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I think MZ is scum because:
Previously he started sowing accusation across different posts D2/N2. Following this he wrote a very misinterpreted case on may on day 3. His collection of out of context quotes and intentional misinterpretation was neither convincid, nor factual. Many of his accusatory points had reasonable explanaitions, already provided prior to his case.
I explained to him what he got wrong, and even offered him an easy out of this misread (A post about cognitive bias and one of his first posts in the game about coagulation who I replaced). Instead he doubled down and kept throwing mud at me in bypassing comments on other conversations all the way through N3.
I can only take this to mean, he is scum trying to set-up an "easy" mislynch in lylo on the newbie player for days in advance.
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On August 02 2019 21:24 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:Show nested quote +On August 02 2019 18:38 Branch.AUT wrote:
I think MZ is scum because:
Previously he started sowing accusation across different posts D2/N2. Following this he wrote a very misinterpreted case on may on day 3. His collection of out of context quotes and intentional misinterpretation was neither convincid, nor factual. Many of his accusatory points had reasonable explanaitions, already provided prior to his case.
I explained to him what he got wrong, and even offered him an easy out of this misread (A post about cognitive bias and one of his first posts in the game about coagulation who I replaced). Instead he doubled down and kept throwing mud at me in bypassing comments on other conversations all the way through N3.
I can only take this to mean, he is scum trying to set-up an "easy" mislynch in lylo on the newbie player for days in advance. You and eywa have a funny way of viewing things you don't understand as scummy. Which I suppose you don't understand things because you are scum. Question for Eversince, Pandain, and Hydra. If I am scum and I come into the thread yesterday and see that ES is about to be lynched, why do I try and switch the votes onto Branch? Why even say anything? Branch has unfortunately got jock wrapped around his finger so Eversince and Pandain it's going to be up to you guys. Branch is 100% the right vote here. Normally I'd be fine with just letting the flip prove me right but unfortunately that strategy doesn't work at lylo.
Your myslynch attempt on the new player is as transparent as it is doomed to fail.
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BravO! What an entrance.
Pandain + Eversince, I have to applaud you
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Picking up the newbie mislynch, just after this tearful MZ theater
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Havent seen you play yet!
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I have never lied in this entire game. This IS my first game of forum mafia. I know people from READING games on this website, where I have been a member for 9 years.
I have no clue how you think I gave a meta read on anyone, cause I've repeatedly said, that meta reads are faulty by definition. I mentioned some phrases, that HF is fond of saying in obs qt. Anybody can get those links by PMing hosts.
I am town. Guaranteed.
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I told you that HF posted this in postgame, and OBSqt. I read it and remembered. How is mentioning it here lying?
Ive read a couple of games on this site, games with chezinu among them. I also played mafia on sc2 client. WIth chezinu and others. Note how SC2 client is not a forum, and game there are not recorded.
No matter hwo hard YOU try to twist my words into lies. Theyre not. Just facts, and deliberate wording.
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One down. Well played Jock!
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On August 03 2019 05:00 Eversince wrote:
I was saying it meant 'I've never meta read anyone' is wrong. Because you obviously did. Where you 'developed' that meta doesn't matter to me so much.. It's something you are saying you never did when you clearly did.
And saying you did the same thing with Chezinu after someone ask 'You've never played with Chez before right?' you answer 'I have' Implies that 'you have' (PLAYED with Chezinu before.
I'm not misconstruing your words. These are statements that you literally made.
Saying HF likes to kill people talking as mafia is not a read. It's a statement of fact. A fact, that HF himself stated in a public manner. Multiple times.
And as I just told you, and also said earlier, I have played mafia with chezinu before. If you would be so kind now, as to point me towards where I lied. If not, drop your bogus scumread of me. Accept that I am town, we might still win this.
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Pandain did atcvertain points, I think it was N3 and N2, cosy up really good with MZ.
He eagerly jumped onto throw shade at Branch train.
Pandain would be my first choice for next lynch, but as always, I am open to discussions.
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I will go through everything tomorrow and look at the game with fresh eyes. Right now, pandain is my top choice to lynch
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Wow bugs uncorking at someone else for a change.
Thanks for making me actually laugh at the assessment of my play. Out loud. In a tube full of people.
I've only quuck read the exchange between ES and bugs at this point, but ES does not come off well here. The completely too late read switch on me makes me cringe.
What I agree on at the moment is the assessment that mz, pandain and es been mainly trying to push branch mislynch. Lynching both of them is good in my opinion for this reason.
Ill be back in a few hours
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I agree that a scum strategy of 2 active seeking a mislynch, and a third unconnected person as a failsafe makes sense. I had also considered this possibility, but was hesitant to devote too much time in case the game ended yesterday.
Im going to read through eywa/pandain/eversince with thisnin mind over the next few hours.
One more thing bugs/jock, since you have the modt town cred, and probably will die now. Ease name a successor, ro lead the lynch. One united vote is still necessary, and I think this would help our case
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Read MZs filter.
His attention is spread around on day one. As the game continues he mostly focuses on me, but gives soft townread to Eywa. This he completely drops and never mentions again, because all his posts are focused on pushing me / berating Koshi. Only when it becomes apparent his push is failing, he mentions Eywa as scumread and scummy. This was after Eywa leads a vote on MZ. To me this indicates the possibility of an Eywa scum longcon, bussing MZ to establish towncred.
Eversince seems to be only person alive, never to be called scum by MZ.
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On August 03 2019 22:58 Eversince wrote:@ Branch that wasn't a read change. I still think you don't look great. But it's lylo so I can't afford to be wrong. Re-evaluating to check myself is a good idea in my mind  .. I'm dead though so I'm sleep soon.
What makes me scumread you the very most, is that, same as MZ did, you go out of your way, to misunderstand und reframe statements to fit your narrative.
This happened when we talked earlier, and also with bugs the following hours.
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Coming out of pandains filter.
He tunnels koshi hard, and berates eywa for bad play. Everything else in his filter is idle conversations.
I have a hard time making my mind up. During reading it felt so town, but his complete change after his switch to kosh town, and subsequent only posting conversationsnis a huge questionmark.
Afk for a couplenhours noe
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Read through Eywa filter now.Vehemently struggling to not regurgitate my lunch.
The only time substantial posts are to be found, is leading up to the MZ lynch. Eywa scumread MZ all game, but only yesterday when ES was going to get lynched, decided to do something about it and pushed MZ. Other significant people mentioned are Branch (who I know to be town) and Pandain.
Directed at pandain eywa critizes pandains inactivity and unwillingness to hunt scum. As far as a read goes here I am unsure, leaning town. The possibility of a bussing exists, but that would mean that ES is also scum (making the Team Eywa, ES, MZ) because why bus MZ if ES is town?
Eywa, what do you think my alignment is this game?
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I would like to hear some thoughts from koshi.
Koshi are you here?
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