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Tubesock
Profile Joined April 2011
United States2726 Posts
September 02 2022 22:04 GMT
#1165
I wouldn't have gone to MZ.

After D1 I started reading MZ as town. Now he's pretty solidly town.
Tubesock
Profile Joined April 2011
United States2726 Posts
September 02 2022 22:05 GMT
#1166
Due to thoughts aligning and rationality.
Tubesock
Profile Joined April 2011
United States2726 Posts
September 02 2022 22:19 GMT
#1169
On September 03 2022 07:07 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I mean "I wouldn't have gone to MZ."

Why? AFTER d1 doesnt matter here since we are talking about exactly D1.


To be honest I didn't have any real strong town reads. MZ's last couple day posts made me think I should just go back to Rels. then after the lynch https://tl.net/forum/mafia/586368-chezinu-streaks-mafia?page=44#861 and I starting to reevaluate MZ.
Tubesock
Profile Joined April 2011
United States2726 Posts
September 02 2022 22:26 GMT
#1171
I can't post them now, but they start with the above. And just look at MZ's last like 5 probably are applicable as well.
Tubesock
Profile Joined April 2011
United States2726 Posts
September 02 2022 22:33 GMT
#1174
On September 01 2022 02:55 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 01 2022 02:52 Alakaslam wrote:
On September 01 2022 02:51 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
On September 01 2022 02:48 Alakaslam wrote:
On September 01 2022 02:48 Rels wrote:
BTW Slam is so town it's crazy

TBH tubesock's vote is giving me the chills regarding this Deconduo lynch

I think it is tubesock

Why?

If rels is town as you believe, why would mafia tube switch his vote?

Fun is also a factor in this game

I mean sure but there's absolutely no reason for scum to be a part of last second lynch shenanigans unless they've got a team member involved.

Regardless of who dies today (me, decon, or rels) everyone active at the deadline who switched votes will be under a microscope regardless of how the flips go. I just don't see scum getting involved without reason unless they're playing a power scum game and I definitely don't get that vibe from tube. Since I think rels is town, it doesn't make sense for scum to switch off of them.


This string.
Tubesock
Profile Joined April 2011
United States2726 Posts
September 02 2022 22:34 GMT
#1176
Mafia would not defend me like that.
Tubesock
Profile Joined April 2011
United States2726 Posts
September 02 2022 22:38 GMT
#1178
I don't think I understand what you're even really asking.

1) I vote Rels
1.5)MZ is a wagon
2)Slam starts Shenannies and goes to Decon
3)I go Decon

At that point if the shenany wagon decided to go to MZ I don't think I would have. I would have gone back to Rels. For whatever reason I think MZ is mafia still at the beginning of night. I reread and think more and then I understand that mafia just wouldn't gain anything by defending my switch.
Tubesock
Profile Joined April 2011
United States2726 Posts
September 02 2022 22:39 GMT
#1179
On September 03 2022 07:36 raynpelikoneet wrote:
unless you see the future ofc. is that what you claim?


Sometimes I certainly do. couple games I saw the play but was lynched anyway. I was right though so tiny victory.
Tubesock
Profile Joined April 2011
United States2726 Posts
September 02 2022 22:41 GMT
#1180
You want to know what's even worse??? I don't think Rels or Vivax are mafia anymore.
I have ZERO scumreads at the moment.
Tubesock
Profile Joined April 2011
United States2726 Posts
September 02 2022 22:42 GMT
#1181
Although I'm very suspicious of HF but I mean that's everygame until like D4.
Tubesock
Profile Joined April 2011
United States2726 Posts
September 02 2022 22:43 GMT
#1183
That's fair.
Tubesock
Profile Joined April 2011
United States2726 Posts
September 02 2022 23:01 GMT
#1188
On September 03 2022 07:51 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 03 2022 07:42 Tubesock wrote:
Although I'm very suspicious of HF but I mean that's everygame until like D4.

Why are you suspicious of HF?


Respect. I said everygame.
Tubesock
Profile Joined April 2011
United States2726 Posts
September 02 2022 23:12 GMT
#1193
On September 03 2022 07:54 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 03 2022 07:41 Tubesock wrote:
You want to know what's even worse??? I don't think Rels or Vivax are mafia anymore.
I have ZERO scumreads at the moment.

What are your thoughts on Dandel, Jock, or copcake

I'm trying to write this post looking at you and Matt but I keep refreshing your filter and this thread and there's more to read.


Dand- I agree with most of what he says. His Rels post I thought aligned well to my thinking. Rels really looked like he was performing. And continued to do so. I for some reason liked how he asked you if you shake your fist at people. Kinda dumb but I gave you both some town points. Granted you had less for being so serious against Decon.

Jock- I think he's pretty solid town. I like that he kept looking at other things for the overall picture not just only his lynch. Unlike Decon. Decon would be overhelming town if he was lynch Rels but also doing more investigating. I think Jock is looking deeper than a normal scum would.

Copcake- Feeling she's town. Don't agree with her case on you, but I believe she believes it. I've written many cases like that and have been ignored compeltely too.
Tubesock
Profile Joined April 2011
United States2726 Posts
September 02 2022 23:41 GMT
#1209
On September 03 2022 06:11 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On a not-so-side-note, here is some food for thought:

How does anyone not voting for Tubesock justify voting for anyone else.

- Tubesock had Rels and MZ as top mafia D1 (deconduo is not a scumread)
- There was a time (near EoD) when Koshi, Dandel, rayn -- all of Tube's townreads are voting for Rels
- Without any contribution towards anything, he chooses to vote for deconduo over EITHER Rels or MZ when those are the wagons to choose from
- Tubesock has apparently no intention to clarify his voting behaviour at all

How is Tubesock not mafia over ANYONE else in the game? Don't be fucking stupid now people, this is like 100% mafia behaviour 100% of the time.


I missed this post.

- Without any contribution towards anything, he chooses to vote for deconduo over EITHER Rels or MZ when those are the wagons to choose from


Strictly speaking, I was 2nd on Rels so when it was the 2 wagons I chose Rels. Then Shenanies and I ended up jumping. So no, it wasn't like I didn't choose and then was on Decon.

If Rels is mafia then yeah I did save mafia. And basically hammered Decon although he may have died anyway with Rels voting to save his life.
Tubesock
Profile Joined April 2011
United States2726 Posts
September 03 2022 03:42 GMT
#1335
On September 03 2022 12:26 Rels wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 03 2022 00:16 Tubesock wrote:
EBWOP:
On September 02 2022 18:15 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Day 1:
On August 31 2022 21:19 Vivax wrote:
I‘ll just assume 3 mafia

180ing on MZ

It‘s tube, jock, MZ imo

Rels says Vivax is worth keeping around for now.

Come day 2 Rels says Vivax is not anymore worth keeping around and votes for Vivax.

Vivax posts:
On September 02 2022 11:48 Vivax wrote:
I think Chez and Slam are town

HF, Rayn, Rels, copcake all town

MZ, TS, Jock, Dandel the PoE

Nothing‘s changed from D1

I‘m on Rels for nonsense reasons for the offchance Dandel is scum and it gives him a glimmer of hope

Did I forget anyone?

Rels unvotes and now Vivax is worth keeping around.
Like come on, ABSOLUTENY NOTHING HAS CHANGED in what Vivax says now and has been saying during D1. Hell he even says it himself, yet this post is something so great it makes Rels unvote Vivax????


On September 02 2022 17:50 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On September 02 2022 11:22 Rels wrote:
On September 02 2022 06:50 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Right Rels also parroted Koshi's stupid point about keeping Vivax around until D3.

Don't think I've said that? It was more like, Vivax can't fake his town self that long, I think? But he's not even trying to fake anything right now so, yeah.
Vivax, you need to start playing please.
##Vote Vivax

You definitely said that, maybe not exactly but it was at least heavily implied and only AFTER Koshi made this post (#481):
On August 31 2022 07:28 Koshi wrote:
On August 31 2022 07:20 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Koshi do you think Vivax is town?
So you think deconduo is town?

If so, why? Vivax hasn't said anything worth anything whole game. Basically he has made posts but the only game contributing post is his vote on MZ. He has been talking about outside game stuff. If Vivax is mafia Vivax talks either nothing or he talks about some stupid shit like stock markets.

Here Vivax talks like he is talking about stock market.

Vivax makes weird posts and I cba to read or decipher it.
Vivax ezlynch on day 2/3 when he is obvious mafia due to complete activity drop off.


Then you say this (#543):
On August 31 2022 10:29 Rels wrote:
I feel the same way about Vivax too. Perfect vig target with Dandel.


Rayn's town. He sees the same things I saw but just didn't go as far as I do. I mean yeah I made an associative read and they're bad but Rels and Vivax are both acting scummy so it's not really associative.

Even though he thinks I'm mafia, he's definitely town. Definitely.


You're so focused on rayn it's crazy
That made me think of the posts HF dug up where you couldn't wait to explain how rayn worked
Show nested quote +
On August 31 2022 08:10 Tubesock wrote:
On August 31 2022 08:06 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Maybe Tubesock is also mafia. That post is quite... well...
deconduo's joke list post is better than Jock's quote-every-post posts, because both move the game forwards??
Then wait for who nitpicks on deconduo's post (like a... threat?), well i did, nothing happened in Tubesock's world.


Dude you nitpick everyone all the time haha that's not indicative of you at all. And you always misread some stuff and make it rayn on people. That's not indicative either for you.

Show nested quote +
On August 31 2022 09:08 Tubesock wrote:
That's how Rayn scumhunts. He looks at what HE expects people to think or do if they're town and if they don't meet that then he thinks they're mafia. Not sure why he got so triggered just now but meh.

He's not really talking game mechanics like you're saying it.



That's dramatically exaggerated.
Tubesock
Profile Joined April 2011
United States2726 Posts
September 03 2022 04:19 GMT
#1359
Sorry for the betrayal, Koshi.

Rels can you answer:

On September 01 2022 03:55 Koshi wrote:
So Rels tried to lynch DI who got a strong case on him, while holding back his vote on somebody he thought was supertown.

Let's figure out why he voted deco over MZ.



And some answers for you. But it's all kinda moot now. I don't think you're mafia. And I don't think Vivax is either so it's all gone.

Yeah I was interested in a Slam lynch at that time. How does that make me scum?


Without any context it doesn't. It looked like you were trying to find an easy target with the scummiest post in the game. Then tried to leverage that to get HF to go to Slam with you. And at the time save a mafia!Vivax.

Please point to Vivax's posts in those 4 pages of filter that are him playing more than you?


It's simple math. 4 pages vs 2. And plus all the shade I've gotten was basically I'm fluff. Or Canned.

"protection from rayn and Koshi"?? What? I'll verify but will assume it's true for now since it's super easy to check, but what are those proctions? And how does that mental image of "me being afraid of strong player" square with me butting heads with HF later?


They both called me town.

There were several anti Vivax posts, to the point that Koshi made that "6 votes against Vivax" post. I even quoted that Koshi post later. How did you miss that?


Yes, about 6 people all said the same thing. Vivax is super easy to figure out D2/3/4 whatever and is super lazy talks stock market the whole time if mafia. Doesn't mean he was an actual target to be lynched. That was my point. I don't think anyone actually really considered voting for him D1. Which is why I looked at your posts on him as paranoid and thought you would try to make sure the wagon isn't on him. Like to Slam for instance.

There is at least Jock that explicitely said that it was of Koshi and I. Are you not analyzing my posts in context of the thread?


Doesn't mean Jock is correct. No where in your filter do you advocate not lynching Vivax. You mention him and only soft push him. Which to be fair is similiar to all the people who excused Vivax' play due to potential. Much to MZ's chagrin.

That's why it's only talking about Vivax. That was the subject at the time. How did you miss that?


Ok. So there is 1 less post about Vivax that you just kinda bring him up and don't defend or really push. Didn't change what I thought.

What posts are you talking about where I'm preparing that?


All of them. They go together. It's not a singularity.

I can't find the question about something about butting heads with HF. My point was that you were in fact not butting heads with him but being uncharacteristically timid. You summoned him to get a reaction and then tried selling him on Slam lynch. You kept saying "small thing" and saying how he's overreacting.
Tubesock
Profile Joined April 2011
United States2726 Posts
September 03 2022 04:27 GMT
#1365
Chezinu transcends mafia and town. He exists in both. He already said so.
Tubesock
Profile Joined April 2011
United States2726 Posts
September 03 2022 04:28 GMT
#1366
On September 03 2022 13:25 Vivax wrote:
Nice, an entire page of Chezinu - Rels


Ruined it.
Tubesock
Profile Joined April 2011
United States2726 Posts
September 03 2022 04:29 GMT
#1369
On September 03 2022 13:25 Mattchew wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 03 2022 13:01 Rels wrote:
On September 03 2022 12:51 Mattchew wrote:
On September 03 2022 12:19 Rels wrote:
On September 02 2022 23:45 Mattchew wrote:
I also contextualized that mz flipping town helps clarify that theres little to no vote logic needing to be applied to the decon lynch as mafia would have been able to hide on any of the candidates without fear. It would also help read rels hammer play because mafia doing that when mz is town makes no sense.

Did you just TMI confirmed me town? Because I was scum, why would scum be able to move without fear? Even though the result ended up dec vs MZ, I ended up with 3 votes, just 1 shy of MZ - wouldn't have taken much for me to die (Jock that scumread me and dec to survive for example). So what you've said is only true if I'm town?

you had 20 minutes where you we firmly ok with 4/4/3 votes making it incredibly hard for a town wagon to occur on you if you were mafia. what i am saying is that in my opinion you did what your thought was best for the game regardless of the backlash it was going to put on you which i believe to be a very townie quality

Yeah I understand what you're saying about me. What I don't understand is why MZ's being dead proves anything regarding the votes, and it would be game changing to the point of you asking for MZ being vig'd.

It wasn't a 1v1, it was a 1v1v1. If you argument is "it was a 1v1, if both are town so we know scum can relax on the vote and probably only town participated in last minute switch" or something like that, then it doesn't work because it was not the situation. It was a 1v1v1, so that logic can only apply if all 3 of us are dead and flip town?

(regardless, I think it's also pretty weird to want his townread vig'd even if it was really a 1v1. I know you explained that one but I still find it very hard to understand)

the timing of your swap was a 1v1 imo. if mz is town it tells me that its even less likely you are mafia AND it benefits town greatly to know that vote logic on day 1 is basically meaningless as mafia could voted wherever the fuck they wanted


Why doesn't it just mean he voted to save his life? Why wouldn't he do that no matter his alignment and no matter who the other wagon is?
Tubesock
Profile Joined April 2011
United States2726 Posts
September 03 2022 04:32 GMT
#1372
On September 03 2022 13:31 Vivax wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 03 2022 13:28 Tubesock wrote:
On September 03 2022 13:25 Vivax wrote:
Nice, an entire page of Chezinu - Rels


Ruined it.


Well, I'm not infallible. Often slothful, and I've pulled an all nighter after a night out.
Interestingly a bit of alcohol helps


Meant I did.
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