk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 11 2024 12:32 Vivax wrote:
On March 11 2024 12:29 DarthPunk wrote:
On March 11 2024 12:26 Vivax wrote:
On March 11 2024 12:25 DarthPunk wrote:
are you just ignoring me or what?


No but I don‘t think you claim vet as town or fakeclaim for that matter.
But it‘s beneficial as scum.


Rayn, marv, Sandro took precedence over you in the NKs too.

This town can flip Ve and copcake for all I care.



This is just flat out wrong in this circumstance. there is an obvious reason for me to claim there.


You don‘t want to be NKd? Still got your shot off so it wouldn‘t have mattered.

Marv dies over claimed gunsmith because he‘s in your pocket would be my guess.


Why would I kill him if he is in my pocket, and in a world where I am mafia, him being alive covers me being alive no?

He's talking about JSL not dying because he's in your pocket
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
March 11 2024 03:50 GMT
#6335
On March 11 2024 12:44 CopCake wrote:
I have voted myself and I kinda do not want to move it because “OMG copcake is still mafia”

I also want to say I am not vengeful townie.


Any pointer to a game where you had that behavior as town?
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
March 11 2024 03:52 GMT
#6338
Maybe it is as simple as VE / DMB / CC
It doesn't feel right as it's the easiest lynches. Doesn't feel right at all. But maybe it is
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
March 11 2024 03:56 GMT
#6351
On March 11 2024 12:51 CopCake wrote:
The problem is

Why not kill DP when we have

- vivax jailing Slam so his cop check doesnt work
- kill DP who is about to kill mafia TTS/Cake/DMB

If two of those are real mafia, I think blocking DP takes priority and not blocking vivax to kill slam, I mean the cop check would had been blocked.


I saw this in your filter too, in my mind it's not even a question.

I mean, killing DP or not might be a question, but roleblock wise, scum HAD to RB Vivax and kill Slam

Scum cannot know who Vivax will target, so that's the only plan where you get your 2 KPs + be sure there isn't another check. Any other plan, you risk having one of your KP blocked by Vivax

The second KP (the marv one) could have been used to kill DP yeah, but killing marv is super logical too
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
March 11 2024 03:59 GMT
#6360
On March 11 2024 12:57 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 11 2024 12:52 Rels wrote:
Maybe it is as simple as VE / DMB / CC
It doesn't feel right as it's the easiest lynches. Doesn't feel right at all. But maybe it is

What happened to your Palmar read dude?

On March 09 2024 13:20 Rels wrote:
@Anyone does scum!Palmar fake 2 dumbtells in a single post? Taking in consideration that people have scumread DMB for dumbtelling

On March 09 2024 13:22 Rels wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 09 2024 13:21 iamperfection wrote:
On March 09 2024 13:20 Rels wrote:
@Anyone does scum!Palmar fake 2 dumbtells in a single post? Taking in consideration that people have scumread DMB for dumbtelling


we should ask the palmar expert when he wakes up.

Yeah. @marv what do you think?

On March 09 2024 13:22 Rels wrote:
I don't think he does

On March 09 2024 13:23 Rels wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 09 2024 06:59 Palmar wrote:
So like I'm going to try to sort of organize the game in my head, and I'm going to do it out loud, so you can watch me think. It's a fascinating display.

We probably have about 5 mafia in this game. It could be 4, but then they have very strong roles. Normal balance would suggest 5.

This means I need to start sort of filtering down the people I want to think about.

First up, the people I don't really want to lynch or even consider at all:

DarthPunk for huge filter and repeatedly liking his takes on things.
Vivax because that's the gamble we made when we didn't policy lynch him.

Then there's the weaker town reads that are definitely going to contain some mafia:

Koshi was very good early day 1, but I feel like his impact has been reduced. Still not enough to start calling him mafia
marvellosity - I kinda think he's maybe town, he did come around on me correctly, and I kinda trust sandro's read. So for what it's worth, he goes into the "worry later" pile.

Then there's the people who will be resolved by today

Slam - we lynch slam if Oats flips non-miller town. The frame idea is statistically so unlikely
Oats - we lynch Oats today because despite his efforts, there is like 90% chance of him flipping mafia. He does look and say townie things which is pretty well played, but the odds of any other random player flipping red just happen to be significantly lower

Frame math:
Slam check 1/18 (lynches + himself) players = 5.56% chance he checks Oats
Framer frames 1/14 players (21 - 2 lynches - 5 mafia) = 7.14% chance Oats gets framed

This means there's like... 0.3% chance a framer hits the same target the cop checks (but obviously intiution skews this a lot) it's still the best play to do it like that.


Actually as I write this I realize I have way too few townread, which means I really, really need to get work done. For one reason or another I don't trust any of the people below.



Jealous - lack of investigation from me, little posting
Meapak_Ziphh - lack of investigation from me, I'm masoned with the dude but I'm a terrible mason partner because I think they're stupid. That's mostly on me. I also recall some of his posting being a little meek
justanothertownie - Some really atrocious takes throughout the game. Bullshit associative reads and voting without any kind of analysis.
die_meatbaby - lack of investigation from me. I remember having a different feel from last game, but she still gets stuck on dumb shit.
CopCake - I kinda liked rayn's point during the night. Also she should really think I'm town after our discussion in the night.
JacobStrangelove - This guy is clearly just smart. I liked his posting because it's all pretty reasonable, but I feel like he isn't moving the needle at all this game. Happy sitting back and not getting listened to.
Iamperfection - One particularly terrible take during the night, but maybe he just doesn't know what a policy lynch is. I didn't follow up enough to understand if it was malicious or just kinda stupid.
ToTheStars - lurker
VisceraEyes - Fell off cliff. Where VE?
Rels - Terrible case on me on day 1 that reeked of mafia trying to "contribute". Super clear he wasn't caught up on the game and lacked opinionsþ


The 2 dumbtells are in that post ("4 or 5 mafia", "JSL could be scum even though he claimed")
I might be biaised by this but I really like this Palmar post. Feels like a really genuine world view

Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
March 11 2024 04:00 GMT
#6364
On March 11 2024 12:57 CopCake wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 11 2024 12:56 Rels wrote:
On March 11 2024 12:51 CopCake wrote:
The problem is

Why not kill DP when we have

- vivax jailing Slam so his cop check doesnt work
- kill DP who is about to kill mafia TTS/Cake/DMB

If two of those are real mafia, I think blocking DP takes priority and not blocking vivax to kill slam, I mean the cop check would had been blocked.


I saw this in your filter too, in my mind it's not even a question.

I mean, killing DP or not might be a question, but roleblock wise, scum HAD to RB Vivax and kill Slam

Scum cannot know who Vivax will target, so that's the only plan where you get your 2 KPs + be sure there isn't another check. Any other plan, you risk having one of your KP blocked by Vivax

The second KP (the marv one) could have been used to kill DP yeah, but killing marv is super logical too


Mafia knows who vivax is going to target if DP claimed vet.

They can make an educated guess that is the most logical, but they cannot be 100% sure
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
March 11 2024 04:02 GMT
#6365
Fuck already midnight. I thought I was only going to play for 30 minutes. I have 2 interviews tomorrow morning ... wish me luck!
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