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CopCake
Profile Joined August 2015
4378 Posts
August 23 2019 22:01 GMT
#1121
On August 24 2019 06:58 Holyflare wrote:
I am in a really foul mood after this 2kp bull shit by the way.

Not only have I outed myself as a VT if we lynch correctly but if Squishy is town then they know he is very probably a VT too. That gives them a 50% chance to kill the cop instead of the max 33% that I had planned.


How do you know this?

Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
August 23 2019 22:02 GMT
#1122
On August 24 2019 07:01 CopCake wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 24 2019 06:58 Holyflare wrote:
I am in a really foul mood after this 2kp bull shit by the way.

Not only have I outed myself as a VT if we lynch correctly but if Squishy is town then they know he is very probably a VT too. That gives them a 50% chance to kill the cop instead of the max 33% that I had planned.


How do you know this?


On August 24 2019 05:47 reps)squishy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 24 2019 05:38 Holyflare wrote:
On August 24 2019 05:36 reps)squishy wrote:
On August 24 2019 05:28 Holyflare wrote:
On August 24 2019 05:01 reps)squishy wrote:
On August 24 2019 04:52 CopCake wrote:
On August 24 2019 04:47 Jockmcplop wrote:
On August 24 2019 04:46 CopCake wrote:
I am dumb, someone explain me that?



Yeah. It makes the game easier to solve by PoE because there are fewer players. Its optimal to have an odd number of players, right?


But having more people alive = harder for mafia to win.

There is no benefit for town to lynch blindy.


Mafia gets two kills that will be definitive town. That basically = two mislynches.
If we mislynch then mafia gets a nk. That is the same thing.

Or we correctly lynch! And mafia gets 1 kill.

I don't know why we would ever no lynch. Unless someone can explain it to me like I am five why no lynch is a good idea.


On August 24 2019 05:01 Jockmcplop wrote:
On the other hand, we definitely shouldn't mislynch because Slam tells me that mafia gets 2 night kills tonight.



Nope nope nope. Mafia, mafia, mafia. Your post came before Jock's

Unlucky.


I was trying to comprehend what no lynch would do. And why no lynch would be a good thing? If we no lynch they get two town kills yes?

Now mafia gets two town kills regardless? After Jock's pm


How do mafia get 2 town kills if we no lynch? On what planet is that correct unless you know mafia gets 2 kills?


I literally had no idea what I was talking about. I read your if there is 2nk post here:

https://tl.net/forum/postmessage.php?quote=1033&topic_id=550431

And I took it at face value to why no lynch would be good.

I am vanilla town. Remember reading this would be a VERY vanilla game because it is vaporwave. Well I am the third vanilla towny. I may have just thrown this game for town because I did not know what I was talking about.


Just taking his post at face value, the tone seemed pretty townie.
CopCake
Profile Joined August 2015
4378 Posts
August 23 2019 22:02 GMT
#1123
On August 24 2019 06:48 Chezinu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 24 2019 05:20 Jockmcplop wrote:
If hf is mafia and tried to use the no lynch to kill town i'm going to be absolutely furious.


Copcake, what do you think about HF?


He is not as cool as other games in scumhunting.

I think he wants the cop to out himself.

Chezinu
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States7468 Posts
August 23 2019 22:02 GMT
#1124
On August 24 2019 06:59 Holyflare wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 24 2019 06:58 Chezinu wrote:
On August 24 2019 06:54 Holyflare wrote:
On August 24 2019 05:46 Holyflare wrote:
On August 24 2019 05:44 Chezinu wrote:
On August 24 2019 05:01 reps)squishy wrote:
On August 24 2019 04:52 CopCake wrote:
On August 24 2019 04:47 Jockmcplop wrote:
On August 24 2019 04:46 CopCake wrote:
I am dumb, someone explain me that?



Yeah. It makes the game easier to solve by PoE because there are fewer players. Its optimal to have an odd number of players, right?


But having more people alive = harder for mafia to win.

There is no benefit for town to lynch blindy.


Mafia gets two kills that will be definitive town. That basically = two mislynches.

day lynch + night kill night kill + next night kill

If we mislynch then mafia gets a nk. That is the same thing.

day lynch + night kill


Or we correctly lynch! And mafia gets 1 kill.

back to only 1 night kill

I don't know why we would ever no lynch. Unless someone can explain it to me like I am five why no lynch is a good idea.



So you arbitrarily include night kill + next night kill and then decide his last statement means only 1 night kill if we lynch correctly? What happens to their next kill then? Vanishes.

Or... He just slipped big time.


On August 24 2019 06:33 Holyflare wrote:
On August 24 2019 06:30 Chezinu wrote:
Jock when through multiple scenarios to try and figure the mafia team. Pairing the remaining players and seeing if it makes sense. I had not read Jock's filter until this afternoon (Murica time). I read this after claiming he was not scumhunting. the truth is that he is in the UK, just like HF whom I had little interaction with.

HF is playing a game of logic. He is building cases. Is this fake case building? building on inconsistencies rather than trying to discern scum? Does he just tunnel? Or does he change his mind trying to find the truth? If he does change his mind, is it opportunistic? Jock keeps asking people if they are willing to lynch people. Is this to get another opinion or just to see opportunities? tricky, many of the same actions can go either way. Was HF happy to find inconsistencies to squishy because he thought he was mafia and was rejoicing? or was he excited that he found another towny mistake he could harp on? Was he just being rash?

Copcake. Is she really a reaction reader? If so, she could be hunting. Though she claims she is useless.

Rayn. He's been very quiet. I haven't interacted much with him. The fact that he reads and understands my posts says a lot. But he hasn't really pushed much this game. HF has been leading the way.

squishy. Mafia with mistakes or Towny with mistakes. Did he kill FF because he thought he was blue when really HF has the largest chance thus he claimed VT so he could live longer. Squishy defended me early game. Thinking I was town. When does anyone ever think they know the role of Chezinu? JK. There was people who understand me like Vivax. If squishy said I was mafia, I would go the other way and say I'm just an easy target. Squishy fell short of the Chezinu Rule though.



What does this say in the slightest? How does someone's alignment determine the way they read your posts? I feel like this entire post says absolutely nothing, that everybody could be mafia.


Are you ever going to answer these? Or are you just going to make posts that gauge thread reaction over and over again that say nothing.

Post showing Squishy logic but you were wrong.
Post asking who I'm mafia with.
Post discrediting my gameplay but ignoring where I asked you to provide evidence.
Big post that says nothing and that everyone could be mafia.
Posts that ask what people think of other people.
Posts showing NOT EVEN PROBABILITY of mafia, just numbers. If it were probability of random lynching it should be one less townie if you were town, so not even that is a correct calculation.
Post complaining I'm misunderstanding your posts.
Post saying jock is arbitrarily maybe town for making a filter list.


Now I'm actually reading your posts:

On August 24 2019 06:02 Chezinu wrote:
HF and rayn have been misreading my posts this game...



Rayn. He's been very quiet. I haven't interacted much with him. The fact that he reads and understands my posts says a lot. But he hasn't really pushed much this game. HF has been leading the way.


You can't even keep your story straight when you're making up reads on people. Does Rayn misunderstand you or does he understand you. Which is it, Chezinu?


LOL

hunting inconsistencies... at least you knew to avoid Copcake.


The whole premise of this game is to hunt inconsistencies and make people answer them. So, which is it? Is he misunderstanding you or does he understand you. What read do you have on rayn?


Both (he understood that the list was a troll, but he misunderstood what I was saying and that I was implying that you and rayn are mafia).

and I don't have a read on rayn
lol, clueless in The Prism!
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
August 23 2019 22:03 GMT
#1125
I wouldn't have believed a word of what he said if it wasn't coupled with Chezinu's abhorrent posts the past few pages. He's pulling a N1 rayn where he tries to discredit and avoids answering any culpable questions.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
August 23 2019 22:04 GMT
#1126
On August 24 2019 07:02 CopCake wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 24 2019 06:48 Chezinu wrote:
On August 24 2019 05:20 Jockmcplop wrote:
If hf is mafia and tried to use the no lynch to kill town i'm going to be absolutely furious.


Copcake, what do you think about HF?


He is not as cool as other games in scumhunting.

I think he wants the cop to out himself.



?????????

The cop should absolutely out themselves in mylo with 2kp the next night anyway.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
August 23 2019 22:05 GMT
#1127
And I know you're the cop copcake so I really just want your reads instead.
CopCake
Profile Joined August 2015
4378 Posts
August 23 2019 22:06 GMT
#1128
Sadly I am not the cop
Chezinu
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States7468 Posts
August 23 2019 22:07 GMT
#1129
On August 24 2019 07:06 Chezinu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 24 2019 05:36 Chezinu wrote:
##vote squishy


Show nested quote +
On August 24 2019 05:44 Chezinu wrote:
On August 24 2019 05:01 reps)squishy wrote:
On August 24 2019 04:52 CopCake wrote:
On August 24 2019 04:47 Jockmcplop wrote:
On August 24 2019 04:46 CopCake wrote:
I am dumb, someone explain me that?



Yeah. It makes the game easier to solve by PoE because there are fewer players. Its optimal to have an odd number of players, right?


But having more people alive = harder for mafia to win.

There is no benefit for town to lynch blindy.


Mafia gets two kills that will be definitive town. That basically = two mislynches.

day lynch + night kill night kill + next night kill

If we mislynch then mafia gets a nk. That is the same thing.

day lynch + night kill


Or we correctly lynch! And mafia gets 1 kill.

back to only 1 night kill

I don't know why we would ever no lynch. Unless someone can explain it to me like I am five why no lynch is a good idea.



Look at timestamp FYI Holyflare. If I was mafia, I would have known about the 2 kp for night 3. I would have been quiet and let the no lynch happen. You are right. I was trying to reaction read you all by causing chaos in the thread. I haven't interacted much with rayn, so I don't know what he is.
lol, clueless in The Prism!
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
August 23 2019 22:08 GMT
#1130
Well I don't believe you but you can hold on to your reads if you want. If you have two people checked that are alive and one of them is me I will never ever forgive you for not revealing them.
Chezinu
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States7468 Posts
August 23 2019 22:08 GMT
#1131
of course... what if the mafia themselves didn't know that there was 2 kp tonight?
lol, clueless in The Prism!
CopCake
Profile Joined August 2015
4378 Posts
August 23 2019 22:08 GMT
#1132
I was actually thinking it was squishy because the whole “I am lynching someone else”
Chezinu
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States7468 Posts
August 23 2019 22:08 GMT
#1133
Hey guys, I tots not the cop!
lol, clueless in The Prism!
CopCake
Profile Joined August 2015
4378 Posts
August 23 2019 22:09 GMT
#1134
On August 24 2019 07:08 Chezinu wrote:
of course... what if the mafia themselves didn't know that there was 2 kp tonight?


This is dumb the hosts should tell them.
Chezinu
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States7468 Posts
August 23 2019 22:10 GMT
#1135
On August 24 2019 07:09 CopCake wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 24 2019 07:08 Chezinu wrote:
of course... what if the mafia themselves didn't know that there was 2 kp tonight?


This is dumb the hosts should tell them.


Then I am totally town guys! LOL
lol, clueless in The Prism!
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
August 23 2019 22:10 GMT
#1136
oh god fml if squishy is the cop and checked ff and jock

seriously fml
Chezinu
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States7468 Posts
August 23 2019 22:11 GMT
#1137
I think a Rayn lynch would be a nice way to end this.
lol, clueless in The Prism!
CopCake
Profile Joined August 2015
4378 Posts
August 23 2019 22:11 GMT
#1138
On August 24 2019 07:08 Holyflare wrote:
Well I don't believe you but you can hold on to your reads if you want. If you have two people checked that are alive and one of them is me I will never ever forgive you for not revealing them.


I am not the cop

🤷🏽‍♀️

The first thing I would do would be to check on rayn and you see me today, doubting him.
Jockmcplop
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
United Kingdom9999 Posts
August 23 2019 22:14 GMT
#1139
On August 24 2019 07:02 Chezinu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 24 2019 06:59 Holyflare wrote:
On August 24 2019 06:58 Chezinu wrote:
On August 24 2019 06:54 Holyflare wrote:
On August 24 2019 05:46 Holyflare wrote:
On August 24 2019 05:44 Chezinu wrote:
On August 24 2019 05:01 reps)squishy wrote:
On August 24 2019 04:52 CopCake wrote:
On August 24 2019 04:47 Jockmcplop wrote:
On August 24 2019 04:46 CopCake wrote:
I am dumb, someone explain me that?



Yeah. It makes the game easier to solve by PoE because there are fewer players. Its optimal to have an odd number of players, right?


But having more people alive = harder for mafia to win.

There is no benefit for town to lynch blindy.


Mafia gets two kills that will be definitive town. That basically = two mislynches.

day lynch + night kill night kill + next night kill

If we mislynch then mafia gets a nk. That is the same thing.

day lynch + night kill


Or we correctly lynch! And mafia gets 1 kill.

back to only 1 night kill

I don't know why we would ever no lynch. Unless someone can explain it to me like I am five why no lynch is a good idea.



So you arbitrarily include night kill + next night kill and then decide his last statement means only 1 night kill if we lynch correctly? What happens to their next kill then? Vanishes.

Or... He just slipped big time.


On August 24 2019 06:33 Holyflare wrote:
On August 24 2019 06:30 Chezinu wrote:
Jock when through multiple scenarios to try and figure the mafia team. Pairing the remaining players and seeing if it makes sense. I had not read Jock's filter until this afternoon (Murica time). I read this after claiming he was not scumhunting. the truth is that he is in the UK, just like HF whom I had little interaction with.

HF is playing a game of logic. He is building cases. Is this fake case building? building on inconsistencies rather than trying to discern scum? Does he just tunnel? Or does he change his mind trying to find the truth? If he does change his mind, is it opportunistic? Jock keeps asking people if they are willing to lynch people. Is this to get another opinion or just to see opportunities? tricky, many of the same actions can go either way. Was HF happy to find inconsistencies to squishy because he thought he was mafia and was rejoicing? or was he excited that he found another towny mistake he could harp on? Was he just being rash?

Copcake. Is she really a reaction reader? If so, she could be hunting. Though she claims she is useless.

Rayn. He's been very quiet. I haven't interacted much with him. The fact that he reads and understands my posts says a lot. But he hasn't really pushed much this game. HF has been leading the way.

squishy. Mafia with mistakes or Towny with mistakes. Did he kill FF because he thought he was blue when really HF has the largest chance thus he claimed VT so he could live longer. Squishy defended me early game. Thinking I was town. When does anyone ever think they know the role of Chezinu? JK. There was people who understand me like Vivax. If squishy said I was mafia, I would go the other way and say I'm just an easy target. Squishy fell short of the Chezinu Rule though.



What does this say in the slightest? How does someone's alignment determine the way they read your posts? I feel like this entire post says absolutely nothing, that everybody could be mafia.


Are you ever going to answer these? Or are you just going to make posts that gauge thread reaction over and over again that say nothing.

Post showing Squishy logic but you were wrong.
Post asking who I'm mafia with.
Post discrediting my gameplay but ignoring where I asked you to provide evidence.
Big post that says nothing and that everyone could be mafia.
Posts that ask what people think of other people.
Posts showing NOT EVEN PROBABILITY of mafia, just numbers. If it were probability of random lynching it should be one less townie if you were town, so not even that is a correct calculation.
Post complaining I'm misunderstanding your posts.
Post saying jock is arbitrarily maybe town for making a filter list.


Now I'm actually reading your posts:

On August 24 2019 06:02 Chezinu wrote:
HF and rayn have been misreading my posts this game...



Rayn. He's been very quiet. I haven't interacted much with him. The fact that he reads and understands my posts says a lot. But he hasn't really pushed much this game. HF has been leading the way.


You can't even keep your story straight when you're making up reads on people. Does Rayn misunderstand you or does he understand you. Which is it, Chezinu?


LOL

hunting inconsistencies... at least you knew to avoid Copcake.


The whole premise of this game is to hunt inconsistencies and make people answer them. So, which is it? Is he misunderstanding you or does he understand you. What read do you have on rayn?


Both (he understood that the list was a troll, but he misunderstood what I was saying and that I was implying that you and rayn are mafia).

and I don't have a read on rayn

On August 24 2019 07:11 Chezinu wrote:
I think a Rayn lynch would be a nice way to end this.


Hey holyflare I found one of those inconsistencies you were hunting.
RIP Meatloaf <3
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
August 23 2019 22:14 GMT
#1140
Jock just end our misery with your cop checks T_T
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