[N]A Mostly Normal Game of Mafia

On November 24 2020 14:09 Tictock wrote:
Took a quick break from leveling (about 40% in) to read and stretch.

I take Trfel's bumbling to be fairly genuine and am ok hand waving Gracks tone as town (honestly have only skimmed his posts though).

If I had to shoot anyone right now (who has posted) I would kill FF.

See you guys in a few more levels.

On November 24 2020 09:19 raynpelikoneet wrote:

I dont know if you realised it but i have been kinda being after this from my first post to him. I guess i can reveal my this thing: now.


I dont really think Hapa is town atm. I think he should at least maybe have some reads he doesnt atm.

On November 24 2020 09:00 Trfel wrote:
As to the second part, I dunno, I didn't really think a ton about it. I just don't count anything 100% out in terms of setup. It doesn't really matter anyway, no?

I am not saying that Alakaslam wouldn't try to make himself mayor as mafia. He likely would. I feel that the way he has gone about it is genuine and towny.

On November 24 2020 15:06 Grackaroni wrote:

I don't understand what you mean when you say I threw a wishy-washy backsy-clause in my post, though I don't think you understand the intention of my post to begin with. I wasn't weighing in either way on Hapa's alignment. I was just sharing my own feeling about being expected to make early game reads.

For your Slam read I don't agree. It seems like Slam is earnestly trying to become mayor but it seems a bit out of character to me. He pretty frequently tries to lynch himself to avoid being in LYLO as town so I don't know why town Slam would want to place extra responsibility on himself to decide the lynch all by himself.

On November 24 2020 21:51 raynpelikoneet wrote:

Well in my opinion everyone should have at least some reads at this moment. I also dont have to go further than last game where hapa's second post in the game is a read, followed by almost all of his posts being reads.

On November 24 2020 06:34 Alakaslam wrote:

So, I think the campaign is actually in itself (due to timing) it’s own credence to the fact that my pliability is a good thing.

On November 24 2020 08:52 Trfel wrote:
I don't think anything people say would change my opinion of Alakaslam, I don't ask to figure out more about Alakaslam's alignment, rather I asked to try and help figure out yours. Your answer isn't particularly helpful, but it's also understandable, so not much was gained. Oh well.

For me, Alakaslam's mayor candidacy feels genuine. While I don't necessarily agree with his "pliable" argument, it seems to come from a town perspective. I also like his tone this game, it feels like a good balance between serious and playful, which I think is hard for Alakaslam as scum. I've seen him play both very joking and very serious as mafia, but a balance like shown here is harder to achieve.

On November 24 2020 15:28 Trfel wrote:
That's an interesting point about Alakaslam, I'll have ro think about that. His persistence about the mayor stuff with little substance is giving me pause too.

On November 24 2020 08:52 Trfel wrote:

For me, Alakaslam's mayor candidacy feels genuine. While I don't necessarily agree with his "pliable" argument, it seems to come from a town perspective. I also like his tone this game, it feels like a good balance between serious and playful, which I think is hard for Alakaslam as scum. I've seen him play both very joking and very serious as mafia, but a balance like shown here is harder to achieve.

On November 25 2020 00:42 Hapahauli wrote:
@ Jock

I have noticed that you have been critical of Slam's "joke" candidacy.

Why then are you voting for Grack's campaign?

On November 25 2020 00:56 Grackaroni wrote:
Is Rayn also not planning to run for Mayor?

On November 25 2020 01:04 Hapahauli wrote:


So is it fair to say that of the thread, you consider Grack the "towniest"?

On November 25 2020 15:56 Trfel wrote:
The more I think about it, the less I like Jockmcplop's criticisms of Alakaslam's mayoral run. I'm not sure how much incentive there is for mafia to want the mayor's bodyguard protection; how likely is it that mafia will be targeted with KP? There is no confirmed town KP, and a third party with KP (while not out of the question) would still have to target him, which is a bit strange too. Nothing Jockmcplop is saying is technically wrong: mafia could campaign to try and get the mayor protection and absolve themselves of responsibility by lynching town's target and getting townreads. But it's just not very compelling. Alakaslam could also be town doing exactly the same thing. The mafia motivation for that kind of play isn't really more compelling than the town motivation, I don't understand how it makes Alakaslam mafia.

I feel like I worded that poorly but it's late at night so I'm not sure if I can say it any better right now. Let me know if that doesn't make sense.

I think Jockmcplop is likely my top suspect at this time.

On November 25 2020 06:10 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I still don't know why Hapa doesn't want to be mayor. And it stinks. I dont necessarily buy the "i dont wanna be town leader" because to me it doesnt sit right. Why dont you want to lead the town if youre likely to be right (as you should at least think you are if youre town) and you are generally a good scumhunter? I just dont get it.

Especially coupled with one of Hapa's later posts:

Which of you everyone think Hapa does not fit these categories? Raise your hand and i will immediately call you mafia....

But that was not the main point. The main point was that i think both of Hapa and Trfel thinking it's a good observation that "rayn says he cannot read Slam and then reads him town anyways" is at best crappy as hell because good posts make people town and bad posts make them mafia most of the time. Slam made the best observation (at least in my mind -- and there should be no doubt about it for anyone who is reading the game properly) in the game at that point. No matter if i think i cant read slam i am going to give him town credit for that. Notably aswell, for Hapa this shouldnt be any surprise because in the last game i also said i cant read slam and i cant read acro and i was amongst the first to yell they are mafia....

So yeah there is that. Now i am going to look at the trfel/grack interaction and then post my reads.

On November 25 2020 21:20 Trfel wrote:
@First paragraph: I see, sorry I missed that.

@Second paragraph: It's the way that Alakaslam was going about his campaign that seemed towny to me, not the fact about it. Mostly a tonal read at first. I do think that the "pliability" argument is more likely to come from town, as (in my opinion) lynch blame doesn't really exist and as a result, it feels a bit strange for mafia to come up with that argument. But the tonal read was the main part of my read.

In other news, I really do want you to be town this game But right now, I'm just not seeing it. You feel minimally involved and not very invested. I assume you disagree with my assessment?

On November 25 2020 05:00 ShoCkeyy wrote:
I guess no one trusts me

On November 25 2020 23:30 Hapahauli wrote:
Mornin'.

So we have a lynch in 6 hours. This discussion needs to be about a) who is mayor, and b) who town wants dead. There are too many people talking about light suspicions and townreads. That is not important right now.

Trfel for mayor. Whoever is mayor should shoot Grack or Shockeyy.

I think Grack is mafia, and I think Trfel brought up the best point against him: he has been relatively active and running for mayor, but reading his filter, I have no sense of what is "platform" is and who he even wants lynched. That seems like the hallmark of scum "looking like they want to contribute."

Shockeyy is remarkably disengaged in this game. He is existing, but again, no idea of what he wants to accomplish beyond his mayoral preferences.

On November 25 2020 23:40 Vivax wrote:


I think he just wanted to make a funny entrance. Don't really see him being mafia atm.

Shockeyy is always like that. If I'd kill him then not because I think he's scum but because I will never be sure about what he is, probably.

Someone mentioned earlier that Jock seemed less analytical than in his usual town games and I'll agree. I also find it odd in his case that he doesn't think Trfel is town given when they have been teammates and imo Trfel doesn't post like in that game (the "Trfel help" one).

That said my lynch pool atm would be something along Shockeyy, Jock, Fefe. Maybe TickTock because he kinda stopped playing after getting townread by a few.

On November 25 2020 23:46 Vivax wrote:


I don't like this post because you say it's a problem that you don't know what a candidate wants to do, but what YOU want to do in regards of the lynch is not clear from your filter imo, and instead of talking about that you talk about mayoral candidates.

On November 25 2020 23:46 Vivax wrote:


Right, he was town when you said that.
But in the game right afterwards, I think you got lynched D1 and were in a team with him.

I also find it odd in his case that he doesn't think Trfel is town given when they have been teammates and imo Trfel doesn't post like in that game (the "Trfel help" one).

On November 26 2020 01:38 Grackaroni wrote:


His post about Trfel was a good one and I think he has the right view on Rayn. I'm not sure what his reasoning was for changing his mind on Slam.