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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
May 25 2023 14:49 GMT
#1511
On May 25 2023 23:46 Koshi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 25 2023 23:43 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On May 25 2023 23:41 Koshi wrote:
Fuck. So if he is mafia they didn't even vote together and there is no mafia on the MZ train.

Yeah townies do all kind of stupid shit all the time, just look at the last game vote count, Koshi town leader has good reads anmd what the fuck townies do? They develop not one but TWO shit wagons in the last hours and mafia!rayn is happily sitting with angry Koshi on his scumbuddy

tbh that was less bad than this.
How this happened is a mystery to me.

I have no idea. Is Darthpunk semi blaming me(????) for his vote?
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
May 25 2023 14:55 GMT
#1513
what the fuck?
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
May 25 2023 15:08 GMT
#1518
On May 26 2023 00:03 marvellosity wrote:
Rayn or Koshi, can you remind me your reasoning why MZ/VE isn’t a likely team?

Idk i have to look at it later. Definitely a possibility.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
May 25 2023 15:10 GMT
#1519
Like i have genuinely no idea why both VE and DP voted with the people they did instead of the people they didn't. It was not like Meapak was REALLY TOWNIE and Vivax REALLY SCUMMY in anyone's right mind.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
May 25 2023 15:17 GMT
#1523
On May 25 2023 07:29 VisceraEyes wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 25 2023 07:26 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On May 25 2023 07:24 Vivax wrote:
I‘ma call it a nighty-o
1gu I hope delivers something decent in the future. I don‘t think he read anything at all tbh.

LS gets a downgrade for last appearance while rayn is being annoying on me, redeemed by being observant on him tho.

I‘m sorry if MZ is town.
I‘d also add (to reasons why I think he’s mafia) that his complaint about the egregious posting was warranted, at the same time it felt a bit like he was exaggerating his reaction. Maybe to gain a bunch of cheap cred with those insulted.

Should be an interesting angle to revisit at some point.

Dont worry i wont be advocating a lynch on you in ANY case (while i think you could be mafia) here. You will live to see D2.

You read it here folx, rayn is actively trying to protect mafia Vivax from the lynch.

I think this is where rayn fucked up ladies and gentlemen. Until now his play could be classified as stubborn town, this post right here proves that he's actively trying to harm town, removing the stubborn town possibility entirely because townRayn would never ever not lynch Vivax if he thinks he's mafia if the lynch is viable in this situation.

FUCKING GOTTEEEEEEEEMMMMM

marv, do you think mafia VE says this knowing that either Vivax will flip town or Meapak will flip mafia? In my mind it's a no, but you know VE probably better so what's your opinion?
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
May 25 2023 15:23 GMT
#1525
Like the problem i have with VE is that both me and marv said that Vivax would probably act JUST like he did as town and we both know that from own personal experience, and VE never considers that it could be the case that Vivax acts like that as town just because he himself wouldnt.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
May 25 2023 15:29 GMT
#1527
I am sorry i was really tired yesterday, i hadn't slept for like 22 hrs when i basically fell asleep in front of the computer.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
May 25 2023 15:34 GMT
#1528
On May 25 2023 21:55 TankTopTiger wrote:
Okay so what I've got is that:

Rayn made a meta-claim about MZ's behaviour. (what was this claim?)
Marv slept on it and woke up agreeing with Rayn.
Marv then built on this, saying the case was too clean/obvious, and doesn't look like he was trying to discern Marv's alignment.
Everyone then sheeped Marv's compelling claim.

Is this a fair summary of why everyone thinks Marv is town?

That's not at least why i think marv is town. I thought he is town before he made that post already.
On May 25 2023 20:25 TankTopTiger wrote:
So I guess my first question is why Marv is just getting a free walk here? What makes everyone so certain he's town when for the most part he's not exerted any influence? IMO both Rayn and DP have provided insight, and in my eyes are earning their status, but not Marv.

Can you give some examples of posts from me and DP you think are insightful? Just to figure out what you should think is insightful and whatnot.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
May 25 2023 15:48 GMT
#1529
On May 25 2023 09:38 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
Yeah I think I've been hammered. GL guys, don't forget that (1) Vivax was runner up, please (2) look at Marv again, and don't let (3) LightningStrike/Onegu/DMP skate by with blatant anti town play.

Gonna enjoy my dinner in peace.

Everyone who thinks this post is very townie farewell post needs to explain why. If i read correctly Slam and DP(?) at least thought so. Because:

(1) Doesnt say anything. There is no reason at that point why Meapak and Vivax couldnt even be mafia together. They are voting each other because they have to, and neither of them is the engineer behind each other's lynch.

(2) If Meapak flips mafia this says absolutely nothing because noone is gonna look at marv after Meapak flips mafia. IT's extremely safe thing to say in case Meapak is mafia so in retrospect it should not in itself be considered as townie.

(3) Same thing here. If Meapak flips mafia, LS is 99% of the time town. The two other people are already under (at least some) suspicion so like once again, this doesn't give anything new and is just a really safe thing to say so noone's alignment is actually gonna get figured out.

Like it's a meek post with no insight in Meapak is town, and exactly what Meapak would say as mafia to not give away any information.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
May 25 2023 15:55 GMT
#1530
TankTopTiger what do you think about Meapak?
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
May 25 2023 15:57 GMT
#1531
On May 25 2023 22:41 TankTopTiger wrote:
That's not to say MZ not looking for alignment is not a good point (might be worth going through this later), but it's something that was simultaneously defensive. So to me, you were very passive and only exerted influence when threatened. I have high expectations for the contributions of DP, Reyn, Marv, and Koshi, so me not seeing any evidence of you having been proactive puts you grey at best for me.

Like this is very weird... You know Meapak was the other wagon engineered by marv and he has no intention to look into Meapak as in if marv is right or not (for right or wrong reasons but that doesnt matter), instead all he posts is attacking the lead person on the unflipped wagon against a town wagon??
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
May 25 2023 16:00 GMT
#1532
Like if i subbed in and saw a close lynch and townie lynched, i would immediately read Maepak filter, make my own conclusions on it, then read what everyone said about meapak and compare it with my notes, then read meapak filter again to see if the differences with people make sense or not, then make my educated guess if the lynch was tvt or tvm.

But what he did is just backwards..
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
May 25 2023 16:04 GMT
#1534
Not discounting the possibility of just straight out discredit the person who is right on their scumbuddy to avoid talking about scumbuddy.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
May 25 2023 16:12 GMT
#1535
That's pretty much all i want to hear before deadline.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
May 25 2023 19:38 GMT
#1539
It's amazing how Darthpunk is going full Holyflare after a mistake he himself made. I have never ever encouraged anyone to vote for Vivax, the only thing close is when i am considering between MZ/Onegu/Vivax, and even there i am talking directly to marv and noone else. That happens about 4 hours before i leave the tread and after that i continuously say i don't think vivax will flip mafia and i am going to stay on MZ. Yet somehow Darthpunk (and mebaby) have somehow come to conclusion i almost lead a lynch on Vivax??? And now apparently Koshi is mafia??? Because DP voted wrong. It's pretty amazing to read this.

Darthpunk please don't go full Holyflare if youre town.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
May 25 2023 20:04 GMT
#1542
On May 26 2023 05:03 marvellosity wrote:
Should I remember this Holylare reference?

Every time he leads a mislynch D1 he blames everyone in the other wagon.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
May 25 2023 20:13 GMT
#1553
On May 26 2023 05:04 die_meatbaby wrote:
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On May 26 2023 04:38 raynpelikoneet wrote:
It's amazing how Darthpunk is going full Holyflare after a mistake he himself made. I have never ever encouraged anyone to vote for Vivax, the only thing close is when i am considering between MZ/Onegu/Vivax, and even there i am talking directly to marv and noone else. That happens about 4 hours before i leave the tread and after that i continuously say i don't think vivax will flip mafia and i am going to stay on MZ. Yet somehow Darthpunk (and mebaby) have somehow come to conclusion i almost lead a lynch on Vivax??? And now apparently Koshi is mafia??? Because DP voted wrong. It's pretty amazing to read this.

Darthpunk please don't go full Holyflare if youre town.


Sure you have you made the one post where you was writing Ogenu acting to strong to be town and Vivax is less paranoid than normal to be town... this post made change minds from other players. You didn't vote on V but this post got fucking important at this time. And you watched how people where voting for V after this instead of MZ.

If you read with thought about my posts at the time this is what i did:
- I was unsure of who to lynch. Marv and Koshi were still around, VE was not budging. DP was unsure.
- I talked with marv, and yes for a brief time i considered Vivax / Onegu a better lynch than MZ, that lasted about 5 minutes
- After this i made like 10 posts where i try to get people to vote for MZ instead of Vivax, i think in at least 2 of those posts i say i don't think Vivax will flip mafia anymore. Hell DP even asks me about this and i say the same thing!!

If you take some random posts out of context of the tread and don't look at the whole picture you can make pretty much anything look like anything so please don't do that. Just because DP says "rayn made me vote Vivax" or whatever shit it doesn't mean it is true, or should be true.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
May 26 2023 10:10 GMT
#1638
On May 26 2023 00:57 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 25 2023 22:41 TankTopTiger wrote:
That's not to say MZ not looking for alignment is not a good point (might be worth going through this later), but it's something that was simultaneously defensive. So to me, you were very passive and only exerted influence when threatened. I have high expectations for the contributions of DP, Reyn, Marv, and Koshi, so me not seeing any evidence of you having been proactive puts you grey at best for me.

Like this is very weird... You know Meapak was the other wagon engineered by marv and he has no intention to look into Meapak as in if marv is right or not (for right or wrong reasons but that doesnt matter), instead all he posts is attacking the lead person on the unflipped wagon against a town wagon??

On May 26 2023 01:00 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Like if i subbed in and saw a close lynch and townie lynched, i would immediately read Maepak filter, make my own conclusions on it, then read what everyone said about meapak and compare it with my notes, then read meapak filter again to see if the differences with people make sense or not, then make my educated guess if the lynch was tvt or tvm.

But what he did is just backwards..

TTT can you answer this please?
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
May 26 2023 10:20 GMT
#1639
mebaby, at the time when you wrote this post:
On May 24 2023 07:28 die_meatbaby wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 24 2023 06:33 Koshi wrote:
Like you said marv is getting attacked because x people pressured him because theybdont want to lose against mafia!marv again. Who are those people and do you now read them town?
Sharing is caring and can help us read you better.


Sentinel // don´t know, too less writing from him since we started
Alakasla // same as sentinel
Chezinu // seems like town
4) Vivax // mafia
5) LightningStrike // pretty shure town
6) DarthPunk // not quiet shure yet
7) Onegu // also not shure
8) Koshi // def. town
10) raynpelikoneet // Mafia
11) Meapak_Ziphh // also i think town for right know
12) marvellosity // town (could chance depends on his next posts)
13) VisceraEyes // town


But as you said you can lose the game perfectly with out me

.. why did you think Lightningstrike is town?
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
May 26 2023 10:33 GMT
#1643
marv why do you think Koshi was shot?
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