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On August 22 2019 06:55 Jockmcplop wrote:Show nested quote +On August 22 2019 06:46 CopCake wrote:
You dont change votes just like if it was underwear.
The case was done, makes sense, look at the reactions of Ewya.
Why do you want to change it? Every time squishy posts it screams mafia at me and I gave him another chance but its just more scummy bullshit from him. Its really obvious. I'm putting my vote right now where I think I have the best chance to hit scum. You're honestly telling me eywa's reactions are more mafia than squishy's? If eywa's mafia he at least knows how to fake being town sometimes. Squishy's entire game plan here is mafia. He completely changed his read on you cake from mafia to town because you came and defended his post history which was mentioning you roughly once in a 2 page filter before you suddenly becoming one of his biggest scumreads when he wanted to make a list post. Then two people vote for him and WOW he has a reason to townread you now and coincidentally the people he most thinks are scum are the people who voted for him. Not that he gives a shit at all whether anyone else thinks they're scum because he's just trying to survive.
How does anything that squishy has done so far help town?
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On August 23 2019 02:31 reps)squishy wrote:Show nested quote +On August 22 2019 18:33 Jockmcplop wrote:On August 22 2019 18:25 raynpelikoneet wrote:
You write stuff like "dont lynch eywa just because there is a shiny case on him with pictures" and shit. did you even read the case? WHY would you lynch a person IF NOT because there is a CASE on them?????????????
Also seriously, you of all the people should understand my case and respect it. Like this is literally what eywa did with both you and me:
During night 1: "I think jock is mafia (because of his D1 play)".
"why is jock mafia"
"Jock is mafia because of something he did during D2"
Like why would a townie EVER EVER EVER post something like that??? You should never assume that kind of thought process comes from a townie in case you are town, because it never should come from town. If you're making a case or telling why someone is mafia you don't only post half of the reasons why you think they are mafia, you post all the reasons why you think they are mafia, unless ofc you are mafia and have just decided on who to call mafia and THEN start finding out those reasons and just fuck up because you can't make up anything from before.
Like, especially for you, your defense on Eywa makes no fucking sense at all. My defense of eywa wasn't based on your case not being good, or even a real defense of eywa at all, I said there were little things in his favour compared to squishy. I honestly still thought eywa would probably flip red but squishy is my lynch target because he is scum 100% and although it was interesting to see everyone jump on the eywa wagon with zero resistance I wanted to see if people would also do that with squishy if I gave them the choice to. I was trying to lynch scum I was also trying to gain information by seeing who was willing to put their votes on different people, but it didn't really work because everyone just left their vote with eywa. Just trying to get a vote train on me. FF and you Jock. When it fails ##unvote. How about making points other than, he’s 100 percent scum! What has he done for town? I know I look suspicious because my way of figuring things out is accusing and seeing how people respond
You know you look suspicious yet I am scum for thinking you are suspicious.
Good shit.
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What?
I'm confused.
Is anyone around at the moment? I think I need to re-evaluate ALOT.
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On August 23 2019 06:06 CopCake wrote:Show nested quote +On August 23 2019 06:02 raynpelikoneet wrote:On August 23 2019 05:59 CopCake wrote:
My other team combo is FF and Jock, mostly because they seem to fight and push an agenda, it is like they are carrying sword and dance with them trying to sell it as if it was a big discussion like the battle of the bastards. what do you mean by pushing an agenda? They tried to get me lynched but you defended me. They have done that shit several times during the game, not just with me.
Okay copcake can you point out where this happened because I'm pretty sure I called you town from right near the beginning of the game and never once tried to get you lynched.
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Come on guys I've got loads of time while I'm at work today let's get stuff done.
I'm going to make a start:
I don't think squishy is mafia any more. Mafia squishy has literally zero reasons to kill FF. That doesn't make sense at all. That means that there's a little bit more PoE data in the thread and I think we can figure this out.
Squishy is now my tip top town guy.
Possible/likely mafia teams from my POV:
HF & Rayn - Nothing would surprise me when it comes to these two and I'm not discounting it as a possibility but something about hf yesterday made me think it was town hf. He has a kind of routine for night 2 that i've noticed although its easily fakeable as mafia i guess. This team kinda makes sense from the point of view of the night kill.
FF was working with me or at least willing to - also with myself and him being targets for squishy & copcake they just had to kill one of us and push a mislynch on the other (watch out for hf trying to push a lynch on me today)
Chez & Rayn - Entirely possible - likely even? What can you even say about Chezinu? As the game goes on he should be contributing more, not less, otherwise there's no point in his early game weirdness. He's supposed to survive the early game and then come into his own later not just survive and then disappear.
Chez & HF - Well hf seems to not really see chezinu as a possible lynch so far. I don't know if that really tells us anything though.
The issue i have with chez being mafia is that he would have been better off killing someone other than FF, like squishy would. Its never a good move for either of them.
Copcake & rayn
MASSIVE FEELINGS ABOUT THIS ONE. I've been townreading copcake all game but now's the time to change my reads completely and copcake's filter when it comes to rayn is dodgy as fuck. No deviation from protecting him at all times:
+ Show Spoiler +On August 20 2019 23:50 CopCake wrote:
Maybe I am being too nip ticky with the way he anf the others did.
To answer your question, I don’t know I cant see rayn as mafia in this game. The only one I want to lynch atm is FF.
On August 21 2019 12:37 CopCake wrote:Show nested quote +On August 21 2019 12:29 Chezinu wrote:On August 18 2019 02:12 Vivax wrote:
IIRC last time I played with cake I misread her scum because some things in her posts just didn't seem to add up. I'm not going to try that approach again. Cake is getting the inconsistent townie pass. Ok, Eywa... you gotz to let dead people speak for you. This is how you fights back. Yo! HF!!! check this out!! On August 18 2019 02:55 Vivax wrote:On August 18 2019 02:53 raynpelikoneet wrote:
And why is that? Because you are scum I believe rayn is scum cause Vivax was after him. Meta has changed so much lately (you know it has changed, you admitted this yourself) that mafia can kill people who come after them and think they will get away with it cause it would be "too obvious!" Hi! I'll fight you if you touch rayn. On August 21 2019 13:00 CopCake wrote:Show nested quote +On August 21 2019 12:50 Chezinu wrote:
Anyways, what do you think about Holyflare? Is his rigid logical style too harsh? Would he play this as mafia to hide his emotions? HF is town. (To me) Because he had been patient mostly. The whole HF vs Rayn reminded me the last game I played here. Besides all the agenda Ewya has been pushing is to separate HF and Rayn. I would dare say that FF has been trying that too with the "This is something HF mafia would do". On August 21 2019 23:27 CopCake wrote:
Thinking about it, it doesnt make sense a Rayn/HF team.
On August 22 2019 00:24 CopCake wrote:
Q: Hey Cake, in your last games... did people call rayn mafia and build cases against him?
Cake: Yes.
Q: Did you call him town?
Cake: Yes.
Q: Was he town?
Cake: Yes.
Q: Were you town in those games?
Cake: Yes.
- shrugs -
I think he is town here also. On August 22 2019 02:16 CopCake wrote:
Rayn is town, why are you doubting him now? Because he “handed in” Ewya?
On August 20 2019 05:10 CopCake wrote:
I don't know what you mean with “leg work” but Rayn explained to Vivax why I am town in his mindset and told me that Vivax is town directly to me.
This looks really bad, along with the blatant buddying of squishy. Protect rayn, buddy squishy and go after jock/hf/chezinu. Seems like a perfect plan for copcake to be honest.
Squishy I would say don't fall for copcake's buddying at this point. Just because she has relentlessly townread you all game doesn't mean she is town for it. I called you mafia because I thought you were mafia, copcake seemed to know you were town immediately and never deviated from that for a second.
Copcake & HF doesn't really make alot of sense. Copcake has been inferring that hf is probably mafia without saying it alot and that doesn't strike me as the kind of thing mafia would do.
ie the whole 'one of rayn/hf could be mafia and it isn't rayn' thing.
Copcake & Chezinu is the other likely combination. It could be a thing but I would need help on that because I can't read Chezinu for shit and he doesn't even fit anywhere in my PoE :/
Out of all these the most likely are:
So for me, 2/3 of rayn, copcake and chez are likely mafia.
I'd like other people's input on this as much as possible please. I think we can get some good action going today but only if people actually turn up and start posting.
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On August 23 2019 18:49 raynpelikoneet wrote:
So your only townread is HF who has done exactly what besides eywa lynch?
I agree squishy is not mafia. Why does the reasoning you presented however apply to squishy but not cake?
Furthermore i am just waiting for answers to my questions. I dont understand what i am supposed to do or how am i supposed to play if people dont even give me the courtesy to answer very clear questions presented to them.
I ANSWERED YOUR FUCKING QUESTIONS.
Just because you ignore the answer/pretend it isn't there doesn't mean no-one answered you.
Go back and quote the question you asked me and I will quote the answer for you.
My actual main townread right now is squishy, not hf. HF is a town lean of sorts. Its mostly to do with how his reads have evolved/flowed, it seems natural and normal to me. His night 2 was typical of town hf (although like I said that is fakeable). Also of all the combinations, hf/rayn and hf/cake don't make that much sense to me and honestly i tihnk one of you and cake is mafia.
Why does the reasoning apply to squishy and not cake? Squishy's lynch targets were technically the same as cakes but I get the feeling that although cake kept SAYING FF/Jock she was really angling to push HF and I. That's why she kept saying stuff about one of you/hf being mafia while simultaneously protecting you at any cost.
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On August 23 2019 19:05 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Well if that was your final answer during N2 then i think youre mafia. I believe you, based on the available information, would consider eywa more likely to be mafia than squishy during D2. I dont believe in the reasoning you provised.
Typical rayn.
You make a case and anyone who doesn't fall in line immediately must be mafia.
I was saying squishy was my number one mafia choice THE ENTIRE TIME since before you made the case on eywa. Just because you make a good case it doesn't mean anyoen who doesn't believe it is scum.
Also what good info did we get off simply going for a day 2 wagon off the first available case and then sticking there? Fuck all. At least if people had moved to squishy we would have had better PoE info with our mislynch. As it was we got nothing, and you are pissed at me for trying to make something happen? PUH-LEASE
I think the most likely thing here is that you are mafia and that copcake and yourself were going to try and push me as the mislynch today.
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On August 23 2019 19:18 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Why am i mafia if that's typical rayn?
You aren't a good enough scum player to emulate typical rayn in a way that benefits your scum team?
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On August 23 2019 02:31 Holyflare wrote:
I'm gonna vote rayn tomorrow.
Yeah?
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Maybe I'm wrong on copcake and its rayn/chezinu.
I'm having to kind of twist things to get it to fit copcake. I don't like it. I just built a massive case on her because of her buddying of squishy but it all just doesn't quite fit with the FF night kill.
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On August 23 2019 21:56 CopCake wrote:
It is rayn and HF or Rayn and Chezinu
No way in hell Rayn survives two nights.
No way in hell HF survives two nights.
They should have gotten something by now.
I like it. Let's work together.
I still think hf is town. I hope I'm not wrong. Now its both you and eywa who think hf is scum though so i doubt myself.
If its rayn and hf I'm gonna rage so hard after the game about that rayn post earlier. I would literally never stop flaming either of them for the rest of eternity.
One question.. why not hf and chezinu?
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ARG copcake we need a wagon so you pick the ONE out of chez rayn and hf that's hardest for me to lynch
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Copcake talk to me let's figure this out?
Don't just say you're going with your gut what are all the reasons i should vote hf instead of rayn?
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Its so annoying trying to get everyone organized when no-one's ever here 
We should have at least 3 people on a wagon already.
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On August 24 2019 02:40 Holyflare wrote:
I don't know why you've gone off squishy being mafia by the way. FF was a big proponent for lynching him wasn't he?
Yeah but mafia squishy killing FF makes zero sense in terms of the lynches squishy and copcake were pushing (myself and FF).
FF was squishy's lynch vote yesterday, he would have had at least copcake. Killing town FF also discredits both squishy and copcakes main argument for me being scum which was that i was communicating with FF. So all squishy's work so far is gone with FF dead.
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On August 24 2019 02:44 CopCake wrote:Show nested quote +On August 24 2019 02:30 Jockmcplop wrote:Its so annoying trying to get everyone organized when no-one's ever here We should have at least 3 people on a wagon already. I am here. I decided it could be HF just by the way he just jumped on rayn’s case against Ewya, I dont want to believe that the rage post comes from mafia rayn. I said it before, the only times I have seen him rage like that he has been town.
Interesting. I was looking at the people who got on eywa's wagon early in the day and never moved. HF is one of those. Chezinu and FF both were at least willing to vote squishy and get the wagon off eywa (who is a great kill for mafia night 2 because his monotonous accusing style gets stronger as the game goes on).
Now he's trying to get me to go back to squishy as well which I don't think is smart actually. Squishy's never mafia killing FF when he spent a whole day setting up the 'jock and FF are communicating' thing as his main read.
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On August 24 2019 02:53 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On August 24 2019 02:51 Holyflare wrote:On August 24 2019 02:50 Jockmcplop wrote:On August 24 2019 02:44 CopCake wrote:On August 24 2019 02:30 Jockmcplop wrote:Its so annoying trying to get everyone organized when no-one's ever here We should have at least 3 people on a wagon already. I am here. I decided it could be HF just by the way he just jumped on rayn’s case against Ewya, I dont want to believe that the rage post comes from mafia rayn. I said it before, the only times I have seen him rage like that he has been town. Interesting. I was looking at the people who got on eywa's wagon early in the day and never moved. HF is one of those. Chezinu and FF both were at least willing to vote squishy and get the wagon off eywa (who is a great kill for mafia night 2 because his monotonous accusing style gets stronger as the game goes on). Now he's trying to get me to go back to squishy as well which I don't think is smart actually. Squishy's never mafia killing FF when he spent a whole day setting up the 'jock and FF are communicating' thing as his main read. ???????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????? Show nested quote +On August 21 2019 18:21 Holyflare wrote:
Think squishy is mafia too. Too much tmi stuff. Show nested quote +On August 22 2019 04:15 Holyflare wrote:
Eywa the only person other than you that I would vote would be squishy. You down for shenanigans? Show nested quote +On August 22 2019 09:36 Holyflare wrote:
Your only hope is voting squishy I guess.
Oh I actually forgot about that I was just looking at the vote thread tbh.
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OK squishy where you at right now? If you had to make a choice this minute who dies? If you go with copcake on hf I've got a hard decision to make because like i said before he's pretty much the hardest one for me to lynch right now (yourself excluded)
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