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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
November 28 2020 06:22 GMT
#713
I am gonna write a post and dont you dare to go anywhere and not answer me TT.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
November 28 2020 07:05 GMT
#716
On November 28 2020 14:59 Tictock wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 28 2020 14:09 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I just got home but i have really no care level to talk with mafia.


This is a very mafia!Rayn post.

Hasn't shared much of a reason to backup his recent Trfel scum read, moved from Vivax to FF with little reason (also splitting the votes further on a majority lynch) also the Vivax stuff kinda just evaporated. Even said D1 he doesnt have the clearest scum reads.

I think this day phase has been the one of the most unproductive phases i have ever seen. People have just been +1'ing their own shit and never read anything other people have said.

Tomorrow (today), when i wake up i am going to spend the day i have telling why i think Jock is not mafia. It's up to you to believe it or not, and i dont even care if he comes back or not because in case he is actually mafia it's a fucking shitty thing to do to not play the game at any level.

I do not think i moved to FF with little reason. I found Vivax's post on Hapa's case pleasing for me. For that i dont think you can call me mafia in itself since i dont think there has been anyone since who has said/proved Vivax's answer is bullshit. In fact, everyone who has said their piece on that has had the same conclusion than i did.

I already had suspicion on FF before though. Even if Vivax is/was mafia, i have been thinking there is another mafia out there since everyone and their mom thinks Jock is mafia and i dont. There is nothing wrong in me trying to figure out Vivax's mafia partner in the first place. I had my eye on FF on D1 and after N1 i became more sure he is mafia.

I dont think his Jock scumread holds water. I dont think it's a legit read. I already made a post about it. If you disagree with it then you do but that's what i think. It also looked to me that he picked a target then started finding reasons to why they are mafia. Look at this post:
On November 27 2020 07:48 Fecalfeast wrote:
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On November 24 2020 20:49 Jockmcplop wrote:
On November 24 2020 14:09 Tictock wrote:
Took a quick break from leveling (about 40% in) to read and stretch.

I take Trfel's bumbling to be fairly genuine and am ok hand waving Gracks tone as town (honestly have only skimmed his posts though).

If I had to shoot anyone right now (who has posted) I would kill FF.

See you guys in a few more levels.


I saw you throw shade at FF a little yesterday. Why you after him?



One of his first posts is asking why someone threw shade when all they did was say they'd shoot me

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On November 24 2020 21:53 Jockmcplop wrote:
On November 24 2020 21:51 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On November 24 2020 21:00 Jockmcplop wrote:
On November 24 2020 09:19 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On November 24 2020 09:15 Alakaslam wrote:
On November 24 2020 09:13 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On November 24 2020 09:12 Alakaslam wrote:
Why is hapa NOT campaigning then?

Now this is actually a townie question i have been waiting anyone to ask.

Well

Yeah which is why you wanting it to be you or him was sus as hell but then Trfel came and put his pants on his head and shat on the carpet so I was too busy going “wtf” at that.

Plus the occam’s razor hamblin’s razor whichever one.

I dont know if you realised it but i have been kinda being after this from my first post to him. I guess i can reveal my this thing: now.
On November 24 2020 06:47 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Okay, we'll see about that later on then. Then i am also not gonna post the follow up i was going to yet.


I dont really think Hapa is town atm. I think he should at least maybe have some reads he doesnt atm.


What are you basing this off? Is it meta or just that in your opinion everyone should have reads at this point?

Well in my opinion everyone should have at least some reads at this moment. I also dont have to go further than last game where hapa's second post in the game is a read, followed by almost all of his posts being reads.


So when hap says he doesn't like to give reads early that should raise a huge red flag for you.


Shade at hapa that honestly jumped out at me more last night than it does now but I don't believe he followed up on this line of thought
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On November 25 2020 23:41 Jockmcplop wrote:
On November 25 2020 23:30 Hapahauli wrote:
Mornin'.

So we have a lynch in 6 hours. This discussion needs to be about a) who is mayor, and b) who town wants dead. There are too many people talking about light suspicions and townreads. That is not important right now.

Trfel for mayor. Whoever is mayor should shoot Grack or Shockeyy.

I think Grack is mafia, and I think Trfel brought up the best point against him: he has been relatively active and running for mayor, but reading his filter, I have no sense of what is "platform" is and who he even wants lynched. That seems like the hallmark of scum "looking like they want to contribute."

Shockeyy is remarkably disengaged in this game. He is existing, but again, no idea of what he wants to accomplish beyond his mayoral preferences.


I disagree that townreads aren't important right now. They pretty much narrow down the pool of who can be mayor.
Clearly shockeyy has no people townreading him so he won't be mayor.

Out of the people claiming they want to be mayor, only slam and ticktock have said what they will do if elected.

That's a problem. Out of those two I would probably prefer slam because at least he's been here enough that i'm confident he knows exactly what is happening.

I'm unvoting grack because I don't feel like he has continued to engage with the mayor thing at all really like he never really wanted to be mayor in the first place.

Trfel seems like an odd choice to me. He hasn't said he wanted to be mayor and has given no indication of what he would do if he was mayor. I can't vote for him anyway.

Going into the details of who he'd like to be mayor and saying his best candidate is slam just because slam "knows what's happening" which when trying to make the mayorship into your sole purpose seems pretty lackluster.

Then basically he posts who the mayor preferences are, says rayn is a good pick then disappears well before deadline.

Truly not the most solid ground to stand this scumread on but until I get back to my computer it's what I have

In the first two quotes (1) FF is painting Jock to ask for why does someone throw shame on someone else when they are just asking a question, into (2) jock is throwing shame by just asking a question. I mean like even i understand what jock's question for me was about and it is actually smart (if i was dumb mafia). If you cannot grasp it, then i am sorry you will probably continue on your path and shit the bed anyways.... The last quote is pretty weird because it seems like FF is scumreading Jock for the complete opposite reasons than majority of other people are. Never does he ever question any of that, it's like... do you think he is even reading the game?

My point on FF was that:
Short version is that during N1 there were two cases that rose, jock and vivax. I get the impression that FF doesnt even know what the cases are and just decided to pick one of those two to push without much thinking.

His answer is:
On November 28 2020 05:49 Fecalfeast wrote:
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On November 28 2020 04:40 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Anyways at first glance Vivax's post toward Hapa makes sense. I am however gonna go and check how Vivax treats lynches in situations he particularly included in his post and see if that actually holds water.

I still dont think jock is mafia. Some of the points against him are just plain out terrible and dont even make anyone mafia, and i can clearly see why jock has (or rather would) done those things as town. Some of the points are so so... It is true that he has done those things (like Viva too) but i am just very unsure here that jock doing thoses things would make him mafia. I still am interested in his answers to the accusations against him.

I however think FecalFeast is most likely mafia here. Short version is that during N1 there were two cases that rose, jock and vivax. I get the impression that FF doesnt even know what the cases are and just decided to pick one of those two to push without much thinking. There are things that support that point:
- He doesnt even know what the case against Vivax is. I understand choosing from 2 "lynch targets" but he hasnt even read the case against Vivax
- His points on jock mostly happened at the time he townread jock. I dont know how that makes sense because apparently he doesnt even share the same opinion that jock's "irrationality" during slam campaign is suspicious (as it's not in his case). He has never talked about it either so i believe he hasnt even read it. Or if he has read it why hasn't he commented on it, even with "i agree" or "i dont think that makes jock mafia", after all jock is his top scumread it seems?

For those things i think FF is mafia. I can elaborate further in case someone thinks i am being unclear here, but that's not gonna happen befor e my second shift ends (in 9 hours).

##unvote Vivax
##vote Fecalfeast

What if the bolded is true but I'm still not mafia?

Why do you guys let this happen? That is a scumclaim. Noone does this no matter how ignorant or what the fuck ever they are as town. And then everyone tells me "no i dont buy your case". Like what the fuck is wrong with everyone in this game, that's the closest to SCUMCLAIM you can have!!!! Jesus fuck.

FF just said he doesnt read, he doesnt care, he is just gonna pick a case from lynch targets and go with it. Zero individual thinking (you know that's what this game is about and what that means -- especially since some dumbass told people FF is town because "he doesnt care about survival"?). Use your brain pls.

I actually went to look for Vivax' games, i started with two of the latest that actually back his post towards Hapa. But they are a dumb setup games so i dont put much weigh on them. Then i got to this game. I started reading Vivax's filter and he had an argument with FF and i opened FF's filter. That was it, no more needed. See for yourself, and then think if this post holds any water:
On November 28 2020 07:19 Trfel wrote:
But if I am understanding it correctly, he's basically saying that you (FF) aren't actually reading the game and are deciding your scumreads at random, and most of the reasons are proofs of this. Unfortunately I don't think that makes you mafia which is disappointing to say.

Furthermore:
On November 28 2020 10:26 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 27 2020 08:39 Trfel wrote:
Voted for Jockmcplop for now anyway, as I'm much more confident in him being mafia. Probably okay with consolidating on Vivax if needed

Show nested quote +
On November 28 2020 07:37 Trfel wrote:
I wouldn't be too sad if Fecalfeast is lynched



Show nested quote +
On November 28 2020 09:13 Trfel wrote:
On November 28 2020 09:06 Tictock wrote:
Phone posting and my keyboard is acting up (thing my case puts pressure on the screen sometimes and my keyboard glitches out). So going into lurker mode as typing sucks
Noooo, talk to me.....

@ShoCkeyy, why are you changing votes (assuming you are)? I know you said you can see both Jockmcplop and Vivax as mafia, but it's hard for me to see you actually caring about who gets lynched, you just seem to be willing to vote for whoever thread sentiment is against. On one hand it's good to be willing to consolidate in a majority lynch game, on the other hand it seems suspect to not even care...

There is this dude who just did that. Trfel. Then there is this dude who openly claimed to basically doing that. Well unfortunately it doesn't make him mafia, maybe it could make shockeyy mafia instead??

the plot thickens!

I think people in mafia games play as they preach. I you think wall of text's are useless bullshit and noone ever reads them, then you dont write a WoT (hapa knows what i am talking about here lol). Trfel does the same thing he is basically accusing shockeyy for. Not to mention there is no problem for Trfel when FF does that, fucking openly... :D For FF this scummy thing is "just an everyday town behavior" (which it even isn't), for himself it's okay, but maybe shockeyy is mafia for that??? It does not make any sense and i am not gonna buy he does that as town. No.

So, yea this post is bullshit as I don't believe Rayn has this strong of a scum read on anyone this game. Seems like an excuse.

So yea, my posts are not bullshit, and i think it's bullshit to claim i cannot have a strong scumread at this point of the game so you do what you do i am gonna solve this game regardless of you fuckers wanna listen to me or not.

Peace.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
November 28 2020 07:13 GMT
#719
On November 28 2020 16:09 Tictock wrote:
Show nested quote +
I mean like even i understand what jock's question for me was about and it is actually smart (if i was dumb mafia). If you cannot grasp it, then i am sorry you will probably continue on your path and shit the bed anyways....


This is the reason why people dislike playing with you rayn

Then why dont they ask me?

Jock thinks at this point that i am being too "soft" for hapa. I said i think hapa might be scum, he asks if it's a scumread or not and i answer. He doesnt push it further because my answer is okay for him.

Had i said "no not really do i think it looks bad for hapa" then he had called me mafia.

That's that.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
November 28 2020 07:14 GMT
#720
On November 28 2020 16:12 Tictock wrote:
That post by FF is not a scumclaim Rayn. Fuck off with your ego when you just assume random shit. Why could that post not come from a town!FF?

It is closest to a mafia post this game will ever get lol even if he is not mafia
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
November 28 2020 07:15 GMT
#721
Like literally TT, it is...
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
November 28 2020 07:20 GMT
#723
Wait what? I have said shockeyy is town since forever.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
November 28 2020 07:21 GMT
#724
On November 25 2020 23:55 raynpelikoneet wrote:

I am atually starting to think shockeyy is town too. His disapproval about Gracks campaign and the "opposition" sounds like fucking convoluted way to make a read in case he is mafia, let alone if he was mafia with Grack (as hapa seems to be suggesting lol). Also shockeyy did that oncee before too, where he thought i must be mafia because i had some rolename he thought has to be mafia.

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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
November 28 2020 07:23 GMT
#726
I have explained my town read on Jock? Do i have to look for it?

What is this other shit?
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
November 28 2020 07:25 GMT
#727
Well it is he hasn't done any dumbass shit and the cases against him are crap but i am polite enough to wait for HIM to say something about it.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
November 28 2020 07:28 GMT
#729
On November 26 2020 04:20 raynpelikoneet wrote:
FF. Definitely not jock. I can put a collection of his dumb posts when i get home, it always happens when he is mafia and 90% of the time it happens D1, here it has not happened. I mean like he says something absolutely retarded.

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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
November 28 2020 07:29 GMT
#730
Then people agreed with that. I can still do that if you want me to.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
November 28 2020 07:31 GMT
#731
On November 28 2020 16:28 Tictock wrote:
Whatever Rayn

I dont get it, it is all there in the thread? What am i doing wrong THIS time?
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
November 28 2020 07:38 GMT
#732
i guess i am sorry.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
November 28 2020 07:42 GMT
#735
idk, when anyone tries to meta rayn?
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
November 28 2020 07:45 GMT
#737
On November 28 2020 16:42 Tictock wrote:
That means nothing to me, sorry.

That is on the level of "he only posts this seal as town"

Sure, maybe it is true. But there is absolutely no reason why it can't be wrong.

Right. I dont think any of your cases hold water. Because i think i know Jock, and i think you guys assume he is more experienced player than he is. But i am not gonna speak for him, unless something is really bs, like FF's points on him are.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
November 28 2020 07:46 GMT
#738
And that Vivax thing i already debunked.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
November 28 2020 07:56 GMT
#741
Yes i think he is being hypocritical. Let me ask you, do you think you are being hypocritical when you play mafia? In sense of gameplay and what you believe makes people mafia?
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
November 28 2020 08:04 GMT
#744
Okay whenever you get to this think about it:

Trfel wants to lynch jock. He was also okay with lynching Vivax and didnt really care if FF dies. There has to be at least one town there. Unless you want to believe there is 3 mafia. Do you think Trfel ever actually tried to discern which is the push that is incorrect?
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
November 28 2020 08:06 GMT
#745
That's why i have a problem with him being "okay with all of these three being lynched" (while not really doing anything except for saying "jock is MY mafia read"), and then questioning shockeyy for consolidating.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
November 28 2020 08:12 GMT
#746
On November 28 2020 17:01 Tictock wrote:
I also think that when people change their thinking or are reacting to an immediate situation they often behave in ways that contradict what they say

Of course, i think people in this game (you too -- actually towards me) have been using this as a scapegoat to call someone mafia. That's why i asked you if it bothers you that you call me mafia for having reads and other people call me mafia for NOT having reads.

It just doesnt mean anything lol ^^
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