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On July 24 2019 23:58 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On July 24 2019 02:38 NoSmurfHere wrote: Immediate gut reactions:
Don't like koshi's first post. No redeeming features of that one.
Don't like the way hf misunderstands the day post and then uses his own misunderstanding as evidence that he is town. Although rayn is right that it would be convoluted for mafia hf to do that, I wouldn't put convoluted out of hf's range.
Vivax - nothingburger
Coagulation - Scumclaims suck dude.
FF - dunno
Eywa - Very quick to scumread rayn but I wouldn't say that's impossible for town eywa.
rayn - waiting to see on this one.
Leaving now, won't be back until later tonight. Might have a chance to post something more fleshed out then.
Despite what I said about rayn wanting to lynch us, I think in a game this size lynching a lurker would be a good move.
J You type it like scumreading rayn is a scummy thing to do while not townreading him. Scummy. Huh, I actually didn’t notice that before.
You make me very comfortable with my vote but I think we should hear Eywa- out. Maybe a fresh look at scum!rayn can flesh him out easier than old blood eyes (or even the blindness of CHUPAZI)
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And yes, I am scummy as hell but screw it I am low value too often in lylo town. Expendable.
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On July 25 2019 00:23 Koshi wrote: Yeah rayn is a good vote. So many pages, a lot of meh to scum stuff, unwarranted rage, anti town.
People townread the person pushing the lynch, but vote for the scumread of that persons scumread. Ewya is town, ewya says rayn is scum. People say eywa is town, vote for the scumread of rayn. 😁 Because eywa has valid reasons to SR Rayn but she happens to be misinterpreting a lot of him, and Rayn has good points on smurfishness.
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On July 25 2019 00:26 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On July 25 2019 00:21 Tubesock wrote:Meap On July 24 2019 02:38 NoSmurfHere wrote: Immediate gut reactions:
Don't like koshi's first post. No redeeming features of that one.
Don't like the way hf misunderstands the day post and then uses his own misunderstanding as evidence that he is town. Although rayn is right that it would be convoluted for mafia hf to do that, I wouldn't put convoluted out of hf's range.
Vivax - nothingburger
Coagulation - Scumclaims suck dude.
FF - dunno
Eywa - Very quick to scumread rayn but I wouldn't say that's impossible for town eywa.
rayn - waiting to see on this one.
Leaving now, won't be back until later tonight. Might have a chance to post something more fleshed out then.
Despite what I said about rayn wanting to lynch us, I think in a game this size lynching a lurker would be a good move.
J This was 21 hours ago. So, basically first half of the cycle. This is after he said no reads posts until deliberating with Bugs. This entire post is fluff. Did anyone like Koshi's first post? I doubt anyone say any redeeming value in it either. You can say that about almost everyone in the game for most games. So that's a nothingburger. He didn't like how HF tried to dumbclaim his way to town, but then eosn't arrive anywhere with it. It's convoluted for mafia but in HF's mafia range. Ok, that's a nothingburger statement too. Vivax - nothingburger, well he said it best. Saying V is a nothingburger leaves the rest of us with nothing. It would have at least said something if Jock then said Vivax being a nothingburger is most likely mafia. That would be substantial, and useful for town. Coag - of course scumclaims suck. He got heat for it immediately too. So this is a useless comment from town. FF - dunno. More nothingburger. Why not have a line about Chezinu and Alakaslam? They both are most likely similiar as in complete tossups. Why include FF? Feels like it's easier to later throw shade on FF than succomb to the law of Brown or Chupazi. Eywa - quickly scumreading someone isn't scummy. But apparently it is for Jock, so why isn't HF scumread too? rayn - he just finished a shitfight and has no read??? From the tone I would think he would scumread him. That isn't neccessarily scummy, but yet another player listed with zero information for town. This entire post is fluffy fluff. What is the purpose of it? To give town his reactions? How did any of them help town? So many words to say nothing. By your own definition you are mafia. Go vote yourself. Instead of: "This post from the hydra has no value" You make a word wall. Go vote for yourself. It isn’t fluff. He is making the point that Smurfishness is more mafia for it
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On July 25 2019 00:30 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On July 25 2019 00:04 Eywa- wrote:On July 24 2019 23:56 Alakaslam wrote:On July 24 2019 23:44 Eywa- wrote: I mean, I can be in error... But in this case I'm not.
I don't do reactions pre-flip. I’m not expecting a pre-flip reaction. There is a difference between arrogance (can’t begin to understand) confidence (can try to understand) and unteachable (can totally understand but can’t work with) So are you open to talking Rayn? I think he is just foreign (and then drunk) and strongly hold he is town. Why am I wrong? Do you need more from me to know how I am wrong? I like Rayn’s train of thought, and was on board with it and don’t see it as scum indicative. Thanks either way I agree with all of your points and none of those make him scum. I think Rayn started the game very opportunistically, then transitioned to a lot more of a defensive game. Yes, some of that is reaction to pressure being applied to him, but this is his scum game, I'm very confident. Also, if I'm drinking as town, I'm more likely to rant (incoherently) about people not voting for my target than I am to just come in to say "fuck you" repeatedly in as many posts as possible. Best case I have seen. Shows that eywa thought about the difference between town mindset and mafia mindset. Either proof him wrong. Or explain how this is rayn meta. Or just stfu lol. And when you cant. Dont vote for the persons agreeing with ewya you dumbfucks. Koshi you should know better. You’ve played with Rayn enough to use your meta.
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On July 25 2019 01:54 NoSmurfHere wrote: Man I can’t believe I’m actually saying this but Koshi has been making a lot of sense in the past page or so.
The best two choices we have for lynch today are rayn and MZ. Personally I’m not accepting any others, as I honestly don’t have much reason to suspect anyone else yet and I don’t really have that many town reads either. I prefer killing rayn over MZ:
I find MZ scummy but I waffle on him because last game he did similar things, where he didn’t provide many reads or vote at all until very late, and was wishy washy throughout. Also, he seems to defend me & jock based on believing the reasoning for voting us is bad and partly rayn drunk posting but then tries to get tube to explain why we’re scum. If MZ is actually town and legitimately believes we’re town then I could see him potentially trying to just shore up his read here but it comes off as extremely passive & non-committal.
Jock I think felt more confident on MZ being scum than I did but now is backtracking (?) a bit. I’ll let him comment with his own thoughts if he wants to.
I’m off to bed and won’t be back for another 9-12 hours or so.
-wherebugsgo Of course he does lol
Anyway. So do we, I believe. People are having paradigm clashes when they aren’t necessary.
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On July 25 2019 02:02 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:Show nested quote +On July 25 2019 01:54 NoSmurfHere wrote: Man I can’t believe I’m actually saying this but Koshi has been making a lot of sense in the past page or so.
The best two choices we have for lynch today are rayn and MZ. Personally I’m not accepting any others, as I honestly don’t have much reason to suspect anyone else yet and I don’t really have that many town reads either. I prefer killing rayn over MZ:
I find MZ scummy but I waffle on him because last game he did similar things, where he didn’t provide many reads or vote at all until very late, and was wishy washy throughout. Also, he seems to defend me & jock based on believing the reasoning for voting us is bad and partly rayn drunk posting but then tries to get tube to explain why we’re scum. If MZ is actually town and legitimately believes we’re town then I could see him potentially trying to just shore up his read here but it comes off as extremely passive & non-committal.
Jock I think felt more confident on MZ being scum than I did but now is backtracking (?) a bit. I’ll let him comment with his own thoughts if he wants to.
I’m off to bed and won’t be back for another 9-12 hours or so.
-wherebugsgo Tube has been reading the game well so far and he had you as scum early so I wanted to see if he could back things up a little more. I see where he's coming from but I still think he's wrong. Also I've been an early and often lynch choice in every game I've been in since I started playing again six months ago -_- apparently my town skills took a dive during my 3ish year hiatus. Nah it’s just your maturity.
Eventually you have to embrace the battened down basements of young minds and run to the tornado that is CHUPAZI
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From the look of things we lose Rayn.
Not good. He is a strong player.
Rayn when you return please just make cases in last bit don’t waste too much time on defense. There comes a point where people won’t change their minds, period.
Anyway, so people can make associations later:
My reason for believing Rayn to be town are mostly on meta. The case against him is basically that he is anti town because he is able to get angry. And not understand sarcasm. Basically.
Bad case. My reasons for scumreading the smurf is trying to shut me down, and a few other things but those are wifom. Not enough to vote on.
I vote him to save Rayn.
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On July 25 2019 02:53 Eywa- wrote:Show nested quote +On July 25 2019 02:49 Alakaslam wrote: From the look of things we lose Rayn.
Not good. He is a strong player.
Rayn when you return please just make cases in last bit don’t waste too much time on defense. There comes a point where people won’t change their minds, period.
Anyway, so people can make associations later:
My reason for believing Rayn to be town are mostly on meta. The case against him is basically that he is anti town because he is able to get angry. And not understand sarcasm. Basically.
Bad case. My reasons for scumreading the smurf is trying to shut me down, and a few other things but those are wifom. Not enough to vote on.
I vote him to save Rayn. Weren't you already voting there? Yup.
Giving insight to my thought process, being transparent.
Is there an issue with that?
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On July 25 2019 03:56 NoSmurfHere wrote: We're voting rayn. No choice. Even if there was we'd vote for him. Bugs, koshi and eywa have all done a good job explaining why.
-J
Koshi said shit all for real reasons.
Don’t feed me this “being mad is anti-town” bullshit, it’s NAI.
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On July 25 2019 05:56 Koshi wrote: Slam is town. Good post on rayn before flip. Dont see mafiz do that even if they follow the way of the svengali.
Removing anti town rayn for a slam town read. Good trade. -_-
Well ok
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On July 25 2019 05:57 Koshi wrote: I also like Pandain for town. He makes good posts and bad posts. But I can see the bad ones coming from town trying to solve the game. I do agree on this.
Dammit koshi we agree on 90% it was the fucking 10% lol
What a 10%
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Still no one suspects me when I have perfect information, but I have the towncred of a weasel.
Koshi you hear my logic, do you not brother?
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On July 25 2019 07:34 Eywa- wrote:Show nested quote +On July 25 2019 07:17 Fecalfeast wrote:On July 25 2019 07:04 Eywa- wrote: What the fuck is sexy single mason? Read the op What the fuck is with you claiming to be some golden mafia god with a 90% winrate because you lynch scum d1? I never claimed that, I claimed that's what it's like on my home site. Rayn played terribly though. What was that? No claim? There it is. Holy shit prophet of CHUPAZI the great Alakaslam called it again
OK good luck without me Eywa-
Anyway, to the rest of the town, next time we need to be semi critical thinkers and use all of the tools at our disposal. There was no case here. You folks went along with something pretty foolish.
Not everyone of course.
Not happy to see the brown inactive
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On July 24 2019 23:22 Eywa- wrote:Show nested quote +On July 24 2019 23:21 Alakaslam wrote: Eywa-
Will you call someone bad for being town if you Lynch them? What?
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On July 25 2019 08:06 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On July 25 2019 07:41 Alakaslam wrote:On July 25 2019 07:34 Eywa- wrote:On July 25 2019 07:17 Fecalfeast wrote:On July 25 2019 07:04 Eywa- wrote: What the fuck is sexy single mason? Read the op What the fuck is with you claiming to be some golden mafia god with a 90% winrate because you lynch scum d1? I never claimed that, I claimed that's what it's like on my home site. Rayn played terribly though. What was that? No claim? There it is. Holy shit prophet of CHUPAZI the great Alakaslam called it again OK good luck without me Eywa- Anyway, to the rest of the town, next time we need to be semi critical thinkers and use all of the tools at our disposal. There was no case here. You folks went along with something pretty foolish. Not everyone of course. Not happy to see the brown inactive  You're mafia for these posts. There was absolutely a rayn cass that multiple people talked about. Go for it, town fool
Do it
I won’t even resist
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On July 25 2019 08:06 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On July 25 2019 07:41 Alakaslam wrote:On July 25 2019 07:34 Eywa- wrote:On July 25 2019 07:17 Fecalfeast wrote:On July 25 2019 07:04 Eywa- wrote: What the fuck is sexy single mason? Read the op What the fuck is with you claiming to be some golden mafia god with a 90% winrate because you lynch scum d1? I never claimed that, I claimed that's what it's like on my home site. Rayn played terribly though. What was that? No claim? There it is. Holy shit prophet of CHUPAZI the great Alakaslam called it again OK good luck without me Eywa- Anyway, to the rest of the town, next time we need to be semi critical thinkers and use all of the tools at our disposal. There was no case here. You folks went along with something pretty foolish. Not everyone of course. Not happy to see the brown inactive  You're mafia for these posts. There was absolutely a rayn cass that multiple people talked about. Learned nothing from Rayn flip
Main reason it frustrates is you don’t suck at the game
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On July 25 2019 08:15 Eywa- wrote:Show nested quote +On July 25 2019 08:11 NoSmurfHere wrote:On July 25 2019 08:05 Eywa- wrote:On July 25 2019 07:55 NoSmurfHere wrote: Posted too early, it’s me
-wherebugsgo Legitimately laughed out loud. Then I realized this wasn't a claim. Where do you stand now that rayn flipped town? In particular how do you read slam, MZ, and Pandain? -wherebugsgo I think Alakaslam and FecalFeast Holier than thou attitude is pretty bad, I could see one or both being scum. Still scum on MZ FecalFeast having a strong read and not pushing it could be a scum team. Yeah who is holier than though?
Stop being a hypocrite at the very least, it’s how you pissed off Rayn it will piss me off too.
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On July 25 2019 08:25 NoSmurfHere wrote:Show nested quote +On July 25 2019 08:15 Eywa- wrote:On July 25 2019 08:11 NoSmurfHere wrote:On July 25 2019 08:05 Eywa- wrote:On July 25 2019 07:55 NoSmurfHere wrote: Posted too early, it’s me
-wherebugsgo Legitimately laughed out loud. Then I realized this wasn't a claim. Where do you stand now that rayn flipped town? In particular how do you read slam, MZ, and Pandain? -wherebugsgo I think Alakaslam and FecalFeast Holier than thou attitude is pretty bad, I could see one or both being scum. Still scum on MZ FecalFeast having a strong read and not pushing it could be a scum team. What about Coagulation? I really personally don’t think MZ is scum here. Here’s where I stand: 1. Coagulation is scum or at the very least an anti-town prick for essentially shitting on everyone and then voting MZ without ever rationalizing it. He didn’t bother to convince anyone why MZ is scum or even why his vote ended up there. In fact I only know his vote ended up on MZ because I read the final vote count. Completely unremarkable play otherwise on day 1. Would kill with fire. 2. Slam looks really bad for preemptively reacting to rayn likely flipping town with reasons that seem ass-pulled. The only difficult thing I have to reconcile is that he is posting a lot, no idea what his mafia play is actually like. OTOH 25 (??) posts in a row has to be intentional and I am completely fine on principle to kill him over that alone. (call me scum for this I dare you, anyone) 3. FF looks okay to me because some of his engagements with other players (like MZ) looked legit, but I have no particularly strong read on him. Bit of a waffle, but gut reaction on flip was to push him scummier. Honestly can’t answer why I thought that. I’m hoping Pandain can come in and actually contribute/make it clear for us what his alignment is because if he rolled scum then we have to deal with that as well. Actually I’ve done it with you before WBG but I totally get it as that was in 2013 or so. This is no lie.
That being said WBG you might actually want to pay attention to the fact that I can’t use a PC for mafia 90% of the time.
When I catch up, I react on real time. I can tell you need to be told this because you didn’t read the posts simply because they were consecutive.
Might want to try doing that.
Or we could lunch you but I think I have to go first.
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