On August 21 2019 06:02 raynpelikoneet wrote:So yeah i actually am not just pissed off but have reasoning on why Eywa is mafia. Let's start with these quotes from past two games. Last game, after the game (so there is no reason to lie about anything) Eywa said this:
On August 09 2019 01:24 Eywa- wrote:
I actually think Rayn reads the game pretty well, but his play style is pretty hard for me to work with, I find it very anti-town at times when it involves getting into arguments.
I think killing him before getting his reads developed is a net loss for town though. I think he's almost always a good day 2 kill for reasons stated above though.
Now i don't know what the last sentence says, i guess it is trying to say kill me N2 as mafia (as Eywa was mafia), otherwise the whole paragraph doesn't even make any sense.
This is from the game before, Eywa was town in that game so once again there is no reason for him to lie about what he says here. The bolded parts are important (read the whole chain of quotes):
On July 10 2019 03:00 Eywa- wrote:On July 10 2019 02:58 raynpelikoneet wrote:On July 10 2019 02:56 Eywa- wrote:On July 10 2019 02:48 raynpelikoneet wrote:
idk we can continue with mafia theory after the game.
I agree Trfel has been making bad posts. I think Jock's posts have more mafia motivation behind them though. Maybe it's a difference on how we see the game, maybe you are right maybe i am. I think i am. May i ask you though why did you scumread me last game since you were clearly wrong and i literally made one case that was good and on mafia?
I scum read you every game, it's pretty much my default since I haven't figured out how to get a read on you...
I find it very difficult to come to mutual ground with you on pretty much everything. We townread each other in the stupid multi-faction game. Although that should not really be used as an example because i didn't really care shit about town in that game when i figured out i can make a deal with mafia and win N1. I don't think you have seen me playing as scum though?
No, I haven't. But, yeah...
Moral of the story I don't know how to read you yet.
Now to this game, here are Eywa's first two posts:
On August 19 2019 23:18 Eywa- wrote:
Alright, well I read up (mostly) and I have a very obvious conclusion... Eywa is town.
I have a few other thoughts... I'm town on copcake and FeFe at the moment too... Maybe vivax as well, but undecided as of yet.
I have some scum reads, but I need to filter a bit more to confirm.
On August 19 2019 23:19 Eywa- wrote:On August 19 2019 21:43 Vivax wrote:
But rayn is still mafia, unless he is town on sedatives.
I actually agree with this 100%.
First thing to note here is that in the first post Eywa doesn't post scumreads but instead says he needs to read filters to confirm. Second post says he
100% agrees with Vivax that i am mafia (i don't accept answer "or on sedatives" because after that he starts gunning on me but more on that later). The problem here is that either Eywa read my filter in one minute since that's the difference in times between those posts or that read is bs because if he already had a scumread on me i can't see any reason why the scumread on me isn't in the first post, who cares about town reads when you have a clear scumread? Another thing here (especially regarding the quotes from past games) is that (1) based on how he views my play regarding past games he should NOT have a scumread on me (especially based on the reasoning later on) and (2) in this game, based on what he has posted in his first post and later on we actually agree with pretty much on everything!!!! I also have FF and Cake as town, I also have Vivax town (those are his town reads), i also at least had HF as mafia at this point (which is Eywa's next scumread), so why am i scum again?? Because Eywa -- as per his words -- "tends to scumread me in every game because he finds it very difficult to come to mutual ground with you on pretty much everything"?
Then let's go onto his reasoning of why i am mafia:
On August 20 2019 07:50 Eywa- wrote:
Rayn condemning my playstyle here while acknowledging a good performance in my last town game before this one is really suspect.
I hate his playstyle except for the last game where he actually provided very good reasoning on my mafia partner and also on other people, something that is definitely not happening here. There is nothing scummy in calling his play here on this game bad because it is bad for a townie.
On August 20 2019 07:52 Eywa- wrote:
Also, that much AtE is really bad from town!Rayn and he should know better.
I don't care if it's bad or not but almost every game i get pissed at something and thats what happens. That's not an AtE post even, that's a fuck you post. There is nothing scummy in that.
On August 20 2019 07:53 Eywa- wrote:
So... All signs point to scum!rayn
And that's his scumread. See here is another thing that is funny.
None of the things he called me mafia for happened before he called me mafia. Here is his scumread on Holyflare:
HF shooting through PoE right now seems to go against his typical playstyle.
I don't even know what this means or how this makes HF or anyone mafia in any situation without further explanation, which obviously never comes. Another funny fact just for shits and giggles:
On August 20 2019 08:30 Eywa- wrote:On August 20 2019 08:21 Holyflare wrote:On August 20 2019 07:05 CopCake wrote:On August 20 2019 05:38 Holyflare wrote:On August 20 2019 05:37 CopCake wrote:On August 20 2019 05:29 Holyflare wrote:On August 20 2019 05:10 CopCake wrote:
I don't know what you mean with “leg work” but Rayn explained to Vivax why I am town in his mindset and told me that Vivax is town directly to me.
Leg work means he put in real effort to determine his scum read on people. He is saying that my read on him is bull shit because he put in so much effort that I should read him as an alignment because he spent so much time figuring out both Vivax and yourself.
Do those posts look like he put in that effort? It just says Vivax doesn't play as mafia and Copcake is town and nothing more. Does that look like so much effort that we should town read him for it like he says?
He put A LOT of effort in the me vs FF trying to explaun why I am town.
Like literally a lot.
I don't think less than a handful of posts is a lot of effort but that's just me.
I also see a way you could be mafia from the situation he says you must be town in so that's why I don't particularly read rayn one way or another.
Mistake, read the bolded part as if you were changing your opinion.
And now let me ask: who would you lynch rn? From your list.
Eywa.
Omgus
Na-ah bro, by your (wrong) definition of omgus you're the one omgusing because HF called you mafia first so this omgus thing makes you mafia now right?
Here is his scumread on Jock:
On August 20 2019 08:32 Eywa- wrote:
I wouldn't be surprised if mafia were 2 of HF, Rayn and Jockmcplop.
The first two being prioritized there.
On August 21 2019 03:34 Eywa- wrote:On August 21 2019 00:37 Jockmcplop wrote:
FF, Chez, Eywa and squishy are those I would lynch
Preferably squishy because he's mafia.
I'm not liking this from Jockmcplop, after day 1 pocket attempt. I think this is an attempt to quickly adapt to the lines that were drawn by other players (mainly me going against Rayn).
Pocketing move:
On August 19 2019 01:18 Jockmcplop wrote:
The problem with that list for me is that they are all afk and at least Eywa-, rayn and FF are going to be very useful later on if they are town.
I don't really see the value in town!jock throwing this out if he's just going to default scum reads to these players when they start being active day 2...
I mean, Rayn stayed inactive and he's not scum reading Rayn, so it seems to go against what he's trying to accomplish here with his "townie move".
So i don't really care what Eywa is actually trying to say Jock's scum motive is because i don't really understand the post in total but here's what i understand. The first post Eywa quoted from Jock is the post that triggers the scumread, without the first quoted post the second one (Jock made D1) isn't scummy because Eywa says "if he's just going to default [to something later on]". Sooo...
Sooo... The problem here once again is that Eywa scumreads Jock before Jock has made the post he scumreads Jock for.
TLDR;- Once again this picture fits. 2 out of 3 of Eywa's scumreads are based on stuff that happens AFTER they are his scumreads. Basically he is picking a target and then starts "finding reasons for why they are mafia". And that is a fucking mafia thing to do.
- Reasoning on me doesn't even make sense based on what he has said before and what has happened in this game reads wise, neither does one on Holyflare. Not gonna defend Jock for Jock because i don't really care to figure out why some weird pocketing theory and other shit would be the most possible answer.
So that's pretty much my 2c for today, i see again a lot of arguing between my townreads and last day phse i tried to engage and get the people who i think are town together but apparently that's same as doing nothing so you guys do whatever you do and i can go actually do nothing (or something else at least).
##vote Eywa-Good night.