• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EST 06:41
CET 12:41
KST 20:41
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
SC2 All-Star Invitational: Tournament Preview3RSL Revival - 2025 Season Finals Preview8RSL Season 3 - Playoffs Preview0RSL Season 3 - RO16 Groups C & D Preview0RSL Season 3 - RO16 Groups A & B Preview2
Community News
BSL Season 2025 - Full Overview and Conclusion3Weekly Cups (Jan 5-11): Clem wins big offline, Trigger upsets4$21,000 Rongyi Cup Season 3 announced (Jan 22-Feb 7)15Weekly Cups (Dec 29-Jan 4): Protoss rolls, 2v2 returns7[BSL21] Non-Korean Championship - Starts Jan 104
StarCraft 2
General
SC2 All-Star Invitational: Tournament Preview Stellar Fest "01" Jersey Charity Auction Weekly Cups (Jan 5-11): Clem wins big offline, Trigger upsets When will we find out if there are more tournament SC2 Spotted on the EWC 2026 list?
Tourneys
SC2 All-Star Invitational: Jan 17-18 OSC Season 13 World Championship SC2 AI Tournament 2026 Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament $21,000 Rongyi Cup Season 3 announced (Jan 22-Feb 7)
Strategy
Simple Questions Simple Answers
Custom Maps
Map Editor closed ?
External Content
Mutation # 508 Violent Night Mutation # 507 Well Trained Mutation # 506 Warp Zone Mutation # 505 Rise From Ashes
Brood War
General
BSL Season 2025 - Full Overview and Conclusion [ASL21] Potential Map Candidates BGH Auto Balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/ BW General Discussion StarCraft & BroodWar Campaign Speedrun Quest
Tourneys
[BSL21] Non-Korean Championship - Starts Jan 10 Small VOD Thread 2.0 Azhi's Colosseum - Season 2 [Megathread] Daily Proleagues
Strategy
Soma's 9 hatch build from ASL Game 2 Simple Questions, Simple Answers Game Theory for Starcraft Current Meta
Other Games
General Games
Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Beyond All Reason Awesome Games Done Quick 2026! Nintendo Switch Thread Mechabellum
Dota 2
Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
Vanilla Mini Mafia Mafia Game Mode Feedback/Ideas
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread Russo-Ukrainian War Thread Canadian Politics Mega-thread European Politico-economics QA Mega-thread Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine
Fan Clubs
Media & Entertainment
Anime Discussion Thread [Manga] One Piece
Sports
2024 - 2026 Football Thread
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread
TL Community
The Automated Ban List
Blogs
My 2025 Magic: The Gathering…
DARKING
Physical Exercise (HIIT) Bef…
TrAiDoS
Life Update and thoughts.
FuDDx
How do archons sleep?
8882
James Bond movies ranking - pa…
Topin
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 2287 users

TL Endures Mafia - Page 12

Forum Index > TL Mafia
Post a Reply
Prev 1 10 11 12 13 14 25 Next All
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
May 25 2023 14:49 GMT
#1511
On May 25 2023 23:46 Koshi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 25 2023 23:43 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On May 25 2023 23:41 Koshi wrote:
Fuck. So if he is mafia they didn't even vote together and there is no mafia on the MZ train.

Yeah townies do all kind of stupid shit all the time, just look at the last game vote count, Koshi town leader has good reads anmd what the fuck townies do? They develop not one but TWO shit wagons in the last hours and mafia!rayn is happily sitting with angry Koshi on his scumbuddy

tbh that was less bad than this.
How this happened is a mystery to me.

I have no idea. Is Darthpunk semi blaming me(????) for his vote?
table for two on a tv tray
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
May 25 2023 14:55 GMT
#1513
what the fuck?
table for two on a tv tray
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
May 25 2023 15:08 GMT
#1518
On May 26 2023 00:03 marvellosity wrote:
Rayn or Koshi, can you remind me your reasoning why MZ/VE isn’t a likely team?

Idk i have to look at it later. Definitely a possibility.
table for two on a tv tray
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
May 25 2023 15:10 GMT
#1519
Like i have genuinely no idea why both VE and DP voted with the people they did instead of the people they didn't. It was not like Meapak was REALLY TOWNIE and Vivax REALLY SCUMMY in anyone's right mind.
table for two on a tv tray
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
May 25 2023 15:17 GMT
#1523
On May 25 2023 07:29 VisceraEyes wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 25 2023 07:26 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On May 25 2023 07:24 Vivax wrote:
I‘ma call it a nighty-o
1gu I hope delivers something decent in the future. I don‘t think he read anything at all tbh.

LS gets a downgrade for last appearance while rayn is being annoying on me, redeemed by being observant on him tho.

I‘m sorry if MZ is town.
I‘d also add (to reasons why I think he’s mafia) that his complaint about the egregious posting was warranted, at the same time it felt a bit like he was exaggerating his reaction. Maybe to gain a bunch of cheap cred with those insulted.

Should be an interesting angle to revisit at some point.

Dont worry i wont be advocating a lynch on you in ANY case (while i think you could be mafia) here. You will live to see D2.

You read it here folx, rayn is actively trying to protect mafia Vivax from the lynch.

I think this is where rayn fucked up ladies and gentlemen. Until now his play could be classified as stubborn town, this post right here proves that he's actively trying to harm town, removing the stubborn town possibility entirely because townRayn would never ever not lynch Vivax if he thinks he's mafia if the lynch is viable in this situation.

FUCKING GOTTEEEEEEEEMMMMM

marv, do you think mafia VE says this knowing that either Vivax will flip town or Meapak will flip mafia? In my mind it's a no, but you know VE probably better so what's your opinion?
table for two on a tv tray
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
May 25 2023 15:23 GMT
#1525
Like the problem i have with VE is that both me and marv said that Vivax would probably act JUST like he did as town and we both know that from own personal experience, and VE never considers that it could be the case that Vivax acts like that as town just because he himself wouldnt.
table for two on a tv tray
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
May 25 2023 15:29 GMT
#1527
I am sorry i was really tired yesterday, i hadn't slept for like 22 hrs when i basically fell asleep in front of the computer.
table for two on a tv tray
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
May 25 2023 15:34 GMT
#1528
On May 25 2023 21:55 TankTopTiger wrote:
Okay so what I've got is that:

Rayn made a meta-claim about MZ's behaviour. (what was this claim?)
Marv slept on it and woke up agreeing with Rayn.
Marv then built on this, saying the case was too clean/obvious, and doesn't look like he was trying to discern Marv's alignment.
Everyone then sheeped Marv's compelling claim.

Is this a fair summary of why everyone thinks Marv is town?

That's not at least why i think marv is town. I thought he is town before he made that post already.
On May 25 2023 20:25 TankTopTiger wrote:
So I guess my first question is why Marv is just getting a free walk here? What makes everyone so certain he's town when for the most part he's not exerted any influence? IMO both Rayn and DP have provided insight, and in my eyes are earning their status, but not Marv.

Can you give some examples of posts from me and DP you think are insightful? Just to figure out what you should think is insightful and whatnot.
table for two on a tv tray
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
May 25 2023 15:48 GMT
#1529
On May 25 2023 09:38 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
Yeah I think I've been hammered. GL guys, don't forget that (1) Vivax was runner up, please (2) look at Marv again, and don't let (3) LightningStrike/Onegu/DMP skate by with blatant anti town play.

Gonna enjoy my dinner in peace.

Everyone who thinks this post is very townie farewell post needs to explain why. If i read correctly Slam and DP(?) at least thought so. Because:

(1) Doesnt say anything. There is no reason at that point why Meapak and Vivax couldnt even be mafia together. They are voting each other because they have to, and neither of them is the engineer behind each other's lynch.

(2) If Meapak flips mafia this says absolutely nothing because noone is gonna look at marv after Meapak flips mafia. IT's extremely safe thing to say in case Meapak is mafia so in retrospect it should not in itself be considered as townie.

(3) Same thing here. If Meapak flips mafia, LS is 99% of the time town. The two other people are already under (at least some) suspicion so like once again, this doesn't give anything new and is just a really safe thing to say so noone's alignment is actually gonna get figured out.

Like it's a meek post with no insight in Meapak is town, and exactly what Meapak would say as mafia to not give away any information.
table for two on a tv tray
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
May 25 2023 15:55 GMT
#1530
TankTopTiger what do you think about Meapak?
table for two on a tv tray
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
May 25 2023 15:57 GMT
#1531
On May 25 2023 22:41 TankTopTiger wrote:
That's not to say MZ not looking for alignment is not a good point (might be worth going through this later), but it's something that was simultaneously defensive. So to me, you were very passive and only exerted influence when threatened. I have high expectations for the contributions of DP, Reyn, Marv, and Koshi, so me not seeing any evidence of you having been proactive puts you grey at best for me.

Like this is very weird... You know Meapak was the other wagon engineered by marv and he has no intention to look into Meapak as in if marv is right or not (for right or wrong reasons but that doesnt matter), instead all he posts is attacking the lead person on the unflipped wagon against a town wagon??
table for two on a tv tray
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
May 25 2023 16:00 GMT
#1532
Like if i subbed in and saw a close lynch and townie lynched, i would immediately read Maepak filter, make my own conclusions on it, then read what everyone said about meapak and compare it with my notes, then read meapak filter again to see if the differences with people make sense or not, then make my educated guess if the lynch was tvt or tvm.

But what he did is just backwards..
table for two on a tv tray
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
May 25 2023 16:04 GMT
#1534
Not discounting the possibility of just straight out discredit the person who is right on their scumbuddy to avoid talking about scumbuddy.
table for two on a tv tray
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
May 25 2023 16:12 GMT
#1535
That's pretty much all i want to hear before deadline.
table for two on a tv tray
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
May 25 2023 19:38 GMT
#1539
It's amazing how Darthpunk is going full Holyflare after a mistake he himself made. I have never ever encouraged anyone to vote for Vivax, the only thing close is when i am considering between MZ/Onegu/Vivax, and even there i am talking directly to marv and noone else. That happens about 4 hours before i leave the tread and after that i continuously say i don't think vivax will flip mafia and i am going to stay on MZ. Yet somehow Darthpunk (and mebaby) have somehow come to conclusion i almost lead a lynch on Vivax??? And now apparently Koshi is mafia??? Because DP voted wrong. It's pretty amazing to read this.

Darthpunk please don't go full Holyflare if youre town.
table for two on a tv tray
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
May 25 2023 20:04 GMT
#1542
On May 26 2023 05:03 marvellosity wrote:
Should I remember this Holylare reference?

Every time he leads a mislynch D1 he blames everyone in the other wagon.
table for two on a tv tray
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
May 25 2023 20:13 GMT
#1553
On May 26 2023 05:04 die_meatbaby wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 26 2023 04:38 raynpelikoneet wrote:
It's amazing how Darthpunk is going full Holyflare after a mistake he himself made. I have never ever encouraged anyone to vote for Vivax, the only thing close is when i am considering between MZ/Onegu/Vivax, and even there i am talking directly to marv and noone else. That happens about 4 hours before i leave the tread and after that i continuously say i don't think vivax will flip mafia and i am going to stay on MZ. Yet somehow Darthpunk (and mebaby) have somehow come to conclusion i almost lead a lynch on Vivax??? And now apparently Koshi is mafia??? Because DP voted wrong. It's pretty amazing to read this.

Darthpunk please don't go full Holyflare if youre town.


Sure you have you made the one post where you was writing Ogenu acting to strong to be town and Vivax is less paranoid than normal to be town... this post made change minds from other players. You didn't vote on V but this post got fucking important at this time. And you watched how people where voting for V after this instead of MZ.

If you read with thought about my posts at the time this is what i did:
- I was unsure of who to lynch. Marv and Koshi were still around, VE was not budging. DP was unsure.
- I talked with marv, and yes for a brief time i considered Vivax / Onegu a better lynch than MZ, that lasted about 5 minutes
- After this i made like 10 posts where i try to get people to vote for MZ instead of Vivax, i think in at least 2 of those posts i say i don't think Vivax will flip mafia anymore. Hell DP even asks me about this and i say the same thing!!

If you take some random posts out of context of the tread and don't look at the whole picture you can make pretty much anything look like anything so please don't do that. Just because DP says "rayn made me vote Vivax" or whatever shit it doesn't mean it is true, or should be true.
table for two on a tv tray
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
May 26 2023 10:10 GMT
#1638
On May 26 2023 00:57 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 25 2023 22:41 TankTopTiger wrote:
That's not to say MZ not looking for alignment is not a good point (might be worth going through this later), but it's something that was simultaneously defensive. So to me, you were very passive and only exerted influence when threatened. I have high expectations for the contributions of DP, Reyn, Marv, and Koshi, so me not seeing any evidence of you having been proactive puts you grey at best for me.

Like this is very weird... You know Meapak was the other wagon engineered by marv and he has no intention to look into Meapak as in if marv is right or not (for right or wrong reasons but that doesnt matter), instead all he posts is attacking the lead person on the unflipped wagon against a town wagon??

On May 26 2023 01:00 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Like if i subbed in and saw a close lynch and townie lynched, i would immediately read Maepak filter, make my own conclusions on it, then read what everyone said about meapak and compare it with my notes, then read meapak filter again to see if the differences with people make sense or not, then make my educated guess if the lynch was tvt or tvm.

But what he did is just backwards..

TTT can you answer this please?
table for two on a tv tray
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
May 26 2023 10:20 GMT
#1639
mebaby, at the time when you wrote this post:
On May 24 2023 07:28 die_meatbaby wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 24 2023 06:33 Koshi wrote:
Like you said marv is getting attacked because x people pressured him because theybdont want to lose against mafia!marv again. Who are those people and do you now read them town?
Sharing is caring and can help us read you better.


Sentinel // don´t know, too less writing from him since we started
Alakasla // same as sentinel
Chezinu // seems like town
4) Vivax // mafia
5) LightningStrike // pretty shure town
6) DarthPunk // not quiet shure yet
7) Onegu // also not shure
8) Koshi // def. town
10) raynpelikoneet // Mafia
11) Meapak_Ziphh // also i think town for right know
12) marvellosity // town (could chance depends on his next posts)
13) VisceraEyes // town


But as you said you can lose the game perfectly with out me

.. why did you think Lightningstrike is town?
table for two on a tv tray
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
May 26 2023 10:33 GMT
#1643
marv why do you think Koshi was shot?
table for two on a tv tray
Prev 1 10 11 12 13 14 25 Next All
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
Next event in 19m
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
mouzHeroMarine 484
IndyStarCraft 204
uThermal 192
MindelVK 48
StarCraft: Brood War
Sea 4826
Rain 1991
Horang2 1744
BeSt 353
firebathero 241
EffOrt 241
Last 201
Rush 169
ggaemo 136
Hyun 125
[ Show more ]
Pusan 116
Mong 103
Leta 100
Killer 77
JYJ 77
Bonyth 74
Barracks 72
Mind 47
Shuttle 46
soO 42
Nal_rA 41
910 40
ToSsGirL 38
Sexy 29
Free 26
GoRush 19
Bale 18
zelot 17
yabsab 15
Sacsri 11
SilentControl 9
scan(afreeca) 7
Dota 2
XcaliburYe454
Gorgc255
NeuroSwarm119
League of Legends
C9.Mang0380
Counter-Strike
zeus109
Heroes of the Storm
Khaldor61
Other Games
singsing1806
B2W.Neo839
Pyrionflax283
Sick268
Happy261
crisheroes130
Livibee66
Organizations
Other Games
gamesdonequick2201
StarCraft 2
WardiTV1093
StarCraft: Brood War
UltimateBattle 25
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
sctven
[ Show 15 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• StrangeGG 74
• iHatsuTV 11
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• Migwel
• sooper7s
StarCraft: Brood War
• blackmanpl 21
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
League of Legends
• Jankos1671
• Stunt461
Upcoming Events
uThermal 2v2 Circuit
19m
AI Arena Tournament
8h 19m
BSL 21
8h 19m
Mihu vs eOnzErG
Dewalt vs Sziky
Bonyth vs DuGu
XuanXuan vs eOnzErG
Dewalt vs eOnzErG
All-Star Invitational
14h 34m
MMA vs DongRaeGu
Rogue vs Oliveira
Sparkling Tuna Cup
22h 19m
OSC
1d
BSL 21
1d 8h
Bonyth vs Sziky
Mihu vs QiaoGege
Sziky vs XuanXuan
eOnzErG vs QiaoGege
Mihu vs DuGu
Dewalt vs Bonyth
Replay Cast
1d 21h
Wardi Open
2 days
Monday Night Weeklies
2 days
[ Show More ]
The PondCast
3 days
Replay Cast
5 days
Big Brain Bouts
6 days
Serral vs TBD
Liquipedia Results

Completed

Escore Tournament S1: W4
Big Gabe Cup #3
NA Kuram Kup

Ongoing

C-Race Season 1
IPSL Winter 2025-26
BSL 21 Non-Korean Championship
CSL 2025 WINTER (S19)
KCM Race Survival 2026 Season 1
OSC Championship Season 13
SC2 All-Star Inv. 2025
Underdog Cup #3
BLAST Bounty Winter Qual
eXTREMESLAND 2025
SL Budapest Major 2025
ESL Impact League Season 8
BLAST Rivals Fall 2025
IEM Chengdu 2025

Upcoming

Escore Tournament S1: W5
Acropolis #4
IPSL Spring 2026
Bellum Gens Elite Stara Zagora 2026
HSC XXVIII
Rongyi Cup S3
Nations Cup 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 1
BLAST Open Spring 2026
ESL Pro League Season 23
ESL Pro League Season 23
PGL Cluj-Napoca 2026
IEM Kraków 2026
BLAST Bounty Winter 2026
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2026 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.