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Jockmcplop
United Kingdom9621 Posts
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Conversion
United States3308 Posts
On August 26 2019 07:27 Jockmcplop wrote: One thing I noticed (probably best not to listen to anything i say though) is that no-one from town realized that there was never really a plan and everyone was in their own little world. Eywa actually had a good plan and I'm surprised that no-one mentioned killing rayn day 3 just off the back of that (which is why i thought i had to bus rayn at the start of day 3), but everyone went back to improvising and trying to figure it out themselves. It means you can be more active as mafia and its no longer obvious because the organization isn't there. The games I've been involved in here where town has had alot of success were the ones where people were cooperating on PoE and getting information but it just seemed like there wasn't enough of that in this game. But I'm a stupid Jock and have no idea what I'm talking about  tbh you are right but you don’t practice what you preach either the biggest problem I’ve seen in the recent two games I was in, one as mafia and one as town, is that two town groups form and when people as a group lynch into the other town group, they refuse to re-evaluate their stances or reads bc everyone believes they are some infallible mafia god and only after their lynch is had they will begin to think that maybe someone they think is town is actually not mafia. or their lynch is had but they can’t seem to let go that maybe leading a town lynch means your tip top 100% can never be mafia read is perhaps shit and needs to be re evaluated ofc this doesn’t exclude me either | ||
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Jockmcplop
United Kingdom9621 Posts
On August 26 2019 08:32 Conversion wrote: tbh you are right but you don’t practice what you preach either the biggest problem I’ve seen in the recent two games I was in, one as mafia and one as town, is that two town groups form and when people as a group lynch into the other town group, they refuse to re-evaluate their stances or reads bc everyone believes they are some infallible mafia god and only after their lynch is had they will begin to think that maybe someone they think is town is actually not mafia. or their lynch is had but they can’t seem to let go that maybe leading a town lynch means your tip top 100% can never be mafia read is perhaps shit and needs to be re evaluated ofc this doesn’t exclude me either Absolutely, I'm a poor town player - I'm not trying to throw shade at all - i was speaking from a scum perspective from this game. Maybe I'll learn from it. | ||
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Eversince
Philippines2301 Posts
HF nailed this I think. Unfortunately we aren't young and have tons of free time anymore. That list '1 hour/ day' starts to hit really hard when you are hard press to even manage that! But we all love game so we still play  !It's really hard to plan as town when half your playerbase is afk. + you have a few wildcards. I was actually impress with Chezinu this game because he kind of maintain usual style but made obvious how he got places. I wasn't saying on this because I'm obvious have bias opinion because I know roles whole game but meh, thoughts for you! | ||
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wherebugsgo
Japan10647 Posts
On August 26 2019 07:27 Jockmcplop wrote: One thing I noticed (probably best not to listen to anything i say though) is that no-one from town realized that there was never really a plan and everyone was in their own little world. Eywa actually had a good plan and I'm surprised that no-one mentioned killing rayn day 3 just off the back of that (which is why i thought i had to bus rayn at the start of day 3), but everyone went back to improvising and trying to figure it out themselves. It means you can be more active as mafia and its no longer obvious because the organization isn't there. The games I've been involved in here where town has had alot of success were the ones where people were cooperating on PoE and getting information but it just seemed like there wasn't enough of that in this game. But I'm a stupid Jock and have no idea what I'm talking about wp Jock  I sort of passively watched this game and the theme is still the same. Townies just aren’t cooperating. Both Eywa and HF are pretty spot on in their own ways. But really the key is that a single player cannot ever win the game by themselves. Actually engaging constructively seems really hard because of all the egos involved (myself included) Also hosting takes a lot of effort and I’m eternally appreciative for people who host. However just IMO based on the games I’ve participated in (and this is not a jab to you specifically, slam, it’s just in general) hosting mistakes seem to have gone up. Specifically for this game, slam, I realize the theme of the game is somewhat of a trip but ultimately what matters is how easy it is for players to understand mod actions and the game state. I don’t really want to spend time reading a modpost which is weirdly formatted where I can barely identify who died (it took me like a whole minute to confirm the scumteam in the endgame post) and the 2 KP thing is not good either because an observer I also had no idea that was happening. Everyone’s intentions are (hopefully) good, but from the outside only your actions are visible. And I think this applies to both hosting and playing. | ||
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Grackaroni
United States9846 Posts
He was totally WARDER. | ||
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Grackaroni
United States9846 Posts
Rayn fooled me with his rage quit post but it seems like most of OBS aside from me wasn't fooled. | ||
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wherebugsgo
Japan10647 Posts
On August 26 2019 10:06 Grackaroni wrote: "I sort of passively watched this game and the theme is still the same. Townies just aren’t cooperating." He was totally WARDER. Yes totally :p + Show Spoiler + Before anyone thinks I’m being serious I wasn’t in the game lol | ||
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Eywa-
Canada4876 Posts
On August 26 2019 10:14 Grackaroni wrote: From the parts I saw I really thought Jock was legit town and Squishy mafia from where Jock was pushing Squishy. Rayn fooled me with his rage quit post but it seems like most of OBS aside from me wasn't fooled. I don't really get why people were scum reading Squishy tbh... Like, I saw the arguments for it, but I think those arguments are critically flawed and generally NAI. | ||
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Grackaroni
United States9846 Posts
On August 26 2019 10:19 Eywa- wrote: I don't really get why people were scum reading Squishy tbh... Like, I saw the arguments for it, but I think those arguments are critically flawed and generally NAI. Mine came from the posts around the start of day 2. On August 20 2019 15:00 Jockmcplop wrote: What you're saying is if you cherry pick Vivax's filter it confirms what you were already thinking? Seems you were very ready to go on that little theory as soon as the night kill came in though... On August 20 2019 15:02 Jockmcplop wrote: I think squishy just went straight to the top of my scumpile. | ||
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Eywa-
Canada4876 Posts
On August 26 2019 10:33 Grackaroni wrote: Mine came from the posts around the start of day 2. That's the thing, cherry picking reads and information isn't alignment indicative whatsoever... There is a ton of information in the thread, everyone is cherry picking what they believe is relevant or what they believe people will buy into. | ||
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Alakaslam
United States17336 Posts
I felt scrambled first of all, and didn’t know what I wanted to run. Hence the polls and whatnot. But second, I felt there was a strange prevalence of mod confirmations made by not mods, and a lack of questions in my inbox (the one who gets emails pushed to his phone) but rather emails in the inbox of a very busy person who has limited net access. On August 19 2019 13:52 reps)squishy wrote: Chezinu's posts have zero substance. Lynching a lurker is ok, but I really don't think he'll turn out to be mafia. WARDER is getting auto-killed from not posting. What is the point of voting for him? I think it's weird that Vivax dropped the vote on me. Follow through with the shots you take! Don't try to vote me because I looked juicy and people didn't jump on board so you go for someone who has not made a single post. Copcake yo I don't need your protection. But I am suspicious of people who are on my case. This was the most gross example I noticed. I was like “Wtf? No, I didn’t say that? I plan to replace him and Conversion already confirmed he can! Well, it would introduce host wifom to say anything...” And town didn’t listen anyway. But things like this kept happening and leading the town astray. Someone talked about number of night kills, and the mafia team asked about it while town members knew about it. I thought “it shouldn’t matter; the strategy remains the same basically, but at this point if it reveals a player it would be unfair to scum to give info to the town about what they asked and I said in QT. After all, I can see that some players knew about it and are being scum read for that, which is bullshit. So what can I say? Well, clearly since town players know, I can safely say that anyone could have known. Even that is kinda unfair to scum, but fuck it they were winning and it’s at least not cheating. And it should clear the poor sot who dared to fucking pay attention and is now scumread for it. I mean, god damn when I rushed the game start to accommodate player IRL schedules, I didn’t remember to update all the details of my OP and was under the impression we wanted a closed setup. I think I bent backwards pretty far. Eventually, I felt guilty for not adding much flavor so I made the endgame post flavorful but if that was hard to read, well, Yeah I said Raynpelikoneet jockmcplop plus other words, isenglishhardertoreadwithnospaces? Thenitisgoodpracticedoitmore. Idk, I flavor games how I flavor games. I can make totally vanilla really easily but I feel like an endgame post should be all flavor. The theme of this game was a genre of music that frequently involves the breaking down of old equipment and tech as a sampled, intentional element. Maybe that was too clever for anyone else. ***END SELF DEFENSE RANT*** So I was pretty lazy hosting this too. I admit it. But the nice thing was, I kinda kept tabs on the game. Usually I am too busy counting votes to do that. + Show Spoiler + Eversince da best I was most impressed with Eywa- and Vivax, but I could see abrasive behavior killing the game and I called the outcome in my mind soon as wetass was lynched. WARTASS. WARDER. That guy. I think, all Eywa- needs is diplomacy and all Vivax needs is for people to recognize he has been right 4 out of 5 times lately. HF just needs people to quit fearing his scum play so much, and Rayn actually had a reason for his rant anyway. Last game was BS that he got lynched. | ||
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Eversince
Philippines2301 Posts
(edit)this was especially true for CC check etc where I was left to make decision in hurry and it literally was 180 on one they made or wasn't around to make | ||
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Alakaslam
United States17336 Posts
On August 26 2019 12:54 Eversince wrote: in Slam defense too I was very very engaging on options for things... He wasn't always around so I just make decision myself and then Slam/TS left fixing problems I left. All mod action doesn't apply to me here but they had a LOT of extra work from me as learner host. (edit)this was especially true for CC check etc where I was left to make decision in hurry and it literally was 180 on one they made or wasn't around to make Start at 30 seconds in I get to be the American fatass | ||
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CopCake
4378 Posts
I feel embarrased a little bit but I know my “moon magic” logic is not taken seriously. The first person ever to call out Jock was me for his “ he is doing filters to look town” and I got shut down. | ||
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Eversince
Philippines2301 Posts
[edit] I'm look at this again now later... I mean you big lovable bear Slam <3!!! | ||
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Eywa-
Canada4876 Posts
On August 26 2019 13:08 CopCake wrote: It is just a game, people need to relax. I feel embarrased a little bit but I know my “moon magic” logic is not taken seriously. The first person ever to call out Jock was me for his “ he is doing filters to look town” and I got shut down. o.o I had him in a poe of 2 and you refused to vote for him at any point this game. I don't think that one time you called him out counts for much. | ||
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Tubesock
United States2726 Posts
On August 26 2019 12:54 Eversince wrote: in Slam defense too I was very very engaging on options for things... He wasn't always around so I just make decision myself and then Slam/TS left fixing problems I left. All mod action doesn't apply to me here but they had a LOT of extra work from me as learner host. (edit)this was especially true for CC check etc where I was left to make decision in hurry and it literally was 180 on one they made or wasn't around to make The only thing I would mention is in host qt instead of saying “hey XX pm’d me anyone around?” Actually say what their pm question was so that once the host checks in he/she only needs to answer rather than wait for you to tell them what the question was. Plus it’s easier for everyone to stay informed. I should have after nearing N1 end said that I haven’t received CopCakes check. Then Slam could have said something, or you saying she sent you one. Or whatever then we would have a discussion about the response. | ||
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Jockmcplop
United Kingdom9621 Posts
On August 26 2019 13:08 CopCake wrote: It is just a game, people need to relax. I feel embarrased a little bit but I know my “moon magic” logic is not taken seriously. The first person ever to call out Jock was me for his “ he is doing filters to look town” and I got shut down. I would have also done that as town in that situation. I'm not beyond putting an extra bit of effort in in the early game. I had the feeling you were generally suspicious of me until the 2kp thing happened though, it seemed like constant effort to stay ahead of your suspiciousness and that actually made me make a few mistakes (that Eywa noticed). About that, I didn't know until i mentioned it in the thread, and rayn wasn't about, so i had to make the decision whether to push for a no-lynch and get the BS win or take the credit. I didn't feel it was unfair to take the towncred for it. | ||
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Eversince
Philippines2301 Posts
On August 26 2019 15:13 Jockmcplop wrote: I would have also done that as town in that situation. I'm not beyond putting an extra bit of effort in in the early game. I had the feeling you were generally suspicious of me until the 2kp thing happened though, it seemed like constant effort to stay ahead of your suspiciousness and that actually made me make a few mistakes (that Eywa noticed). About that, I didn't know until i mentioned it in the thread, and rayn wasn't about, so i had to make the decision whether to push for a no-lynch and get the BS win or take the credit. I didn't feel it was unfair to take the towncred for it. I think you did amazing game Jock! You even manage to cover for Rayn a little sine he couldn't be around. I get you had to bus in end but sheesh you held that off so long! I'm super impressed ! I'm die on my feet so I'm just drop off sometime soon.. just bored and want someone to talking to :p! | ||
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