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Eywa-
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Canada4876 Posts
August 20 2019 18:44 GMT
#601
On August 21 2019 03:42 CopCake wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 21 2019 03:35 Eywa- wrote:
I definitely see the value in scum!jock pocketing these players though.


You are not exactly a town read of mine but let’s play a game.

In a world in which jock is mafia, who are his mates?

Rayn or HF. HF making the most sense.
Being mannered is almost as important as winning. Almost...
Fecalfeast
Profile Joined January 2010
Canada11355 Posts
August 20 2019 18:45 GMT
#602
I'm officially not giving copcake credit for the dumbtell
ModeratorINFLATE YOUR POST COUNT; PLAY TL MAFIA
Eywa-
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Canada4876 Posts
August 20 2019 18:45 GMT
#603
pre-flip associatives are pretty garbo though.
Being mannered is almost as important as winning. Almost...
CopCake
Profile Joined August 2015
4378 Posts
August 20 2019 18:47 GMT
#604
On August 21 2019 03:44 Eywa- wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 21 2019 03:42 CopCake wrote:
On August 21 2019 03:35 Eywa- wrote:
I definitely see the value in scum!jock pocketing these players though.


You are not exactly a town read of mine but let’s play a game.

In a world in which jock is mafia, who are his mates?

Rayn or HF. HF making the most sense.


Why HF?

Feel free to ask me things too.
Fecalfeast
Profile Joined January 2010
Canada11355 Posts
August 20 2019 18:48 GMT
#605
Copcake can I request you give a list post too?
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Eywa-
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Canada4876 Posts
August 20 2019 18:51 GMT
#606
On August 21 2019 03:47 CopCake wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 21 2019 03:44 Eywa- wrote:
On August 21 2019 03:42 CopCake wrote:
On August 21 2019 03:35 Eywa- wrote:
I definitely see the value in scum!jock pocketing these players though.


You are not exactly a town read of mine but let’s play a game.

In a world in which jock is mafia, who are his mates?

Rayn or HF. HF making the most sense.


Why HF?

Feel free to ask me things too.

If I was interested in your response, I would.
Being mannered is almost as important as winning. Almost...
Eywa-
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Canada4876 Posts
August 20 2019 19:00 GMT
#607
On August 21 2019 03:45 Fecalfeast wrote:
I'm officially not giving copcake credit for the dumbtell

This is fair, but I think there are too many things going against scum!copcake

I think Rayn calling him town, the dumbtell along with a few other posts make copcake more likely to flip town than scum.
Being mannered is almost as important as winning. Almost...
Fecalfeast
Profile Joined January 2010
Canada11355 Posts
August 20 2019 19:07 GMT
#608
I honestly agree I'm just salty my early read was probably wrong
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CopCake
Profile Joined August 2015
4378 Posts
August 20 2019 19:10 GMT
#609
I'll make my list when I get on lunch time if you want them with reads and reasons, which I suggest it should be like that because I know I will piss off people.
CopCake
Profile Joined August 2015
4378 Posts
August 20 2019 19:16 GMT
#610
On August 21 2019 03:51 Eywa- wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 21 2019 03:47 CopCake wrote:
On August 21 2019 03:44 Eywa- wrote:
On August 21 2019 03:42 CopCake wrote:
On August 21 2019 03:35 Eywa- wrote:
I definitely see the value in scum!jock pocketing these players though.


You are not exactly a town read of mine but let’s play a game.

In a world in which jock is mafia, who are his mates?

Rayn or HF. HF making the most sense.


Why HF?

Feel free to ask me things too.

If I was interested in your response, I would.


This is the most condensing comment ever, I don't know why is making me laugh.
Mutaller
Profile Blog Joined July 2013
United States1051 Posts
August 20 2019 20:48 GMT
#611
On August 21 2019 02:50 Fecalfeast wrote:
You know what I'll vote squishy fuck it jock I'll give you today since we both apparently can't read eachother.


At this time 2 hours ago. ff voted for me in the voting thread and then jock followed within minutes without an acknowledgement in the thread. I can tell by the minute by quoting.

On August 21 2019 02:50 Fecalfeast wrote:
##vote squishy


The vote for me and the post in the VAPORWAVE thread were in the same minute.

On August 21 2019 02:54 Jockmcplop wrote:
##vote squishy


Four minutes later Jock voted for me. Even though he was already calling me mafia, but for some reason has not voted me.

On August 21 2019 02:57 Jockmcplop wrote:
Good idea
I hope rayn comes back. And everyone else for that matter. Like where is everyone?


Three minutes after voting Jock replies in the thread. Why not post in the thread first then vote?

I suspect there is communication going on here. The times of voting and threads aligned, and they were not even communicating in the thread. I suspect these two are mafia.

##vote fecalfeast
"To practice isn't for you to get better now in the present. Practice will never betray you and will always come back for you in the future." -Jaedong
Fecalfeast
Profile Joined January 2010
Canada11355 Posts
August 20 2019 20:56 GMT
#612
So your scumread of me hinges on both jock and I being scum, right?

Why vote me and not him?
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Fecalfeast
Profile Joined January 2010
Canada11355 Posts
August 20 2019 20:58 GMT
#613
I also called jock out for not voting you before when he said he could lynch me and put me in his poe scumlist.

I would be very upset if my scum partner played so suspicious and associated so hard with me but that's not really evidence that it didn't happen but I'd be pretty reluctant to go for such a shitty play this early on the day with a low activity town aonce it'd be one of the worst plays to maintain 100% scum winrate
ModeratorINFLATE YOUR POST COUNT; PLAY TL MAFIA
Mutaller
Profile Blog Joined July 2013
United States1051 Posts
August 20 2019 20:59 GMT
#614
On August 21 2019 05:56 Fecalfeast wrote:
So your scumread of me hinges on both jock and I being scum, right?

Why vote me and not him?


On August 21 2019 02:56 reps)squishy wrote:
My reads so far

Jockmcplop -I’m mafia in his eyes. He makes a case for me based on coincidence.
Holyflare -Quotes himself a lot. Null in my eyes
Eywa- -post more, don’t think mafia would lurk this hard
Chezinu - I don’t fucking understand.
FecalFeast -Willing to lynch without much info. Has a lot of one liners making small statements responding to quotes. Playing professional looking, probs because mod. Punches thrown are weak. In my eyes wanting to fly under radar which is scum like.
raynpelikoneet - Has three pages saying not much. Makes a big post not saying much. I don’t like it. Also claims to have done leg work.
CopCake - Defends and talks about me too much. Basically prevents progress of discussion my focus of me. Would be less weird if she was trying to lynch me with the amount of focus she has.

I suspected you earlier. Between the two I chose you.
"To practice isn't for you to get better now in the present. Practice will never betray you and will always come back for you in the future." -Jaedong
Fecalfeast
Profile Joined January 2010
Canada11355 Posts
August 20 2019 21:01 GMT
#615
To use the OJ Simpson tactic: if I'm scum here I tunnel someone who's obviously not going to fight back too hard and try to shit up the thread with music videos and other things that are typical fecalfeast shitposting so when people DID come back to the thread they'd see a bunch of trash and be demotivated to play.

It's been a while since I rolled scum here and I think about strategy for scum a lot
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
August 20 2019 21:02 GMT
#616
So yeah i actually am not just pissed off but have reasoning on why Eywa is mafia. Let's start with these quotes from past two games. Last game, after the game (so there is no reason to lie about anything) Eywa said this:
On August 09 2019 01:24 Eywa- wrote:
I actually think Rayn reads the game pretty well, but his play style is pretty hard for me to work with, I find it very anti-town at times when it involves getting into arguments.

I think killing him before getting his reads developed is a net loss for town though. I think he's almost always a good day 2 kill for reasons stated above though.

Now i don't know what the last sentence says, i guess it is trying to say kill me N2 as mafia (as Eywa was mafia), otherwise the whole paragraph doesn't even make any sense.

This is from the game before, Eywa was town in that game so once again there is no reason for him to lie about what he says here. The bolded parts are important (read the whole chain of quotes):
On July 10 2019 03:00 Eywa- wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 10 2019 02:58 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On July 10 2019 02:56 Eywa- wrote:
On July 10 2019 02:48 raynpelikoneet wrote:
idk we can continue with mafia theory after the game.

I agree Trfel has been making bad posts. I think Jock's posts have more mafia motivation behind them though. Maybe it's a difference on how we see the game, maybe you are right maybe i am. I think i am. May i ask you though why did you scumread me last game since you were clearly wrong and i literally made one case that was good and on mafia?

I scum read you every game, it's pretty much my default since I haven't figured out how to get a read on you... I find it very difficult to come to mutual ground with you on pretty much everything.

We townread each other in the stupid multi-faction game. Although that should not really be used as an example because i didn't really care shit about town in that game when i figured out i can make a deal with mafia and win N1. I don't think you have seen me playing as scum though?

No, I haven't. But, yeah... Moral of the story I don't know how to read you yet.




Now to this game, here are Eywa's first two posts:
On August 19 2019 23:18 Eywa- wrote:
Alright, well I read up (mostly) and I have a very obvious conclusion... Eywa is town.


I have a few other thoughts... I'm town on copcake and FeFe at the moment too... Maybe vivax as well, but undecided as of yet.

I have some scum reads, but I need to filter a bit more to confirm.

On August 19 2019 23:19 Eywa- wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 19 2019 21:43 Vivax wrote:
But rayn is still mafia, unless he is town on sedatives.

I actually agree with this 100%.

First thing to note here is that in the first post Eywa doesn't post scumreads but instead says he needs to read filters to confirm. Second post says he 100% agrees with Vivax that i am mafia (i don't accept answer "or on sedatives" because after that he starts gunning on me but more on that later). The problem here is that either Eywa read my filter in one minute since that's the difference in times between those posts or that read is bs because if he already had a scumread on me i can't see any reason why the scumread on me isn't in the first post, who cares about town reads when you have a clear scumread? Another thing here (especially regarding the quotes from past games) is that (1) based on how he views my play regarding past games he should NOT have a scumread on me (especially based on the reasoning later on) and (2) in this game, based on what he has posted in his first post and later on we actually agree with pretty much on everything!!!! I also have FF and Cake as town, I also have Vivax town (those are his town reads), i also at least had HF as mafia at this point (which is Eywa's next scumread), so why am i scum again?? Because Eywa -- as per his words -- "tends to scumread me in every game because he finds it very difficult to come to mutual ground with you on pretty much everything"?

Then let's go onto his reasoning of why i am mafia:
On August 20 2019 07:50 Eywa- wrote:
Rayn condemning my playstyle here while acknowledging a good performance in my last town game before this one is really suspect.

I hate his playstyle except for the last game where he actually provided very good reasoning on my mafia partner and also on other people, something that is definitely not happening here. There is nothing scummy in calling his play here on this game bad because it is bad for a townie.
On August 20 2019 07:52 Eywa- wrote:
Also, that much AtE is really bad from town!Rayn and he should know better.

I don't care if it's bad or not but almost every game i get pissed at something and thats what happens. That's not an AtE post even, that's a fuck you post. There is nothing scummy in that.
On August 20 2019 07:53 Eywa- wrote:
So... All signs point to scum!rayn

And that's his scumread. See here is another thing that is funny. None of the things he called me mafia for happened before he called me mafia.

Here is his scumread on Holyflare:
HF shooting through PoE right now seems to go against his typical playstyle.

I don't even know what this means or how this makes HF or anyone mafia in any situation without further explanation, which obviously never comes. Another funny fact just for shits and giggles:
On August 20 2019 08:30 Eywa- wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 20 2019 08:21 Holyflare wrote:
On August 20 2019 07:05 CopCake wrote:
On August 20 2019 05:38 Holyflare wrote:
On August 20 2019 05:37 CopCake wrote:
On August 20 2019 05:29 Holyflare wrote:
On August 20 2019 05:10 CopCake wrote:
I don't know what you mean with “leg work” but Rayn explained to Vivax why I am town in his mindset and told me that Vivax is town directly to me.



Leg work means he put in real effort to determine his scum read on people. He is saying that my read on him is bull shit because he put in so much effort that I should read him as an alignment because he spent so much time figuring out both Vivax and yourself.

Do those posts look like he put in that effort? It just says Vivax doesn't play as mafia and Copcake is town and nothing more. Does that look like so much effort that we should town read him for it like he says?


He put A LOT of effort in the me vs FF trying to explaun why I am town.

Like literally a lot.


I don't think less than a handful of posts is a lot of effort but that's just me. I also see a way you could be mafia from the situation he says you must be town in so that's why I don't particularly read rayn one way or another.



Mistake, read the bolded part as if you were changing your opinion.

And now let me ask: who would you lynch rn? From your list.



Eywa.

Omgus

Na-ah bro, by your (wrong) definition of omgus you're the one omgusing because HF called you mafia first so this omgus thing makes you mafia now right?


Here is his scumread on Jock:
On August 20 2019 08:32 Eywa- wrote:
I wouldn't be surprised if mafia were 2 of HF, Rayn and Jockmcplop.

The first two being prioritized there.

On August 21 2019 03:34 Eywa- wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 21 2019 00:37 Jockmcplop wrote:
FF, Chez, Eywa and squishy are those I would lynch
Preferably squishy because he's mafia.

I'm not liking this from Jockmcplop, after day 1 pocket attempt. I think this is an attempt to quickly adapt to the lines that were drawn by other players (mainly me going against Rayn).

Pocketing move:
Show nested quote +
On August 19 2019 01:18 Jockmcplop wrote:
The problem with that list for me is that they are all afk and at least Eywa-, rayn and FF are going to be very useful later on if they are town.


I don't really see the value in town!jock throwing this out if he's just going to default scum reads to these players when they start being active day 2...

I mean, Rayn stayed inactive and he's not scum reading Rayn, so it seems to go against what he's trying to accomplish here with his "townie move".

So i don't really care what Eywa is actually trying to say Jock's scum motive is because i don't really understand the post in total but here's what i understand. The first post Eywa quoted from Jock is the post that triggers the scumread, without the first quoted post the second one (Jock made D1) isn't scummy because Eywa says "if he's just going to default [to something later on]". Sooo...

Sooo... The problem here once again is that Eywa scumreads Jock before Jock has made the post he scumreads Jock for.



TLDR;

- Once again this picture fits. 2 out of 3 of Eywa's scumreads are based on stuff that happens AFTER they are his scumreads. Basically he is picking a target and then starts "finding reasons for why they are mafia". And that is a fucking mafia thing to do.
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- Reasoning on me doesn't even make sense based on what he has said before and what has happened in this game reads wise, neither does one on Holyflare. Not gonna defend Jock for Jock because i don't really care to figure out why some weird pocketing theory and other shit would be the most possible answer.

So that's pretty much my 2c for today, i see again a lot of arguing between my townreads and last day phse i tried to engage and get the people who i think are town together but apparently that's same as doing nothing so you guys do whatever you do and i can go actually do nothing (or something else at least).

##vote Eywa-

Good night.
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Fecalfeast
Profile Joined January 2010
Canada11355 Posts
August 20 2019 21:04 GMT
#617
On August 21 2019 05:59 reps)squishy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 21 2019 05:56 Fecalfeast wrote:
So your scumread of me hinges on both jock and I being scum, right?

Why vote me and not him?


On August 21 2019 02:56 reps)squishy wrote:
My reads so far

Jockmcplop -I’m mafia in his eyes. He makes a case for me based on coincidence.
Holyflare -Quotes himself a lot. Null in my eyes
Eywa- -post more, don’t think mafia would lurk this hard
Chezinu - I don’t fucking understand.
FecalFeast -Willing to lynch without much info. Has a lot of one liners making small statements responding to quotes. Playing professional looking, probs because mod. Punches thrown are weak. In my eyes wanting to fly under radar which is scum like.
raynpelikoneet - Has three pages saying not much. Makes a big post not saying much. I don’t like it. Also claims to have done leg work.
CopCake - Defends and talks about me too much. Basically prevents progress of discussion my focus of me. Would be less weird if she was trying to lynch me with the amount of focus she has.

I suspected you earlier. Between the two I chose you.


You suspected me early because of shitty one liners and not much information. You compliment your vote on me with something that is only scummy if your fantasy scenario of us coordinating a quick vote during the first 24hr of the day while the thread is dead.

Jock has more content to parse and is a part of your vote on me, yet you vote me who, as you admitted once again, has less info to go on but you won't talk to e ask my thoughts or do anything else to suss out my alignment.

My vote is in a good place
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Fecalfeast
Profile Joined January 2010
Canada11355 Posts
August 20 2019 21:05 GMT
#618
Rayn is back yay I'll read your thing after work but can you reality check me here i feel like squishy is just openly scummy
ModeratorINFLATE YOUR POST COUNT; PLAY TL MAFIA
Fecalfeast
Profile Joined January 2010
Canada11355 Posts
August 20 2019 21:36 GMT
#619
Might sheep that rayn post tbh
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Eversince
Profile Joined October 2015
Philippines2301 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-08-20 21:42:14
August 20 2019 21:37 GMT
#620
Day Two Vote Count

reps)squishy (2): FecalFeast, jockmcplop
raynpelikoneet (1): Eywa
FecalFeast (1): reps)squishy
Eywa (1): raynpelikoneet
jockmcplop (0): FecalFeast

Not Voting (3): Holyflare, Chezinu, Copcake

reps)squishy is currently set to be lynched.

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