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Mutaller
Profile Blog Joined July 2013
United States1051 Posts
August 22 2019 04:50 GMT
#881
On August 22 2019 13:46 Fecalfeast wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 22 2019 13:42 reps)squishy wrote:
On August 22 2019 13:37 Fecalfeast wrote:
Boring lynch


You know you can vote for Jock with me and show me if my theory about you and him is correct. Although if you are town and he is scum, that would be real bad.

I'm giving you some real squinty eyes right now

like I just did a bong rip but even squintier....


what?


It's like the gun thing you said earlier, but in reverse
"To practice isn't for you to get better now in the present. Practice will never betray you and will always come back for you in the future." -Jaedong
Alakaslam
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
United States17336 Posts
August 22 2019 05:00 GMT
#882
Ok, it is deadline, don’t post thx

If you think Elon Musk is a Nazi, it is because YOU radicalized him!
Alakaslam
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
United States17336 Posts
August 22 2019 05:04 GMT
#883
Day Two Vote Count

Eywa (5): raynpelikoneet, Holyflare, Fecalfest, Chezinu, Copcake, jockmcplop, Chezinu
raynpelikoneet (1): Eywa
FecalFeast (1): reps)squishy
reps)squishy (1): FecalFeast, jockmcplop , jockmcplop, Chezinu
Holyflare (0): Chezinu
jockmcplop (0): FecalFeast

Not Voting (0): None

Eywa is currently set to be lynched.

Please let us know if you notice any mistakes! The deadline is 05:00 GMT (+00:00) Which is in

I dunno guys, what with all those shenanigans I think Eywa- was lynched??!?

If you think Elon Musk is a Nazi, it is because YOU radicalized him!
Alakaslam
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
United States17336 Posts
August 22 2019 05:10 GMT
#884
NIGHT T W O




What? This is supposed to be Vaporwave brah. What is with these classic VGM’s?!?

Well

Whatever. Eywa- was vanilla town. So...
If you think Elon Musk is a Nazi, it is because YOU radicalized him!
Fecalfeast
Profile Joined January 2010
Canada11355 Posts
August 22 2019 05:14 GMT
#885
ok
ModeratorINFLATE YOUR POST COUNT; PLAY TL MAFIA
Mutaller
Profile Blog Joined July 2013
United States1051 Posts
August 22 2019 05:25 GMT
#886
On August 22 2019 14:10 Alakaslam wrote:
NIGHT T W O


https://youtu.be/pogkiSPJPX4

What? This is supposed to be Vaporwave brah. What is with these classic VGM’s?!?

Well

Whatever. Eywa- was vanilla town. So...


Status quo lynches are killing us. Chez next? You can choose me, but I can promise it'll be a mistake
"To practice isn't for you to get better now in the present. Practice will never betray you and will always come back for you in the future." -Jaedong
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
August 22 2019 07:52 GMT
#887
Not even mad.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
August 22 2019 07:57 GMT
#888
On August 22 2019 05:51 raynpelikoneet wrote:
But he (Chezinu) has played like 20 games with Holyflare (and Cake has not). He should know his style better than Cake (who he is talking to). The discussion doesn't go anywhere after that because Cake says (and has already said before) that she considers HF town. What's the point of asking those questions when you should already have the answers?

Also what's the point of making a list where you (Chezinu) divide the playerbase in half? Like why can't for example Jock and HF be mafia together? Or Eywa and Jock? Or me and you? Like what evidence does Chezinu have that makes those teams not likely?

Why is Chezinu even voting for Eywa and at the same time asking questions about me and HF (basically implying we are mafia)? We are the people who originally fueled the cases on Eywa, if he agrees with the cases why is he same time basically implying we are mafia?

I am asking you these questions because i want to know where you are coming from, specifically because when you answered to Chezinu (the post i originally quoted) you said you HAD chezinu null BEFORE, and then you "compliment" him on making posts, so basically i cannot make any other conclusion than that you don't anymore read him null but town, i don't see how your wording otherwise makes sense.

You never followed up on this squishy.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
August 22 2019 08:58 GMT
#889
wtf jock?
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Jockmcplop
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
United Kingdom9639 Posts
August 22 2019 09:15 GMT
#890
On August 22 2019 17:58 raynpelikoneet wrote:
wtf jock?


Hi.
RIP Meatloaf <3
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
August 22 2019 09:16 GMT
#891
I think you look like mafia for that vote change.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
August 22 2019 09:25 GMT
#892
You write stuff like "dont lynch eywa just because there is a shiny case on him with pictures" and shit. did you even read the case? WHY would you lynch a person IF NOT because there is a CASE on them?????????????

Also seriously, you of all the people should understand my case and respect it. Like this is literally what eywa did with both you and me:

During night 1: "I think jock is mafia (because of his D1 play)".
"why is jock mafia"
"Jock is mafia because of something he did during D2"

Like why would a townie EVER EVER EVER post something like that??? You should never assume that kind of thought process comes from a townie in case you are town, because it never should come from town. If you're making a case or telling why someone is mafia you don't only post half of the reasons why you think they are mafia, you post all the reasons why you think they are mafia, unless ofc you are mafia and have just decided on who to call mafia and THEN start finding out those reasons and just fuck up because you can't make up anything from before.

Like, especially for you, your defense on Eywa makes no fucking sense at all.
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Jockmcplop
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
United Kingdom9639 Posts
August 22 2019 09:30 GMT
#893
On August 22 2019 18:16 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I think you look like mafia for that vote change.


You'd rather I just put my vote on the easiest lynch and leave it there like everyone else regardless of what eywa was saying in the thread?
I explained myself so if the vote itself looks mafia to you there's literally nothing I can do about that now.
RIP Meatloaf <3
Jockmcplop
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
United Kingdom9639 Posts
August 22 2019 09:33 GMT
#894
On August 22 2019 18:25 raynpelikoneet wrote:
You write stuff like "dont lynch eywa just because there is a shiny case on him with pictures" and shit. did you even read the case? WHY would you lynch a person IF NOT because there is a CASE on them?????????????

Also seriously, you of all the people should understand my case and respect it. Like this is literally what eywa did with both you and me:

During night 1: "I think jock is mafia (because of his D1 play)".
"why is jock mafia"
"Jock is mafia because of something he did during D2"

Like why would a townie EVER EVER EVER post something like that??? You should never assume that kind of thought process comes from a townie in case you are town, because it never should come from town. If you're making a case or telling why someone is mafia you don't only post half of the reasons why you think they are mafia, you post all the reasons why you think they are mafia, unless ofc you are mafia and have just decided on who to call mafia and THEN start finding out those reasons and just fuck up because you can't make up anything from before.

Like, especially for you, your defense on Eywa makes no fucking sense at all.


My defense of eywa wasn't based on your case not being good, or even a real defense of eywa at all, I said there were little things in his favour compared to squishy.
I honestly still thought eywa would probably flip red but squishy is my lynch target because he is scum 100% and although it was interesting to see everyone jump on the eywa wagon with zero resistance I wanted to see if people would also do that with squishy if I gave them the choice to.

I was trying to lynch scum
I was also trying to gain information by seeing who was willing to put their votes on different people, but it didn't really work because everyone just left their vote with eywa.


RIP Meatloaf <3
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
August 22 2019 09:40 GMT
#895
On August 22 2019 18:30 Jockmcplop wrote:
You'd rather I just put my vote on the easiest lynch and leave it there like everyone else regardless of what eywa was saying in the thread?

Eywa did say absolutely nothing of value in the thread. Even his defense on the case was nothing but "no, but you are mafia". All he did was talk outside the cases and kept calling people mafia without any reasoning. Perhaps you should sometimes read WHAT people actually write.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
August 22 2019 09:46 GMT
#896
On August 22 2019 08:04 Eywa- wrote:
Ok,

So I guess it's time that I address the elephant in the room... Raynpelikoneet, how are you?

Show nested quote +
On August 21 2019 06:02 raynpelikoneet wrote:
So yeah i actually am not just pissed off but have reasoning on why Eywa is mafia. Let's start with these quotes from past two games. Last game, after the game (so there is no reason to lie about anything) Eywa said this:
On August 09 2019 01:24 Eywa- wrote:
I actually think Rayn reads the game pretty well, but his play style is pretty hard for me to work with, I find it very anti-town at times when it involves getting into arguments.

I think killing him before getting his reads developed is a net loss for town though. I think he's almost always a good day 2 kill for reasons stated above though.

Now i don't know what the last sentence says, i guess it is trying to say kill me N2 as mafia (as Eywa was mafia), otherwise the whole paragraph doesn't even make any sense.

This is from the game before, Eywa was town in that game so once again there is no reason for him to lie about what he says here. The bolded parts are important (read the whole chain of quotes):
On July 10 2019 03:00 Eywa- wrote:
On July 10 2019 02:58 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On July 10 2019 02:56 Eywa- wrote:
On July 10 2019 02:48 raynpelikoneet wrote:
idk we can continue with mafia theory after the game.

I agree Trfel has been making bad posts. I think Jock's posts have more mafia motivation behind them though. Maybe it's a difference on how we see the game, maybe you are right maybe i am. I think i am. May i ask you though why did you scumread me last game since you were clearly wrong and i literally made one case that was good and on mafia?

I scum read you every game, it's pretty much my default since I haven't figured out how to get a read on you... I find it very difficult to come to mutual ground with you on pretty much everything.

We townread each other in the stupid multi-faction game. Although that should not really be used as an example because i didn't really care shit about town in that game when i figured out i can make a deal with mafia and win N1. I don't think you have seen me playing as scum though?

No, I haven't. But, yeah... Moral of the story I don't know how to read you yet.




Now to this game, here are Eywa's first two posts:
On August 19 2019 23:18 Eywa- wrote:
Alright, well I read up (mostly) and I have a very obvious conclusion... Eywa is town.


I have a few other thoughts... I'm town on copcake and FeFe at the moment too... Maybe vivax as well, but undecided as of yet.

I have some scum reads, but I need to filter a bit more to confirm.

On August 19 2019 23:19 Eywa- wrote:
On August 19 2019 21:43 Vivax wrote:
But rayn is still mafia, unless he is town on sedatives.

I actually agree with this 100%.

First thing to note here is that in the first post Eywa doesn't post scumreads but instead says he needs to read filters to confirm. Second post says he 100% agrees with Vivax that i am mafia (i don't accept answer "or on sedatives" because after that he starts gunning on me but more on that later). The problem here is that either Eywa read my filter in one minute since that's the difference in times between those posts or that read is bs because if he already had a scumread on me i can't see any reason why the scumread on me isn't in the first post, who cares about town reads when you have a clear scumread? Another thing here (especially regarding the quotes from past games) is that (1) based on how he views my play regarding past games he should NOT have a scumread on me (especially based on the reasoning later on) and (2) in this game, based on what he has posted in his first post and later on we actually agree with pretty much on everything!!!! I also have FF and Cake as town, I also have Vivax town (those are his town reads), i also at least had HF as mafia at this point (which is Eywa's next scumread), so why am i scum again?? Because Eywa -- as per his words -- "tends to scumread me in every game because he finds it very difficult to come to mutual ground with you on pretty much everything"?

Then let's go onto his reasoning of why i am mafia:
On August 20 2019 07:50 Eywa- wrote:
Rayn condemning my playstyle here while acknowledging a good performance in my last town game before this one is really suspect.

I hate his playstyle except for the last game where he actually provided very good reasoning on my mafia partner and also on other people, something that is definitely not happening here. There is nothing scummy in calling his play here on this game bad because it is bad for a townie.
On August 20 2019 07:52 Eywa- wrote:
Also, that much AtE is really bad from town!Rayn and he should know better.

I don't care if it's bad or not but almost every game i get pissed at something and thats what happens. That's not an AtE post even, that's a fuck you post. There is nothing scummy in that.
On August 20 2019 07:53 Eywa- wrote:
So... All signs point to scum!rayn

And that's his scumread. See here is another thing that is funny. None of the things he called me mafia for happened before he called me mafia.

Here is his scumread on Holyflare:
HF shooting through PoE right now seems to go against his typical playstyle.

I don't even know what this means or how this makes HF or anyone mafia in any situation without further explanation, which obviously never comes. Another funny fact just for shits and giggles:
On August 20 2019 08:30 Eywa- wrote:
On August 20 2019 08:21 Holyflare wrote:
On August 20 2019 07:05 CopCake wrote:
On August 20 2019 05:38 Holyflare wrote:
On August 20 2019 05:37 CopCake wrote:
On August 20 2019 05:29 Holyflare wrote:
On August 20 2019 05:10 CopCake wrote:
I don't know what you mean with “leg work” but Rayn explained to Vivax why I am town in his mindset and told me that Vivax is town directly to me.



Leg work means he put in real effort to determine his scum read on people. He is saying that my read on him is bull shit because he put in so much effort that I should read him as an alignment because he spent so much time figuring out both Vivax and yourself.

Do those posts look like he put in that effort? It just says Vivax doesn't play as mafia and Copcake is town and nothing more. Does that look like so much effort that we should town read him for it like he says?


He put A LOT of effort in the me vs FF trying to explaun why I am town.

Like literally a lot.


I don't think less than a handful of posts is a lot of effort but that's just me. I also see a way you could be mafia from the situation he says you must be town in so that's why I don't particularly read rayn one way or another.



Mistake, read the bolded part as if you were changing your opinion.

And now let me ask: who would you lynch rn? From your list.



Eywa.

Omgus

Na-ah bro, by your (wrong) definition of omgus you're the one omgusing because HF called you mafia first so this omgus thing makes you mafia now right?


Here is his scumread on Jock:
On August 20 2019 08:32 Eywa- wrote:
I wouldn't be surprised if mafia were 2 of HF, Rayn and Jockmcplop.

The first two being prioritized there.

On August 21 2019 03:34 Eywa- wrote:
On August 21 2019 00:37 Jockmcplop wrote:
FF, Chez, Eywa and squishy are those I would lynch
Preferably squishy because he's mafia.

I'm not liking this from Jockmcplop, after day 1 pocket attempt. I think this is an attempt to quickly adapt to the lines that were drawn by other players (mainly me going against Rayn).

Pocketing move:
On August 19 2019 01:18 Jockmcplop wrote:
The problem with that list for me is that they are all afk and at least Eywa-, rayn and FF are going to be very useful later on if they are town.


I don't really see the value in town!jock throwing this out if he's just going to default scum reads to these players when they start being active day 2...

I mean, Rayn stayed inactive and he's not scum reading Rayn, so it seems to go against what he's trying to accomplish here with his "townie move".

So i don't really care what Eywa is actually trying to say Jock's scum motive is because i don't really understand the post in total but here's what i understand. The first post Eywa quoted from Jock is the post that triggers the scumread, without the first quoted post the second one (Jock made D1) isn't scummy because Eywa says "if he's just going to default [to something later on]". Sooo...

Sooo... The problem here once again is that Eywa scumreads Jock before Jock has made the post he scumreads Jock for.



TLDR;

- Once again this picture fits. 2 out of 3 of Eywa's scumreads are based on stuff that happens AFTER they are his scumreads. Basically he is picking a target and then starts "finding reasons for why they are mafia". And that is a fucking mafia thing to do.
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- Reasoning on me doesn't even make sense based on what he has said before and what has happened in this game reads wise, neither does one on Holyflare. Not gonna defend Jock for Jock because i don't really care to figure out why some weird pocketing theory and other shit would be the most possible answer.

So that's pretty much my 2c for today, i see again a lot of arguing between my townreads and last day phse i tried to engage and get the people who i think are town together but apparently that's same as doing nothing so you guys do whatever you do and i can go actually do nothing (or something else at least).

##vote Eywa-

Good night.

First off the quote:

I actually think Rayn reads the game pretty well, but his play style is pretty hard for me to work with, I find it very anti-town at times when it involves getting into arguments.

I think killing him before getting his reads developed is a net loss for town though. I think he's almost always a good day 2 kill for reasons stated above though

So...

1... He hasn't been so abrasive this game and has tried to make it easy for people to work with him. He has shown less willingness to go head to head in a situation where he might get lynched in order to make a point.

2... YES... That is exactly what I'm doing.


Let's move on, because there's a lot of elephant shit to get through here.

Rayn quotes:
No, I haven't. But, yeah... Moral of the story I don't know how to read you yet.

That was 2 games ago... Just after my first game as town!eywa vs scum!rayn... OF COURSE I WASN'T SURE HOW TO READ HIM BEFORE ANALYSIS.

Also... Mandatory "you once said you couldn't read me, so your read this game is invalid"



Now to this game... I might not make it through guys, so much shit.

Yes... I skimmed before posting in the thread and I already had some opinions formed, I was going to post something similar, but I was going back to check. Vivax posting just provided me the confirmation I was going back for anyway.

Yes... I got my town reads on those players from Rayn because I judged that he probably wouldn't have called out his scum partner so soon, that could be a misread from me, but it's just how I saw the situation.

So... Rayn, you're saying you're actually scum reading HF. I'm sorry, where is this being pushed in the thread? You think HF is just blatantly bussing me?

Now we're going through a bunch of reasons why Rayn isn't mafia.

Wait... I've completely missed where Eywa is mafia, yet I'm at the bottom of the case, ready for the TL;DR.

I guess it's some strong OMGUS and no one actually read Rayn's post, because they never read a thing the guy says.

Tell me, where in here does Eywa reasonably anwser the points:
- Eywa called rayn mafia N1 but all of his reasoning later on happened AFTER he called rayn mafia
- Eywa called Jock mafia N1 but all of his reasoning later on happened AFTER he called Jock mafia
- Eywa called my post an AtE towards HF but then me and HF are both mafia (which he backed off later on just to go back to that) when there is no reason for me to get mad at HF in the first place in case we are both mafia (that was from HF's case)

Do you think this is the answer:
On August 22 2019 08:06 Eywa- wrote:
Rayn's case against me is entirely based on when I read the thread. Yet, he doesn't have that information... So how does that make sense? His case why I shouldn't be scum reading him also applies for reasons he shouldn't be scum reading me... (though I disagree with them in both directions)

That's a fucking bullshit answer because THATS NOT EVEN WHAT MY CASE IS ABOUT!!!!!!!! I never ever said anything about WHEN Eywa is reading the thread. Apparently this dude genuinely cant even process what he reads, but that's not something YOU should base your conclusion on before his flip.
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Jockmcplop
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
United Kingdom9639 Posts
August 22 2019 09:47 GMT
#897
MY CONCLUSIONS WERE NOTHING TO DO WITH YOUR CASE RAYN
RIP Meatloaf <3
Jockmcplop
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
United Kingdom9639 Posts
August 22 2019 09:48 GMT
#898
It was about the way eywa reacted to being a certain lynch. It was how his focus was on the next day and what happens when he is dead. Sure, that's fakeable as mafia which is why i wasn't townreading him, but it definitely looked better than squishy WHO CAN I REMIND YOU STILL HASN'T DONE ANYTHING PRO-TOWN IN THE WHOLE GAME and is just trying to survive.
RIP Meatloaf <3
Jockmcplop
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
United Kingdom9639 Posts
August 22 2019 09:50 GMT
#899
On August 22 2019 06:55 Jockmcplop wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 22 2019 06:46 CopCake wrote:
You dont change votes just like if it was underwear.

The case was done, makes sense, look at the reactions of Ewya.

Why do you want to change it?


Every time squishy posts it screams mafia at me and I gave him another chance but its just more scummy bullshit from him. Its really obvious.

I'm putting my vote right now where I think I have the best chance to hit scum.

You're honestly telling me eywa's reactions are more mafia than squishy's?
If eywa's mafia he at least knows how to fake being town sometimes.

Squishy's entire game plan here is mafia. He completely changed his read on you cake from mafia to town because you came and defended his post history which was mentioning you roughly once in a 2 page filter before you suddenly becoming one of his biggest scumreads when he wanted to make a list post.

Then two people vote for him and WOW he has a reason to townread you now and coincidentally the people he most thinks are scum are the people who voted for him. Not that he gives a shit at all whether anyone else thinks they're scum because he's just trying to survive.

How does anything that squishy has done so far help town?



RIP Meatloaf <3
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
August 22 2019 09:55 GMT
#900
On August 22 2019 18:48 Jockmcplop wrote:
It was about the way eywa reacted to being a certain lynch. It was how his focus was on the next day and what happens when he is dead. Sure, that's fakeable as mafia which is why i wasn't townreading him, but it definitely looked better than squishy WHO CAN I REMIND YOU STILL HASN'T DONE ANYTHING PRO-TOWN IN THE WHOLE GAME and is just trying to survive.

I dont care what squishy did. I care about the fact you wanted to derail the lynch that is going to happen either way, aka possibly either (1) picking up another target for the next day, or (2) bussing onto a "lynch" that isn't going to happen to look good later on.

Again, there was nothing townie EVER in what Eywa did, all he did was argue that the three targets (or amongst them) he had already picked in advance are mafia. He didn't try to figure out anything, he already chose his path during N1 and there is NO OTHER approach he would EVER take as mafia because the approach he took gives the least information to the town when he is lynched. And that is a fact.
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