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On June 27 2019 18:52 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On June 27 2019 18:37 Pandain wrote:
ok sure but im angry so i dont think rational.
also to be frank no one on the slam lynch can take credit for it because it was deliberately a "i have no idea what to do so lynch someone afk" This isn't true. I went for the most amiable lynch in a pool of people that were scum reads. Narrowing down town reads and lynching into a pool isn't just rng and hope, it increases the odds of hitting mafia by a lot. Everyone was looking at least a bit townie.
On July 04 2019 01:37 Holyflare wrote:
I think Pandain and eywa are town for what it's worth. I wouldn't clear rayn because his logic doesn't really hold up but I don't want to get in a shit fight about it so I'll ignore it and see how it goes. I got the feeling jock was overzealous townie that thought he had something on me and that looked good but he's pushed it a smidge too far for my liking so I'm downgrading him.
Conversion/grack/es/rayn/trfl/jock
It's a big list but I really haven't given a shit about the game until now so I'll narrow it down when I'm home.
In fact the last two FF games that you were in both times I say the exact same or similar things. Rayn is also a really out of left field read for you to make and I'm at least 50% sure you're trying to make me argue with him more by fueling a scum read on him.
I think I'd probably vote you tomorrow over all the afkers even.
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On August 20 2019 07:05 CopCake wrote:Show nested quote +On August 20 2019 05:38 Holyflare wrote:On August 20 2019 05:37 CopCake wrote:On August 20 2019 05:29 Holyflare wrote:On August 20 2019 05:10 CopCake wrote:
I don't know what you mean with “leg work” but Rayn explained to Vivax why I am town in his mindset and told me that Vivax is town directly to me. Leg work means he put in real effort to determine his scum read on people. He is saying that my read on him is bull shit because he put in so much effort that I should read him as an alignment because he spent so much time figuring out both Vivax and yourself. Do those posts look like he put in that effort? It just says Vivax doesn't play as mafia and Copcake is town and nothing more. Does that look like so much effort that we should town read him for it like he says? He put A LOT of effort in the me vs FF trying to explaun why I am town. Like literally a lot. I don't think less than a handful of posts is a lot of effort but that's just me. I also see a way you could be mafia from the situation he says you must be town in so that's why I don't particularly read rayn one way or another. Mistake, read the bolded part as if you were changing your opinion. And now let me ask: who would you lynch rn? From your list.
Eywa.
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On August 21 2019 03:44 Eywa- wrote:Show nested quote +On August 21 2019 03:42 CopCake wrote:On August 21 2019 03:35 Eywa- wrote:
I definitely see the value in scum!jock pocketing these players though. You are not exactly a town read of mine but let’s play a game. In a world in which jock is mafia, who are his mates? Rayn or HF. HF making the most sense.
On August 21 2019 04:00 Eywa- wrote:Show nested quote +On August 21 2019 03:45 Fecalfeast wrote:
I'm officially not giving copcake credit for the dumbtell This is fair, but I think there are too many things going against scum!copcake I think Rayn calling him town, the dumbtell along with a few other posts make copcake more likely to flip town than scum.
On August 21 2019 00:25 Eywa- wrote:
vote: Rayn
Can't even keep a story straight. Glad to be on your team Rayn.
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On August 20 2019 07:50 Eywa- wrote:
I could see both HF and Rayn being mafia.
Rayn condemning my playstyle here while acknowledging a good performance in my last town game before this one is really suspect.
HF shooting through PoE right now seems to go against his typical playstyle.
It begins here by the way, the reason for me scum reading Eywa. Even if Rayn said Eywa had a good performance in the last game, before this post there were only 3(!) posts before this from Eywa total. Thus, it's quite clearly a night and day difference from any game Eywa and Rayn had been in together to criticise this Rayn read.
Furthermore, the read one me is such bs because as I pointed out here:
On August 20 2019 08:20 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On June 27 2019 18:52 Holyflare wrote:On June 27 2019 18:37 Pandain wrote:
ok sure but im angry so i dont think rational.
also to be frank no one on the slam lynch can take credit for it because it was deliberately a "i have no idea what to do so lynch someone afk" This isn't true. I went for the most amiable lynch in a pool of people that were scum reads. Narrowing down town reads and lynching into a pool isn't just rng and hope, it increases the odds of hitting mafia by a lot. Everyone was looking at least a bit townie. Show nested quote +On July 04 2019 01:37 Holyflare wrote:
I think Pandain and eywa are town for what it's worth. I wouldn't clear rayn because his logic doesn't really hold up but I don't want to get in a shit fight about it so I'll ignore it and see how it goes. I got the feeling jock was overzealous townie that thought he had something on me and that looked good but he's pushed it a smidge too far for my liking so I'm downgrading him.
Conversion/grack/es/rayn/trfl/jock
It's a big list but I really haven't given a shit about the game until now so I'll narrow it down when I'm home. In fact the last two FF games that you were in both times I say the exact same or similar things. Rayn is also a really out of left field read for you to make and I'm at least 50% sure you're trying to make me argue with him more by fueling a scum read on him. I think I'd probably vote you tomorrow over all the afkers even.
The last two FF games BOTH contained myself and Eywa in and as you can see in the quotes, I went through the exact same strategy of PoEing down town reads and then lynching between the rest to find mafia. Quite literally in the last game where we lynched the cop Chezinu it was because I narrowed suspects down to a lynch pool of mafia and Chezinu was in it and the most agreeable for everyone to lynch. Almost IDENTICAL to this game where we lynched an afk cop that was most agreeable to be lynched. I can't quite see a difference at all.
But we're the two biggest suspects Eywa has. Does that make sense? No, it doesn't one bit.
Then there's:
On August 20 2019 07:52 Eywa- wrote:
Also, that much AtE is really bad from town!Rayn and he should know better.
On August 20 2019 07:53 Eywa- wrote:
So... All signs point to scum!rayn
On August 20 2019 08:28 Eywa- wrote:Show nested quote +On August 20 2019 08:17 Holyflare wrote:On August 20 2019 07:50 Eywa- wrote:
I could see both HF and Rayn being mafia.
Rayn condemning my playstyle here while acknowledging a good performance in my last town game before this one is really suspect.
HF shooting through PoE right now seems to go against his typical playstyle. I'm pretty sure I do the same thing every single game I've ever played. Pretty sure, but hard to tell when you're mafia?
On August 20 2019 08:30 Eywa- wrote:Show nested quote +On August 20 2019 08:21 Holyflare wrote:On August 20 2019 07:05 CopCake wrote:On August 20 2019 05:38 Holyflare wrote:On August 20 2019 05:37 CopCake wrote:On August 20 2019 05:29 Holyflare wrote:On August 20 2019 05:10 CopCake wrote:
I don't know what you mean with “leg work” but Rayn explained to Vivax why I am town in his mindset and told me that Vivax is town directly to me. Leg work means he put in real effort to determine his scum read on people. He is saying that my read on him is bull shit because he put in so much effort that I should read him as an alignment because he spent so much time figuring out both Vivax and yourself. Do those posts look like he put in that effort? It just says Vivax doesn't play as mafia and Copcake is town and nothing more. Does that look like so much effort that we should town read him for it like he says? He put A LOT of effort in the me vs FF trying to explaun why I am town. Like literally a lot. I don't think less than a handful of posts is a lot of effort but that's just me. I also see a way you could be mafia from the situation he says you must be town in so that's why I don't particularly read rayn one way or another. Mistake, read the bolded part as if you were changing your opinion. And now let me ask: who would you lynch rn? From your list. Eywa. Omgus
The AtE from rayn is clearly from a place of emotional outburst that, if mafia, only comes to APPEASE someone by literally appealing to their emotions. That's the point of it. The person that he was talking to the most around that time and interacting with was me. Thus, unless it is a ridiculous wall of text to throw off a mafia buddy WHO WASN'T EVEN SCUM READING HIM (because the language barrier I think made Rayn think I was?) Eywa's read of this AtE post and having both myself and Rayn as mafia together makes absolutely 0 sense whatsoever. Either one of us is mafia or neither of us are mafia.
Further down the quotes he was provided evidence that I do the PoE thing as town (why need evidence when you've been in all those games?) but we're still both of his scum reads as well as Jock.
Nothing adds up. I haven't read his Jock reasons but I'm sure they're equally as flimsy.
Vote Eywa.
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On August 21 2019 07:21 Fecalfeast wrote:Show nested quote +On August 21 2019 07:14 Holyflare wrote:On August 21 2019 03:44 Eywa- wrote:On August 21 2019 03:42 CopCake wrote:On August 21 2019 03:35 Eywa- wrote:
I definitely see the value in scum!jock pocketing these players though. You are not exactly a town read of mine but let’s play a game. In a world in which jock is mafia, who are his mates? Rayn or HF. HF making the most sense. On August 21 2019 04:00 Eywa- wrote:On August 21 2019 03:45 Fecalfeast wrote:
I'm officially not giving copcake credit for the dumbtell This is fair, but I think there are too many things going against scum!copcake I think Rayn calling him town, the dumbtell along with a few other posts make copcake more likely to flip town than scum. On August 21 2019 00:25 Eywa- wrote:
vote: Rayn Can't even keep a story straight. Glad to be on your team Rayn. Call this tinfoil or whatever but this is definitely the kind of post HF would make against his partner
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On August 21 2019 07:37 Eywa- wrote:
HF complaint that my case doesn't make sense is super scummy. I don't really do cases.
Nice block of nothing though @HF
I actually am getting lynched today.
I never once reference the word case. I simply say that your thought process doesn't add up, which it doesn't.
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I mean, all evidence says so. I was being nice when I referenced thought process because what I really meant was random collection of words.
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Feel free to lift your facade of bravado and talk about how you actually reach your conclusions though
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On August 21 2019 07:37 Eywa- wrote:
HF complaint that my case doesn't make sense is super scummy. I don't really do cases.
Nice block of nothing though @HF
I actually am getting lynched today.
On August 21 2019 07:40 Eywa- wrote:
Also, it seems like Rayn is faking emotional involvement which he tends to do as scum. Like, oh, I'm all worked up... But I don't want to step on anyone's toes.
That last part isn't included in his town game, not in the slightest.
On August 21 2019 07:43 Eywa- wrote:Show nested quote +On August 21 2019 07:43 Holyflare wrote:On August 21 2019 07:37 Eywa- wrote:
HF complaint that my case doesn't make sense is super scummy. I don't really do cases.
Nice block of nothing though @HF
I actually am getting lynched today. I never once reference the word case. I simply say that your thought process doesn't add up, which it doesn't. *Shrug* If you say so
On August 21 2019 07:47 Eywa- wrote:
I'm fine with being the sacrifice as long as we lynch within the three scummiest players in the game.
I'm not going to argue more pationatly than you, so I don't know why anyone can think I would target you if I was scum.
These are your following posts following two heavily EVIDENCE based accusations.
Post 1 is a typical straw man argument. You fabricate what my case is entirely about, diminish the points by not even talking about them and then posit an additional argument that I am mafia because of it.
Post 2 is referencing Rayn's big post which argues that you have made some irreconcilable logical error and, again, you go for Rayn's character as a read rather than correcting him or making any attempt at clearing up a very simple situation to clear up if you were town. Ad hom.
Post 3 is when correcting your straw man you shrug it off because there is no logical way to argue correct logic other than do what you are doing.
Post 4 is just a really bad post.
Are you incapable of just simply refuting cases against you with a sound evidence based approach or are you just content appealing to people? What evidence will people use to follow your post 4? What have you given to convince people that myself, Rayn or Jock are mafia?
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On August 21 2019 08:42 Eywa- wrote:
Cases are scummy
On August 21 2019 07:37 Eywa- wrote:
HF complaint that my case doesn't make sense is super scummy. I don't really do cases.
Nice block of nothing though @HF
I actually am getting lynched today.
Ouch, sick baby seal.
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On August 21 2019 08:46 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On August 21 2019 07:37 Eywa- wrote:
HF complaint that my case doesn't make sense is super scummy. I don't really do cases.
Nice block of nothing though @HF
I actually am getting lynched today. Ouch, sick baby seal.
On July 30 2019 21:22 Eywa- wrote:Cases are scummy
I mean this was literally the last game you were mafia too. I think that about sums it up.
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On August 21 2019 12:06 Eywa- wrote:Look, I don't really see any point in refuting what you have to say because it's nonsense. You're like... Ripping me for voting one scum read over another scum read calling it inconsistency. The rest of your case is that my posting quality is low. I mean, it's obviously the same as any of the other games I played on this site. I don't see my posting quality here as being alignment indicative at all.
??? Not it at all. Your scum reads don't make sense and shouldn't exist because all the reasoning you've provided has been refuted and you've given nothing else to prove why you maintain those reads.
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And then you tried to say making cases was scummy (to further push your really tragically bad scum read on me) despite saying the word for word same as mafia literally last game.
Everything you say is an agenda to manipulate rather than actually solving the game.
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On August 21 2019 12:11 Eywa- wrote:Show nested quote +On August 21 2019 12:10 Holyflare wrote:On August 21 2019 12:06 Eywa- wrote:On August 21 2019 11:11 Holyflare wrote:
Good chat guys. Look, I don't really see any point in refuting what you have to say because it's nonsense. You're like... Ripping me for voting one scum read over another scum read calling it inconsistency. The rest of your case is that my posting quality is low. I mean, it's obviously the same as any of the other games I played on this site. I don't see my posting quality here as being alignment indicative at all. ??? Not it at all. Your scum reads don't make sense and shouldn't exist because all the reasoning you've provided has been refuted and you've given nothing else to prove why you maintain those reads. You claiming my reads are bad doesn't make it a fact.
Again, beside the point.
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The thing is I don't see where my point was refuted.
If you state things like x, y, z is mafia because of a, b, c but it turns out a, b, c just aren't true but you don't reevaluate and instead maintain x, y, z are scummy for that then that's not just a bad read, that is flagrant misrepresentation and an agenda to blend in with doing work. There is one alignment that does that.
Furthermore, if you think you actually had something on rayn's appeal to emotion post why did you not ever try and evaluate why he posted it?
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On August 21 2019 12:15 Eywa- wrote:Show nested quote +On August 21 2019 12:11 Holyflare wrote:
Everything you say is an agenda to manipulate rather than actually solving the game. Yes, but the two are not mutually exclusive. As town, I want people to vote for my scum reads and as scum I want people to vote for my "scum reads". Manipulation is a good way to achieve that.. And the manipulation has no connection to game solving.
I'm glad we both agree you aren't game solving.
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You have 24 hours to succinctly state:
Holyflare is mafia because: Minimum two complete sentences.
Rayn is mafia because: Minimum two sentences and an explanation on why rayn felt he had to ate.
Jock is mafia because: something coherent
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On August 21 2019 12:19 Eywa- wrote:Show nested quote +On August 21 2019 12:16 Holyflare wrote:
The thing is I don't see where my point was refuted.
If you state things like x, y, z is mafia because of a, b, c but it turns out a, b, c just aren't true but you don't reevaluate and instead maintain x, y, z are scummy for that then that's not just a bad read, that is flagrant misrepresentation and an agenda to blend in with doing work. There is one alignment that does that.
Furthermore, if you think you actually had something on rayn's appeal to emotion post why did you not ever try and evaluate why he posted it? Your reasoning is bringing you down a rabbit hole of lynching town, so... It must be good
All I can do is provide evidence and have a back and forth conversation whereby people refute the evidence and provide alternate explanations for it and provide better evidence on different people. That's 90% of what mafia is and always should be. This site has gone to shit because it never turns out that way anymore.
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